How To Build A Ford C4 3-Speed Automatic Transmission

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  • Опубликовано: 10 авг 2019
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  • @DEBOSSGARAGE
    @DEBOSSGARAGE  5 лет назад +223

    What do you get with a blown trans, a cigar, and some ATF? Another deep-dive into Smokin’ Joe’s wizarding world of magic!
    If you enjoy these longer videos, hit the Like button and let us know! The more feedback we get from you guys, the more RUclips promotes our videos and ultimately that’s how we decide what to do more of on the channel.

    • @jayrowberry1530
      @jayrowberry1530 5 лет назад +12

      I absolutely love this type of video. Transmissions have always been so mysterious to me.

    • @jenniferendreson211
      @jenniferendreson211 5 лет назад +2

      Furd sucks.. Enough with all this Furd BS

    • @makeitbreakit7556
      @makeitbreakit7556 5 лет назад +4

      I’m curious to know how many times Joe messed up on his first transmission he ever built. I personally built a th350 4 times before I got it perfect. He obviously has tons of experience and is amazing to watch.

    • @Firebird400
      @Firebird400 5 лет назад +5

      Great video. I don’t own a c4 but still good information.

    • @mark98070
      @mark98070 5 лет назад +9

      I can appreciate watching a guy with expertise tear into anything mechanical.
      Engines, transmissions, etc. Joe makes it look easy, you can tell he's been doing it for a long time and knows what he's doing. Thanks Joe!

  • @FappinSteve
    @FappinSteve 5 лет назад +231

    This guy is so damn smart. Respect hard workers like him.

    • @conniethunder
      @conniethunder 5 лет назад

      Everyone is smart.
      What you don't know, is what makes you inferior.

    • @TheOmegaFleet
      @TheOmegaFleet 5 лет назад

      Damn legend he is

    • @lawrencemccowan
      @lawrencemccowan 5 лет назад +1

      @@conniethunder knowledge of non knowledge is power - Deaner

    • @98976h
      @98976h 4 года назад

      @@conniethunder he is good but what about the one who made that transmission

    • @Blackford86
      @Blackford86 4 года назад

      Ya he’s good but I see so many rubber O rings might have been nicked.

  • @DriveCarToBar
    @DriveCarToBar 5 лет назад +127

    This is one thing RUclips does so well. Everyone who watched just got to spend an hour watching over the shoulder of a master. That isn't something they used to just give away for free.

  • @MikeReiner
    @MikeReiner 5 лет назад +145

    Between the cigar, the gravely voice and the deep transmission wisdom.. this guy is the right man for the job.

    • @grasa5041
      @grasa5041 3 года назад +2

      Oily cigar you mean

    • @dboboc
      @dboboc 3 года назад

      Wrong.

  • @that_jk_guy
    @that_jk_guy 4 года назад +39

    After watching this video 4 times I rebuilt my c4 in my mustang and I've never been inside an auto trans before lol

    • @DEBOSSGARAGE
      @DEBOSSGARAGE  4 года назад +8

      Awesome. Love to hear that all the effort into making the video is worth it

    • @gorybonghit3211
      @gorybonghit3211 4 года назад +4

      @@DEBOSSGARAGE I actually can't believe the level of quality of this video. Very impressive.

  • @robwigglezz944
    @robwigglezz944 5 лет назад +51

    Joe is the man. Thanks for taking time out of your day to record this goldmine of information.

  • @2ToneWalt
    @2ToneWalt 5 лет назад +111

    How many quarts of ATF d'ya think Joes smoked in his career?

    • @mattshearer89
      @mattshearer89 5 лет назад +11

      Or how much ash has entered transmission.
      Rumour has it ash makes them shift better than the atf itself 👌

    • @hanskinslo326
      @hanskinslo326 5 лет назад +2

      ATF generally doesn't burn, but yeah, that cigar is soaked.

    • @bcouri1
      @bcouri1 5 лет назад +13

      @@hanskinslo326 atf actually burns really well

    • @Highstranger951
      @Highstranger951 5 лет назад +6

      Han Skinslo atf burns great dude.

    • @erikj.2066
      @erikj.2066 4 года назад +2

      Transmission shop fires are some of most brutal you'll see. I'd say ATF burns pretty damn good.

