PORT vs DIRECT vs DUAL INJECTION - a DETAILED comparison -EVERYTHING you need to know in 1 video
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- This is a detailed comparison of three different kinds of fuel injection. Port injection (or PFI), direct fuel injection (GDI or gasoline direct injection) and dual injection, which is a combination of port and direct fuel injection. We will see how each setup works, how they differ from each other and we will of course examine the benefits and drawbacks of each setup, so, let's get started.
So both port and direct injection essentially do the same thing - they inject fuel into the engine to create a combustible air/fuel mixture which when combusted creates combustion pressures which drives the piston downward causing the crankshaft to spin which then ultimately turns the wheels of the car.
As the name implies, port injection, injects fuel into the intake port of the engine, before the intake valve, whereas direct injection injects fuel directly into the combustion chamber, after the intake valves. This means that in the case of port injection you will usually find the fuel injectors somewhere on the intake manifold while in the case of direct injection the injectors will often be either on the valve cover or right underneath the intake manifold bolted to the cylinder head.
Both systems consist of essentially the same parts: a fuel tank, a fuel pump, fuel lines and injectors. However because direct injection injects into the combustion chamber it has to inject against the compression pressures of the engine which means that it must operate at much higher fuel pressures. Direct fuel injection often operates at pressures above 2000 psi or 140 bar. Of course to achieve such high pressures the direct fuel injection system must be more complex. It contains both a low pressure in-tank fuel pump and a high pressure cam-shaft driven fuel pump. The injectors themselves are also much more advanced and expensive because they must be capable of opening and closing extremely quickly against very high fuel pressure. They also need to be capable of surviving the harsh conditions created by combustion since their tips are exposed to it.
Direct injection has the advantage of enabling higher compression ratios because it supplies fresh cool fuel directly into the chamber and it injects it later which means that it spends less time inside the engine which means that it picks up less heat than it would in the case of 'port injection. Less heat means less chances of knock which gives direct injection engines more room to increase the compression ratio which can improve both performance and efficiency.
Another reason direct injection can improve performance and reduce emissions and fuel consumption is its location. Because the injector is inside the chamber it means that the amount of fuel injected is the same as the amount of fuel that gets into its chamber. Port fuel injection injects outside the chamber which means that the amount of fuel released isn't necessarily the amount of fuel that ends up in the chamber. Some of it may stick onto the walls of the intake, some may not make it into the chamber before the valve closes. This reduces injection accuracy and control which can negatively impact emissions and efficiency.
But port injection has the benefit of having the intake valves constantly exposed to fuel, a great solvent. Direct fuel injection never injects onto the back of the valves which over time leads to accumulation of carbon deposits and other gunk from the pcv system. This reduces performance and leads to rough running. Results of prevention methods such as oil catch cans and fuel system additives or valve cleaners are mixed and the need to eventually mechanically clean the valves is inevitable. This of course leads to increased maintenance costs for direct injection engines.
Another potential issue that can occur in direct injection engines is LSPI or low speed pre-ignition. This occurs at low rpm and high load (wide open throttle situations). At low rpm piston speeds are low which leads to poor fuel vaporization in direct injection engines. At the same time the high load means that the ECU instructs the injectors to inject more fuel into the cylinder. The other factor that needs to happen is a particle from the back of the valves or an oil droplet that makes it into the chamber and mixes with the poorly vaporized fuel. The mixture then gets exposed to the very high compression inside gdi engines and boom pre-ignition happens, often leading to catastrophic damage if allowed to persist.
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00:00 Injection location
02:06 Injecting against compression
04:35 Timing
06:02 Compression ratio
07:48 Knock
10:13 Fuel injected vs Fuel combusted
11:09 Vaporization
13:09 Enough fuel for high rpms?
15:18 Intake valve deposits
17:22 LSPI
19:19 Stack the benefits loose the drawbacks 
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6:30 Not a correct explanation of the efficiency gains from higher compression ratio. The Wikipedia articles for the Otto and Diesel cycles explain all this pretty thoroughly though it's too much physics for a general audience. The Wikipedia article for the Atkinson cycle doesn't give a detailed explanation.
