My Very First Court Case 😬
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- I've been a practicing real estate attorney for many years, but I will always remember my very first day in court.
Tiffany Webber is a real estate attorney and owner of Thomas & Webber, a real estate law firm in Mooresville, North Carolina. They handle both commercial and residential real estate closings, estate planning, and business formations.
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Absolutely helps when the judge understands that you are a new lawyer. One judge I knew would say things like, “So, would you like to set this case over and file a motion…,” (or some other action he thought necessary) and I knew that was a cue that I should do that.
Um.... yes, your honor, that sounds.. ... good. I definitely didn't lie on my resume😂
They are all on thr same side
The absolute amazing thing about judges is that they ALWAYS know who's lying. Moral: Don't lie to the judge.
@louriz7488, not really. More like you'll see them again often if you work court cases often.
And your giving judge room to rule by letting know your knew so less likely to fight a correction.
@@marforlant3 people you NEVER lie to. A judge, your doctor and your attorney. Lying to one of those 3 people can have you in a bad situation
Judges can be very helpful to new attorneys. I was in the jury box about to be picked for automobile accident. The judge asked does any of the potential jurors have a reason
To be let go. I said. “ Yes my sister-in-law was just killed last week in a car accident.”
This new attorney didn’t want to let me be excused and the judge kept saying to the newbie don’t you think she should be excused? After about the 5th time the newbie finally agreed
The newbie probably didn’t want to excuse you because they were hoping your trauma would make you sympathetic to their side.
@@MissEasyPeasySleasywhich is why they should’ve been let go. You’re not supposed to be on jury if you’re going to be biased
@MissEasyPeasySleasy but the newbie should realize that a biased juror is a dangerous juror. It is the job of the courts and especially the lawyer themselves to make sure there's no bias
Only people with the intelligence and self confidence to admit what they don’t know , continue learning and join the group of the top in their field of knowledge . Great job !
if you don’t live within our laws, you have no rights to benefit from our justice system.
Which is why you support sending most of the south side of Chicago to Guantanamo Bay-correct?
A single zip code having more homocides than the nation of Iraq during wartime is proof of their unwillingness to live “within our laws” (this grammatically makes no sense, but I would expect nothing less from a public school graduate).
There are people who said that to black people for 200 years. Laws and justice systems can be morally bankrupt. So your blanket statement is really just authoritarian. While the hyper majority of the sovereign citizen types have mad cow disease, in the future we may look back on them and say that some of them, every now and then, had a good point.
Well, I‘d like to, but for some reason the US bullies the world into feeling entitled to my bank account (every other country accepts that they lose jurisdiction at their border, except the US)
Sounds like " Defund the Police" be the first 1 to call them when you don't get your way.
@@robertcollins373 I love local police, because the people who live in your town don't wanna see it falling into the hands of criminals
Yes to that judge. I was in court and my attorney was experienced. Before our case was heard there was an inexperienced attorney trying to litigate a case. The judge also told her there was a better way and asked if an attorney in the room would be able to talk her through the process and then she could come back. My attorney who was amazing volunteered to help her.
Holy crap
If that was my lawyer, she would have quickly not been my lawyer any longer
@@YeshuaKingMessiah This wasn’t a life or death case with a defendant and plaintiff. There were just some steps she needed to take before bringing the case to court for her client to be approved to get her grandmother care in a nursing home. If I recall the attorney was very young and representing her friend. My guess is she was probably not charging her friend that much and it was probably not her specialty of law.
Same thing in real estate. Did same thing on my first couple deals. People typically want to help others.
This. Asking for help even of the most ornery cus in existence tends to bring out the best in people. They feel needed and that's extremely powerful
Totally, I've travelled the world, much of it alone or with a small baby/child. Most people are good and are just trying to get by and survive. The bad shit that's happened to me was from people who had me convinced they loved me. 🤷
Thats pretty cool of you to let the Judge know and also pretty cool of the Judge to take the opportunity to inform you in an instructive manor.