  • @ald5267
    @ald5267 5 лет назад +35

    At the risk of sounding something approaching sentimental or unstoic: I've had a hell of a past month (/life?). Watching Joe's mechanical mastery in this video has been a welcome respite.
    I tip my hat to you, Sirs. Joe, "Stiffy," Aaron, Rich, Hoogie, and everyone who made this and all the other great content on this channel possible: Thank you!

    • @BatMan-co1gy
      @BatMan-co1gy 3 года назад

      The risk was sounding like a penis "unstoic, respite" nice vocab, but you sound cross between Sigmund Freud and the Monopoly man.
      but the video was pretty good.

  • @kevcerini
    @kevcerini 2 года назад +10

    This video is by far the "how to" when it comes to rebuilding a C4. I just rebuilt my first transmission thanks to you guys! Ill bet 1k of these views are just me watching it over and over again, but my goodness, this is gold! Thank you so much stiffy!

  • @ButtKickersReviews
    @ButtKickersReviews 5 лет назад +19

    Joes cigars soaked in ATF crack me up every time ! 🤣

  • @markmichlewicz5141
    @markmichlewicz5141 5 лет назад +12

    He needs his own you tube channel . ive been a trans man at a ford dealer for 20 years and i love watching him work.most of what i do is warranty so i have never done a c4.nice to have seen it done.

  • @ddgatewood71
    @ddgatewood71 5 лет назад +26

    This is like a master level course in rebuilding a trans. Hoogie, you're an excellent editor. Straight up professional as you can get.

    • @DEBOSSGARAGE
      @DEBOSSGARAGE  5 лет назад +7

      (Aaron does the editing)

    • @ddgatewood71
      @ddgatewood71 5 лет назад +5

      @@DEBOSSGARAGE I guess I misunderstood then. I thought Hoogie filed and edited. My bad. Aaron is an excellent editor. Or is it A-A-Ron??!
      I guess should say that the cameraman and editor are both outstanding.

  • @mdavidson101
    @mdavidson101 5 лет назад +53

    Dude behind the camera needs a pat on the back. Good job buddy.

    • @mdavidson101
      @mdavidson101 4 года назад +1

      @@robbiefrentz9427 😂😂😂 you ain't wrong about that!

    • @mikehaslett3738
      @mikehaslett3738 4 года назад

      Probably rich

  • @peterhermansson8388
    @peterhermansson8388 5 лет назад +14

    Holy crap that is a true master of the dark arts of automatic mystery!

  • @frozenpete788
    @frozenpete788 5 лет назад +23

    Wow amazing, we've got to learn a lot from every old dude somewhere rebuilding stuff in their shop. The patience, the way they explain stuff, the experience, and somehow they stay humble. Respect

  • @davidclark4390
    @davidclark4390 5 лет назад +7

    Half the time I can't find my keys. Joe is amazing. He tells what part goes where and what it does. Joe, You are the man. Take Care and Be Safe.

  • @MrBEAN584
    @MrBEAN584 5 лет назад +29

    i am still amazed that he just pulls them apart at such speed. shows how much he has been doing this 😆

    • @DriveCarToBar
      @DriveCarToBar 5 лет назад +1

      Which is strange, because C4 transmissions usually take themselves apart.

  • @about17cheezits96
    @about17cheezits96 5 лет назад +4

    "You askin me or tellin me? How bout you just pay attention." man every old fella that's told me that has passed on plenty of wisdom.

  • @jimmy_olds
    @jimmy_olds 4 года назад +4

    I think any one of us who’s messed around with cars has dreamt of getting to Joe’s level of expertise. Good shit.

  • @chunkiehunk5201
    @chunkiehunk5201 3 года назад +3

    I love how Joe explains everything. He takes his time and really makes sure you understand the answer without trying to use jargon or unnecessary terms. Reminds me of one of my old bosses at a maintenance job, such a great guy. Keep up the great work Joe!

  • @ClassicJunk88
    @ClassicJunk88 5 лет назад +32

    I want a transmission fluid dipped cigar now

    • @robbiefrentz9427
      @robbiefrentz9427 4 года назад +2

      ClassicJunk88 I said same thing with Monica Lewinsky 😈😈😈

    • @brianarrington4569
      @brianarrington4569 Год назад +1

      I want mine with extra cancer..

