I have to say the game as it is now is a world of difference compared to the recorded game here. Every month a new build (update) comes out and the game is still in raw development stage, but we have a very loyal community with a couple of hundred players. This game has again the potential like UT in 1999 to be the biggest `unreal` FPS around with thousands of players and clans! Download the game, join the European UT4 community and test some!!!
I'm amazed how many people can't wrap their head around the term "pre-alpha". Look for how long has the game been in development! All graphical assets you see are placeholders. Most models are placeholders. Maps are NOT in their final form. Gameplay is not representing the final game. All the complaints about graphics, gameplay and weapon models are absurd.
Pablo Perugino Some people are...they don't understand what a placement asset is and think they game is going to look like the above video and comment as such.
Sinbad Naiver Hey mr naive. If it's on alpha, they already should be honing down the core gameplay. If the gameplay is UT3 and they are "happy" with it, then it's a very bad thing because it's at this stage where the gamestyle must be decided.
ssbj is right, game speed isn't something that "requires more dev time" it's something that's decided right off the bat even before your guy can move. that said, they might change it later if people complain enough that it's too slow, kinda like how d3 got darker after people complained about the rainbows and shit
No, game speed isn't even movement speed to begin with. And yes it obviously requires dev to test and since everyone is so retarded the whole forum is a loop of the same post content "must b liek ut99 yadahhh".
alex f You're obviously missing the point. It doesn't require any dev time to change player movement speed from say 10 to 18 or something. Jump height, projectile speed, those are all simple numbers that can be changed in a matter of seconds. The fact that they left them that way and keep testing using those settings means they intend to base the whole game off of these specific configurations.
Matthew Johnson They already talked about double jumps and even explained why they won't be in the game. Essentially, what they said was that double jump doesn't make sense because if it's in the game, it doesn't make sense to not double jump all the time. It's like having weak and strong fire mode with exactly the same fire-rate and ammo consumption. Of course you're going to use the stronger fire mode all the time.
Pablo Perugino Missing a jump? Really? What's so hard about jumping twice? If anything, having only one jump makes more room for mistakes: hitting the right timing is harder.
It's been a long time since I've seen a video from Fatal1ty, and what makes this great is that this is gameplay footage of UT4 in pre alpha. Things look great with the gameplay looking like Unreal Tournament, and I guess this is a good way of keeping up with the things Fatal1ty pushes out. Of course since this is pre alpha, things aren't up to polish yet, but the foundations are there for a playable UT game. Hopefully later on in UT4's development things are expanded on to bring a revival of the arena shooter with high levels of skill.
People will see the UT3 weapon models, sound effect, etc. and already trash the game without even playing it. UT3 was a good game, and this will hopefully be better. It's better than having no UT at all. No need to hate on the game for no reason. Some people really do love to bitch about nothing.
Why are you so stunned about the guns look? These guns were already used in ut3 and they are probably just placeholders which means that there's no reason for giving the mini-gun an animation because it's gonna be replaced by another weapon anyway. I like that you're so excited about the next ut game. keep it up ;D
semy28|Gplus sucks and I'm not gonna link my original account with google+ yeah, I like the gun designs from UT3, but my favorite iteration of the game in regards to gameplay was UT2k3. I was far more impressed with the apparent game play mechanics and style than the guns, though the old UT3 skins in the new engine do admittedly look about 3 times as bad ass, lol. appearance and overall art style/vibe play a big role in modern gaming, because immersion is a thing. The visual and game play styles need to mesh well. Also, I get that it is an alpha test, but 90% of the textures being alpha channel is taking that a bit too literally, lol (j/k). The game is far from finished, but when it comes out, I will be playing it :D
I hope they keep the graphics as smooth as they are right now. I don't want the graphics to be bad because there're a lot of people who prefer graphics over gameplay, but one of the things in ut3 which I didn't like was the graphics. They were incredibly good but there was too much eye fuck in there unlike ut2k4 where the graphics were a single delight.
All the designs in 2004 were delightful. The maps were well crafted and told a story about an interesting arena and the character designs were varied and fascinating. It's what appeals to me so much even today, heck, I just played a deathmatch on Morpheus and Hyperblast on 2004 today.
This is a problem with alot of modern shooters. Can't see properly because of all the textures and clutter. Ut 3 suffered from this as does csgo. They just need a clean design, sharp but with easy visibility.
Weapons don't have any animation yet, so it's hard to tell, but does the minigun have windup time? I know it did in the old UTs, but personally I'd prefer if it didn't. The windup just makes it feel so heavy and forced. Like you can't just quickly switch to it to finish off someone trying to escape as you're hit with that windup.
I just want a time machine to go back and play UT99 and Quake 3 Arena and Tribes 2 back when they first came out and had that fresh community of gamers who brought them to life. Such good times can never be replaced. Everything FPS is either going COD, Battlefail, or some indie junk that uses pixel art and tries to market their game like it is some legendary title. If that is not enough, it is going to be some Free 2 Play title that adds 200 gun DLC that makes you "better" because the developers make the damage and accuracy higher on each weapon that you buy. Oh, and I know the game is Pre-Alpha, I am just talking about this because it is youtube.
Why is everyone so INSANELEY ignorant? You kids have no idea what this is about and keep bitching about the looks of the "textures" "models" and "weapon models". The pre-alpha was to test ENGINE STABILITY and allow people to test their creations directly ingame without having to make a topic, wait for the "devs" to test it and reply back (hopefully within a month) about what they think, this way the guys can test it (since its community made) and share the files directly onto the forum so others can test it as well and if this one thing was done well, it might make it into later game development. This is nowhere close the actual aplha. Alpha version will be after testing has been done and basic models + textures + fuctions have been placed.