Here from Ironland! WE NEED YOU!
Vulnerability can be beautiful. People want to help those who are humble and have humility.
GOOD people do.
"Some people" see it as gullibility, and start making incessant request to "Pleathe thend money."
@@TimeSurfer206true, hopefully we’ll have the proper discernment.
People want to help..... openly supports a terrorist state
@@ineedapharmists you have a problem if I don’t support genocide bro?
The judge understood its your first case and helped with patience and understanding
Respect enough to educate you and not belittle you. Yeah that is what helps the system work better. No ego power trip but educated with information ❤
My first and second last time I sat before a judge , she yelled at me for not coming to greet her before presidings began, however she was not there when I came to greet her at her office!
However, she granted bail to my client who committed a terrible assault on someone.the case before me were allegedly people so committed hijackings and murder and I was the one yelled at for not greeting her highness before presidings when she was not there!!! I am now a contract lawyer and never go to court!
Ur a lawyer lol
@@YeshuaKingMessiahthat whole story seems hard to believe. As an attorney, if you're not an in-court litigator you better be a clear and persuasive writer, and that writing ... Lol
Being up front and honest with the judge was a good thing to do. Everyone has a "first time" for everything.
I used to write motions for a divorce attorney and one of my favorite ones that I wrote was all about how the guy was the sovereign citizen didn't recognize the jurisdiction of the court so the judge should just rule full custody with supervised visitation.
There was a lot more to it but that was one of our big points was the fact that the judge had previously made rulings and the guy just didn't care or follow them because he was a sovereign citizen.
Sovereign and citizen don't belong next to each other let alone in the same sentence 😮
We don’t have a justice system. We have a system of laws which are not always just.
Change them
They are never justice, justice left this forsaken land in the 1860's.
@@wlonsdale1Impossible when the people controlling them are the corrupt
@@wlonsdale1 Easier said than done.
@@fordcrews3362 interesting year you picked. Never had justice here. Ask the Iroquois, the Mohicans, the Powhatan, the indentured servants, the enslaved people that helped build this land, the waves of immigrants (Irish, Italians, etc).
Judge be like:
Nah girl u good they’re cray. Imma help u out
You might have just heard about the Chevron case at the Supreme Court….
Judges are often glad to see things done right and done well, that's kind of their whole gig
Having your first case be against a sovcit has to be a blessing and a curse. You've probably automatically won, but you still have to pick through a mix of pure bs and completely missunderstood law to get there.
It’s always a good idea to help the next generation . ❤
Sovereign citizens are my favorite to observe in court
It's funny when the police encounters end up on RUclips.
As if you’re ever in court
I do not recognize a court with fringes on its flag
-Dale KotH
It's awesome when the judge understands.
As a prior HR Director, appreciated the honesty of some of our team members, I use to say to them; IF you don't know or it's your first time, just say so, so maybe we can introduce a better way of doing things and it would make tge whole atmosphere just relax and be productive.
To be fair, the whole concept of the "sovereign citizen" thing is demonstrated in the comment the judge made "i understand what your asking for but thiers a better way to do this."
The judge knows what should happen and agrees it should happen but gatekeeps that justice behind knowledge and money. And thats pretty fucked up.
Most "sovereign citizens" believe these loop holes and bastardization of rules and laws should exist for everyone, not just the companies that have lobbiests that have relationships with judges and and attorneys.
Instead of looking at it like "they reject the laws of the government" its more like they believe those laws should be the dame for everyone and they just go about making that point in the most unproductive way possible.
When you show humility in your actions people gladly give you leeway and understanding.
Supreme court ruling,, Right to travel, should I have to pay for, That i've already paid for, And in paying taxes to use., And property falls under fourth Amendment., Not a commercial driver. , Not getting paid
The more I hear about sovereign citizens the more I am intrigued because you always hear about people putting them down like this lady, but they never tell you why they’re wrong. They just say what we don’t do it that way sorry but my question is do they have a legitimate stand under the constitution and the laws we have
If you are a free person you have the right to contract freely. As long as your not violating any free persons rights. You can not make someone contract with you by force. Corporations can not force you to conract with them because they say so. How are you free if you're forced to obey a company.
