Im a part of the Salzmann family, my great granfather, Alexandre De Salzmann got my family on the 4th way. As someone growing up in the groups and living by its teachings, all I can say is, Be here, now.
@useenothing True, utter rubish. Just like your comment though :) I rather be a happy fool that has been conned, then a miserable person on the internet. I also feel sorry for you, and I hope you can connect with something more valuable in your life.
Gurdjieff used to say that if you start getting disidentified from things, sooner or later you will fall upon your essential being. That is the basic meaning of renunciation. Renunciation does not mean, sannyas does not mean, renouncing the world and escaping to the Himalayas or to a monastery -- because if you escape from the world and go to a monastery, nothing is going to change. You carry the same mind. here in the world, the house was yours, and the wife was yours; there the monastery will be yours, the religion will be yours. It will not make much difference. The 'mine' will persist. It is a mind-attitude -- it has nothing to do with any outside space. It is an inner illusion, an inner dream, an inner sleep. Renunciation means: wherever you are, there is no need to renounce the things because in the first place you never possessed them. It is foolish to talk about renunciation. It means as if you were the possessor and now you are renouncing. How can you renounce something which you never possessed? Renunciation means coming to know that you cannot possess anything. You can use, at the most, but you cannot possess. You are not going to be here forever -- how can you possess? It is impossible to possess anything. You can use and you can be grateful to things that they allow themselves to be used. You should be thankful to things that they allow themselves to be used. They become means, but you cannot possess them. Dropping the idea of ownership is renunciation. Renunciation is not dropping the possessions but possessiveness. And this is what Gurdjieff calls getting unidentified. This is what Bauls call realizing 'Ardhar Manush' -- the essential man. This is what Zen people call the original face. OSHO
There are things that you carry with you that cannot be put down or gotten rid of (yet) renunciation is the time to find out what they are and choose to abandon everything but them. The first paragraph was 👌 the 2nd was meh
@@mortalclown3812 I think this video also, recognize the video was taken by secret , I understand it when watching this video , and it means at that time the intelligent services were interested in Gyurjieff .It is my opinion .
A force major but kind ,respective of the state of the beings in his space and yet encouraging thorough teaching . Eventually teaching ends for several reasons .
All time great master walk on this planet. This planet, I think, indebted for this. Just tears starts rolling on the cheek. No amount of love is enough for him.
It is such a gift to see these moving images of this extraordinary man and enlightened teacher. We are so fortunate to be able to experience movies, short though they may be, of various Masters here. Though I once studied at the Pinnacle in NY under the guidance of Irmis Popoff, a student of Ouspensky and Gurdjieff, I am now on a different path. However, the truth of 'the work' and of his teaching resonates within me to this day, and every day.
..casual encounter with just some of this man’s material in the early 1990s put me on a ‘rolling high’ for more than three years I think..still there really waiting for the ‘next time’.. 5:22
no question really. im not interested in asking u stuff. it was merely meant as a mocking of your juvenile and specifically feminine exaggeration. cheers... ;)
+Sophia Fields lol... im no jew, i can assure u. in fact i despise that people. but since u are such an expert on music and psychology why don't u elucidate for us, what are all the psychological senses? how many are there in total? can u name 10 or 20 through which u sense the music? i am sure that would help all of us to better understand and appreciate the work of Gurdjieff. cheers... :))
Thus, the I AM is the Ghost in the machine. Even though all matter is conscious even heads of cabbage, without the specific I AM a man is just a biological machine.
I started questioning my existence at the age of 7, and as a child of a Muslim family at a young age, my first stop was the Quran. Then this wasn't enough for me. At the age of 13, I decided that this was not enough and continued to search in bitter anguish. I met Osho when I was 16, and at 18 I experienced kundalini in nature for the first time. I had an extraordinary experience that I didn't believe it, things were getting deeper and I was starting to get scared but I only felt good emotions and Love, my mind was still scared, then I needed someone like me or a servant, The only thing I was passionate about in life was my desire to search, there is no one like me around me, I wish there was one in the world. It is good to know that there are people like me, we will not turn back from our path. Now I am 19 years old and sometimes I progress and sometimes I take a break. I could not focus on university because of reading spiritual books. Now I decided not to study at university. I will work and gain financial freedom with savings at an early age and continue reading the books of masters about my only passion, the search.
I gather his limp was from his auto accident. What I found fascinaing is his inner tranquility, his calm, deliberate movements. I'm willing to bet he knew he was being filmed, and projected those qualities.
He projected his essence no matter the circumstance. George did not put on a disguise in front of cameras. Whatever ease is palpable in this footage reflects the palpable ease of the lived experience so recorded. Nothing less.
@@troyano6548 Gurdjieff claimed that Man is a machine. Many contemporaries have stated this situation of consciousness or divine consciousness in the human body as being a "Ghost in the machine". Who cares? Anyone seeking to understand the separation and isolation of their true self. Meditation seeks to shut down the machine and make the divine consciousness more prominent in the individual. If you have any thoughts on this agreeing or disagreeing please share. I mean this kindly and honestly.
@@guidedmeditation2396 IMO meditation is more like deautomation.... what is a machine - a device that tends to work a given task in a automated or perfectly sequential way.... the key to automation of our body is our mind which tends to repeat itself in a given sequence... meditation tends to break that sequence because if you fully know the sequence how your mind is operating you are free from it..... like if you watch anger if someone insults you see that your body changes your mind rages .... now if you are standing away from it watching the sequence you could just watch it away like a cloud came and the sky turned dark and afterwards it is all clear....