I'm judging not based on this alpha footage so much as the last 3 terrible UT's(UT2k4 isn't as bad as the other 2 though) They took the series in a cartoony, flashy, cheap looking way with weird looking, disproportioned characters that fly around the map like monkeys. They changed so many little things to appease the Quake audience. Take the IG rifle for example. Instead of it having a solid beam that instantly causes a person to explode they opted for the super thin line a la Q3 rail gun that sort of the penetrates the enemy and then causes the person to explode. This makes it feel different(not in a good way) from the original and its all the little things like this added together that make the previous games a big steaming pile of shit. I still say their best bet is to just remaster the original. They clearly lost whatever sense they had when they made the original. If they go forward with UT4 they need to focus on making the movement original, nuanced, realistic yet stylish. I'm so tired of stiff looking characters that strafe in a super stiff way. I realize that looks aren't everything but I truly believe that if they get the overall vibe of the world right that the good gameplay mechanics will almost naturally become apparent(from a development standpoint) If they understand the right mix between grit and futuristic, keeping realism in mind but not strictly adhering to. The damage, the weapon's and their fire and even the gore will be obvious. The core gameplay is pretty much already done and has been since the original UT.
stupaod So you're judging UT3? I don't see how this is related to ut4 at all, they are using the ut3 weapons as placeholders, everything else will differ. They are actually listening to the community so far.
В чём "осом"-то? Какой-то непонятный мод к UT3 без нормального мувмента (всё какое-то тормозное и прямолинейное), да с пушками, стреляющими искрами во весь экран. Даже модельки пушек из UT3 не меняли, работа над игрой считай не началась ещё.
Eli Opts, ты в UT3 играл? Я часов 200 наиграл и вот в упор не вижу в сабжевом ролике "осом", потому как кроме режущих глаз и мешающих концентрации на противнике вспышках нахер не нужных спецэффектов отличий от UT3 ровно 0. А, нет, вру, отличия в минус - мувмент тормозной, динамику съели куда-то.
Я знаю, что только начинают, читал блог эпиков. Даже Артиста по такому случаю на радостях в UT3 затащил (всего на один вечер). А недоумение моё вызвано 3 фактами: 1) Нахрена показывать кому-бы то ни было (кроме 3.5 тестеров) настолько сырой билд, что он даже хуже имеющегося предшественника? 2) Зачем вытаскивать из чулана старичка Фаталити, у котрого уже суставы скрипят, а тупит и тормозит он так, будто первый раз за шутер сел? Полно молодых именитых ребят с великолепной реакцией в QL, CSGO, BF3 (четвёрка не взлетела ещё, если судить по просмотрам ESL Кёльн). 3) Чему тут восхищаться? Самому факту начала разработки? Так Кикстартер уже должен был приучить, что громкое начало разработки в 9 из 10 случаев не заканчивается ничем. Даже Питер Мулиньё зафейлил, помниться, игрулю. Вот когда покажут играбельный билд с контентом, можно будет ахать. А пока они показали демку на нгвом движке, куда просто перенесли старые пушки. Целый вечер потратили пять про-девелоперов из Эпиков, wow!
I like that they have devs playtesting with someone competitive. 80 20 rule. 80% of your new customers will be 20% (the hardcore players) of your old customers.
Wonder how they will make the game. Will there be thinks like drops to keep players interested in playing or an XP system or it will be a pure arcade shooter. I hope there are a few incentives for people to keep playing that dont effect gameplay
domini384 I was a big fan of the earlier titles (mainly UT2004), but I'm not sure the same game could hold up today. Whilst I'm heavily against them doing any kind of leveling system or persistent weapons like many modern shooters, the idea of custom aesthetics in the form of drops sounds like a good idea to keep people playing, just look how well it worked for games like TF2 and CS. :P
So UT4 wille be UT3 with UE4 :) Cause right now there's no point showing the skins or the graphics so it's the gameplay, which is just the same as UT3. I really hope for this game to be good but it seems no one got any idea on where to start and it's a mess.
So....whats the difference between this and UT3 black? Same weapons, sound effects...its been years since the last UT and yet they cant reskin the weapons? And graphically, it looks like UT3 black...and I know this is pre alpha but the graphics are the same no?
I never could use the shock-combo properly...must have had my mouse sens. too high, because I'd always miss the bubbles and end up getting myself killed...
I always thought higher sensitivity was better until I met a friend who played competitive TF2 who taught me otherwise. Now I'm way better at shooters than I ever used to be.
For those who bitching around about "Slow as fuck", "Need to be more UT99" etc. Please join the UT forum and tell your feedbacks there instead here. And don't forget some stuff are for placeholders, they will be changed in the future.
When I played this game, you have to realize how un-responsive the game was to actual inputs to the game. When I fire, it fire literally 1000ms later or something crazy. Don't give EPIC such a hard time for Pre-Alpha. If you want to see more of my skill, watch ruclips.net/video/KibbuugIQT8/видео.html - PainkilleR had such great responsiveness to shots! I miss that in games. I hate when there is a delay of when I want to shoot. I want to overwhelm my opponent with speed! PainkilleR was the best for this! Also no sniper rifle so you could actually fight as much as you could handle.
First of all, z4tanut: Is he playing UT3?******* Second: No he's not playing UT3, he's playing a very early version of the next Unreal tournament. Most of what you see in this video will be changed, like the weapon designs, textures, mechanics and more. the title already says Pre Alpha, does no one know how games look in their development?!?!