Keep being intrigued
LEARN
It’s out there. All the info.
Exactly! Start with learning about what the collateral is for the government debt. Then, learn legal definitions, like "person."
There's a RUclips video that gives a pretty good start to it all. It's titled "US National vs US Citizen" it gives a ton of supreme court examples to prove their point.
There are already laws to assist anyone with a legitimate claim against a case. That's why you have a lawyer. You can vet your attorney...see what the record says about the cases they have handled.
But to go into court spewing nonsense not relevant to the charges is just plain STUPID.
Not particularly, at least not in regard to how law currently works in regards to general grievances of "SC" types. By modern standards these people are insane and are probably more suited to living about 200 years earlier.
A large portion of it is mental illness at least anecdotally from everything I've seen
That's one heck of a first case. 😂
Being humble is always a good thing.
The term sovereign citizen fits the police perfectly
Ima say this iv met 1 judge throughtout my life that was actually very nice and understanding iv never met a judge like that and iv done alot of stupid shit to put myself in front of them. I will never forget that man.
I love how sovereign citizens don’t like the law, but then want the law to uphold their ridiculous misinformed view of what rights and freedoms are owed to them ,and where we get them… It never works. Due to the fact that we get them from the law.
Aw that’s really nice.
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Sovereign citizens you mean like police officers
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There are no Sovereign citizens, but there are sovereign police. They walk around with qualified immunity. So, who really is the sovereign citizen?
And Social Services social workers
Judges never extend that courtesy to people representing themselves
cause they don't have to work with those people on a daily basis. Attorneys however they'll see all the time so it helps to stay on a friendly basis.
@@jabadahut50so how is that NOT biased against the people they dont have to work with daily?
@@JustMe-gx4xt Oh it is... that's kinda the problem. But the judge cares a lot less because they don't have to work with that person on the daily so that person can't make much more than a single day a pain in the ass.
@@jabadahut50 that means the judge is not following the laws of the judicial system which they helped create to begin with.
@@JustMe-gx4xt yup... it's a massive problem in the US. Corruption is a rampant issue within our entire government from the local level all the way up to the highest courts in the land. And for many many reasons (*cough* Billions of bribes- I mean lobbying dollars... *cough*) we poors can't really do much about it. People will say vote but gerrymandering makes most of our votes ACTUALLY useless.
I always find it humorous when cops accuse people of being sovereign citizens when someone exercises their constitutional rights.
As soon as someone driving a car says “I don’t need a drivers license. I’m not driving, I’m traveling.” Or “this isn’t a car, it’s a conveyance.” Or, “ this isn’t a commercial vehicle.” That’s not them trying to enforce their constitutional rights.
@@navymom1969 Get that, but when someone says "I am going to exercise my right to remain silent" or "I don't consent to the search of my car" and the cop says "What's your problem, why are you being difficult - are you a sovereign citizen or something?" You know then that you've got a mental giant on you hands.
@@navymom1969 And none of that is what he's talking about.
Cops don't accuse people of being sovereign citizens.
@@garrybaez6543 You must not watch many cop videos because they do it all the time. As soon as you say "I am exercising my 5th Ammendment right to remain silent and I do not consent to you searching my car", the cop will say something like "What's with the sovernign citizen bullshit?"
If the judge is "understanding " they are violating law.
We're all born sovereign citizens you give up the sovereign bit to bend the knee to the system👍
Shortly after I got out of the law school, I went to the judges in the city I live in and introduced myself, and it made all the difference in the world. Yes, I was green and inexperienced, but the judges were tolerant, and eventually my skills got better and better until they thoroughly respected my work.
You got lucky with that judge!
He was willing to do his job!
Sovereign citizens only follow Constitutional and deems all other laws void. This also goes for the state county and city laws also
Respect is a two way street. People are inclined to see your side if you're transparent an a respectful and respectable way. They may not agree with you, but they will be more accommodating and respectful in return.