@@guidedmeditation2396 i feel like we should make groups to share such ideas because i can't share it to any of my friends cause they'll think i am a freak
Gurdjieff used to say, sometimes to very prominent people, famous in some way or other -- great authors, painters, poets, politicians, the people who dominate this world, the great egoists.... He used to say to these people a very significant thing -- remember it. Suddenly he would say to them, "You have a very good facade." Now to say to a politician, to a president of a country or to a prime minister or to a king, "You have a very good facade," is to invite trouble. And Gurdjieff lived his whole life in trouble. But there is no other way. He also used to say, more than once.... Whenever some egoist would ask him, "Do you love me? Do you like me?" this was his answer: "For what you could be I have nothing but benevolence, but as you are I hate you -- back to your grandmother!" This is not diplomacy: this is creating enemies. OSHO
Gurdjieff certainly had a different viewpoint than many enlightened people. I am still working on sorting him out. He enjoyed toying with and preying on egoists which seems to imply he was not fully enlightened even though he was very.
Gurdjieff did not provoke trouble with people he didn't know. He certainly didn't pick fights with politicians or people of authority. i don't know where you get those ideas from.
@@guidedmeditation2396it is perhaps a method you have not heard of. The tyrant teachings also used by the Toltecs in various forms. Very fast. Not for the weak or foolish.
1.Self-Remembering; “Turning One’s Head Around” in Plato’s Cave 2.Four States of Consciousness; Plato’s Cave 3.Man as a Three Story Factory; Plato’s Harmonious Beehive, Robert Fludd 4.Hydrogens; William Prout, Vasily Grossman, Proclus 5.Food Diagram: Man as a Three Story Factory + Hydrogens 6.Negative Emotions; Stoicism 7.Enneagram; Kabbalistic Tree of Life, Abraham ibn Ezra, Athanasius Kircher, Ramon Llull 8.Four Bodies; Katha Upanishad, Theosophy 9.Higher Being-Body Crystalization; Discarnation, Stoics Soul identified with Intelligence, Daoist Inner Embryo, Vajrayana’s Rainbow Body, Pure Land Buddhism 10.Non-Identifying; Stoicism’s Objectivity, Buddhist Non-Attachment 11.Centers; Hindu Chakras, Intellectual, Emotional, Moving-Instinctive & Sub-Catogories 12.Kundabuffer; Kundalini Sleeping coiled three & a half times around Shiva Lingam, “Yoga Yajnavalkya”, Eliphas Levi’s Astral Light 13.Moon Eating the Soul; Plutrach 14.Law of 7; Apollo’s 7 Stringed Lyre, Pythagoras, Cicero, John Newlands, Ernest James Pace? 15.Law of 3; Temperance of Extremes, Dialectric of (Hegal, Heraclitus, Zeno, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle (Affirm-Deny)), Tai Chi 16.Reciprical Maintenance; Hindu Bigru, Buddhist Dharmadatu 17.The Fourth Way; Naqshbandi Sufis, Turiya 18.Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Hydrogen;Theosophy 19.Many ‘I’s; Plato Cave 20.Large Accumulator; Finding your Second Wind?, Drawing on Hidden Reserves? 21.Ray of Creation; Neoplatonic Emanationalism, Robert Fludd, Cardanus 22.Buffers; Spring-Loaded or Pneumatic on Trains 23.Personality & Essence: Jung’s Persona & Self, Astrology’s Rising Sign & Sun Sign 24.Chief Feature: Jung’s Shadow 25.Three Bodies-Brains: Plato’s Beehive, Plato’s Chariot, Triune Brain Theory, Paul D. McLean 26.Atoms of the Ray of Creation, Walter Russell? 27.Shocks: Sufii Zarb
1: Regular focussing of one's full attention on doing even the smallest automatic things in due course yields unexpected thoughts and feelings so unique powerful and rewarding that they are instantly recognisable as progress. It is a tidal return of energy expended which is never lost but does change form. All have access. The power of attention controls mind - thankfully..
Thank you to whoever assembled and posted this montage. Quite a bit of it is entirely new to me. It's salutary to be exposed to the powerful impressions which make their way through a dilapidated set of mute images. The music is well chosen too - is it based on some of the G. / Thomas De Hartmann pieces? I note some comments here from people unfamiliar with but interested in G.I. Gurdjieff and his teachings. May I offer a few suggestions. The two core Ouspensky volumes, "IOTM" and "The Fourth Way" are indispensable: I'm afraid that anyone unable to get through them - whether or not they initially seem understandable or plausible - isn't going to get very far with this teaching, even at an intellectual level. However an excellent condensed introduction is to be found in Michel Waldberg's "Gurdjieff. An Approach to His Ideas". James Moore's "Gurdjieff: the anatomy of a myth" undertakes an introduction via the format of biography. Its author's credentials are undisputed. The corpus of Gurdjieff literature is now so swollen with worthless relatively recent material obscuring the core works that it's difficult for anyone encountering it to navigate through the maze. For someone with a serious interest in this teaching and a basic grounding in its concepts and history (but without access to a group having a valid lineage: they are few and far between and difficult to identify) Dr. Maurice Nicoll's "Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky" offers a peerless presentation of The Work written in flawlessly lucid English. These are transcriptions (in 5 volumes) of Dr. Nicoll's lectures to the groups which he led in England in the 1940s. They are unique. Gurdjieff's own writings, I would say, would best be approached only by those who already have a reasonable understanding of the core teaching and it's history.
Pan oRoya i just read the arch absurd chapter in Beelzebub...got so angry that I burned the book after dousing it with lighter fluid. I feel like I got ripped of buying canaries. What do you recommend now?
@@captaindiabetes4244 Because he sounds cracked and says all kinds of ridiculous things. To get beyond this, you need to be willing to believe, or suspend disbelief. But this conflicts I think what he says in Fragments about not accepting anything you can’t verify. Instead you have to approach the book with the idea there is deep wisdom in it. Then, as Gurdjieffians put it, you have to “dig.” Otherwise you’re wondering things like why is this guy going on and on and on and on about the evils of animal sacrifice? The reference to canaries is to a story in Second Series where he talks about making money for his adventures by dyeing sparrows yellow and selling them to gullible people as American canaries.
