There’s gonna be moments in the vid where u see Alex Power when I’m talking about Franklin! Sorry about that For some reason google likes bringing him up when Searching for pics of Franklin Richards! It doesn’t help that they be look similar as well! Hope this doesn’t ruin the immersion here
Xavier: You're not a mutant, even thou every cell in your body says you are one and even the Celestials called you one, so you're no longer welcome on Krakoa even thou we did kidnap you from your parents to bring you here. Franklin Richards: So is Mister Sinister leaving? Xavier: .... No, why would we do that?
@@2gogols agreed, I lost my faith in marvel writers in 2014 when they recton Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch being Magneto's children even thou that's been a fact in the comics since the 80's, even thou countless alternate universes have them as his children, even thou Marvel had already done the mystery story of whom their father was when it was questioned that the Whizzer could have been their father, and the worst part, the story plot in the 2014 Axis storyline that confirmed that Magneto wasn't their father was because Scarlet Witch casted a spell that would kill those with shared blood with her, that killed her brother, and didn't do anything to Magneto, which means that decades of story telling could have been undone by something as simple as a blood/paternity test which considering that they're mutants as in they have powers based on DNA, its extremely stupid. writing
@@TheHulkbuster13 they keep trying to make the comics match the movies which is stupid cause the only reason the movies are so successful is cause they are based on the comics. Let the comics be the comics and the movies be the movies. Did they rewright the Lord of the rings books to match up with the movies or did the Tolkien estate just say cool beans and went to count there movie and book money and not change a thing.
I wonder if Wiccan (Billy Kaplan, Scarlet Witch's son) as Demiurge could actually beat him, rewriting all the magic of the universe... Good video by the way, keep up your good videos.
That's not a scalable feat so I wouldn't know. Rewriting reality isn't scalable because reality warping is hax and hax bypass durability therefore can't be scaled.
TO BE FAIR, it was Dan Slott who rectonned Franklin being a mutant. Dan Slott got so much crap and criticism for that from fans, AND he also got so much criticism for making Johnny Storm cheat on his soulmate by hooking up with Doom's bride (Which was beyond out of character). Remember when Dan Slott had so much crap and criticism for writing Spider-Man? And Nick Spencer and to come in and fix all the things Dan made? Yeah I can see that same thing happen to Fantastic Four in the future of comics.
He’s basically a plot device. Which is kind of cool, actually. You have this teenager who is basically omnipotent. Under Hickman, we saw his true potential .
In the early Comics before I was born Franklin watching a TV commercial asking when he was going to grow up made himself into an adult afterwards not knowing who or what he was she was literally tearing the Four Freedoms plaza building apart and defeating the Fantastic Four until he realized he was by reading his mother's mind. After that he offered to fix Ben Grimm but did not realize that order to fix him all he needed to do was give him the power to cut his powers on and off here are Ben's subconscious fear and rather than giving him the ability to turn power on and off you reverted him back to his previous mutation because this was been with all the spikes after having gotten a second dose of cosmic radiation. But back to the portion of the video that started me making this comment at the end of Secret Wars was it 2015 the one where Doom became God kingdom once we took over Franklin literally created a Multiverse and with every Universe he created they put a sliver of the molecule man in it to tie the universe's into a Multiverse. So yeah I'm creating Multiverse you didn't even need to wait until you grew up for that he look like he was around 10 years old or somewhere in the preteen ages
Franklin's Power is equivalent to 3 celestials I don't know why they are impressed by his power anymore nor powers he has. And I see comments saying that wanda could not with him, it is a joke, when it happens to have a feat outside the universal you could just do something
@@matthewschwartz6607 Did he 😦? Victor not smart enough to realize All innocent children goes to Heaven & all rotten God fathers goes to hell ? ( Doom help born the Richards daughter & Frankie's sister , so in a sense Doom should be viewed as a God father to the child) No matter how smart Dr Doom is his arms is still too short to box with☁️ God 🌩!! A man GOT'S to know his LIMITATIONS
Franklin Richard is OP (as in Omnipotent) as hell. For a kid this powerful to be able to create pocket universes/dimensions/realities and make a being like Galactus into his herald is just f***ing crazy and awesome as hell.
@@tinasagapolu-pouhq9366 I'll bring up Franklin's best feat, and Wanda's best feat. Franklin: Significantly more powerful than his child self. Made a well-fed Galactus his Herald. Scarlet Witch: Her Chaos Magic was stated to equal the Phoenix Force so..... yea. If you want scans, I got em too.