He didn’t have to suggest, but since a judge is supposed to know the law, I believe it’s required they follow it. We need to take it to the Constitution.
Yes I've heard of law enforcement
It's not about ignoring the laws, it's about applying them in the way they're originally intended.
Sovereign citizens are always exasperating. My second jury trial was against a Moorish National (the African American version of the sovereign citizens) for a $10k credit card bill. He represented himself and wore a fez throughout the proceedings. Jury found for the credit card company. This guy who claimed not to be subject to our laws worked - guess where? For USPS. 😂
Was he also refusing government pay, benefits and eventual Social Security?
It's weird imo regardless, but I'm curious about how they draw their legal rights while also refusing them.
@@tscimb of course he wasn’t!
@@ThreeTorties ah.
I know next to diddly about the law. So this sovereign citizen thing doesn't seem to work huh? I'm guessing it would be entertaining to see at least?
@@mermaid2014 not successful, but it can be entertaining. I had several prosecutors and public defenders hanging out to watch part of a civil trial because of it. So funny!
I respect the sovereign citizen position..and having the rocks to go it, ridiculous as it is, they are the extreme end of freedom protection.❤
Sovereigns don't reject the Common Law. Common law is judge-made law, derived from case decisions and historical customs. They reject statutes / Bills created by Parliament through "legislation". To them Common Law trumps Parliamentry legislation, just as the Constitution supersedes "legislation" or policies that contradict the Constitutio itself. Secondly, we are ruled by "consent". Hence why we can say to the Police that we "do not consent to searches or seizures".......sovereigns understand this rights more than most and hence reject breaches/contradictions/non-consensual scenarios. E.g. in the video you see an image of a car without a licence plate. So according to Sovereigns understanding Common Law states you only need a licence if you are using the vehicle for commercial purposes. You do not need a licence just to "travel" for private reasons. Hence there is no requirement for having a "driving licence". Most people are not aware/are ignorant of this distinction......and therefore 'mock' Sovereigns or make sweeping statements like they "reject the US governments laws"......so disengenuous😮😂😂😂😂😂
Supreme Court ruling, right to travel.
I think that’s great advice and not advice you hear often. It’s definitely not always in your best interest to fake it till
You make it.
Except it's not going against our laws, it's sticking to loss, not going with civil codes and other things which by definition aren't law. Reading Black's Law Dictionary now myself for my son who will be an attorney. It basically says that this original set our laws nothing else can be so everything is under civil criminal or Justice code which is a way of saying this isn't a lot but it's our opinion which we are going to enforce on you.
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Declaration of Independence states. The Government is instituted among men, Deriving their just powers from the “CONSENT” of the governed.
Anyone who tries to educate you about "sovereign citizens" has no clue. That term is like saying "free slave".
Instead, ask yourself why they want you to dislike that movement..
The sovereign citizen should pay all court costs for frivolous lawsuits.
Even in regular jobs like a cashier, you can say, "Sorry, first day, please be patient with me" and the customers will be more lenient with you
At least you went to trial. You know how many lawyers I met who never went to trial.
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Nice to hear the judges care and they're decent with you you just lucky it wasn't judge Judy
SovCits are a strange bunch. It is a good kind of legal-game to play ‘find the basis of the skewed logic’ however. A majority fall into two categories: One, is those to claim to be a foreign national under a ‘Moorish’ trade agreement that they cite as a treaty with the United States (which would then change jurisdiction to Federal law); but they’re is no such treaty recognized by the United States.