The problem here is not the looks... I work in the games industry and honestly see no difference between UT3 and this... I know this is alpha, but what's the point if it looks exactly like if you made a concept room in UT3editor and playtested it?. I'm not talking about the looks, the mechanics seem to be exactly the same. It almost looks as if you guys aren't doing anything at all, sorry.
RealDavoX I was wondering the same thing but it seems to have worked for counter-strike but counter-strike has maintained a bigger following all along. If they would just release 99 and 2k4 with better graphics and built in voice chat for teams I bet they'd make more money than trying to please both groups with a new game and it would probably be a lot cheaper.
semy28|Gplus sucks and I'm not gonna link my original account with google+ what the heck are you talking about, all the material in this "pre alpha" is from UT 3, what should we expect after all these years, a graphic mod for Unreal 3? There's no difference between this and UNREAL TOURNAMENT 3 (2007) at minimum graphics -.-
lol, people have been playing ut for just as long and the movement flow is still not there. Also, people have been bunny hopping in quake since q2. I really do not see any point to your reply.
All the UT games play differently. This one surely plays different than the rest of them, and nobody has mastered the mechanics yet. I disagree that Q3A has more "flow" than Unreal Tournament, aside from the ridiculous bunnyhopping.
zimThuet I haven't played UT in years, but it seems to me it would be much better to have dodge bound to shift. I'm sure it's possible to do, and if not someone is probably telling them it needs to happen. I remember I hated the double tapping bullshit, and I won't accept it when I start playing this game. I too prefer the quake movement, but I'm hoping Epic can do something interesting with their movement system, they still have lots of time. Besides, we don't have many options in the Arena Shooter genre atm (other than hoping a few indie games turn out good).
Do you guys also hate the "double tapping bullshit" of opening an icon on your desktop? It's not hard to double tap, this is like computing 101. If you find double-tap dodging to be challenging your are simply a bad player.
I just hope it doesn't get swarmed by nasty players since its going free to play, UT is a great game and one that I played growing up and it gave me fond memories, I really hope it isn't ruined because of this F2P model :/
wow, I made one of the earlier comments, and it was vastly misinterpreted due to the troves of ignorance that comprised the other comments made by other people afterwards, as well as those directly before... pre alpha, people. it's basically just a general map layout/engine test, as several other commenters were all to eager to point out... they wouldn't have to keep reiterating that same point if people weren't all to eager to not have a brain... then again, this is youtube comments, which is only a few steps above the internet's armpit (if you know that to which I refer, good for you :P want a cookie?)
Early stages in game development is where the gameplay core is decided at. This seems like Epic want to stay in the UT3 gameplay department :/ If you don't complain now, then it's later on already gonna be too late because Epic has locked down the gameplay. Once stuff is locked down, they aren't gonna change it since they got so far in the development. So this is why it's essential to bring up the flaws of Unreal Tournament 2014 at this stage already.
What the game really needs is higher speeds ... for the projectiles! Rockets need to be used to hit directly on target like a projectile, not for the splash damage. Link gun primary needs speed to be usable to all. Biogun the same. Shock rifle secondary perhaps too, with some other nerf to counter imba shombos. Projectiles need to work directly, be themselves, not for an extra effect. Otherwise Link will forever be useless.
Unreal was always different from Quake, because of different strafe jump system and movement system u need to spam strafe all the time, maybe this is the weakest part of it - idk. But always nice to see something new and i hope this time its gonna be better...
Looks like the movement is as high gravity and limited as UT3. UT2003/2004 allowed you to do more with just character movement which I think is a big part for why it had such a long living community and a core game that supports many maps, mods, and game modes. This looks like UT3 which died off pretty quickly and was my personal biggest game purchase regret to this day. Also projectiles seem to fly pretty slow. I don't like where this is going...
I think they should add some hazard areas around the map, like mortal kombat maps, if you go near this, that will happen ecc.. Some map fatalities kinda
I don't get why people say "DON'T COMPLAIN 11111 Its pRE ALPHA !112412" If you don't complain you'll get a game that's shit, so endure the complaining it's not because people just hate the game it's because they truly WANT it to be good, use some logic please.
Epic pretty much burnt all bridges with UT3, if they want to be taken serious at all again its them alone that has to step up on the platter and SHOW it this time around. Instead of the hot air they where spweing and heavy censoring they did back then.
Nice to see the UT franchise evolving and taking new directions....oh wait it looks just like all the rest with no innovation added to the game for the last decade...should do well.
Dear people who have never seen a development cycle: this is Pre-Alpha. Nothing is done. Shit breaks. This is not UT3. This is not UT4 (yet). Graphics are as basic as possible because textures are constantly changed and broken because nothing is done. Weapons are placement weapons or weapons from UT3 because shit breaks and the new models aren't done. Gameplay is slow because the design for the new game is not done, needs to be tested, and will break and break and need tweaks and break and tweaks until they are acceptable. They will then be tweaked, broken, and tweaked again for the next 1-2 years. Maps are simplistic because they are not done and may be broken by broken textures and other tools that were not done when the map was added. If you don't understand this explanation in it's simplest form: You don't deserve to complain about any bugs that arise in the later development cycle, because you didn't understand what went into causing them, nor what will have to be done to fix them. You also should fuck off and just wait for open-beta, so you can complain about lag when you have dial-up. Thank you for your attention..now take your ass back to playing COD.
the pre alpha looks really cool until now, i like the flak cannon they have. the only thing i dont like is, WHEN I PLAY THE WEAPONS LOOK SO FAR AWAY FROM ME D:
Some people do spawn with shields, they are called cheater administrators. I run in to these kind playing UT3. I hate fucking cheaters. I hope UT4 eliminates all cheating and bunny hoppers!