  • @markhubanks3715
    @markhubanks3715 Год назад +1

    This man has forgotten more about transmissions then I'll ever know. This video helped me out. Thank You!

  • @bobcuomo5122
    @bobcuomo5122 5 лет назад +19

    Best c4 video ever !!!

  • @TyNeePen15
    @TyNeePen15 4 года назад +1

    This dude is so knowledgeable. You can tell by the way he's explaining everything as he pulls the transmission apart that he's had a few years of experience rebuilding these C4's. I wish he'd do a video on the FMX as I would like to rebuild the transmission in my 1970 Mercury Cougar. My favorite part is when he says "so we'll have a peak-see what this friction looks like".

  • @wolfmanrebel874
    @wolfmanrebel874 5 лет назад +13

    I have a c6 that needs freshen up I have watched many videos over the past year and this video is by far the best I feel like I can do this with a bit of whiskey

    • @TheProchargedmopar
      @TheProchargedmopar 5 лет назад

      Wolfman Rebel Gonna do my C6 soon too. Great vid. 👍

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 5 лет назад +2

      get a service manual and take lot's of pictures on teardown, triple check as you go, nothing worse than forgetting something or putting it backwards, more so when it's the first few parts that go in.... then again, don't fight "Murphy's Law" and "third time's a charm" lol

  • @superduty4556
    @superduty4556 5 лет назад +8

    Incredible this transmission was engineered in the 60's.

  • @GearsandGasoline
    @GearsandGasoline 5 лет назад +17

    Had a grand time meeting you boys these weekend, thanks for all your help! You'll have to turn laps in the sh*tbox when we get it back up to TMP! Love the content, glad to be a subscriber now!

    • @DEBOSSGARAGE
      @DEBOSSGARAGE  5 лет назад +5

      Thanks Bud! Can't wait to swing by with the Audi to get your opinion. Check and make sure your life insurance is paid up and up to date and we can you behind the wheel

  • @jamesprice6381
    @jamesprice6381 4 года назад

    i sent this to a TRANSMISSION shop IN N WILKESBORO NC, who rebuilt mine n it didnt last 6 months..n was shaky right outa the shop...sent this video to them n told them to watch a PROFESSIONAL...im gonna pull it myself n see whaz going on, it wont go into gear....THANK YOU, great to see there ARE some real craftsman left in this world..

  • @izrael2321
    @izrael2321 5 лет назад +3

    Its nice to watch a true genuine old school transmission mechanic

  • @bjsteg79
    @bjsteg79 Год назад +1

    Watching Joe reminds me of a mentor I had when I started working on cars. Even tempered, can explain everything in simple terms, has a deep understanding of the components and how they work. Man, oh man. It's like being back in Hoss' shop getting a PHD in mechanic repair.

    • @harmankardon478
      @harmankardon478 11 месяцев назад

      back in Hoss shop getting a rim job more like it.

  • @jimfrozen521
    @jimfrozen521 5 лет назад +2

    Excellent master mechanic ...I did the pin mistake on the modulator . I'm 60yrs old and still learning and this is the best Please do more with this master.

  • @taylorsutherland9447
    @taylorsutherland9447 5 лет назад +6

    Definatly done this a time or two! Smoking ATF on that cigar for sure. Really makes me want to see how in the world they make these in mass in the factory.

  • @garyroberts8428
    @garyroberts8428 5 лет назад +3

    It warms my heart to watch a journeyman do his job. Keep 'em coming Rich.

  • @jimsimpson4385
    @jimsimpson4385 2 года назад +1

    WOW GIVE THAT MAN A WHOLE BOX OF CUBAN CIGARS!! WHAT A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE. STIFFY A LUCKY GUY!!

  • @wingrider1004
    @wingrider1004 5 месяцев назад

    This is HANDS DOWN one of the best instructional videos on anything I have ever seen...I am restoring a 1972 Gran Torino Sport with is a C4 (I think) and after watching this I feel like I might givie it a go. I used to be a mechanic for Ford in the 80's but I did not do transmissions. Great video.

  • @Fordrally89
    @Fordrally89 5 лет назад +2

    I like how everything is "impacted" together jeez this guy must know the feels....."torqued to spec"

  • @chucklanman3315
    @chucklanman3315 4 года назад +3

    Great information! I love this guy! Now i can do it myself, while i rebuild my C4 for my 1976 Ford Maverick. Thanks!

