Why You Should Recreate Shots From Films
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
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Everyone's favourite lighting exercise - recreating shots from films! But is it actually useful? I would say yes - any practice is good practice - but when it comes to painstakingly recreating a shot from a film perfectly, I think it may be a little unhelpful, at least in the grand scheme of developing our own looks and practices. Instead, taking influence from a film's lighting or composition and making it your own can be far more beneficial when creating an image. We're simply using these influences as a base, tweaking them for own scenarios - and since we're not going for a perfect recreation - we're inadvertently adding our own touch and vision. Therefore, creating our own image, with it's own look.
This applies to any creative field, as we're all influenced in conscious and subconscious ways by different creative mediums and even the world around us. You're simply taking - in this case, a library of film stills from ShotDeck - using them as influence, translating them into your own look and developing them into set of practises you can then go on to use in your future work. I think this is why you should recreate shots from films - just not necessarily in the perfected form you might first imagine!
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Camera:
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Video Contents:
0:00 - Recreating Inherent Vice
3:16 - Recreating Ain't Them Bodies Saints
6:18 - Lighting with Colour 5 Part Mini Course/Thank You Patrons!
6:43 - Researching/Recreating Roger Deakins
7:46 - Mixing Our Film Recreations into One Shot
10:48 - Shotdeck Recreation Contest!!
11:11 - Support My Channel/Get Extended Videos 
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Everyone's favourite lighting exercise - recreating shots from films! But is it actually useful? I would say yes - any practice is good practice - but when it comes to painstakingly recreating a shot from a film perfectly, I think it may be a little unhelpful, at least in the grand scheme of developing our own looks and practices. Instead, taking influence from a film's lighting or composition and making it your own can be far more beneficial when creating an image. We're simply using these influences as a base, tweaking them for own scenarios - and since we're not going for a perfect recreation - we're inadvertently adding our own touch and vision. Therefore, creating our own image, with it's own look.
This applies to any creative field, as we're all influenced in conscious and subconscious ways by different creative mediums and even the world around us. You're simply taking - in this case, a library of film stills from ShotDeck - using them as influence, translating them into your own look and developing them into set of practises you can then go on to use in your future work. I think this is why you should recreate shots from films - just not necessarily in the perfected form you might first imagine!
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I have to say Rob I come back to your cinematography videos more than most other channels.
Your explanations are fantastic and the composition/lighting of your shots are always spot on. Keep up the great work mate!
I'm very happy to hear that! I always try to make videos that have some sort of longevity and can be watched again so it's great to know you're coming back and watching them again! Thank you so much!! :)
You are becoming my "go-to videographer" whenever I need to learn something new ! Always well explained and concise. 🙏
Wow thank you so much! That's great to hear and I'm happy I'm helping you to learn new things, that's awesome! Comments like these always make creating these videos feel very much worth it - so thank you! :)
He really is inspiring mate ❤
The combination of the techinques used in each frame and it's translation into a scene of your own is the way to still like an artist.
Thank you so much Danami, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! :)
NOTE: I was a film student a few years back and our professor literally had as our final project to do exactly this...we had to pick a screen capture from a film we really liked and try to reproduce it using a FILM camera and cinema lighting...we had a few great projects as a result..thanks for this video!! I'll take some notes here!
Great tip on perfection, and creating something that's your own!
I don't want to throw shade at other channels, but you are the only channel I have seen who has tried to replicate shots from movies and actually pulls it off. Amazing work, and the reason I look forward to your videos!!
Thank you so much Sean! I've definitely seen some better ones than mine haha! I'm happy you look forward to videos and hope you usually get something out of them! :)
This video was so well done. This is the first of yours I've seen but just by glancing at your channel it definitely won't be the last. You're so clear with how you explain things and I can't wait to try out this method of analyzing scenes for lighting and combining them to create something unique. Funnily enough, I do something similar with books I read and random things I learn, distilling them down into their core ideas and combining them, but I've never thought to do it with lighting. Again, amazing video. Can't wait to watch all the other ones!!
As I'm planning out the next school year, I will be embedding this into my unit studies for my film/video students. I REALLY appreciate this clip and your channel (that I just found). THANK YOU!
As always, Rob, nice work.
Thank you so much, RE, for teaching me so much! Compared to other filmmakers explaining light, you make it very understandable and something that one does not need to be afraid of.
This is brilliant. Incredible as always Rob.
I appreciate it and I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you! :)
Always incredible, man. Keep rockin! Greetings from Brazil!
Thank you Ruan! 😊 greetings from the UK!!