This looks slower than UT3, unless it's the FOV or Fat's style. Very mixed feelings about this. It's like UT3's engine trying to emulate UT99, but the scale of the maps, all the assets they're using, and the weapons themselves look highly reminiscent of UT3. I know this is an early stage of development but I hope they sort their shit out.
Well, I've played it some and I must say that it feels a lot better in practice than it actually looks. I quite like the feel of the gameplay though it'll take some getting used to coming from 2k4 which is a lot more hitscan dominant. Funny to see how uncomfortable Fat looks with the movement though - I guess UT2k3 was quite some time ago!
***** No no no, the game is in "pre-alpha" aka, not even close to finished. But yes, UT3 was this slow and lame...UT2004 was utter bliss (fast and frantic)
jesus man, pre alpha version is basically just the engine and core gameplay elements + physics and stripped ragdoll modelling probably. it will look great and feel great when it gets beta. you'll see something cool there I bet
Well it's not really going to PLAY any different. The weapons will be remodeled and given animations. I don't see what's not fun about this, unless you never played UT before.
I miss the more rugged ancient Roman type armor in a gritty modern setting and less of the flashiness that UT has become known for. Its all cartoony with lame movement animations(UT had THE best movement of any shooter that hasn't been topped IMO) It was as if they tried to make a UT/Q3 hybrid instead of a true UT game. I have a feeling this new one will be more of the same. They just don't seem to understand what made the first one great. I wish they would just remaster the original so it would be more compatible with newer hardware(including mice) custom crosshairs for every weapon, graphical upgrade while keeping the original gameplay physics etc. Don't make it flashy, make it gritty(graphically). Lots of hud options ETC Make sure you release the proper amount of information(source I guess?) so that Anti-Cheat can be implemented so its not completely ruined by cheaters a la UT3. UT4 should have realistically proportioned character models. Example of what I mean by "gritty". The sniper rifle could look like a more old fashioned realistic rifle(similar to the original) You can render it well(I hope you do) but it doesn't have to be some super high tech flashy, super colourful, alien, cartoon looking thing. The overall vibe should be like a bleak, unprosperous, desolate future, almost steampunk but not. Some maps could even seem like they are falling apart with lifts/elevators that stutter and shift with a grinding sound and sparks as they rise because they are falling apart.
I have to say the game as it is now is a world of difference compared to the recorded game here. Every month a new build (update) comes out and the game is still in raw development stage, but we have a very loyal community with a couple of hundred players.
This game has again the potential like UT in 1999 to be the biggest `unreal` FPS around with thousands of players and clans!
Download the game, join the European UT4 community and test some!!!
I'm amazed how many people can't wrap their head around the term "pre-alpha". Look for how long has the game been in development!
All graphical assets you see are placeholders. Most models are placeholders. Maps are NOT in their final form. Gameplay is not representing the final game.
All the complaints about graphics, gameplay and weapon models are absurd.
We are not talking about the graphics, dude...
You are rigtt dude
Pablo Perugino Some people are...they don't understand what a placement asset is and think they game is going to look like the above video and comment as such.
Darkwiz666 Why launch it if a pre-alpha has no relevance whatsoever to the final version?
XtremuZ
At least look something up about the upcoming title. It is being developed in cooperation with the community.
Slow like UT3, brings some annoying memories. Hope this will end up more like UT99, speed of the game and everything.
the game is still in alpha mind you, like i told ya last time, so quit complaining about it good god! -_-
Sinbad Naiver
Hey mr naive. If it's on alpha, they already should be honing down the core gameplay. If the gameplay is UT3 and they are "happy" with it, then it's a very bad thing because it's at this stage where the gamestyle must be decided.
ssbj is right, game speed isn't something that "requires more dev time" it's something that's decided right off the bat even before your guy can move.
that said, they might change it later if people complain enough that it's too slow, kinda like how d3 got darker after people complained about the rainbows and shit
No, game speed isn't even movement speed to begin with. And yes it obviously requires dev to test and since everyone is so retarded the whole forum is a loop of the same post content "must b liek ut99 yadahhh".
alex f
You're obviously missing the point. It doesn't require any dev time to change player movement speed from say 10 to 18 or something. Jump height, projectile speed, those are all simple numbers that can be changed in a matter of seconds. The fact that they left them that way and keep testing using those settings means they intend to base the whole game off of these specific configurations.
I hope this have that UT2004 feel to it
If the final game doesn't have the dodge + double jump mechanic, I will be seriously disappointed
Not gonna happen, this is UT3...
inb4 placeholders, I'm not talking about that...
Matthew Johnson They already talked about double jumps and even explained why they won't be in the game. Essentially, what they said was that double jump doesn't make sense because if it's in the game, it doesn't make sense to not double jump all the time. It's like having weak and strong fire mode with exactly the same fire-rate and ammo consumption. Of course you're going to use the stronger fire mode all the time.
CanIHasThisName
That not convince me, that makes the game easier, you can't miss a jump that way, is what they are trying to do, the game easier...
Pablo Perugino
Missing a jump? Really? What's so hard about jumping twice?
If anything, having only one jump makes more room for mistakes: hitting the right timing is harder.
wow , i remember looking up to fatal1ty 10 yrs ago when I first started UT and finished PainKiller
"Dominating!" "Godlike!"
Being Fatal1ty means all those announcements is just an ordinary day.
It's been a long time since I've seen a video from Fatal1ty, and what makes this great is that this is gameplay footage of UT4 in pre alpha. Things look great with the gameplay looking like Unreal Tournament, and I guess this is a good way of keeping up with the things Fatal1ty pushes out. Of course since this is pre alpha, things aren't up to polish yet, but the foundations are there for a playable UT game. Hopefully later on in UT4's development things are expanded on to bring a revival of the arena shooter with high levels of skill.