Second, is those who believe in a conspiracy that show the use of the word ‘incorporate’ and ‘corporation’ in US commercial law referring to the Federal Government. They then claim that the government is a for profit company overlaying the real government and tricking people into believing fake laws, the existence of states, etc. However they reject the definition of ‘corporation’ from that same code which states it is any group or organization represented as an entity (it can be government, nonprofit, social organization, a legal class, etc)
Although there are some more “interesting” variations out there
Umm. Friendly tip. They dont reject the laws of the US. They reject the civil authority over constitutional rights and use maritime law as their law. Soo. Maritime over civil law. America does indeed have a two law system. Civil law aka precedent law and maritime. There is actually a way to request a maritime court proceeding but the default law is civil and it does indeed differ. However maritime law frequently uses precedence as well but it is much less comprehensive which is viewed as “more free” to the “natural man”
Basically, what im saying is that the “natural man” usage of maritime law argument has standing and precedence. Especially at a time when courts didnt care about violating 1st amendment rights and frequently sided with codes and rules that violated the constitution which is, according to definitions in the federal law, considered the “law of the land” and to be used as the filter to be used to be determine the validity of all other laws and the foundation as to what determines a “natural man” in the US. Where civil law defines a “person” as a “monster”. Thats not a joke.
I personally do not practice the natural man ways of thinking about law but i am familiar enough with it due to research on the subject that though there are some misguided people, they arent always misguided. Misunderstood and idiots(legal term) to law maybe. Mainly because maritime laws today is also called international law as international law was built using maritime law as its foundation and as such it generally applies to unincorporated land and undisputed international waters and in some cases certain deeded lands of the US.
So, contextually, she is also an idiot(legal term) in law and apparently she is implying the “natural law” is of no consequence or value to her or her story wouldnt have superfluously mentioned the “sovereign natural man” argument. As she tells it, that information wasn’t necessary for the stories context.
How does one request the non default proceedur? Have you seen anyone do this successfully?
@@JustMe-gx4xt no. I have not. I am not a lawyer. Nor should anything i write here be considered legal advice. It should be considered as probably flawed historical rememberings. I used to know the name of the proceeding it has since left my brain. However it goes something like this. You have to file for it prior to the court date.
Im not 100% sure on how the court works after you file and it is approved, but i believe it requires the important people to be under oath rather than a the standard blanket oath. The idea being that officials do not pledge an oath at the start of each case. According to my research and my flawed memory, natural men believe that under most US civil courts of law, the officials are not under oath and can therefore conduct court proceedings with disregard to the constitution and maritime laws. This is mostly where the idea that the US courts do not have real jurisdiction or authority unless they are under oaths and statements of oaths are on record and active during the proceeding. There is some credibility with this thinking considering court officials do not give oaths during court proceedings and this can lead an unlearned human to believe that the judge and lawyers are not under oaths and can therefore create their own rules and adjudicate things like civil codes that violate the natural mans god given rights and maritime laws. Cant remember the names but ya. Lawyers/Da/judges are not under oath during most cases and most lawyers do not like to handle cases while under oath since their words and actions are under intense scrutiny and they are personally responsible for mistakes.
If i am remembering correctly, it is also a way that you as an “idiot”(legal term) of the law, can represent yourself and use maritime laws to defend yourself.
I am aware of a youtube video where this happened and the court did proceed but i cant remember the details. It would be best if you consulted a specialist in “natural man” or sovereign law.
@@FGQuinto I appreciate your response. Thank you.
Love these stories
Government officials are,, The sovereign citizens, , All of their living. , Comes from the taxpayers,, And they govern their own self., But power of. the contract. , Is to follow the law., , Do unto others, as You would, have them do unto you.
I love her accent. Cute story.
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Lawyers are agents of the court, of course the judge is going to side with you unless they can't.
not just US laws. We have them up here in Canada. They essentially think international maritime law governs the entire world everywhere.
Sovereign citizens actually follow only the law of the US government. Not state or city. IE the federal government says you don't papers to travel within the states, therefore they don't believe in drivers licenses because they are state made papers.
I heard It's about the law saying freedom to travel using the conveyance of the times, and licenses are supposed to be for commercial purposes only.