What is the title of music used in video?.... Facinated by gurjieff but the music also strikes me, it takes me back to 20th century, thats why I want to know if this piece is titled.
In the darkness of desire, in the madness of passion, between the grog and the fog and the smog, don't be too worried whether the other's love is real or not. Right now, as you are, the real cannot happen to you. The real happens only to real persons. Gurdjieff used to say: "Don't seek reality -- become real!" because the real happens to real persons only. To unreal persons only the unreal happens. OSHO
@@mohanasundaramoorthy3098 I do not know exact book but I know that his best work is 10 books compiled in one, Alpha and Omega, Yoga Sutras of Patanjali
@Popcorn Seller don't be so naive...I studied Osho like a bible...He did not want to sit in a dirt like whole India. Coming into physical dimension and claiming that it is not worth it is ignorance of real essence of life...That Osho understood far better than anyone else. Rolls Royce were only pure manifestation of spirit, God. RR is God in different form because everything is only manifestation of the same thing...
Sooner or later, you will be surprised, a few other names will become more important which are already there but known only to a few people. For example, Gurdjieff will become more important than Freud in the coming century -- because he has tried to give a few keys for a real, objective psychology. Ouspensky's name will become more important than Jung's. And a few completely unknown names will bubble up into prominence. OSHO
Freud and Jung said very little of value. I read Freud recently and thought I know far more than him. Same with Jung. People get angry when I say that... they call me ‘arrogant’. Oh well, so be it.
"We all" being several billions of beings, what could you possibly discover about several billions of beings? Is there a "we"? The problem with universals is that they can only possibly be imaginary, in that they cannot be directly immediately personally experienced, only imagined.
Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.
Does anybody know what's the background of the fez he's wearing in some of the footage? Was it common amongst his ethnic group (Armenian-Russian?) or was it something he took up during his time in the middle east?
Very useful bit of headgear, the fez, if you are bald; I would not be without mine; it keeps the bald pate warm and stops flies practising their skiing - or what ever flies to on a bald pates. Not all houses are warm and in my experience houses without central heating(which they did not - for my purposes exist when I was a child) are not warm. the hearsay is that the fez originated in Turkey.
"If humanity does not produce enough q u a l i t y e n e r g i e s , MANY must die for the earth to fulfill its energy-should&have." (Armenian mystic G. I. Gurdjieff )
That man in 1:52 position. The thin, short man, that talks to Gurdjieff - he seems to be very intelligent and a close student of Gurdjieff´s. He opens the car door, and Gurdjieff enters it. I have seen this passage through many sites, and nobody knows who he is ( or was ). Ouspensky died before this video, so the hints and suggestions should be easier. Any idea who is this man ? I have used Google, but they have no similar photo to him. I guess he was very close to Gurdjieff... and secret. He did not want to be mentioned. If you know something on him, please tell me. As for the video, good moments and fortunately we still have something about Gurdjieff while he was alive. Thanks for the brilliant memories.
Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.
I would suggest you seek audiobooks from Walter Russell and others. Many will lead you astray while giving you pieces of the puzzle. Collect the pieces and discard the rest as you cast your net far and wide for knowledge.
I have pasted this here from a reply comment below. Even moving it up here, I realize it will reach very few, and from those few it may only shift the thinking of one, but that one person will be worth it. There are real esoteric pathways that are unattainable for most people absorbed in everyday life (often through no fault of their own, and they also may find their way after their time in this human state ends). Such real esoteric pathways are found in living world spiritual traditions, including Hinduism, Islam, various indigenous traditions, and Christianity (as damaged as it is), among others. The world has increasingly shifted away from these traditions in their integrity, leaving a vacuum filled by 'new agers' and other weird, humanly or diabolically invented cults like 'scientology', but perhaps most insidiously filled by Gurdjieff. The work' of Gurdjieff is not among the real esoteric spiritual pathways, nor does it exist as an 'anterior' or more profound or whole (or faster) tradition, as Gurdjieff professed. In the words of Rene Guenon (a renowned Sufi Muslim Shaikh living in Egypt in the first half of the 20th century): "Flee Gurdjieff like the plague." Read the works of Guenon, or Whitall Perry's "Gurdjieff in the light of Tradition" or the article by Ouspensky's close confidante Marie Seton, "The case of P.D. Ouspensky." You will see how Gurdjieff's ideas are antithetical to any real spiritual tradition, and most especially the esoteric sides of those traditions. Gurdjieff's 'work' is to destroy the souls of seekers. Flee it. If it is in your mind, find ways to cast it out and seek aid from a living spiritual tradition. Gurdjieff stole aspects of real teachings and practices from such traditions, which is what has lent his 'system' all its power, and it is powerful, if malevolent. I know, because for quite a number of years I was in a 'work' group that was only 2 'teachers' removed from Gurdjieff via Ouspensky (one of many promising souls very damaged by Gurdjieff, as Marie Seton points out in the article by her recommended above). In its ultimate purpose, 'the work' is perhaps the best and most powerful example of what Guenon called 'the countertradition.' It is much worse than the ordinary popular cults that prey on the weak minded and vulnerable. Its purpose was (and remains) the subversion of esoteric teachings that are designed for those who might attain spiritual 'realization' in this human lifetime, some of whom could help restore a spiritual basis in their crumbling civilizations. There are many accounts of brilliant people whose lives were ruined by this man, and ruined profoundly. Real spiritual ways are difficult, of course, especially 'contrary' strains of esoteric practice found in Islam or among the Lakota people in North America, for example. But even the most difficult paths do not lead ultimately to despair. The 'work' will ultimately lead to despair, in the next life if not in this one. I will never forget the stunned looks of despair that slowly grew over the faces of the people who stayed in the 'work group' for any length of time. So even from a worldly perspective, it's a waste of your material life. As for the damage to your soul, this may not have occurred to you as a danger if you believe in Gurdjieff's 'teaching' that we do not have a soul yet, and are machines who must earn a soul(!). But this 'teaching' is an utter lie with some truth in it (a common trick of clever charlatans), and is fundamentally at odds with any spiritual tradition, exotically and esoterically. Flee Gurdjieff, with all your might! Even if you have become entangled for years, there are ways out. Start by knowing you have a soul (however tarnished or mechanically inclined) and a Spiritual Reality (distinct from your soul and untarnishable). Flee Gurdjieff like the plague! To call him a plague is too kind. There are names for his ultimate masters, which I will not honour by repeating here, although G himself was brazen enough to position one of them prominently in his most famous book. I am thankful for whatever Grace may be endowed on that one person who may be embroiled in 'the work' and find through this message a way out of it. This is for you. Thank you.