  • @ChrisOemailMe
    @ChrisOemailMe Год назад +1

    Just rebuilt my c4 thanks to joe and this video! It even was my first transmission ever to work on!
    Thanks you!

  • @chrisshepherd6410
    @chrisshepherd6410 10 месяцев назад

    The most complete c4 rebuild video I’ve ever seen. Great commentary throughout. Thanks for taking the time.

  • @philheese1728
    @philheese1728 4 года назад

    I retired after 35 yrs rebuilding Cat transmissions at thee Cat dealer in Miami. I knew a lot of the seal and ring part #’s by heart also. I noticed that before you put in a lip seal, you put some grease in it to hold the garter spring in, also what I did. The C4 looks pretty easy. I’ve always wanted to do an automatic- maybe some day. Love the videos, Joe.

  • @mattcaser6581
    @mattcaser6581 5 лет назад

    I grew up around shops like that in the '50's and '60's. I've gotta a lot of respect for these old school mechanics. That's the guy right there that you'd like to have working on your car.

  • @joshuaurban7575
    @joshuaurban7575 5 лет назад

    As so many of you have said, Smokin Joe is a true master. He is so good at explaining things too. I'm simply amazed. I've been a mechanic but I'm no builder. I can really appreciate this. Fantastic job Deboss Garage on this video. Simply A1 from the content to the editing to the cigar. Keep up the great work and make sure you get more of this masters work in the future.

  • @TheTurpin1234
    @TheTurpin1234 5 лет назад

    I have never watched a trans rebuild video all the way thru before this one. It was just so fascinating watching somebody rebuild something most people think is complicated, like he could do it in his sleep. Quite amazing.

  • @chipanzee7507
    @chipanzee7507 5 лет назад +7

    I like the new opening! Very cool. Keep up the good work fellas.

  • @DalTexGuy
    @DalTexGuy 5 лет назад +5

    Very interesting and highly informative! I knew there’s a lot of working parts of a transmission but I didn’t know that there are a lot of different seals that make up the gears.

  • @victor-emmanuel7485
    @victor-emmanuel7485 5 лет назад +3

    This kind of videos is exactly what I love about youtube 👍

  • @marcellemay7721
    @marcellemay7721 4 года назад

    This guy is fantastic. I could watch him rebuild transmissions all day. Just a wealth of knowledge, from a guy that's been doing it for decades. I love how he explains it all. I've rebuilt a couple of transmissions in my lifetime but I never knew what I was doing and certainly not the whys. Awesome video.

  • @kainhall
    @kainhall 5 лет назад +2

    always love old trans guys...... SKILLED as hell
    i can rebuild th350/400//700r4....... but i dont know how they work, or why it went wrong (usually.... sometimes its obvious)
    id love to spend a day learning old tricks with that dude....

  • @tgjr79
    @tgjr79 3 года назад

    It’s one thing to show how to rebuild a Transmission, but to explain every component through the process is just something else. Thank you so much for sharing!

  • @danielgarrett1155
    @danielgarrett1155 5 лет назад +1

    Joe is awesome . I appreciate all you guys showing some of the voodoo that goes on in them slush boxes .
    I doubt I'll ever try to build one , but as a consumer , all the insight is helpful .
    lol , he said ," I do this for a living , that's how I know that " 😂

  • @michaeldeas1969
    @michaeldeas1969 3 года назад

    You don't need to worry about those bushings🤣
    Separating the gaps on the rings is also priceless when it spins.🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @daleskidmore1685
    @daleskidmore1685 5 лет назад +1

    That was just about the most comprehensive "How To" vid I have ever seen. The detail and editing were superb and Smoking Joe is a master. This was a very informative and entertaining vid, thank you for sharing it.

  • @legendarygamer6765
    @legendarygamer6765 5 лет назад +1

    Always love learning how things work and seeing how it's done, you guys are the best.

  • @EridanDan
    @EridanDan 5 лет назад

    Wow! Thank you Rich and Stefan, I'll never get tired of this.
    It's like watching a master luthier or watchmaker work, and I've seen both. Joe is the Stradivarius of transmissions, thank you again for documenting this knowledge, even if I'm sure I'll never take an auto transmission apart because I'd never be able to put it back together right XD

  • @manowaari
    @manowaari 5 лет назад

    It's like art.. watching a professional guru work! "you can look the manual but I know it's right there" Awesome skills!