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get Toyota to design the direct injection engine they're the best company in the world
@Trevor Brannon
No.
Watch the video.
@@fuckyoutubengoogle2 @thph
No, he's correct.
The higher the compression ratio, the more force acts upon the piston. Lower compression ratios mean more energy is lost into the fuel/air mixture as gasses are compressible whereas solids (the piston) are not.
how does this work with diesel engines? do diesel engines also have direct/ indirect and dual injection systems or are they completely different? and if they are the same do direct injection systems also have the same negative effects on the intake valves?
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My thoughts exactly
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Small detail: when a gas is compressed, it doesn't pick up heat because of friction between air molecules when they bump in each other, the bumping itself IS the heat !
Thank you. Yeah, I know the explantion isn't really scientifically accurate but I keep using the friction thing to help people visualise it. Can be a bit confusing without it. But you're right, I should still change the explanation and figure out a better way to say it.
That's right. During the (nearly adiabatic) compression phase, you put work (== energy) into the charge, so you get an increase in its temperature.
@@d4a Please pin OverStack's comment. These bots are plagiarizing the top comment and using their 'verified' tick to get upvotes. I don't know what they're on about, but something fishy is going on.
Otherwise, great video. I didn't know of the improvement in heat of the air-fuel mix in DI engines. It makes sense now.
@@d4a The vibration of the air itself is heat. A lack of vibrating molecules results in no heat, which is why space is very very cold. There's hardly any particles in the vacuum of space.
Couldn't agree more. Definitely the best video out here explaining Port and Direct Injection Techniques.
You left it implicit that the fuel passing by the inlet port will vaporize and take away substantial amounts of heat from the valve, its seat, the piston top and marginally from the whole combustion chamber. That's also the reason why sometimes the ECU will spray (and waste) MORE fuel than can actually be burnt, especially at high RPM and loads: a rich mixture will directly cool down those parts exposed to the combustion heat, out of the reach of closed circuit cooling system. Conversely, direct injection allows for a leaner charge (lower fuel consumption) and hotter combustion, without incurring in pre-ignition or knock, but this has to be carefully weighted against the thermal limits of the engine components.
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e85 for the win when turbocharged
Leaner burn is more NOx emissions, not sure what Mazda does with the spcci engine though, probably a special cat. Rich burning to cool down the cylinder is common when the load is above 10%(guess). F150 EcoBoost was so heavily criticized as mpg was terrible pulling anything. And another Mazda skyactiv engines to increase mpg in real-world driving tried to raise the point where it needed to inject more fuel, but that doesn't reflect in EPA numbers. Porsche oversized turbo and than expand the intake charge before going into the cylinder is interesting also.
@@mb7050 e85 has its own problems, the cylinder wash down effect is worse, and can cause problems with the intake valves.
@@jasonmajere2165 NOx is taken care of downstream with special catalytic converters, exaust cooling and EGR. And yes, it's a big problem, as it will "clog" converters and require their "regeneration" (wasting fuel) every 100s/1000s km...
@@AtaruMor0boshi That's particulate matter you're talking about.
I went back to the simple port injection engine on the Toyota. No direct or dual injection for me. I like reliability and durability.
Harder and harder every year.
Every manufacturer is making over complicated vehicles these days.
The Corolla is the only vehicle that keeps it simple and it is still overly complicated.
@@MurCurieux You can thank the globalist billionaire bankers and their sub-system regulatory cabals for making things stupidly expensive and complex under the pretense of earth-harm. They create a theoretical thesis way back in the early 1900's, pump the information streams with the theory for 120 years, and build their legal and regulatory systems to control the dickens out of manufacturing, engineering, and scientists while the public never cry out because the public are fed the same unproven narrative. Oh and they bought out the legal system too. It's like an international version of Al Capone's Chicago.
@@exothermal.sprocket lucky for you, you haven’t fallen for any unproven narratives!