Strength and durability:Child Franklin sky father level to sky father +aka creation level and several layers beyond =high outer + to boundless levels 4 layers (high 1a + to tier 0)
Just because he's cosmic energy inside a suit of armor, it doesn't mean he has a true form that scales to an archetypal idea. Galactus is just Galactus and there's one of him in every universe.
The marquis of death is stated to be the most powerful being in the marvel universe even more so the living tribunal, and I know the absolutely stupid way they beat him is dumb as fuck, but just ignore that.
IvaN The UnStoppable I was just watching your Wally West video from the year 2020 , when did you find out what a Googolplex is and how many large numbers do you know about and how did you find out about their existence ?
Hey bro, can you also do a video on arkham Batman, as he obe of the strongest character version of Batman, he is very strong, has a lot of lore, and has fought metahumans. Many compare him to insomniac's spiderman.
Bro what? Galactus and the celestials have been directly stated by marvel to be abstracts and Franklin has consistently been portrayed to be as strong or stronger than all of them and are you talking about the same infinity gauntlet that can’t manipulate anything outside of its home universe? Franklin can and has warped things outside of the universe he’s in. Hell even Wanda can.
@@Chiefteeth1 Eternity, infinity, Love, Hate, etc. These guys are above galactus and the celestials. What I meant by abstracts was the abstract tier. The Infinity Gauntlet could wipe out a multiverse and a higher dimension if it wanted to. You're committing a fallacy by stating it's limitation as it's power. Do you want to continue cuz I can keep teaching. I can name 12 or more ppl above Franklin.
@@AyeshSilva-e7e It's limited in where you can use it, not how much it can destroy. Someone with it can destroy the entire infinite multiverse plus more. 1 or more higher dimensional planes. Saying it can only affect one universe is committing a fallacy. If you read Infinity Gauntlet, you'd have seen Thanos fighting Eternity, Galactus, Celestials, The Stranger, etc. All multiversal+ or higher dimensional characters. So just cuz you can only use it in one universe doesn't affect it's power just a location limit.
@@Chaos_rod25 to be fair scarlet is not nearly as strong as in house of m and also iron man's suit can be shut down by simply turning off its power source or replacing it with say... chocolate or a giant penny
@@memeboi2096 Yea but doesn't change the fact that Scarlet Witch said it herself, with enough prep, she can do it again and as for Tony yea that'll work but it doesn't change the fact that the suit is still more powerful than Franklin. You're talking hax, I'm talking scaling. NOT the same so, NEXT!
@@Chaos_rod25 ok hax are a part of scaling because say Franklin wants the strength of the hulk ok bam he can give that himself or he wants the speed of the silver surfer book there we go Franklin isn't physicaly strong without his powers its like Tony without his suit an ordinary human
@@memeboi2096 Hax cannot be scaled because they bypass durability. Mind hax, Soul hax, Reality warping hax, Conceptual manip hax, Existence Erasure hax, Biological manip hax of the target, Posion Manip, Spatial Manip, Time Manip, Morality manip, Subjective reality, Possesion, Power Nullification, Portal Creation, Madness manip, Power Absorption, etc. The list goes on. That's the point of hax. Plz continue to argue a moot point right now. FR doesn't need the Hulk's strength or Silver Surfers speed. His power is his own and is beyond them both so your point? Demolished that's what.
I just wanna say, there's a dummy lurking the comments stating Wanda during House of M is planetary which logically doesn't make sense because in her base form she can while out a solar system but no if you divide your IQ points enough to get to his level, it's somehow a fact because everything seems smart at that level.
People like to say Scarlet witch isn't as powerful as Franklin Richards. Don't know why cuz Franklin is multiversal+ while House of M/prepped Wanda is low complex multiversal. More powerful than Franklin.
Thats the problem tho.. ur using a higher Scarlett witch than normal while frank is like this in base.. Wanda walking around in base level isn’t house of m levels
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable Of course I know this. But people don't bring up prepped scarlet witch that's the problem. They say Franklin is the most powerful mutant when he's not. Marquis is above Franklin as well. Not trying to hate on Franklin but he isn't the most powerful mutant. Close tho.
