The Truth Behind The Faked Tasmanian Tiger Footage!
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2024
- Who was behind the Tasmanian Tiger images and why have we not heard any updates. Let's theorise.
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I hope it goes without saying to not send hate towards anyone in particular. The truth will eventually come out.
*EDIT* Added a breakdown timeline of when things came out.
At the end of the day if what i say holds some weight and my claims are founded. Forrest has made what money he wanted from the video and archesuchus got some good visibility on his work.
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The mouth looking like "[" instead of "
Entire thylacinus genus more like
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In a time with A.I. , photoshop and 3-D animation, I find it weird that so many people see pictures as definitiv proof for things like that.
Not that they are completely worthless. You can always check meta data, check for any hints of photoshop work, etc.
But barely anyone wants to do all that work.
It's kinda scary ngl
Still watching beaver after all theses years huh lol your a true fan bro
Most people will initially believe someone that claims is saying the truth.
Then comes the disproving and stuff.
archesuchus has revealed their face and voice on their yt channel (just called "archesuchus"), they don't look or sound anything like zack. worst thing's worst, they're just the person to take the pics
Another detail that doesn't lineup is that Archesuchus had the puppet. So why would they edit together pictures of the puppet they already had, instead of taking completely new pictures to be untraceable?
To make them look even worse on purpose. They wanted to trick Forrest to show him as a bad source of information, while also able to insert their work in to Channel back some internet traffic to themselves. If they used just the doll they couldn’t show it off as their art, and it might be considered to convincing to count as a getting one over on Forrest.
What I was gonna say, that is NOT Archesuchus at all!
Archesuchus has clarified it on May 15 and May 25 on Twitter. It's not him and the pictures are not his puppet.
@@nimravideos3058Andresuchus is lying.
The photographs are obviously of their puppet, in some of the photos the stripes and heel placement (which is inaccurate in Andre’s model) are a 100% match.
Any discrepancies can simply be explained by Andresuchus photoshopping or digitally touching up the photos before they were sent to Forrest.
Now it’s probably not Andresuchus in the Forrest interview, but whoever it was is clearly in contact with Andresuchus as that ‘turtle guy’ comment was an obvious troll
As soon as i saw the jaw i knew it was faked it doesnt even has a nose
Youd be surprised how much dogs and cats can open their mouth
The fake model was very realistic there was a problem with the story many problems even
I dont blame forest fir thaat tho I know I could've too
@omarsali2990 no I'm talking about how the jaw is [ instead if < as far as I'm aware there isn't an animal that opens its mouth with a [ shape
@@kazu_thorn true not only that there arent any wrinkles on the picture even if it could open the mouth like that it would have wrinkles when doing
my mom was highly disappointed when she saw this was fake
ofc it’s fake
@@paimon3979 i tried to tell her this but she wouldn’t believe me
@@paimon3979 she did know that when beaver said smth
@@streakycandy656 *S H E* ?!
@@paimon3979 yea my mother is a female
I do believe those pictures are 100% fake (don't get me wrong) but Archesuchus has a youtube channel and they do talk more clear in a update video. However, I don't believe they are the "turtle man" and from what I know about Arch, this is something I really don't see them doing.
Yeah also the guy (from what we see of him) doesn’t sound or look like Archesuchus either
@@RandomShortGuy528 exactly
literally like its nothing like what arche does at all ?? its a mix of coincidence, stealing a wip photo to use as a base, and then just creating the animal using the same sources archesuchus used for theirs.
The guy in the interview appeared to be reading from a script so the obvious answer is that Andresuchus got someone else to do the interview to distance themselves from the photos.
Late but arche twitter says he lives in Chicago, turtle guy said he lives in chicago and flew straight from Chicago to Tasmania.
I really don’t think it was Archesuchus since we know what Arche looks and sounds like from Arche’s RUclips, if it was Archesuchus who sent them he wouldn’t have cobbled his own images together
The missing piece of the puzzle in that case would be who got a hold of those images and how?