I just found this content. Amazing advice for own learning process. Great outcome, and thank you for sharing this knowledge with us.
Always great stuff Rob!!
Thank you so much! Glad you're enjoying the videos!
This was so fucking well done ... seriously .. chef's kiss.
Quality content as always, great idea! Was thinking the same thing for a horror short I'm planning it really helps to breakdown what the pros are doing in every aspect of filmmaking.
Absolutely - when you're planning it can give you a base look/feel to aim for, then you can develop it into your own :)
Amazing work . Thank you 🙏
Incredible stuff
Big Rob another great video!! Thanks for the tutorials
Thanks Jason! Happy you're enjoying them!
Hey Rob, just wanted to say I believe you and wandering DP make the best cinematography content on RUclips! Please keep uploading :)
Thank you so much! I love the Wandering DP too! I will keep uploading! :)
the coolest part about your channel is that you not only teaches but give us tools to learn by ourselves, you're a the best Rob!
Thank you so much Luis! I'm glad that comes through in the videos!! :)
Brilliant as always.
Thank you Nicholas!!
Amazing Video! I always learn something new when i come to your channel
Always good to hear! Thanks so much for watching! :)
Thank you so much for this. Incredibly helpful and simple to follow. Really appreciate all your videos. It's also nice to see that you still get some usage out of the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera.
Happy to hear it - thank you so much! Yeah I still love the Micro and the 2.5K - both were used here to grab the BTS shots - and I shot the last Shutterstock Turorials video with the 2.5K. Beautiful cameras!
This was really awesome. You truly have a gift for teaching sir. Will definitely look into your Patreon.
Thank you so much! Happy to hear you learnt from my video and I really appreciate the support!! :)
Great material! A source for hours of studies and practice. Thanks!
Thank you Bernado, happy to hear it!! :)
I will never get enough of these
Thanks Ernesto, happy to hear you're enjoying my videos!
@@RobEllisCinematographer Your response to my comment has made my year. My Mystical RUclips Lighting Mentor has responded to me. -No, thank you, Rob!
@@ErnestoSosa no way! It's the least I can do to thank you for showing your support - I really appreciate it! :)
Got this assignment first year of film school, did a shot from there will be blood, didn’t really know a lot about cinematography then, but with 4 years of experience I can say it was super helpful in setting off my learning process.
And I'm taking inspiration from you, mate. Really enjoying every informative video you post. Keep up the amazing work, and one day I'll try some of your magic on my own work!
Thanks so much Bo, it's always appreciated! Making images or art in general is all about inspiration and using it to put your own spin on things - and that inspiration can come from anywhere, even outside of the medium you're working in! I'd love to make a longer video on the topic one day, but I feel like it would me take me a year to write haha!
@Rob Ellis Well, start then! We'll be there a year from now, hopefully.😜
I’ll watch your videos before I go on a shoot to get inspired 💪
That's awesome - thank you so much! 😄
Rob, your fulsome videos are in a league of their own! And I hardly agree, emulating film looks that one is drawn to is a excellent place to learn lighting and mood recreation. Your video are such a source of technical know how, combined and blended with inspiration. Much appreciate what you provide on your channel.
Thank you so much for your kind words Gregory! I really appreciate it and I'm glad you're finding my videos both useful and a source of inspiration! :)
very informative and precise thank you!
Happy to hear it! Thank you so much!
thank you
Damn I wish I watched this before the contest ended
Great exercise, I really appreciate your teachings. Than you
Thank you! ☺
Why are u so brilliant
Thank you
Thank YOU! 😄
Well thanks a whole lot Rob...
You hooked me in and ended up getting me to binge watch your channel for i dont even know how long now.
Tremendously job well done on everything!
I do have a question though...
Is that you talking in the voiceovers or do you have someone do it?!
Wow thank you so much Josh! Happy to hear my channel is binge-able, that's great haha! That is indeed me talking in the voiceovers! :)
This was awesome, I’m a complete beginner with cinematography and it’s something I want to get into. Feel like I learned tons from this. As you said,it’s not a direct copy, it’s being influenced by what others have done. Fantastic work Rob.
Happy to hear it! It's great to think about the process of visual inspiration and developing your own looks and techniques over time - and it tends to happen naturally anyway! Thanks Paul!
@@RobEllisCinematographer no worries at all Rob. Be interesting to see what my own looks and techniques will be like. Will check out your other videos mate!