The Law of Three is actually noncommutative phase. I have a new article on this - see my blog for training detail - idiot's guide to taoist neidan qigong neigong alchemy yoga - just search for free pdf - Gurdjieff music theory still got misunderstood as Western math. Better to understand Pythagorean harmonics from Taoist or the three gunas of India, etc.
What was so remarkable 😆 Besides, the fact that this footage is so old and I’m appreciative to see it for its age, I just see a normal man in the images 😅 Unremarkable and quite normal 🙏
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Im a part of the Salzmann family, my great granfather, Alexandre De Salzmann got my family on the 4th way. As someone growing up in the groups and living by its teachings, all I can say is, Be here, now.
@useenothing True, utter rubish. Just like your comment though :) I rather be a happy fool that has been conned, then a miserable person on the internet. I also feel sorry for you, and I hope you can connect with something more valuable in your life.
It's all something and nothing really, it's going to take a long till we are able to make sense of ourselves should we feel inclined
@useenothing lol...what an idiot!
@spinozasdreams preyed
Wow nice people sure can be barbarians.
It puts a smile on my face.😑
Gurdjieff used to say that if you start getting disidentified from things, sooner or later you will fall upon your essential being. That is the basic meaning of renunciation. Renunciation does not mean, sannyas does not mean, renouncing the world and escaping to the Himalayas or to a monastery -- because if you escape from the world and go to a monastery, nothing is going to change. You carry the same mind. here in the world, the house was yours, and the wife was yours; there the monastery will be yours, the religion will be yours. It will not make much difference. The 'mine' will persist. It is a mind-attitude -- it has nothing to do with any outside space. It is an inner illusion, an inner dream, an inner sleep.
Renunciation means: wherever you are, there is no need to renounce the things because in the first place you never possessed them. It is foolish to talk about renunciation. It means as if you were the possessor and now you are renouncing. How can you renounce something which you never possessed? Renunciation means coming to know that you cannot possess anything. You can use, at the most, but you cannot possess. You are not going to be here forever -- how can you possess? It is impossible to possess anything. You can use and you can be grateful to things that they allow themselves to be used. You should be thankful to things that they allow themselves to be used. They become means, but you cannot possess them.
Dropping the idea of ownership is renunciation. Renunciation is not dropping the possessions but possessiveness. And this is what Gurdjieff calls getting unidentified. This is what Bauls call realizing 'Ardhar Manush' -- the essential man. This is what Zen people call the original face. OSHO
Beautiful
Exactly!
Fantastic.
PLease name of this song...
There are things that you carry with you that cannot be put down or gotten rid of (yet) renunciation is the time to find out what they are and choose to abandon everything but them. The first paragraph was 👌 the 2nd was meh
This was a lovely homage to a most extraordinary man of earth.
Mark OBLAZNEY ,yes. Agree. You are right.
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What makes you think he was extraordinary?
@@mortalclown3812 I think this video also, recognize the video was taken by secret , I understand it when watching this video , and it means at that time the intelligent services were interested in Gyurjieff .It is my opinion .
A force major but kind ,respective of the state of the beings in his space and yet encouraging thorough teaching . Eventually teaching ends for several reasons .
I cry EVERY time i see this, tears of Love.. What an amazing Human being to have walked this Earth. Man nr. 7.5
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 you must be a kind and sweet soul . . .
Thats exactly why famous ZEN master (SIC !) Osho always referred to George Ivanovitch . . . and yes, also in TEARS . . .
Slopy sentimentality is just another reaction of the emotional(like/dislike) function- it is a negative emotion -tastes sweet, *feeds* nothing.
How would you know?
Sloppy sentimentality is negative emotion and wasteful
All time great master walk on this planet. This planet, I think, indebted for this. Just tears starts rolling on the cheek. No amount of love is enough for him.
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 you must be a VERY sweet soul . . .
I love him. l'm seeing his video for the first time and He is so magnetic
I was going to say mysterious and lethal.....
Pisał o tym Uspienski że mimo bezpośredniości bywał dostojny
wow videos of Gurdjieff live. thank you for sharing
There is also a film called Gurdjieff in Armenia which is worth seeing that describes his background and teaching.
This is so very interesting
His neice called luba gurdjieff owned luba restaurant in London from the 1950s to the 1990s.
Co z tego ?
Thanks for this rare video, the mighty presence of this man is obvious in every second!
These extracts are taken from the film Gurdjieff in Armenia ruclips.net/video/6eXZScF26Dc/видео.html
It is such a gift to see these moving images of this extraordinary man and enlightened teacher. We are so fortunate to be able to experience movies, short though they may be, of various Masters here. Though I once studied at the Pinnacle in NY under the guidance of Irmis Popoff, a student of Ouspensky and Gurdjieff, I am now on a different path. However, the truth of 'the work' and of his teaching resonates within me to this day, and every day.