@@AGamingBeaver personal theory of mine: they potentially had a falling out with someone they know personally (either online or IRL) that’s enacting petty vengeance
Either way Arche needs to speak on this. Not really something they can ignore anymore
Edit: Arche has spoken. And it’s starting to lead more credence to my theory
All of their fake cryptid photos they post have the exact same look and editing done to them
But someone else could've done the interview like a friend
It could be their friend group pranking the other youtuber
@WildWorld81 truthfully that sounds rather reasonable
May be this just a mistake or I’m just dumb or isn’t the (person I can’t spell) bio say I’m a young lady and I think beaver call the person a he? Idk though maybe just a small mistake. But seems pretty hard to deep fake something like that. Or maybe there’s an obvious thing I’m missing if so sorry.
I thought I heard "Archesuchus" before, but when you showed the picture at 6:38 I remembered him from the Weird Bird series
weird birds is goated
archesuchus and the person in the interview are two different people,the biggest thing that sorta stops this from being archesuchus is that archesuchus began modelling their thylacine on the 13th may. way before there could even be any picture taken of the full complete model
I have it dated to the 9th of May but if this was planned then those pictures could have been posted slowly after it was already completed to give the illusion that it couldn't be them. Honestly who knows really it's all speculation though
The question I now have is why would Archesuchus go out of his way to take pics of his puppet, then take those pics and use them to make fakes with editing and send them to Forrest. Why not just take an entirely separate set of photos in the dark outside one night and send those. Why the extra hoops? Personally, I think it would make more sense if someone else took Archeauchus's photos and made the fakes from those.
humans are naturally lazy and no one would put in extra effort if there was a easier way to get better results so yeah it's probably not Archesuchus
If somebody else did fake the photos, then the question is how did they get ahold of them before Archesuchus posted the photos?
@Stooltoad5017 Agreed... but it just doesn't add up. Unless you want to believe that Archesuchus created the fakes for the soul purpose of being debunked by people who know a thing or two about editing and in doing so making Forrest look bad. It's kind of petty to go so far to undermine someone you don't like.
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@@blayde224 Archesuchus likely contributed in the creation of those images, but not with the intent of being hoaxes, rather, he was probably making something for his Weird Birds project, and the images were stolen.
It’s also good to mention that in the photo at 3:44 the thylacine doesn’t have a nose, you can see exactly where one should be but it matches the colour of the background.
Well let’s see if forrest will eventually make an expedition to Papua New Guinea, where he thinks is potentially the last stronghold of the thylacine.
But, if it turns out not to be, let’s see how the cloning process might turn out.
Either way, it seems that we might eventually see the thylacine in one way or another
It’s you
@@Cult-of-the-sun it’s a me
I seen alot of vi saying cloning a tylacine is a fictional thing cause its closes relative is nothing like it while for something like a mammoth is more plausible cause you have elephants which are very similar
@@AKayani559 ye, this is the one thing that I’m still speculative about, but in the other hand, there’s also this one concept I’ve heard that theirs a possibility to make a artificial uterus for the cloned Fetus.
But I’m not much of a science expert on that one, so let’s see how the scientist will figure that out.
And again, there’s also this small possibility that they might be hanging out in Papua New Guinea.
But again we have to wait and see if they will ever make an Expedition and find anything
@@thelittleal1212How would you get the Cloned tazmanian tiger baby in the first place?
I think he's in the good even if it's fake. He did say throughout the video that he was not confirming he thought it was real but i think he's so emotionally involved in finding one that he showed a major amount of excitement. I can't fault him for that. He has rediscovered a couple extinct species in his work.
Archesuchus is most definitely not involved with this hoax. The person in the interview looks and sounds absolutely nothing like Archesuchus. And based off of Archesuchus’ history it would be extremely out of character to hoax a sighting like this. However, I do believe the person in the interview did steal/manipulate Archesuchus’ art to create the hoax images.
Tbh I don’t even really keep up with Archesuchus’ work aside from checking in occasionally. But it’s pretty ill to just accuse Archesuchus of contributing to this hoax. Damaging their career and art in the process.