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It’s refreshing that the obsession with recreating stills from features has at least been modified to use them as inspiration but I am always struck by the fact that all lighting is based on some incredibly simple and repeatable principles and everything after that is down to having the right equipment. I am amazed by the sheer cost of putting together even the most simple lighting set up that could be considered professional. Ie able to control the light in a typical scene. Bts from films is most valuable to show that none of this is rocket science. If you have a dude standing around to Hollywood a reflector or catch light then great and maybe you don’t have the money to buy stands to boom over heads. The list goes on. Once you have access to modifiers, flags and the general on set clutter of c stands anything is possible and super easy. This is all very basic physics founded in the world we all already see around us every day. Like cooking a great meal the cooking is basically timing. If you don’t have the ingredients to hand and an oven then forget it. It’s beans on toast.
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I do this kind of recreations, but not for inspiration, just for learning purposes. I am a beginner, so it helps me a lot
A filmmaker on RUclips that focuses on the craft instead of the the gear 👍 Saying that, I just picked up the S5 which I know you have. Any recommendations on cages and cable clamps? 😁
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I never recreate a test/exercise/experiment verbatim. I endeavor to include the locality's intrinsic attributes and I always add my own "touch!" I tend to do the same with interesting camera movements I've stumbled across.
Absolutely, every shot is different and adapting to what needs to be captured, adding your own touch and developing that skillset is an important (and satisfying) process!
Really fan of ur work, I'm learning a lot though, I'm just using a phone, phone sensor in low light really struggles.
Thank you, happy to hear it! Even on pricier cameras it's usually best to avoid low light, using artificial lights to light a "low light" scenario and bringing exposure down in post is always a good way of dealing with this!
joining the patreon asap! Wondering, How do you decide when you are going to use an LED panel for the bounce vs a spot light?
Thank you so much for your support!! :) it usually depends on the situation and what I'm lighting - it may be that LED panels are more flexible due to RGBWW/bi colour (although this is beginning to change with some of the new COB lights coming out) - but in particular in this video, with the Inherent Vice setup, the lights needed to be right next to the bounce - with the soft Gemini panels it ensured I could get a good amount of spread across the bounce since a panel is a larger source to start with than a single chip COB, for example!
@@RobEllisCinematographer incredible, thank you so much man, that makes total sense. I'm in the beginning stages of purchasing some lights so ill definitely check out a panel of some kind. I have so many more questions for you haha but ill reach out in the patreon!
@@lostboytreasure3210 absolutely, ask me as much you want on there - always happy to help and it's the least I can do to say thanks for your support! 😄
I noticed the main differences between yours and the original is simply the colour choices of wardrobe and set objects
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Great stuff
What was camera WB For first shot?
Huge fan of your work! I have a quick question though. A lot of youtube videos that try to recreate movie scenes always look too "clean" in comparison. In your inherent vice comparison, the movie image has a texture that is hard to quantify. This issue has driven me crazy over the last few years, since I can't figure it out. Is it that these new digital cameras are just too sharp? Any help would be awesome!
Thank you so much! Inherent Vice was shot on 35mm film, so you've got grain in the image, less resolution, and likely some other characteristics of film creating this texture - mine was shot on a 6K digital camera which produced a sharp, clean image in comparison. I could have used some film emulation techniques to introduce these film characteristics to my image and better match the shot, but the video needed to be out on a certain date and I didn't quite have the time! The fact that it didn't entirely match also helped with the point I was making about it being hard to precisely match a shot from a film and to not worry too much about it in the grand scheme of things - so it worked out okay!
@@RobEllisCinematographer Thank you for the kind response! I've seen many people add film emulation and grain to their digital camera footage and it still doesn't look like film. I feel like everyone is searching for that "magic sauce" if you will to make digital look like film and the only time I've ever seen it is in big budget hollywood movies. It's so frustrating haha!
When lighting a scene do you primarily look at the lighting result in camera and then adjust the lighting, or do you look at it with the naked eye to get it right, then look through camera and adjust white balance etc to make the camera vision look like it does to the naked eye?
It's a mix of both! The more you do it, the more you can eyeball the scene and predict how it probably looks in camera - but it's also a massive help to be able to see a monitor with a display LUT so you know for sure you're in the right ball park for how you want the final image to look. It can get tough if you're shooting a dark looking scene at a low ISO and you're blasting the scene with light, as it looks a little different on the monitor! Also, light measuring tools help massively in figuring out how things look in your head - if you can measure contrast ratios with a light meter you can basically light a scene without even having the camera set up!
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My issue with this has always been 2 things.
The lights I own (it's a matter of biting the bullet buying crap light first just to practice I bet).