It's not fair that's why . Cause in comics everyone has overpowered forms . But it would be stupid to bring up as their base cause they aren't like that 99% of the time.. If somebody came up to you and said venom can take on celestials you will look at them like they're crazy right? But God of Light Venom(amped from outside powers) probably could but he isn't like that 99% of the time which is a crucial detail when you bring up these conversations. it will be like saying venom is stronger than almost everybody because he was strong enough to take on knull (celestial tier being) when he was amped up in that occasion when he's not always like that That's the difference between Wanda vs Frank Base Wanda ain't touching Base Frank.. is what I think ppl mean when they compare the 2.. I think everyone already knows house of m is on another lvl
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable Just testing casual scalers and whatnot. Not you. The real problem is people who don't say the specific version of the character. But yes I only bring up prepped Wanda and Marquis of Death when people say Franklin is the most powerful mutant. I get you tho Ivan. He's the second most powerful mutant in base state that's why I bring up Marquis of Death. I don't argue base Wanda and Franklin it's dumb.
No, i stand with my claim ,adult frank(especially end of time Franklin) >>>>any version of Wanda... House of m Wanda according to history of the marvel universe only affected the planet, everything else has been Retconned and even if it wasn't,frank at that point was the ultimate creator of the marvel multiverse. Wanda nor chthon has ever held such power
@@oluwadamilola6233 yes the keyword there being multiverse, like yeah he was creating multiverses. There's no proof or anything to even suggest that Franklin is creating marvels entire cosmology, that's like someone saying tell you you they built a wooden box and then you assuming they built the universe. You also speak of hom as if it's her best feat or her most powerful which is just simply untrue and the fact you think so speaks a lot about your knowledge of Wanda. Wandas power was so immense that pre retcon beyonders power was stated to be "nothing" in comparison, that puts her far above him. Doom was using Wanda's power as a bridge to making his mind one with toaa. her power granted ascension to doom A weaker wanda blocked the force of all of creation from the Hoi itself, which means she literally blocked all of marvel And she beat chthon who is one of the strongest elder gods far above Frankin, by nature he's above all abstracts, skyfathers and other demons including shuma gorath who I'm sure you don't need explaining how powerful shuma is (Less powerful old ones are relative to abstracts of the universe like Galactus) chthon is beyond the 5th host celestials, beyond true eternity and at the level of the dreamtime aka collective unconscious meaning he can significantly affect the dreamtime this puts him above pretty much all of marvels cosmology not including the House of ideas.
There’s gonna be moments in the vid where u see Alex Power when I’m talking about Franklin! Sorry about that
For some reason google likes bringing him up when Searching for pics of Franklin Richards! It doesn’t help that they be look similar as well! Hope this doesn’t ruin the immersion here
Cool bro you keep me so entertaining with your videos.
Franklin is just OP. One of the most OP characters in marvel that is.
Well, he WAS!
For Earth yea but in all of Marvel, no.
"I was the Impossible Boy who could dream the future. I was a god."
Xavier: You're not a mutant, even thou every cell in your body says you are one and even the Celestials called you one, so you're no longer welcome on Krakoa even thou we did kidnap you from your parents to bring you here.
Franklin Richards: So is Mister Sinister leaving?
Xavier: .... No, why would we do that?
Dumbest writing ever
@@2gogols agreed, I lost my faith in marvel writers in 2014 when they recton Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch being Magneto's children even thou that's been a fact in the comics since the 80's,
even thou countless alternate universes have them as his children,
even thou Marvel had already done the mystery story of whom their father was when it was questioned that the Whizzer could have been their father,
and the worst part, the story plot in the 2014 Axis storyline that confirmed that Magneto wasn't their father was because Scarlet Witch casted a spell that would kill those with shared blood with her, that killed her brother, and didn't do anything to Magneto, which means that decades of story telling could have been undone by something as simple as a blood/paternity test which considering that they're mutants as in they have powers based on DNA, its extremely stupid. writing
@@TheHulkbuster13 they keep trying to make the comics match the movies which is stupid cause the only reason the movies are so successful is cause they are based on the comics. Let the comics be the comics and the movies be the movies. Did they rewright the Lord of the rings books to match up with the movies or did the Tolkien estate just say cool beans and went to count there movie and book money and not change a thing.
@@TheHulkbuster13 Also no way Charles would treat a kid like that too lol.
He's one of the most empathetic characters on Marvel
I hope when he becomes a full time super hero. He calls himself FANTASTIC! Just the one word. Like invincible...
I wonder if Wiccan (Billy Kaplan, Scarlet Witch's son) as Demiurge could actually beat him, rewriting all the magic of the universe...
Good video by the way, keep up your good videos.
They both do
That's not a scalable feat so I wouldn't know. Rewriting reality isn't scalable because reality warping is hax and hax bypass durability therefore can't be scaled.