Well, that guy is my father's grandfather. Lol
@@buggytheclown8249 really
how?@@buggytheclown8249
The message remains stronger than ever!
What do you suppose the "message" to be?
Indeed Rare and Remarkable too !!A man of goodwill !! Thank you Aenschool !!
May you wake up and see yourself as you really are...
..casual encounter with just some of this man’s material in the early 1990s put me on a ‘rolling high’ for more than three years I think..still there really waiting for the ‘next time’.. 5:22
In every scene Gurdjieff is aware of the camera rolling. Awareness. Thank you AENSCHOOL
S4K ...............good spot !!!!! ...........and he smoked those lung darts , to smoke out the true believers ????
Thank u... Osho...for awakening...love....
Very nice quality - someone has done a remarkable cleanup job on this footage. Thank you.
I don't just HEAR beautiful music, I feel it penetrating through me in every physiological sense!
wow.. really? in ALL psychological senses?
+CT2507 Question is?
no question really. im not interested in asking u stuff. it was merely meant as a mocking of your juvenile and specifically feminine exaggeration.
cheers... ;)
+CT2507 Hahaha...Don't be such a JEW
+Sophia Fields
lol... im no jew, i can assure u. in fact i despise that people.
but since u are such an expert on music and psychology why don't u elucidate for us, what are all the psychological senses? how many are there in total? can u name 10 or 20 through which u sense the music? i am sure that would help all of us to better understand and appreciate the work of Gurdjieff.
cheers... :))
Gurdjief touched me more than anyone from the day one. have no words to say anything more. A most precious jewel on this planet
Mnie tez❤
Man is not only machine, he has divinity too. Only need to explore it.
Just a possibility! Yes Divinity but not connected.... Huh Sleeping Beauty
Thus, the I AM is the Ghost in the machine. Even though all matter is conscious even heads of cabbage, without the specific I AM a man is just a biological machine.
Thank you so much for uploading this Grandiose video. 💐
Me llegó profundamente.
Meetings with Remarkable Men. A great film!
AND a great book ! ! !
Thank you for this
I started questioning my existence at the age of 7, and as a child of a Muslim family at a young age, my first stop was the Quran. Then this wasn't enough for me. At the age of 13, I decided that this was not enough and continued to search in bitter anguish. I met Osho when I was 16, and at 18 I experienced kundalini in nature for the first time. I had an extraordinary experience that I didn't believe it, things were getting deeper and I was starting to get scared but I only felt good emotions and Love, my mind was still scared, then I needed someone like me or a servant, The only thing I was passionate about in life was my desire to search, there is no one like me around me, I wish there was one in the world. It is good to know that there are people like me, we will not turn back from our path. Now I am 19 years old and sometimes I progress and sometimes I take a break. I could not focus on university because of reading spiritual books. Now I decided not to study at university. I will work and gain financial freedom with savings at an early age and continue reading the books of masters about my only passion, the search.
beautiful beautiful music
Gyan J. Schneider yes but no one is telling us the name of it. I'm waiting....
Thank you for posting this.
Osho and Gurdjieff are very similar in their speech. They're complementary and what cannot be understood when reading one is revealed by the other.
I gather his limp was from his auto accident. What I found fascinaing is his inner tranquility, his calm, deliberate movements. I'm willing to bet he knew he was being filmed, and projected those qualities.
He projected his essence no matter the circumstance. George did not put on a disguise in front of cameras. Whatever ease is palpable in this footage reflects the palpable ease of the lived experience so recorded. Nothing less.
thank you for Charing our beloved Beelzebub. kisses nuith
What is the music piece, I really love it?
G was most remarkable man of 20th century
Beside OSHO: YES ! ! !
Man is a machine...
- Gurdjieff
And the I AM is the ghost in the machine.
Guided Meditation , who cares !!
@@troyano6548 Gurdjieff claimed that Man is a machine. Many contemporaries have stated this situation of consciousness or divine consciousness in the human body as being a "Ghost in the machine".
Who cares?
Anyone seeking to understand the separation and isolation of their true self.
Meditation seeks to shut down the machine and make the divine consciousness more prominent in the individual.
If you have any thoughts on this agreeing or disagreeing please share. I mean this kindly and honestly.
@@guidedmeditation2396 IMO meditation is more like deautomation.... what is a machine - a device that tends to work a given task in a automated or perfectly sequential way.... the key to automation of our body is our mind which tends to repeat itself in a given sequence... meditation tends to break that sequence because if you fully know the sequence how your mind is operating you are free from it..... like if you watch anger if someone insults you see that your body changes your mind rages .... now if you are standing away from it watching the sequence you could just watch it away like a cloud came and the sky turned dark and afterwards it is all clear....
@@guidedmeditation2396 i feel like we should make groups to share such ideas because i can't share it to any of my friends cause they'll think i am a freak
Gurdjieff used to say, sometimes to very prominent people, famous in some way or other -- great authors, painters, poets, politicians, the people who dominate this world, the great egoists.... He used to say to these people a very significant thing -- remember it. Suddenly he would say to them, "You have a very good facade."
Now to say to a politician, to a president of a country or to a prime minister or to a king, "You have a very good facade," is to invite trouble. And Gurdjieff lived his whole life in trouble. But there is no other way.
He also used to say, more than once.... Whenever some egoist would ask him, "Do you love me? Do you like me?" this was his answer: "For what you could be I have nothing but benevolence, but as you are I hate you -- back to your grandmother!"
This is not diplomacy: this is creating enemies. OSHO
Gurdjieff certainly had a different viewpoint than many enlightened people. I am still working on sorting him out. He enjoyed toying with and preying on egoists which seems to imply he was not fully enlightened even though he was very.
Gurdjieff did not provoke trouble with people he didn't know. He certainly didn't pick fights with politicians or people of authority. i don't know where you get those ideas from.