RIP fast paced games
Reflex
im loving this game so far. I missed UT so much. it has changed quite a lot from this vid too.
People will see the UT3 weapon models, sound effect, etc. and already trash the game without even playing it. UT3 was a good game, and this will hopefully be better. It's better than having no UT at all. No need to hate on the game for no reason. Some people really do love to bitch about nothing.
Yrrab nesjen
Why? Seriously WHAT MAKES UT3 SO MUCH WORSE THAN UT2004? Nobody has ever been able to give me a solid answer on that.
holy shit, this looks like a weird hybrid of the best parts of UT '99, UT 2k3/2k4, and UT3... LOVE IT. OFFICIAL SEAL OF APPROVAL!!
and omfg, the guns look so fucking good :D now only to work on some of the animations for them (noticed the mini-gun's rot anim is missing)
Why are you so stunned about the guns look? These guns were already used in ut3 and they are probably just placeholders which means that there's no reason for giving the mini-gun an animation because it's gonna be replaced by another weapon anyway. I like that you're so excited about the next ut game. keep it up ;D
semy28|Gplus sucks and I'm not gonna link my original account with google+ yeah, I like the gun designs from UT3, but my favorite iteration of the game in regards to gameplay was UT2k3. I was far more impressed with the apparent game play mechanics and style than the guns, though the old UT3 skins in the new engine do admittedly look about 3 times as bad ass, lol. appearance and overall art style/vibe play a big role in modern gaming, because immersion is a thing. The visual and game play styles need to mesh well. Also, I get that it is an alpha test, but 90% of the textures being alpha channel is taking that a bit too literally, lol (j/k). The game is far from finished, but when it comes out, I will be playing it :D
I respect how rusty Fatal1ty’s gameplay looked he’s a legend and none of us cod boys could beat him if he’s even playing like this😂
I hope they keep the graphics as smooth as they are right now.
I don't want the graphics to be bad because there're a lot of people who prefer graphics over gameplay, but one of the things in ut3 which I didn't like was the graphics. They were incredibly good but there was too much eye fuck in there unlike ut2k4 where the graphics were a single delight.
All the designs in 2004 were delightful. The maps were well crafted and told a story about an interesting arena and the character designs were varied and fascinating. It's what appeals to me so much even today, heck, I just played a deathmatch on Morpheus and Hyperblast on 2004 today.
+1 for "eye fuck". UT3 looked shit in all its technical glory. Graphics should never get in the way of the game itself and in UT3 I felt they did.
This is a problem with alot of modern shooters. Can't see properly because of all the textures and clutter. Ut 3 suffered from this as does csgo. They just need a clean design, sharp but with easy visibility.
***** i still play UT3 man.. but not alot players are there anymore
Those announcer quotes bring back awesome memories!
I love all the unreal tournaments, but UT3 and UT99 were my favorites... this looks like a combo of them both. Sweetness!
Weapons don't have any animation yet, so it's hard to tell, but does the minigun have windup time? I know it did in the old UTs, but personally I'd prefer if it didn't. The windup just makes it feel so heavy and forced. Like you can't just quickly switch to it to finish off someone trying to escape as you're hit with that windup.
hey man.. nice to see ya playing UT... can u tell me what's your sens in new UT ? and mouse DPI ? ty (please answer)
I just want a time machine to go back and play UT99 and Quake 3 Arena and Tribes 2 back when they first came out and had that fresh community of gamers who brought them to life. Such good times can never be replaced. Everything FPS is either going COD, Battlefail, or some indie junk that uses pixel art and tries to market their game like it is some legendary title. If that is not enough, it is going to be some Free 2 Play title that adds 200 gun DLC that makes you "better" because the developers make the damage and accuracy higher on each weapon that you buy.
Oh, and I know the game is Pre-Alpha, I am just talking about this because it is youtube.
it's lovely that sometimes the flak cannon makes the old school sound of the ut99 one ;)
Why is everyone so INSANELEY ignorant? You kids have no idea what this is about and keep bitching about the looks of the "textures" "models" and "weapon models". The pre-alpha was to test ENGINE STABILITY and allow people to test their creations directly ingame without having to make a topic, wait for the "devs" to test it and reply back (hopefully within a month) about what they think, this way the guys can test it (since its community made) and share the files directly onto the forum so others can test it as well and if this one thing was done well, it might make it into later game development. This is nowhere close the actual aplha. Alpha version will be after testing has been done and basic models + textures + fuctions have been placed.
I'm judging not based on this alpha footage so much as the last 3 terrible UT's(UT2k4 isn't as bad as the other 2 though) They took the series in a cartoony, flashy, cheap looking way with weird looking, disproportioned characters that fly around the map like monkeys. They changed so many little things to appease the Quake audience. Take the IG rifle for example. Instead of it having a solid beam that instantly causes a person to explode they opted for the super thin line a la Q3 rail gun that sort of the penetrates the enemy and then causes the person to explode. This makes it feel different(not in a good way) from the original and its all the little things like this added together that make the previous games a big steaming pile of shit. I still say their best bet is to just remaster the original. They clearly lost whatever sense they had when they made the original. If they go forward with UT4 they need to focus on making the movement original, nuanced, realistic yet stylish. I'm so tired of stiff looking characters that strafe in a super stiff way. I realize that looks aren't everything but I truly believe that if they get the overall vibe of the world right that the good gameplay mechanics will almost naturally become apparent(from a development standpoint) If they understand the right mix between grit and futuristic, keeping realism in mind but not strictly adhering to. The damage, the weapon's and their fire and even the gore will be obvious. The core gameplay is pretty much already done and has been since the original UT.
stupaod So you're judging UT3? I don't see how this is related to ut4 at all, they are using the ut3 weapons as placeholders, everything else will differ. They are actually listening to the community so far.