*"Boy Surpassing Celestials"*
Adult Franklin Richards: RISE!!! TO ME MY GALACTUS!!!
*And they proceed to massacre the entire Mad Celestials*
The MCU is doing chess when the F4 comes ready for Franklin
Awesome video. Tyrant is the greatest Herold Galactica has by far! They need to bring him back to action
TO BE FAIR, it was Dan Slott who rectonned Franklin being a mutant. Dan Slott got so much crap and criticism for that from fans, AND he also got so much criticism for making Johnny Storm cheat on his soulmate by hooking up with Doom's bride (Which was beyond out of character).
Remember when Dan Slott had so much crap and criticism for writing Spider-Man? And Nick Spencer and to come in and fix all the things Dan made? Yeah I can see that same thing happen to Fantastic Four in the future of comics.
3:45 you used to play make believe too , so did I when I was younger IvaN The UnStoppable !
He’s basically a plot device. Which is kind of cool, actually. You have this teenager who is basically omnipotent. Under Hickman, we saw his true potential .
"Omnipotent".... That word just shouldn't be used, because everytime someone has used it, they've used it incorrectly.
In the early Comics before I was born Franklin watching a TV commercial asking when he was going to grow up made himself into an adult afterwards not knowing who or what he was she was literally tearing the Four Freedoms plaza building apart and defeating the Fantastic Four until he realized he was by reading his mother's mind. After that he offered to fix Ben Grimm but did not realize that order to fix him all he needed to do was give him the power to cut his powers on and off here are Ben's subconscious fear and rather than giving him the ability to turn power on and off you reverted him back to his previous mutation because this was been with all the spikes after having gotten a second dose of cosmic radiation. But back to the portion of the video that started me making this comment at the end of Secret Wars was it 2015 the one where Doom became God kingdom once we took over Franklin literally created a Multiverse and with every Universe he created they put a sliver of the molecule man in it to tie the universe's into a Multiverse. So yeah I'm creating Multiverse you didn't even need to wait until you grew up for that he look like he was around 10 years old or somewhere in the preteen ages
Well he’s technically a mutant.
Franklin's Power is equivalent to 3 celestials
I don't know why they are impressed by his power anymore nor powers he has.
And I see comments saying that wanda could not with him, it is a joke, when it happens to have a feat outside the universal you could just do something
I can see Dr. Doom stealing Frankie's powers at some point ,hell he could be plotting that right now in the comics
Totally sounds like a Doctor Doom thing to do
He actually did try that. He also tried to sell Franklin’s soul to Mephisto.
@@matthewschwartz6607 Did he 😦? Victor not smart enough to realize All innocent children goes to Heaven & all rotten God fathers goes to hell ? ( Doom help born the Richards daughter & Frankie's sister , so in a sense Doom should be viewed as a God father to the child) No matter how smart Dr Doom is his arms is still too short to box with☁️ God 🌩!! A man GOT'S to know his LIMITATIONS
Disney seeing the fun universes Franklin made: My time to shine
Let's not forget that when Franklin turned a Celestial's blast into flowers and they tried to attack his mind, they were OUTSIDE of all reality
I know the right! I included that feat here!
In the picture of the video that little boy is Alex power not Franklin😂😁😁. But Franklin is freaking op just as a kid and a god as adult.
Google be trippin smdh
Oh Ole Franklin 😑😑😑😑 how the mighty have fallen.
Franklin Richard is OP (as in Omnipotent) as hell. For a kid this powerful to be able to create pocket universes/dimensions/realities and make a being like Galactus into his herald is just f***ing crazy and awesome as hell.
Boundless levels to extraversal levels multiple layers above creation (tier0 to 1s)
Wanda stans think she is on the same level as this monstrosity 💀
She ain't, she's more powerful
@@Chaos_rod25 Not sure about that. Although she has had a massive powerup. Maybe she will become more poweful.
@@Chaos_rod25 complete and utter bs. Wanda isn’t even the strongest witch.
@@tinasagapolu-pouhq9366 I'll bring up Franklin's best feat, and Wanda's best feat. Franklin: Significantly more powerful than his child self. Made a well-fed Galactus his Herald. Scarlet Witch: Her Chaos Magic was stated to equal the Phoenix Force so..... yea. If you want scans, I got em too.
@@Chaos_rod25 me when i'm delusional
Strength and durability:Child Franklin sky father level to sky father +aka creation level and several layers beyond =high outer + to boundless levels 4 layers (high 1a + to tier 0)
No kid. He is strong but he isn't that strong.