Arch is not the turtle guy. On twitter in a response to your tweet showed a selfie and ARCH LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE SO CALLED TURTLE GUY.
arch is the turtle guys friend. you know how it was the turtle guys friend who contacted forrest first? That guy had a dog in his pfp and that dog is identical to archesuchus dog
I really still wouldn’t give Forrest the benefit of the doubt here. He’s a known grifter and parachute biologist who’s been more or less ostracized by the academic community. He needs to have at least some consequences for what is at minimum gross irresponsibility on his part
Especially given that he’s now hocking mockumentary footage of a Steller’s sea cow supposedly saying it’s extant in GREENLAND of all places (thousands of miles in both directions from its historic distribution) tells me that not everything is as it seems. This has a serious negative implication on legit conservation and searches to rediscover missing species (animals that may still be extant but are only known from the holotype from 50-100 years ago).
At this point Archesuchus needs to speak out as well, because, though I have my suspicions (still leaning on it not being them), only their words will completely clear things up for better or for worse. What would confuse me is why? Why let pettiness get so far that you implode your own career over it. Personally I think it’s someone who knows Arche well either online or IRL who is enacting petty vengeance for whatever reason
Forrest doesn’t need to be tricked by a hoax to screw with his credibility. He’s done that for years already at this point
There is still something missing that's for sure. But both Forrest and Arche have let this lie they seem happy for things to be the way they are
@@AGamingBeaver unfortunately the bigger question will be, will their respective communities let it lie as it is? Many of Forrest’s fans are now looking for proverbial blood as a result of this. Which is really not good
And none of the "scientific" work he's done was ever published which is kinda the whole point.
@@cryodrakonboreas8628 exactly this here. And had Forrest done his due diligence we wouldn’t be in this situation
@@AGamingBeaverArche did nothing? Could you not just assume?
Beaver, you with these investigations videos are awesome!!!!! Keep making amazing videos!!!!
i honestly love this type of content, feels more honest and diffrent from the usual videos and its a refresher from the hyper gaming content
Well said Beaver! Well said!
Agreed
except the part spouting random conspiracy theories about a kid lol
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I would be cautious in blaming Archesuchus for the fakes. It’s very possible someone stole his images and art to troll Forrest. Art is stolen from legitimate artists all the time (look at AI). Before we have definitive proof as to who is behind it, I wouldn’t blame anyone, especially since many say that Archesuchus sounds and looks nothing like Zack in the Forrest video.
i agree with this… i’m kinda disappointed beaver is kinda throwing caution to the wind with these theories while chastising other creators for doing it
This video could be considered defamation of character in a court of law as it disparages Archesuchus' integrity without actual proof.
I could imagine Archesucus wanting to humiliate Forest but this is too sloppy I cannot imagine him doing it this way . the best way for Archesucus to humiliate Forest would be to get a friend to give Forest the fake photos and to do the interview with a fake story wait for him to make the video and then after a few days release a video or a post or something going over how he created the model and the fake images .
if Archesucus was the one orchestrating these fakes and wanting to humiliate Forest it just doesn't make sense for him to do it in such a sloppy way it especially doesn't make sense for him to release photos a day before the video because if you're faking something with a physical prop you never reveal the prop before the hoax's becomes public and if I'm clever enough to know that so is Archesucus.
pretty much in conclusion the fakes are too messy to be orchestrated by Archesucus with the information we have it doesn't make sense for him to have been behind the fakes he might be involved but he is not the mastermind
Ps the fake images don't actually look like they're using the prop instead they look like they're using images of the prop sliced together but I might be mistaken because that's not my expertise when it comes to making hoax
I'm pretty sure Turtle guy isn't Archesuches judging by their RUclips channel. The voice doesn't sound all that similar to me, and they look different. I could be wrong as I haven't seen their channel in a while.
Thing is, if Turtle Guy _isn't_ Arche, how the hell did Turtle Guy get ahold of the photos that weren't public until _AFTER_ Forrest's video came out?
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim a close friend maybe? I honestly don't know.
@jafengaming That is certainly the question.
Either way, he does need to say _something_ about this. Cause as of RN, Arche does look like the best culprit.
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim update. They just posted on Twitter
@@WildWorld81he said something about it the day of the upload!