  • @malcolmyoung7866
    @malcolmyoung7866 5 лет назад

    One of the best DEBOSS videos...Joe's explanations totally understandable and his vast experience shows in those explanations...And 'Stiffy' should 'pay attention' more...

  • @thatguyerk5426
    @thatguyerk5426 2 года назад

    Just wanna say ive watched this about 100 times and its helping me rebuild my c4 in my 68 mustang. BIG help

  • @johnnyfedpost1776
    @johnnyfedpost1776 Год назад +1

    "Because I do this shit for a living, I know it goes in like this" I love this guy

  • @deathvalleyalex9485
    @deathvalleyalex9485 4 года назад

    It's a pleasure to watch a craftsman ply his trade . Your explanations were clear , concise and entertaining . Well done .

  • @SuperBossman9
    @SuperBossman9 2 года назад

    That has got to be the best most informative transmission video I have ever watched. I’ve worked on a few C4’s and this guy knows his stuff. I’ll watch it agin next time I’m putting together a C4

  • @stevyd6349
    @stevyd6349 4 года назад

    I'm a transmission specialist and this guy knows his stuff. Respect to the old man.

  • @tallpaulsynd
    @tallpaulsynd 4 года назад +1

    This is an awesome video! It is wonderful to listen to these mechanics tell you about their trade, with all the tricks. These master craftsmen are going away quickly, hopefully these videos can preserve some of their knowledge.

  • @simplyfred8044
    @simplyfred8044 4 года назад

    I've been waiting for someone to show the proper way to find out and diagnosis problems and rebuild a C4. My fairlane is taking along time to go in reverse and needs fixing. So thank you for your time and experience making this excellent video.

  • @nerysalguero3956
    @nerysalguero3956 3 года назад

    Bout to dig into my c4 and found this vid. Saw the man smokin a cigar and already knew it was gonna be good. Even sparked one up to smoke along. Acid 20 and a transmission knowledge. Makes for a great time

  • @juharonkainen3557
    @juharonkainen3557 4 года назад +1

    Great video! Just rebuilding my c4 and this video helps a lot, looked ti several times before i started and i haven't had any broplems. Thanks!

  • @robertquast9684
    @robertquast9684 5 лет назад

    Awesome video. Takes a lot of years to get to know your way around a transmission like joe does. Makes it look so easy

  • @Keefsstuff
    @Keefsstuff 4 года назад +1

    I watched the whole thing from start to finish it was amazing I can tell you know what you're doing hopefully if I need a transmission rebuilt I can find someone like you that I can trust thanks for the video

  • @evanzarate1378
    @evanzarate1378 Год назад

    This is incredible. Next level. This is understanding an experience at the highest level. Great video

  • @marty0715yt
    @marty0715yt 5 лет назад +1

    Another automotive Legend. I am not doing at alone. Too easy to screw up. He is the expert. Great Job

  • @tomcostello5058
    @tomcostello5058 Год назад

    Video helped me tremendously rebuilding my trans. Successfully rebuilt my first trans appreciate the help!

  • @rusty2029
    @rusty2029 5 лет назад +1

    Keep some long-form videos coming. Thanks and Stephon is wearing my favorite shirt I need to get one like that 🙂

  • @railman4390
    @railman4390 3 года назад

    The best video with old school knowledge. Building my c4 now. Thanks for the help!

  • @troynau1
    @troynau1 9 месяцев назад

    This video is amazing. It gave me the knowledge and courage to rebuild 2 C4s I have in the garage. Keep on keeping on guys and God bless.

  • @jeffryblackmon4846
    @jeffryblackmon4846 4 года назад

    Thanks for this great video. Joe not only knows each part's function and location, he knows its name. Super.

  • @xfxeffect89
    @xfxeffect89 4 года назад

    Very well done. I will be using this video in the near future. Thank you for being informative about what's what, and how things should fit. Very good camera work.

  • @adamfrench8735
    @adamfrench8735 7 месяцев назад

    Hands down the best C4 trans on RUclips thanks guys for sharing ❤

  • @wazza33racer
    @wazza33racer 5 лет назад

    rebuilding an auto is a very involved job that takes time and care to do well and cover all the possible issues specific to each make/model. Makes rebuilding an engine look easy!