Çünkü gurdjieff bir melami idi.
@@guidedmeditation2396it is perhaps a method you have not heard of. The tyrant teachings also used by the Toltecs in various forms. Very fast. Not for the weak or foolish.
1.Self-Remembering; “Turning One’s Head Around” in Plato’s Cave
2.Four States of Consciousness; Plato’s Cave
3.Man as a Three Story Factory; Plato’s Harmonious Beehive, Robert Fludd
4.Hydrogens; William Prout, Vasily Grossman, Proclus
5.Food Diagram: Man as a Three Story Factory + Hydrogens
6.Negative Emotions; Stoicism
7.Enneagram; Kabbalistic Tree of Life, Abraham ibn Ezra, Athanasius Kircher, Ramon Llull
8.Four Bodies; Katha Upanishad, Theosophy
9.Higher Being-Body Crystalization; Discarnation, Stoics Soul identified with Intelligence, Daoist Inner Embryo, Vajrayana’s Rainbow Body, Pure Land Buddhism
10.Non-Identifying; Stoicism’s Objectivity, Buddhist Non-Attachment
11.Centers; Hindu Chakras, Intellectual, Emotional, Moving-Instinctive & Sub-Catogories
12.Kundabuffer; Kundalini Sleeping coiled three & a half times around Shiva Lingam, “Yoga Yajnavalkya”, Eliphas Levi’s Astral Light
13.Moon Eating the Soul; Plutrach
14.Law of 7; Apollo’s 7 Stringed Lyre, Pythagoras, Cicero, John Newlands, Ernest James Pace?
15.Law of 3; Temperance of Extremes, Dialectric of (Hegal, Heraclitus, Zeno, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle (Affirm-Deny)), Tai Chi
16.Reciprical Maintenance; Hindu Bigru, Buddhist Dharmadatu
17.The Fourth Way; Naqshbandi Sufis, Turiya
18.Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Hydrogen;Theosophy
19.Many ‘I’s; Plato Cave
20.Large Accumulator; Finding your Second Wind?, Drawing on Hidden Reserves?
21.Ray of Creation; Neoplatonic Emanationalism, Robert Fludd, Cardanus
22.Buffers; Spring-Loaded or Pneumatic on Trains
23.Personality & Essence: Jung’s Persona & Self, Astrology’s Rising Sign & Sun Sign
24.Chief Feature: Jung’s Shadow
25.Three Bodies-Brains: Plato’s Beehive, Plato’s Chariot, Triune Brain Theory, Paul D. McLean
26.Atoms of the Ray of Creation, Walter Russell?
27.Shocks: Sufii Zarb
This list seems interesting. Kindly share some details. Are these the key Ideas?
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1: Regular focussing of one's full attention on doing even the smallest automatic things in due course yields unexpected thoughts and feelings so unique powerful and rewarding that they are instantly recognisable as progress. It is a tidal return of energy expended which is never lost but does change form. All have access. The power of attention controls mind - thankfully..
Remember. .. Gurdjieff spent many years studying at mystery schools around the world. But wasn't he also accused of being a supreme fake?!
Wow...you must be so wise.
Everything is a copy of a copy. You cannot have any new thought on your own. - UG Krishnamurti.
Read 'In Search of the Miraculous' by P.D. Ouspensky. Afterward, if you are still interested, you will find your way.
brazos7 😀 exactly! 👍
Thank you. I have come so far but I am missing the final pieces. ruclips.net/video/vcBRjiRTA_4/видео.html
Indeed remarkable, handsome , breathtaking
There is something so innocent about the guy but then there are his acts. Puts one in a difficult position.
What acts?
@@croissants1280 read the books about his life. he was acting a lot to fool the onlooker.
People feel so much love for G. I. It’s good to see. He deeply moved me and changed my life too.
Is that Lord Pentland at 2:12?
meu mestre me ajudou quando estava caído, dividi os três centros, intelectual, emocional e motor
Poderia me ensinar algumas tecnicas chama no face izak maza adoraria conhecer pessoas seguidoras dos ensinamentos de gurdjieff
@@minaslistas5550 tudo se resume, na cinergia dos centros, ou seja vc estará criando uma alma em vc
Now on to the next phase: integration of the three centres
immortal
Any other video captured during his educations please?
Do you have other of his Videos please i really enjoy not only watching but reading at the same time.
There is another documentary called Gurdjieff in Armenia if you search for that.
Gurdjieff never die
Gurdjieff é o meu instrutor
Interesting that he is departing from a pharmacy and smoking a cigarette. If the"fourth way" brings you to this place of self awareness, I'm in!
Surely it was near impossible to remain concealed from a man of his Power.
I had no idea that film footage of Gurdjieff existed.
. . . some of us had even no idea that G I G himself existed . . .
Is there any great master in the present generations in which humanity would dwell on?
My hero
Thank you to whoever assembled and posted this montage. Quite a bit of it is entirely new to me. It's salutary to be exposed to the powerful impressions which make their way through a dilapidated set of mute images. The music is well chosen too - is it based on some of the G. / Thomas De Hartmann pieces?
I note some comments here from people unfamiliar with but interested in G.I. Gurdjieff and his teachings. May I offer a few suggestions.
The two core Ouspensky volumes, "IOTM" and "The Fourth Way" are indispensable: I'm afraid that anyone unable to get through them - whether or not they initially seem understandable or plausible - isn't going to get very far with this teaching, even at an intellectual level. However an excellent condensed introduction is to be found in Michel Waldberg's "Gurdjieff. An Approach to His Ideas".
James Moore's "Gurdjieff: the anatomy of a myth" undertakes an introduction via the format of biography. Its author's credentials are undisputed. The corpus of Gurdjieff literature is now so swollen with worthless relatively recent material obscuring the core works that it's difficult for anyone encountering it to navigate through the maze.