This is how I learned there's actual footage of a thylacine and I'm absolutely stunned by how beautiful of an animal it was in life. Games and art truly doesn't compare, it's like seeing a ghost.
yeah
its just a coyote
@@badclassicalmusicthey are talking about the actual recorded footage of the animal in the past
@@JPOG7TV I know it just look slike a coyote
@@badclassicalmusic what coyotes have you been seeing? No coyote looks like a big orange opossum
The video showcasing the timeline and debunking the photos is still good.
In my opinion however, you could’ve cut out the Archesuchus call-out in the re-up, it’s all still pure speculation at the end of the day. You could literally have reached out to Archesuchus for comment, and your only “evidence” is them commenting on a joke post, the coincidence post and then them having turtles, it’s so half baked.
They put out a statement on twitter about it not being them, so why would I need to ask them if it was them. They even said someone must have used his images. I still state that it's speculation and a theory. There is no call out moment that you are set on saying there is. There is still something missing from the story
When you say “Oh they already said it wasn’t them so why ask again?”
Potentially you could’ve inquired more about their like Thylacine puppet/model.
Maybe could’ve gotten more info of their understanding of how they go about making their model more life-like/convincing. Or even have another voice of perspective of knowledge of their craft which isn’t “creating hoaxes”, but creating models.
@@AGamingBeaverthis still looks extremely bad on your part, you're just sending random people to witchhunt a kid. You have a large following, and while you may not be a bad person, it doesn't mean everyone here is like that
@@megaraptora “your sending people to witchhunt” dude read the pinned comment he literally says don’t go after anyone “oh but not everyone will listen” that just isn’t his fault at all especially after they say not to target anyone
@@juaquintiscareno yes it is COMPLETELY his fault, he just stated that archesuchus did it without even contacting him or anything. james is completely in the fault here for basically sending people after a literal kid
I liked your video, but I'm worried about the part about arche, since people might start harassing them due to the claim you made even if it turns out it wasn't them and some petty friend or something or someone in a group chat, they sent photos. The internet is crazy y'know?
Still liked your video, glad you debunked the photos!
Yeah it definitely wasn’t arche
@@VenatorPaleo I also believe it probably wasn't Arche
We probably won’t get full answers unless Archesuchus decides to say something about it. If they don’t, the more likely it seems for them to be faking it.
There is no evidence of it being Arche, yet there is evidence that someone used his works to basically trick another channel. The question remains, who this person is and how he connects to Arche himself. Take a guess at who could possibly be the person to explain these details?
Arche. He is a key role in this discussion, and will remain so as long as these details aren't clear
Arch (the artist that made the thylacine model) actually has a RUclips channel. And they have a video where their face is shown. And it doesn't look like the guy in Forest galante's interview. Arch is 100% the person who made the model, but I'm not certain they're the one who orchestrated The hoax. Or at least I hope not cuz that's really not a good look.
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thats literally not what archesuchus looks like. archesuchus wouldn't need to cobble together their own puppet which is movable. them having turtles means literally nothing. archesuchus seemed pretty displeased about this whole video on their twitter.
archesuchus is behind it, Zak is his friend. beaver missed some crucial evidence out that links him together
@@marcopaulo_ Where's the evidence then?
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@@darkonyx6995 beavers latest vid has it
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To be fair the photos don't even need to be photoshopped. If the guy from the interview took the photos, who's to say he didn't just take more photos in different positions and then keep the ones on his social media looking a little bit different for deniability sake?
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Yeah
no - because his theory's are just idiotic ramblings based on his hatred for others.
@@ChromaKeyMystress he never said he hated anyone wtf? 💀
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7:34 giving me crazy vibes of his old little nightmares theory videos
Hope to see more videos in this style, I'm glad that the previous one now has am update
I swear, I can't help but to feel like Im watching a Little Nightmares theory video when Beaver does these vids, his narration adds so much mysterious vibes to the video, I Love it! Keep up the good work Beaves! ^-^
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Beaver is back!
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THE MYSTERY OF THE TAZMANIAN TIGER
Hey beaver, question out of topic, do you already know when you are going to do the JW Chaos Theory watchparty?