  • @kstricl
    @kstricl 5 лет назад

    I rebuilt a couple C4's, and an AOD in my younger days. The one in my buddies 67 Mustang wasn't burnt out, but man the seals were hard. Funniest thing was, I got hired at the parts store where I was getting the kits from, as this showed the owner I had enough mechanical skill to be able to handle the job.

  • @mikekratz39
    @mikekratz39 4 года назад

    I live up the road on Maple St. Nice to see a Master at work. Hats Off.

  • @sbalak
    @sbalak 4 года назад

    It's great to see a master at work. People like this are a treasure .

  • @Velkanis
    @Velkanis 5 лет назад

    man im starting to think alll the auto trans masters behave similarly, i swear my teacher for auto trans was almost like him and its such a joy to see joe's similar way of explaining things! it even gets to be therapeutic... much love from the south pole of america Joe!

  • @lawrenceg3555
    @lawrenceg3555 4 года назад

    great video guys,really enjoy Joes instruction and level of detail in the video.Enough that i'll be trying to rebuild my trans soon

  • @johnserra8497
    @johnserra8497 4 года назад

    Love Joe...did lots for me in the day...." you askin me or telling me. How about you pay attention?" LOL. Always told it like it ways

  • @michaelteeple8704
    @michaelteeple8704 5 лет назад +13

    If a man paid really close attn. he could dam near rebuild a C4 from this vid. Thats sayin something.

  • @dandel351
    @dandel351 5 лет назад

    For some reason Joe reminds me of Mark Novak over at the Anvil channel. He's "been there done that" and forgotten more than most will ever know in they're chosen field. Thanks lads!

  • @edwardjames6837
    @edwardjames6837 5 лет назад +2

    The man that rebuilt the C4 transmission was excellent 👍 video👌 keep them coming sincerely yours Ed James

  • @dinohopa9445
    @dinohopa9445 Год назад

    Wow! Priceless footage & knowledge...Welldone!

  • @65Coasty
    @65Coasty 4 года назад

    Wow ! I just learnt more in one video than I have in 30 years of playin cars. Joe is a friggin legend. He can build my C4 anytime.

  • @wazzazone
    @wazzazone 2 года назад

    Thank you that was a real experience I enjoyed watching the rebuilding C4.

  • @cornflake73
    @cornflake73 4 года назад

    This was very interesting to watch. As he was tearing everything apart and just tossing the parts on the bench I thought that he would never get it all together again. But, he did and I am impressed.

  • @panelvanman7671
    @panelvanman7671 5 лет назад

    WOW , thanks for this , i have four late model pan fill C4's in the shed (called C10's in Australia) , that i can now go through and put to good use , thanks again

  • @trevort4286
    @trevort4286 5 лет назад

    I love watching those old guys that have been mechanics for a hundred years and are so good at what they do

  • @doylehodge7906
    @doylehodge7906 5 лет назад

    This guy is a great technician. Wish there were more like him.

  • @justtinkering6054
    @justtinkering6054 3 года назад

    We should all be so lucky as to have a Smokin' Joe in our contact list. Thank you for this excellent video.

  • @kevlac8109
    @kevlac8109 4 года назад

    Great video,used it to build my c4 during the great shutdown. Put back in last few days ,works great. Tip on turning tail shaft to make sure everything turns saved me from telling the wife I screwed something up. Also very entertaining

  • @justjoe7313
    @justjoe7313 4 года назад

    Automatic transmission repair beats ASMR hands down and twice on Sunday for me. There's no better relaxation :)

  • @WBOS72
    @WBOS72 5 лет назад +5

    Are you getting Joe to rebuild the Allison for the F-Treefiddy? I love seeing the innards of transmissions. Thanks.

  • @artemiasalina1860
    @artemiasalina1860 5 лет назад

    Every minute was a pleasure, Joe. Thanks.

  • @JPVolvo
    @JPVolvo 4 года назад

    This guy is awesome! Would love to see more content from him! Great teacher!

  • @benhuntly2549
    @benhuntly2549 2 года назад

    First time I've seen a video of yours, certainly won't be the last, invaluable information, I'm hitting the button, thanks 👍