For someone with a serious interest in this teaching and a basic grounding in its concepts and history (but without access to a group having a valid lineage: they are few and far between and difficult to identify) Dr. Maurice Nicoll's "Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky" offers a peerless presentation of The Work written in flawlessly lucid English. These are transcriptions (in 5 volumes) of Dr. Nicoll's lectures to the groups which he led in England in the 1940s. They are unique.
Gurdjieff's own writings, I would say, would best be approached only by those who already have a reasonable understanding of the core teaching and it's history.
Pan oRoya i just read the arch absurd chapter in Beelzebub...got so angry that I burned the book after dousing it with lighter fluid. I feel like I got ripped of buying canaries. What do you recommend now?
@@markusrose9667 I haven't read that book but can u explain better why it sucks?
@@captaindiabetes4244 Because he sounds cracked and says all kinds of ridiculous things. To get beyond this, you need to be willing to believe, or suspend disbelief. But this conflicts I think what he says in Fragments about not accepting anything you can’t verify. Instead you have to approach the book with the idea there is deep wisdom in it. Then, as Gurdjieffians put it, you have to “dig.” Otherwise you’re wondering things like why is this guy going on and on and on and on about the evils of animal sacrifice? The reference to canaries is to a story in Second Series where he talks about making money for his adventures by dyeing sparrows yellow and selling them to gullible people as American canaries.
@@markusrose9667 tal cual. Alfombras también vendía... parece un demócrata lgtb puras pabadas
I fully agree with David Mink
What is the title of music used in video?....
Facinated by gurjieff but the music also strikes me, it takes me back to 20th century, thats why I want to know if this piece is titled.
Nada se compara ao seu insinamento nem Freud, nem Young,
Thank you sir for this rare video..
In the darkness of desire, in the madness of passion, between the grog and the fog and the smog, don't be too worried whether the other's love is real or not. Right now, as you are, the real cannot happen to you. The real happens only to real persons. Gurdjieff used to say: "Don't seek reality -- become real!" because the real happens to real persons only. To unreal persons only the unreal happens. OSHO
osho - master
Could you tell me the name of the book by our master Osho? I have a collection od his books but I did not come across these lines in any of them.
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@@mohanasundaramoorthy3098 I do not know exact book but I know that his best work is 10 books compiled in one, Alpha and Omega, Yoga Sutras of Patanjali
taran gita awesome!
@Popcorn Seller don't be so naive...I studied Osho like a bible...He did not want to sit in a dirt like whole India. Coming into physical dimension and claiming that it is not worth it is ignorance of real essence of life...That Osho understood far better than anyone else. Rolls Royce were only pure manifestation of spirit, God. RR is God in different form because everything is only manifestation of the same thing...
Sooner or later, you will be surprised, a few other names will become more important which are already there but known only to a few people. For example, Gurdjieff will become more important than Freud in the coming century -- because he has tried to give a few keys for a real, objective psychology. Ouspensky's name will become more important than Jung's. And a few completely unknown names will bubble up into prominence. OSHO
Which book of osho if i may ask ?
Gurdjieff, Ayn Rand, Alexander Lowen, L Ron Hubbard, Egwin Ertl. The Great Awakening. Who else?
Freud and Jung said very little of value. I read Freud recently and thought I know far more than him. Same with Jung. People get angry when I say that... they call me ‘arrogant’. Oh well, so be it.
Gurdjieff Man number 7, master
Can you verify that for yourself?
@@vhawk1951kl- 😮po co ?😂
I do think we have something in common.
But, in a sense, don't we all have?
Pce Brother and thanks for the video... It's amazing!
"We all" being several billions of beings, what could you possibly discover about several billions of beings?
Is there a "we"?
The problem with universals is that they can only possibly be imaginary, in that they cannot be directly immediately personally experienced, only imagined.
*Is_ there* a "we"?
still love it!!
Wonderful video. you can tell me author fo this music ? TX
Mr Thomas de Hartman and Mr G Gurdjieff in colaboration
@@slavicaherceg1128 many thanks
what is the name of this song please??
WONDERFUL GURU - GREAT MOUSTACHE - THE TOMMY COOPER OF MYSTICISM.
Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic
Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.
Alexander de Salzmann was a very remarkable person himself. Has he left any written account of his life wih Gurdjieff ?
Does anybody know what's the background of the fez he's wearing in some of the footage? Was it common amongst his ethnic group (Armenian-Russian?) or was it something he took up during his time in the middle east?
Fes Osmanlılar ın giydiği bir tür şapkadır.
Got to be Russian.
Very useful bit of headgear, the fez, if you are bald; I would not be without mine; it keeps the bald pate warm and stops flies practising their skiing - or what ever flies to on a bald pates. Not all houses are warm and in my experience houses without central heating(which they did not - for my purposes exist when I was a child) are not warm. the hearsay is that the fez originated in Turkey.
....EXELENTE...!!!
Gurdjieff never died.
He just became the mascot for Esquire magazine.
Where is this song from? Please, someone.
Thank you🙏🏼❤️
Ese hombre era extraordinariamente fuerte casi invencible diría yo. La verdad es que no parece muy humano, es un rey si un rey de otro planeta.
Мы все инопланетяне, только не знаем об этом.
Si de seguro que si creo que el es inmortal
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍
Wszystkie Awary❤ które tu z Miłości przybywały były z innych przestrzeni😮 - pomagali się wznieść ludzkosci❤
"If humanity does not produce enough q u a l i t y e n e r g i e s , MANY must die for the earth to fulfill its energy-should&have." (Armenian mystic G. I. Gurdjieff )
A true master🇮🇳🇮🇳🕉🕉🙏🙏🙏
Namaste 🙏 🪷
That man in 1:52 position. The thin, short man, that talks to Gurdjieff - he seems to be very intelligent and a close student of Gurdjieff´s. He opens the car door, and Gurdjieff enters it. I have seen this passage through many sites, and nobody knows who he is ( or was ). Ouspensky died before this video, so the hints and suggestions should be easier. Any idea who is this man ? I have used Google, but they have no similar photo to him. I guess he was very close to Gurdjieff... and secret. He did not want to be mentioned. If you know something on him, please tell me. As for the video, good moments and fortunately we still have something about Gurdjieff while he was alive. Thanks for the brilliant memories.