And lighting "air": How do you go about lighting yourself? Back in film school you always has SOMEONE to look at while setting it up, and currently, looking at a empty chair doesn't really help...
You can get a lot of decently powered lights with different features nowadays for way cheaper than you used to be able to. There's a 2 part video on my channel about lighting with only 1 light - ruclips.net/video/aDg6LIL-slY/видео.html - and a video demonstrating some lighting setups with some pocket LED panels - ruclips.net/video/Qemfhh3XAFE/видео.html - that might be able to help you think about how you can work with less rather than more!
You don't necessarily have to light yourself like I do for most of these videos, it's obviously much easier to film someone else! But things like wireless follow focus and wireless video transmission helps and they're cheaper than ever too, I use the Nucleus Nano and the CineEye 2. I did used to shoot these videos without either, but it was quite frustrating - focusing on a pillow where I was going to sit, hoping I would sit in the exact right place, etc, but somehow I managed haha. I've got a video coming out in a few months on this topic!
@@RobEllisCinematographer Thanks for the reply. Yeah I try using friends.
But I always come up with lighting ideas at 2 AM, hardly the “ideal” time ;)
@ haha yeah the middle of the night is always the best time for ideas, I'm the same!!
Just ordered amaran 60D and ls 60.
Hoppfully that’s enough to make me look pretty.
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Hey Rob quick question. For the audiosocket 1 month free link, which plan do I need to pick in order to get that first month free?
Hey Bryce - I'm not 100% actually, you may be able to find out if you click through to the point where you enter the code (I'm assuming its possible to get to that stage without paying!) - but I'll get in contact and find out for you!
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You use natural or bleached or even sometimes black muslin material?
Yes - it's all good material for different scenarios!
hello,is there a website which got the film stills showed in your video?
Yes, shotdeck.com
But what if I don't know how????
Nice. This is a closeup recreated. What about recreating car flying over the city like in Blade Runner? Just joking :D
Hahaha I love it :D
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Thanks Hafiz! Hope the video helped in some way!
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Another thorough, efficient and, shall I say, illuminating video. You're a lighting gangster.
Now in the process of attempting to recreate this lighting/shot from Redbeard:
ruclips.net/video/QsLQWwfPYsk/видео.html
Cheers and THANK YOU!
Thank you so much Lance! Let me know how it goes! :D
You kind of look like Nick Drake
I have a list stored in my head of all the comments mentioning I look like a celebrity/famous figure - this is not one I've heard before! Haha!
So "we" is just you? Lol. Nice job haha
Haha yes but in the context of you watching and learning along with the video - it's "we" 😄 "we" has always sounded more involving to me!
Rooney Mara and Wakeen Phoenix...coincidence?
Haha actually I had no idea until you wrote this comment! Wasn't on my radar!
The imediate difference that caught my eye in the thumbnail is the lack of sharpness/detail in your shot. RUclipsrs are obsessed with the "soft look" because its "cinematic" meanwhile hollywood looks sharp.
Did you mean the other way round? Because my shot is way too sharp compared to the film still haha, the shot from Inherent Vice is much softer than mine as it was shot on 35mm! I needed to soften and grain up mine to match it better, but then that wouldn't quite carry the message of the video :)
@@RobEllisCinematographer Soft and blurry on the left, signs of halation. Sharp and detailed on the right, it pops.
@@hufman9807 you might be looking at contrast/micro contrast - I can assure you it's sharper - you can see it on the video! Edit - grain will also add texture to an image and from a distance it may appear to be more detailed due to this!
@@RobEllisCinematographer Actually, you know what it is: DOF. Inherent vice uses a much deeper depth of field, while your shirt and even nose is out of focus.
@@hufman9807 you're right, that's probably contributing also! Along with the slightly different angle, the likely different focal length, probably with differently positioned lights and modifiers... which as discussed in the video, is why I don't think perfectly recreating an image is helpful the majority of the time!
I’ll always keep your videos on a production iPad for quick reference on set. 💪 You seriously need to consider writing a gaffers handbook or something… Get in touch with focalpress…
Wow thank you so much Craig, super happy my videos are helping you with work! I don't think I have the credentials to write something like that to be honest haha, I'm really just someone who loves creating images and learning the whys and hows!
@@RobEllisCinematographer Thank you for making these video guides! At the big lighting workshops they tell you the $$$ method to get a look, lots of fun but doesn’t always work for a scenario. you’ve developed techniques that I can utilize even on smaller budget ads - embracing the fun of the craft 🥂 to your achievements