WinterPwnd
We'll see...
legend is back
This is fucking awesome !!!!!!!! At last oldschool hardcore!!!!
PREPARE TO FIGHT !
В чём "осом"-то? Какой-то непонятный мод к UT3 без нормального мувмента (всё какое-то тормозное и прямолинейное), да с пушками, стреляющими искрами во весь экран. Даже модельки пушек из UT3 не меняли, работа над игрой считай не началась ещё.
Она идет, и то что показывают сейчас - это осом. Задолбали уже бфподобные игры.
Eli Opts, ты в UT3 играл? Я часов 200 наиграл и вот в упор не вижу в сабжевом ролике "осом", потому как кроме режущих глаз и мешающих концентрации на противнике вспышках нахер не нужных спецэффектов отличий от UT3 ровно 0. А, нет, вру, отличия в минус - мувмент тормозной, динамику съели куда-то.
лол, часикков эдак тыщи под 4 наиграл.
ставр,эту игру еще только начинают делать. А динамика и принцип тот же. И слава богу.
Я знаю, что только начинают, читал блог эпиков. Даже Артиста по такому случаю на радостях в UT3 затащил (всего на один вечер).
А недоумение моё вызвано 3 фактами:
1) Нахрена показывать кому-бы то ни было (кроме 3.5 тестеров) настолько сырой билд, что он даже хуже имеющегося предшественника?
2) Зачем вытаскивать из чулана старичка Фаталити, у котрого уже суставы скрипят, а тупит и тормозит он так, будто первый раз за шутер сел? Полно молодых именитых ребят с великолепной реакцией в QL, CSGO, BF3 (четвёрка не взлетела ещё, если судить по просмотрам ESL Кёльн).
3) Чему тут восхищаться? Самому факту начала разработки? Так Кикстартер уже должен был приучить, что громкое начало разработки в 9 из 10 случаев не заканчивается ничем. Даже Питер Мулиньё зафейлил, помниться, игрулю. Вот когда покажут играбельный билд с контентом, можно будет ахать. А пока они показали демку на нгвом движке, куда просто перенесли старые пушки. Целый вечер потратили пять про-девелоперов из Эпиков, wow!
I like that they have devs playtesting with someone competitive. 80 20 rule. 80% of your new customers will be 20% (the hardcore players) of your old customers.
Nice upload, I know its real early still but did it feel fast enough to you?
Wonder how they will make the game. Will there be thinks like drops to keep players interested in playing or an XP system or it will be a pure arcade shooter. I hope there are a few incentives for people to keep playing that dont effect gameplay
Matchmaking with ranks (similar to CS I assume).
I hope not, just keep it the way it was in UT99 and 2004. XP and drops create a huge imbalance that would likely push players away.
domini384
I mean fun items that drop, like CS:GO, like stickers, skins or something, not something that would effect gameplay
VideoFletcher - RUclips Channel. Im ok with skins that match the games style but any other custom content should stay with whatever server is hosting
domini384 I was a big fan of the earlier titles (mainly UT2004), but I'm not sure the same game could hold up today. Whilst I'm heavily against them doing any kind of leveling system or persistent weapons like many modern shooters, the idea of custom aesthetics in the form of drops sounds like a good idea to keep people playing, just look how well it worked for games like TF2 and CS. :P
Someone please explain me this . Why this game has crappy ut3 dodges and OPENtournament has the superior ut2k4 dodges ?
word jon, you gonna come back out of the shadows when ut4 hits the stage? im interested to see how the scene for this thing is gonna develop.
Please be 2004-2 and not UT3-2
Beautiful, interesting, thank you!
And... what's the difference with UT3??
Movement speed got buffed significantly since this was filmed.
when is the retail?
This looks very promising.
the pre-alpha looks like UT1999 with UT3 guns and pick-ups,looks funny
So UT4 wille be UT3 with UE4 :)
Cause right now there's no point showing the skins or the graphics so it's the gameplay, which is just the same as UT3. I really hope for this game to be good but it seems no one got any idea on where to start and it's a mess.
I really hate how the speed seems very slow in this compared to UT99.
ssbj144 and this can't even be compared to 2k4 in terms on speed then x)
This map looks so familiar for some reason, reminds me of something from UT99
Fatality, ever played Half-Life? old game i know. wondered this for years. Wouldn't mind a duel vs you on UT : )
You're great, when is your comeback in UT/Quake?
So....whats the difference between this and UT3 black? Same weapons, sound effects...its been years since the last UT and yet they cant reskin the weapons? And graphically, it looks like UT3 black...and I know this is pre alpha but the graphics are the same no?
I never could use the shock-combo properly...must have had my mouse sens. too high, because I'd always miss the bubbles and end up getting myself killed...
I always thought higher sensitivity was better until I met a friend who played competitive TF2 who taught me otherwise. Now I'm way better at shooters than I ever used to be.
For those who bitching around about "Slow as fuck", "Need to be more UT99" etc. Please join the UT forum and tell your feedbacks there instead here. And don't forget some stuff are for placeholders, they will be changed in the future.
for pre-alpha this gameplay looks to good
Is it me or dodges were faster and longer in un99-2004? Here they look as weak as regular jump.
Looks amazing .Thanks for sharing .