Nice piano music.
What is the name of the Music of this movie ???
Ah...the sweetest to walk with one's master.
TOP G ,,,,, THE MAAN ,,,THE MYTH ,,, THE LEGEND
Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic
Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.
My master, the seven number man, this real man!!! The superman
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
what's the original source of these videos?
Good question. They almost appear like surveillance film.
Clearly someone had an 8mil camera and thank goodness for that.
ive been fascinated by this all my life but dont know where to start...ive read james mores's biography of mr gurdjieff about 20 times.
I would suggest you seek audiobooks from Walter Russell and others. Many will lead you astray while giving you pieces of the puzzle. Collect the pieces and discard the rest as you cast your net far and wide for knowledge.
I have pasted this here from a reply comment below. Even moving it up here, I realize it will reach very few, and from those few it may only shift the thinking of one, but that one person will be worth it.
There are real esoteric pathways that are unattainable for most people absorbed in everyday life (often through no fault of their own, and they also may find their way after their time in this human state ends). Such real esoteric pathways are found in living world spiritual traditions, including Hinduism, Islam, various indigenous traditions, and Christianity (as damaged as it is), among others. The world has increasingly shifted away from these traditions in their integrity, leaving a vacuum filled by 'new agers' and other weird, humanly or diabolically invented cults like 'scientology', but perhaps most insidiously filled by Gurdjieff. The work' of Gurdjieff is not among the real esoteric spiritual pathways, nor does it exist as an 'anterior' or more profound or whole (or faster) tradition, as Gurdjieff professed. In the words of Rene Guenon (a renowned Sufi Muslim Shaikh living in Egypt in the first half of the 20th century): "Flee Gurdjieff like the plague." Read the works of Guenon, or Whitall Perry's "Gurdjieff in the light of Tradition" or the article by Ouspensky's close confidante Marie Seton, "The case of P.D. Ouspensky." You will see how Gurdjieff's ideas are antithetical to any real spiritual tradition, and most especially the esoteric sides of those traditions.
Gurdjieff's 'work' is to destroy the souls of seekers. Flee it. If it is in your mind, find ways to cast it out and seek aid from a living spiritual tradition. Gurdjieff stole aspects of real teachings and practices from such traditions, which is what has lent his 'system' all its power, and it is powerful, if malevolent. I know, because for quite a number of years I was in a 'work' group that was only 2 'teachers' removed from Gurdjieff via Ouspensky (one of many promising souls very damaged by Gurdjieff, as Marie Seton points out in the article by her recommended above). In its ultimate purpose, 'the work' is perhaps the best and most powerful example of what Guenon called 'the countertradition.' It is much worse than the ordinary popular cults that prey on the weak minded and vulnerable. Its purpose was (and remains) the subversion of esoteric teachings that are designed for those who might attain spiritual 'realization' in this human lifetime, some of whom could help restore a spiritual basis in their crumbling civilizations. There are many accounts of brilliant people whose lives were ruined by this man, and ruined profoundly. Real spiritual ways are difficult, of course, especially 'contrary' strains of esoteric practice found in Islam or among the Lakota people in North America, for example. But even the most difficult paths do not lead ultimately to despair.
The 'work' will ultimately lead to despair, in the next life if not in this one. I will never forget the stunned looks of despair that slowly grew over the faces of the people who stayed in the 'work group' for any length of time. So even from a worldly perspective, it's a waste of your material life. As for the damage to your soul, this may not have occurred to you as a danger if you believe in Gurdjieff's 'teaching' that we do not have a soul yet, and are machines who must earn a soul(!). But this 'teaching' is an utter lie with some truth in it (a common trick of clever charlatans), and is fundamentally at odds with any spiritual tradition, exotically and esoterically. Flee Gurdjieff, with all your might! Even if you have become entangled for years, there are ways out. Start by knowing you have a soul (however tarnished or mechanically inclined) and a Spiritual Reality (distinct from your soul and untarnishable). Flee Gurdjieff like the plague! To call him a plague is too kind. There are names for his ultimate masters, which I will not honour by repeating here, although G himself was brazen enough to position one of them prominently in his most famous book. I am thankful for whatever Grace may be endowed on that one person who may be embroiled in 'the work' and find through this message a way out of it. This is for you. Thank you.
Gurdjieff mago filósofo, teacher movimento
The Law of Three is actually noncommutative phase. I have a new article on this - see my blog for training detail - idiot's guide to taoist neidan qigong neigong alchemy yoga - just search for free pdf - Gurdjieff music theory still got misunderstood as Western math. Better to understand Pythagorean harmonics from Taoist or the three gunas of India, etc.
thank you
est ce que c'est sa musique ? merci beaucoup
Great footage
Thankyou
vraiment un être d'une Grande bonté
I 've just discovered him and I find him a great personality.
But as blind as I am, I cannot see the occult of the scenes.
Can you show me?
What song is this? from where?
What was so remarkable 😆 Besides, the fact that this footage is so old and I’m appreciative to see it for its age, I just see a normal man in the images 😅 Unremarkable and quite normal 🙏
lol.. true. i get the same feeling watching these clips.
any rare remarks? that will stick? never erased?
Gurdjieff is the sun
This is terrific footage..
in color? what year was this shoot?
Likely colorized later.
Who’s the guy eating with him?
Quite simple mate: It ´s a LUCKY guy . . .