I wish someday he joins the young avengers
He doesn't need to.
Hax:reality warping, mind hax,teleportation, creating shields, matter manipulation, telekinesis
For some reason I think of him as a reality warping saiyan lol
Let's remember whenever we see Galactus it's not really him more so an avatar.
Lmaoo no
Just because he's cosmic energy inside a suit of armor, it doesn't mean he has a true form that scales to an archetypal idea. Galactus is just Galactus and there's one of him in every universe.
The marquis of death is stated to be the most powerful being in the marvel universe even more so the living tribunal, and I know the absolutely stupid way they beat him is dumb as fuck, but just ignore that.
14:00. This blonde boy is Power Pack's. It is not him, is it?
@@viniciusribeiro6451 You are correct, that is Alex Power.
Franklin Richards speed combat and travel:immeasurable speeds to irrelevant speeds layers into it
Been waiting for this one. Ivan do you do manga characters as well?
Toei animation won’t let me
Can you do a sunfire video?
Thank you
Hey love your video
What your thoughts of scarlet witch vs zatanna deathbattle
I’ll probably watch it later but I’m honestly not mad at whoever wins both strong af
This guy made Galactus his Herald
galactus is actually a rlly nice person despite destroying entire universes
Awesome
Why the hell wasn’t I Notified about this
RUclips be inconsistent lol even ppl with notifications on!
Heck Yeah!
I'd like you to scale Susan Mary from DC Comics.
a decent fed Galactus against bunch of low level celestials
IvaN The UnStoppable I was just watching your Wally West video from the year 2020 , when did you find out what a Googolplex is and how many large numbers do you know about and how did you find out about their existence ?
I used google and asked what’s the largest numbers
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable ok
Prime Franklin adult version sky father level +to abstract level beyond eternity 8 cosmos level and celestial or on there level
Wrong. He’s a mutant. That retcon is not recognized by fandom as legitimate
Can you do an update on how fast wally west is.
Immeasurable speed tier, same as Barry.
Hey bro, can you also do a video on arkham Batman, as he obe of the strongest character version of Batman, he is very strong, has a lot of lore, and has fought metahumans. Many compare him to insomniac's spiderman.
You don't other RUclipsrs covered him pretty well? Oh buddy Crisis killed it in his vid TBH
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable yeah, but you do it very good.
Ahhh I see! Preciate the Love!
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable so will you do it? Please
Let’s just say I got a lot on my plate and he isn’t necessarily priority since he got plenty of content on the tube already
I know Franklin Reed has plentiful Comic Books But he has no television series or movies?
Do you think you could make a video about how strong Kirby is?
I'm pretty sure the verse scales to Multiversal+ if I remember correctly.
how strong midnighter dc
Fast enough to speed blitz and kill a speedster , strong enough to destroy houses from the shockwaves of him boxing apollo.
Franklin isn't OP compared to the abstracts, the infinity gauntlet, the beyonder(s) but still respect him.
Bro what? Galactus and the celestials have been directly stated by marvel to be abstracts and Franklin has consistently been portrayed to be as strong or stronger than all of them and are you talking about the same infinity gauntlet that can’t manipulate anything outside of its home universe? Franklin can and has warped things outside of the universe he’s in. Hell even Wanda can.
@@Chiefteeth1 Eternity, infinity, Love, Hate, etc. These guys are above galactus and the celestials. What I meant by abstracts was the abstract tier. The Infinity Gauntlet could wipe out a multiverse and a higher dimension if it wanted to. You're committing a fallacy by stating it's limitation as it's power. Do you want to continue cuz I can keep teaching. I can name 12 or more ppl above Franklin.
@@Chaos_rod25 Infinity stones doesn’t affect other universes. It only can affect its own universe. Powerless outside.
@@AyeshSilva-e7e It's limited in where you can use it, not how much it can destroy. Someone with it can destroy the entire infinite multiverse plus more. 1 or more higher dimensional planes. Saying it can only affect one universe is committing a fallacy. If you read Infinity Gauntlet, you'd have seen Thanos fighting Eternity, Galactus, Celestials, The Stranger, etc. All multiversal+ or higher dimensional characters. So just cuz you can only use it in one universe doesn't affect it's power just a location limit.
@@AyeshSilva-e7e And if you even think about claiming all those guys are only universal, you're sadly mistaken. Do your research. Class dismissed.
Is there an Ultimate version of Franklin?