I really liked the fail jump @ 1:12
When I played this game, you have to realize how un-responsive the game was to actual inputs to the game. When I fire, it fire literally 1000ms later or something crazy. Don't give EPIC such a hard time for Pre-Alpha. If you want to see more of my skill, watch ruclips.net/video/KibbuugIQT8/видео.html - PainkilleR had such great responsiveness to shots! I miss that in games. I hate when there is a delay of when I want to shoot. I want to overwhelm my opponent with speed! PainkilleR was the best for this! Also no sniper rifle so you could actually fight as much as you could handle.
Can't wait for the beta to come out, been too long since I last played Unreal Tournament
Amazing how so many people don't understand what "Pre alpha" means....
the game seems so slow...
would be great if we could play the final version with these graphics settings.
How does he know the arena so well on his first playthrough? I don't think so....
is it me ? or UT99 GOTY seems a bit faster paced ?
looks way to slow
why is the movement speed so much slower?
thats not unreal speed thats call of dookie speeed
he are playing UT3 ?
First of all, z4tanut: Is he playing UT3?*******
Second: No he's not playing UT3, he's playing a very early version of the next Unreal tournament. Most of what you see in this video will be changed, like the weapon designs, textures, mechanics and more. the title already says Pre Alpha, does no one know how games look in their development?!?!
The problem here is not the looks... I work in the games industry and honestly see no difference between UT3 and this... I know this is alpha, but what's the point if it looks exactly like if you made a concept room in UT3editor and playtested it?.
I'm not talking about the looks, the mechanics seem to be exactly the same. It almost looks as if you guys aren't doing anything at all, sorry.
RealDavoX I was wondering the same thing but it seems to have worked for counter-strike but counter-strike has maintained a bigger following all along. If they would just release 99 and 2k4 with better graphics and built in voice chat for teams I bet they'd make more money than trying to please both groups with a new game and it would probably be a lot cheaper.
semy28|Gplus sucks and I'm not gonna link my original account with google+
what the heck are you talking about, all the material in this "pre alpha" is from UT 3, what should we expect after all these years, a graphic mod for Unreal 3? There's no difference between this and UNREAL TOURNAMENT 3 (2007) at minimum graphics -.-
true, UT4 and UT3 very similar...
Would love to see the return of shock rifle from UT2003
q3a has much better flow
Yeah, 15 years down the line after people have had all that time to master the mechanics. I'm shocked.
lol, people have been playing ut for just as long and the movement flow is still not there. Also, people have been bunny hopping in quake since q2. I really do not see any point to your reply.
All the UT games play differently. This one surely plays different than the rest of them, and nobody has mastered the mechanics yet. I disagree that Q3A has more "flow" than Unreal Tournament, aside from the ridiculous bunnyhopping.
zimThuet I haven't played UT in years, but it seems to me it would be much better to have dodge bound to shift. I'm sure it's possible to do, and if not someone is probably telling them it needs to happen. I remember I hated the double tapping bullshit, and I won't accept it when I start playing this game. I too prefer the quake movement, but I'm hoping Epic can do something interesting with their movement system, they still have lots of time. Besides, we don't have many options in the Arena Shooter genre atm (other than hoping a few indie games turn out good).
Do you guys also hate the "double tapping bullshit" of opening an icon on your desktop? It's not hard to double tap, this is like computing 101. If you find double-tap dodging to be challenging your are simply a bad player.
Wow, ur so good (Vs Novice Bots)!
I think the weapons need louder and beefier sound effects for the full release
seems similar to original UT99.... now thats a very good thing
Damn did John get fragged even once in this video?
Would love to play with you on a TAM/elim one of those days
Hey +Fatal1ty *EPIC* Gameplay.
I just hope it doesn't get swarmed by nasty players since its going free to play, UT is a great game and one that I played growing up and it gave me fond memories, I really hope it isn't ruined because of this F2P model :/
wow, I made one of the earlier comments, and it was vastly misinterpreted due to the troves of ignorance that comprised the other comments made by other people afterwards, as well as those directly before... pre alpha, people. it's basically just a general map layout/engine test, as several other commenters were all to eager to point out... they wouldn't have to keep reiterating that same point if people weren't all to eager to not have a brain... then again, this is youtube comments, which is only a few steps above the internet's armpit (if you know that to which I refer, good for you :P want a cookie?)
Early stages in game development is where the gameplay core is decided at. This seems like Epic want to stay in the UT3 gameplay department :/ If you don't complain now, then it's later on already gonna be too late because Epic has locked down the gameplay. Once stuff is locked down, they aren't gonna change it since they got so far in the development. So this is why it's essential to bring up the flaws of Unreal Tournament 2014 at this stage already.
it's me or is it really slow ? =(
What the game really needs is higher speeds ... for the projectiles! Rockets need to be used to hit directly on target like a projectile, not for the splash damage. Link gun primary needs speed to be usable to all. Biogun the same. Shock rifle secondary perhaps too, with some other nerf to counter imba shombos.
Projectiles need to work directly, be themselves, not for an extra effect. Otherwise Link will forever be useless.
Unreal was always different from Quake, because of different strafe jump system and movement system u need to spam strafe all the time, maybe this is the weakest part of it - idk. But always nice to see something new and i hope this time its gonna be better...
Looks like the movement is as high gravity and limited as UT3.
UT2003/2004 allowed you to do more with just character movement which I think is a big part for why it had such a long living community and a core game that supports many maps, mods, and game modes.
This looks like UT3 which died off pretty quickly and was my personal biggest game purchase regret to this day.
Also projectiles seem to fly pretty slow. I don't like where this is going...