@@kylepeterson3770this is true, as most licenses in the country are basically unconstitutional taxes by their very nature. Hunting and Fishing licenses being the most prime examples of these but really they exist everywhere on every level of our existence. One could argue a drivers license is as well, given how it's not typically free to obtain one, however it's also a basic matter of safety and your ability to safely operate a multi-ton deadly weapon on taxpayer funded streets. I believe there should be a test to be able to drive, but having to pay for licensure and also for things like "vehicle registration" etc are straining credulity as to their true purposes.
@@kylepeterson3770
Read Federal Motor Carrier Safety Act sec 390.5 and know the truth.
@@Theykillmice128can you define what you mean by taxpayers? Did you know that every gallon of gas or diesel that is purchased has a massive tax included in the price of sale? That tax is what pays for the roads. There are hundreds forms of hidden tax and most dont realize they are already paying for something more then once.
@@Theykillmice128regarding the multi ton topic you brought up. Understanding safety is very important, however having a license does not mean that someone will be safe. It's a form of control and does not guarantee safety. Most deadly accidents are caused by drivers who have a license.
Sovereign citizens shouldn't be allowed to live in the United States if they reject the laws of the land. Ridiculous! 🙄😒
The minute that judge heard "sovereign citizen" she won the case.
The term *Sovereign Citizen* is an oxymoron, as you cannot be both simultaneously. Sovereign means to be the highest authority. In Britain, the king is Sovereign, in the United States of America, the people (in theory anyway) are the Sovereign, as a group not individually.
They follow the law of the land and consider unconstitutional laws mute
"They kind of reject the laws of the US government". She's a lawyer and that's the best clear definition that she can give on something. The judge said "there's a better way to do this". So the judge is advocating for her, the lawyer and her client, though, the judge, is supposed to be impartial while judging the hearing. I don't know what an actual sovereign citizen is but that's what early white Americans told the English government that they were. They didn't reject English law as much as they said it didn't apply to them.
One more thing, when a citizen who has never been in court or knows the laws, goes in front of a judge . Do you hear judges saying," listen I understand You're new to this & not familiar with the process, then take it easy on you, and give you advice. 😅
Overt corruption
N we re supposed to feel all warm n fuzzy
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Where in the Law dictionary can I find a sovereign citizen definition?
Wow one of the few good judges
You need to help Ironland.
You can travel all you like: on your feet (walking), on a horse (I think) or on a bicycle. Other than those you may be required to get a license or register the vehicle.
I’m not a lawyer. This is my Opinion. Have a nice day.
You should the transportation code of your state to educate yourself on the subject.
It's eye opening.
@@timendrizzi2180 I don’t live in the US.
It’s not even the travelling
It’s the right to conduct business
U have to be free to support urself
No permission needed from the state to do any part of it, including driving
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They don't necessarily abide by the laws which are in conflict with the Constitution or not listed in the Constitution, but they probably correctly view as government overreach if we're being honest.
It's illegal to murder someone isn't in the Constitution. So that means it's legal?
Sovereign citizens are awesome
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There is no such thing as a sovereign citizen. Choose one you can’t be both.
What a wonderful judge!!! There are good judges. Who knew?!
So...they really don't teach law students the legal difference in a natural man and a citizen?
He registered his car with the state the. Taped his sovereign citizen on top 😂 so brave
That fake lisc plate... I wouldn't out that on an enemy's car. It's a big red bullseye to trigger a judge.
Every lawyers first case should be a sovereign citizen case.
Not relevant st sll, but Crossthwaite is a village near me in the Lyth Valley, Westmorland.
Sovereign Citizens don't disregard the "laws" of the U.S. Gvt. They understand that "statues" are about regulating behavior - and no government agency has such authority if you are not engaged in commerce.
Statues are not laws. They are regulations. Legally they are a big difference but good luck dealing with bureaucrats and judges who don't understand this.
That is an awesome blazer.
Sovrign citizens feel like those people who don’t realise being an outlaw in the Old Wild West basically meant there was no legal consequences if people did terrible things to you so in ways it was often worse than the death sentence
Having to deal with a sovereign citizen on your first court case is wild
4 years of college. 3 of law school. They still don't teach what you need to know.