7:17 Archesuchus has a yt channel and they have a video where they talked in that
This feels like beavers old videos of when he did theories on little nightmares
Aha! The last one was on private.
I am still wondering what Archesuchus would have to gain from this other than making Forrest look worse. I had assumed somebody else had reused the images for their own gain but it seems that may not be the case.
I really like these videos you do debunking things.
Beaver is slowly becoming matpat for dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals
James, at this point, you should become a private investigator for prehistoric animals😂
When is the Jurassic World cast theory reaction coming out
patiently waiting for the chaos theory video
I like how Beaver suddenly went detective and noone is surprised.
Gaming beaver with this ranpo level deduction🥶🥶🥶🔥🔥
It really looks like you did your research! (I'm too lazy to actually check that though lol).
I will say, if this was Archesuchus who planned and executed this whole thing, that was pretty smart. There wouldn't be many photos to compare them to at the time, he'd be able to draw attention to his own images, and he'd be able to get some form of revenge or teach forest a lesson when the truth was discovered.
Overall, I'm glad that there is enough solid evidence to prove this as fake. An extinct creature coming back would be cool, but it also brings a lot of problems. People don't let things naturally exist. If something that rare was known, more people would look for it, people would poach it, and it might end up having to be put in an enclosure or something to protect it, limiting its freedom and possibly its lifespan.
Additionally, if the evidence were foggy, a whole bunch of other issues would be created.
Thank you, beaver, for bringing attention to this, and finding evidence to disprove it. The hoaxes people develop for their own gain are crazy (although I don't think Archesuchus had much malicious intent except maybe to get back at Forest, if it was him).
edit: Someone replied mentioning that there was more research that could have been done to find more evidence (I think the comment was deleted bcs I can't find it) so let me clarify what I meant: He did a lot of research, and did what was needed. Sure, its great to go above and beyond and get 100% of the facts, but that wasn't the goal of this video. The goal was simply to prove that Forest was fooled, and to spread awareness, and for that he achieved his goal beautifully.
Dang beavers I didn’t think you a detective, BRAVO
Hey beaver when is the chaos theory watch party it’s would be nice and it’s like season 1 and season 3 together
Ah, to bad, I was kind of hoping there was still a small population of thylosines still around
My dog's from Romania, she has 28 breeds, including 13% chihuahua, 7% Great Dane, and many more. She 's a biggish dog, so chihuahua having the highest percentage was surprising.
I just have something to say about this video, archesuchus has videos on his channel with his face and voice, he is NOT the guy who sent the pictures
I don't think theorys are your thing mate, this video just didn't make sense, there is NO chance and NO way that archesuchus is the guy who sent the pictures
I love Forrest. He’s actually so kind and hopeful. He did end up posting an update saying it was a scam
I doubt its arche, but its definetly fake. Probably his friend or someone he had a falling out with?
As a Tasmanian I never thought never would have made a video about this
Archesuchus talks on their RUclips channel.
Not saying they didn't make the pictures, but I don't think the turtle guy was them.
Beaver I feel you are perhaps being a little too quick to assume it’s arche. Some points make sense but saying that him having turtles and this guy saying he is a turtle guy really shouldn’t be used. I honestly think you could try to talk to them about it and see their side of the story. Still a fun watch and hopefully we can find out what’s really going on.
All I know for certain is that the person on the interview and arche are 100% separate people.
Archesuchus actually has a youtube channel where he speaks and shows his face if you want to compare that. I dont think he sent him the pictures.
archesuchus is the guy who contacted forrest first, his dog is literally in that guys profile pic, he just got his friend to do the interview
this is some chaos theory-level conspiracy my guy
The cut out part doesn't make sense really unless you got good enough photos for that
Although I don't think it's Archesuchus, the timing of the pics upload are suspiciously perfect to make Forest look bad. Also why would Archesuchus go himself as Zack if he wanted to orchestrate this, idk y people are ruling out the fact that it could just be a friend or something.
The jawbone thing frustrates me too. But I don't rly think that's a motive to orchestrate something this complicated straight out of a Scooby-Doo episode plot.