I think they should add some hazard areas around the map, like mortal kombat maps, if you go near this, that will happen ecc.. Some map fatalities kinda
i joined today =) my very first shooter was ut 99. latest one looks promising :)
im guessing no onslaught
I liked the color palette in UT04, something that is missing in the dark grey UT3 :(
Got a few kilos on :P Nice showcase!
Looks fun :)
Love that !
Is he really playing it using a CONTROLLER???
I don't get why people say "DON'T COMPLAIN 11111 Its pRE ALPHA !112412" If you don't complain you'll get a game that's shit, so endure the complaining it's not because people just hate the game it's because they truly WANT it to be good, use some logic please.
Reflex looks more promising.
Epic pretty much burnt all bridges with UT3, if they want to be taken serious at all again its them alone that has to step up on the platter and SHOW it this time around.
Instead of the hot air they where spweing and heavy censoring they did back then.
If half of you people saw what your favourite games looked like at a concept level, you would never have bought them.
dies in the Last 10 seconds :( I was hoping for a perfect
Nice to see the UT franchise evolving and taking new directions....oh wait it looks just like all the rest with no innovation added to the game for the last decade...should do well.
Dear people who have never seen a development cycle: this is Pre-Alpha. Nothing is done. Shit breaks. This is not UT3. This is not UT4 (yet).
Graphics are as basic as possible because textures are constantly changed and broken because nothing is done.
Weapons are placement weapons or weapons from UT3 because shit breaks and the new models aren't done.
Gameplay is slow because the design for the new game is not done, needs to be tested, and will break and break and need tweaks and break and tweaks until they are acceptable. They will then be tweaked, broken, and tweaked again for the next 1-2 years.
Maps are simplistic because they are not done and may be broken by broken textures and other tools that were not done when the map was added.
If you don't understand this explanation in it's simplest form: You don't deserve to complain about any bugs that arise in the later development cycle, because you didn't understand what went into causing them, nor what will have to be done to fix them. You also should fuck off and just wait for open-beta, so you can complain about lag when you have dial-up.
Thank you for your attention..now take your ass back to playing COD.
I understand that this is a pre alpha build but.... This doesn't look too promising. This game looks slow as shit.
the pre alpha looks really cool until now, i like the flak cannon they have. the only thing i dont like is, WHEN I PLAY THE WEAPONS LOOK SO FAR AWAY FROM ME D:
why do the guns have to look super futuristic... ake them more simple! ut99 or ut2k4 style!
Too bad there really wasn't any competition to see if the gameplay was anything approaching balanced/competitive.
Some people do spawn with shields, they are called cheater administrators. I run in to these kind playing UT3. I hate fucking cheaters. I hope UT4 eliminates all cheating and bunny hoppers!
no more bunny hopping?
All I can say is that this game looks and feels like iOS FPS game Eliminate pro. Amazing.
This looks slower than UT3, unless it's the FOV or Fat's style. Very mixed feelings about this. It's like UT3's engine trying to emulate UT99, but the scale of the maps, all the assets they're using, and the weapons themselves look highly reminiscent of UT3. I know this is an early stage of development but I hope they sort their shit out.
Well, I've played it some and I must say that it feels a lot better in practice than it actually looks. I quite like the feel of the gameplay though it'll take some getting used to coming from 2k4 which is a lot more hitscan dominant. Funny to see how uncomfortable Fat looks with the movement though - I guess UT2k3 was quite some time ago!
Man his aim in this game... He needs to learn how to use the weeps more
I LOVE UT :D
Nobody is seeding the dam torrent file wtf
looks like open arena with ut3 guns
I don't know the UT's limitations, but this gameplay looks... lame.
Congratulations, you just discovered what a "Pre Alpha" is.
NeoReaper98 Is Fatal1ty a pre-alpha? My apologies.
***** No no no, the game is in "pre-alpha" aka, not even close to finished.
But yes, UT3 was this slow and lame...UT2004 was utter bliss (fast and frantic)
jesus man, pre alpha version is basically just the engine and core gameplay elements + physics and stripped ragdoll modelling probably. it will look great and feel great when it gets beta. you'll see something cool there I bet
He wasn't even utilizing wall dodges or slope dodges. As said though, this is a pre-alpha.
Thank goodness this is all placeholder.
The weapons are just cringe inducing. Doesn't look fun to play.
Well it's not really going to PLAY any different. The weapons will be remodeled and given animations. I don't see what's not fun about this, unless you never played UT before.
Well this is a Alpha.
So your comment is kinda pointless.
Plus I've played through all them.
noob
That isn't a word nerd.
just like UT3
I miss the more rugged ancient Roman type armor in a gritty modern setting and less of the flashiness that UT has become known for. Its all cartoony with lame movement animations(UT had THE best movement of any shooter that hasn't been topped IMO) It was as if they tried to make a UT/Q3 hybrid instead of a true UT game. I have a feeling this new one will be more of the same. They just don't seem to understand what made the first one great. I wish they would just remaster the original so it would be more compatible with newer hardware(including mice) custom crosshairs for every weapon, graphical upgrade while keeping the original gameplay physics etc. Don't make it flashy, make it gritty(graphically). Lots of hud options ETC Make sure you release the proper amount of information(source I guess?) so that Anti-Cheat can be implemented so its not completely ruined by cheaters a la UT3. UT4 should have realistically proportioned character models. Example of what I mean by "gritty". The sniper rifle could look like a more old fashioned realistic rifle(similar to the original) You can render it well(I hope you do) but it doesn't have to be some super high tech flashy, super colourful, alien, cartoon looking thing. The overall vibe should be like a bleak, unprosperous, desolate future, almost steampunk but not. Some maps could even seem like they are falling apart with lifts/elevators that stutter and shift with a grinding sound and sparks as they rise because they are falling apart.