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Another great and well explained video! I remember the old style Bosch CIS fuel injection from my 1981 VW Scirocco S. It continuously injected fuel into the intake. It didn’t need a mass air flow sensor, just a metal plate that raised when the airflow increased which then allowed the metering valve to open and allow more fuel. It was basically a teetotaler and very ingenious!
That's an airflow meter, I had one of those too. Even made a video that covers them: ruclips.net/video/bxdwzlrRc8U/видео.html
@@d4a I think He is talking about bosch k-jettronic/ke-jettronic though 🤔
basically a mechanical fuel injection system
@@aerialphotoeutin844 Oh you're right...I read metal plate and teetotaler and immediately thought of the flap on the air flow meter. K-jetronic has the round fuel distributor thing with a bunch of nozzles and the flap is in the intake if I remember correctly.
@@d4a yep, they work well when everything is good, but they are a pain when anything is a bit out of whack. The airbox typically has the fuel distributor on top with it's plate with steel braided lines going from it to the CIS injectors and you have a CIS injection fuel pump supplying the fuel to them at about 5 bar, 70-75 psi. Problems with the cold start injector or warm up regulator can make it really hard to idle when cold and they are really prone to vacuum leaks around the injector seals. Interesting concept for it's time but pure evil to work on today. :) The turbo versions were even more difficult.
@@andycanfixit the fuel injection lines are solid steel. Not steel braided.
Good video! Duel injection FTW! The ability to run a high CR and high RPM's without the need for race fuel is nice as is running a high CR and big boost without needing race fuel as well. Help with tuning giving bigger games as you can get more liberal with the tune seeing as you get the advantages of DI and PI, but each one offsets the others disadvantages. Not worrying about carbon buildup on the intake valves is a huge plus for people wanting an efficient and reliable daily drive as well.
As a graduate student in a piston engine class, I thank you greatly for this video. It made so many things my professor has been talking about clear. ❤
Excellent explanation, which has helped me tremendously in my business as a fuel Injector technician that cleans and flow tests both port and DI Injectors on a daily basis including piezo technology certification.
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Great explanation. The 2019 F150 has the dual injection setup. I the only drawback that I had known of with direct injection was the back of the valves not getting cleaned. Now I know the other drawbacks and when the port injectors are in use. One of these days if you get time maybe you could do a video on iconic cars with junk engine blocks. For example, the Grand National and the 5.0 Mustang in the 80's and early 90's.
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I'd have to do that on my Speed3 if I still had it. And I need to check the condition of the valves on my mom's 2015 Honda CR-V, which is direct injected.
I would never attempt a carbon clean without a walnut blaster. Manually picking out the carbon is for the birds.
@@SkylineFTW97 Yeah same engine. I had to replace the fuel rail and got one from a 'Speed 3 part out. I previously had a 2012 'Speed 3 (thus the name) and after doing the CX-7 I'm glad I got rid of it. (It was a really fun car tho. Legendary understeer.)
@@deciplesteve From what I've seen the walnut blast and all of the equipment is also pretty involved, but I agree! Doing it manually SUCKS.
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One factor you didn't mention, which I was actually curious to hear about; the increase in fuel temps from the higher pressures required by DI. N54 335i owner - thoroughly enjoyed this video.
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Please do a follow-up video on stratified injection. Is it really possible for the ECU to control air-fuel ratio of the charge across the cylinder height? Does it really not rely on tumbling to properly mix air and fuel? Or is it just a fancy name for VAG's direct injection system?
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Good video of how it works. Not sure if most people care or even understand what a fuel injector is. But that DI on GM engines is causing big problems with valves, and yet, some manufactures, such as Hyundai on their newer engines are using DI and PI as noted in this video. Best of both worlds.
After playing Automation Car Tycoon for a long time and using mostly direct injection. this video gave me refreshed love for port injection. Thank you d4a :)
Outstanding sir. Last year we had to have a carbon clean done on our DI engine. 650$. Ford has fixed it with their newer Turbo engines, just
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Great explanations as usual.
But one thing: due to higher compression does the heat not increase because the particles bump into each other and produce friction.
Heat is simply a higher oscillation (?) of each molecule.
Thank you for this clear explanation of dual injection.
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