Zak is 100% archesuchus friend. you remember it was Zak's friend who contacted forrest first? He had a dog in his pfp, and that dog is identical to archesuchus dog
@@marcopaulo_ fr??? I'll have to watch Forest's vid again.
And where can I find Arch's dog? Does he have it on his Twitter?
@@zimrandavid3878 ye
LEZ GO ANOTHER TASMANIAN TIGER VID. But lets just hope that forrest galante does the pupua new guinea expedition to find the Tasmanian Tiger
Archduchess has a channel with short and one video if you wanna compare his voice to the hoodie turtle man
The Tasmanian tiger in the photo Forest was skeptical of reminded me of the andrewsarchus and animals of similar build in Jurassic world the game.(the first one)
Archesuchus wouldn’t start a whole hoax like this, right? They’re a pretty nice person who doesn’t seem like the tyoe to do this..?
I would like to answer the question as to how "Turtle Guy" got the photos from Archesuchus since Archesuchus most likely didn't send them, and that is to say there may be a chance that "Turtle Guy" saved the images from twitter and from there managed to put them into Photoshop and do his work from there (or let his friend do his work, to be honest, I have no clue XD)
That's all I got to say, so please don't fill the comment section with any hate towards Archesuchus or Beaver please, thanks ^^
The turtle guy is a friend of archosuchus. How do we know? Well his friend contacted forrest right? And he had a dog in his pfp. That dog is identical to archesuchus dog
Miss seeing you bro.
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Game theory has now become beaver theory
I think you did a good job on this theory Beaver! You demonstrate an actor who has means (technical skill and a puppet), motive (a dislike of Forrest and wanting to get attention for their art), and oppertunity (the culprit made the oppertunity by reaching out to Forrest and having the reference photos). More than that, you circumstanceal evidence connecting the masked person and Archesuches (the turtles), and show that only Archesuches had the opportunity to make the fake photos as only they had them at the time they were made. Also, how would Archesuches know about the video so fast, plus that the fakes used their doll? Why didn’t they give a specific example of how they used the doll photos as a base? It seems possible that they were trying to stir up intrest in their connection to the photos, starting an ARG (which they are known for creating) and bringing deserved praise to their art. Further more, the masked person and Archesuches do look and sound similar (young people with back hair and a middle/deep voice).
The final question I would have was how much would be motivated by artistic intent, wanting to gain clout, wanting to prank Forrest, wanting to bring him down a peg and reveal his poor standards, or were they perhaps working together to produce drama, content, and traffic for both?
Close enough, welcome back matpat
Hi Gaming Beaver! Big fan!
Is there going to be a chaos theory live stream
Beaver I don't get it, we have the face of the zack guy, atleast I do because in the premiere the forgot to blur his face in 4 frames, which they later did, but I have the screenshots
Can’t wait for you to review more theories on 🦕🦕Jurassic World Chaos Theory🦖🦖
On archesuchus' youtube channel his voice is revealed, I don't see too much similarities unless he uses a voice changer
Zak is not archosuchus, he is the friend of archosuchus
Forrest just really wants the Tasmanian tiger to be alive
All of us would like proof it still exists. I mean if this guy shot 12 photos, he could’ve taken a video. Which would be hard to fake.
I’ll watch this video as many times as it’s reuploaded, gotta support the homie
Last time I promise
This is an awesome video Beaver :)
bro its been like a month since i last watched ur vids tf happened when i was gone when did you shave
gaming beaver became a theorys
What’s up Beaver!?! How is your weekend going so far?
Why do we have beaver theory now 😂
Hi I love your channel
I wanna see Beaver react to Weird Birds now
Brooklyn is alive you were right I saw the end in episode 10 she was missing a arm and cut her hair but she is alive
You didnt sound like you were mocking Forrest at all haha. To me it was very clear you were mocking the turtle guy lmao
There should be a finding the Real Beaver found footage thing
Imagine his new video is I caught the tylacine
I love how james thinks.
when you realize beaver is a very logical person and not just the funny british beaver..
I havent seen beaver debunking something before! Well done!❤
are you gonna post on the new omega raids on jw alive
"Beaver points the finger of suspicion to Archesuchus"