Only one version to the entire Omniverse of Marvel comics. 616
@@AyeshSilva-e7e idk, I remember the council of reeds abandoning their family and "children"
How about Matthew Malloy?
I'd say hes at least specter level
He will kill Wanda for Killing his dad. GAHAHAHA
He could try, he'd fail badly but he could try I guess
@@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556 he wouldnt even have to try
Goku left the chat
Hahaha
Hes prob the strongest being on earth
But then there's Scarlet Witch and Iron Man's Phoenix buster armor...
@@Chaos_rod25 to be fair scarlet is not nearly as strong as in house of m and also iron man's suit can be shut down by simply turning off its power source or replacing it with say... chocolate or a giant penny
@@memeboi2096 Yea but doesn't change the fact that Scarlet Witch said it herself, with enough prep, she can do it again and as for Tony yea that'll work but it doesn't change the fact that the suit is still more powerful than Franklin. You're talking hax, I'm talking scaling. NOT the same so, NEXT!
@@Chaos_rod25 ok hax are a part of scaling because say Franklin wants the strength of the hulk ok bam he can give that himself or he wants the speed of the silver surfer book there we go Franklin isn't physicaly strong without his powers its like Tony without his suit an ordinary human
@@memeboi2096 Hax cannot be scaled because they bypass durability. Mind hax, Soul hax, Reality warping hax, Conceptual manip hax, Existence Erasure hax, Biological manip hax of the target, Posion Manip, Spatial Manip, Time Manip, Morality manip, Subjective reality, Possesion, Power Nullification, Portal Creation, Madness manip, Power Absorption, etc. The list goes on. That's the point of hax. Plz continue to argue a moot point right now. FR doesn't need the Hulk's strength or Silver Surfers speed. His power is his own and is beyond them both so your point? Demolished that's what.
I just wanna say, there's a dummy lurking the comments stating Wanda during House of M is planetary which logically doesn't make sense because in her base form she can while out a solar system but no if you divide your IQ points enough to get to his level, it's somehow a fact because everything seems smart at that level.
Dude, talk slower, explain the point in depth and make sure you keep the viewer informed. Slow down ffs!
Bet!
Hi
People like to say Scarlet witch isn't as powerful as Franklin Richards. Don't know why cuz Franklin is multiversal+ while House of M/prepped Wanda is low complex multiversal. More powerful than Franklin.
Thats the problem tho.. ur using a higher Scarlett witch than normal while frank is like this in base.. Wanda walking around in base level isn’t house of m levels
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable Of course I know this. But people don't bring up prepped scarlet witch that's the problem. They say Franklin is the most powerful mutant when he's not. Marquis is above Franklin as well. Not trying to hate on Franklin but he isn't the most powerful mutant. Close tho.
It's not fair that's why . Cause in comics everyone has overpowered forms . But it would be stupid to bring up as their base cause they aren't like that 99% of the time..
If somebody came up to you and said venom can take on celestials you will look at them like they're crazy right? But God of Light Venom(amped from outside powers) probably could but he isn't like that 99% of the time which is a crucial detail when you bring up these conversations.
it will be like saying venom is stronger than almost everybody because he was strong enough to take on knull (celestial tier being) when he was amped up in that occasion when he's not always like that
That's the difference between Wanda vs Frank
Base Wanda ain't touching Base Frank.. is what I think ppl mean when they compare the 2.. I think everyone already knows house of m is on another lvl
@@IvaNTheUnStoppable Just testing casual scalers and whatnot. Not you. The real problem is people who don't say the specific version of the character. But yes I only bring up prepped Wanda and Marquis of Death when people say Franklin is the most powerful mutant. I get you tho Ivan. He's the second most powerful mutant in base state that's why I bring up Marquis of Death. I don't argue base Wanda and Franklin it's dumb.
@@Chaos_rod25 Franklin is high 1b to high 1A in other words high outerverseal
Adult Franklin>>>>any version of scarlet witch.. I'm debating anyone
💀 you have to be joking. Franklins strong but isnt even close to scratching wandas power what's with the Franklin overhype recently 😭
Don't be that guy
No, i stand with my claim ,adult frank(especially end of time Franklin) >>>>any version of Wanda... House of m Wanda according to history of the marvel universe only affected the planet, everything else has been Retconned and even if it wasn't,frank at that point was the ultimate creator of the marvel multiverse. Wanda nor chthon has ever held such power
@@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556 stop
@@oluwadamilola6233 yes the keyword there being multiverse, like yeah he was creating multiverses. There's no proof or anything to even suggest that Franklin is creating marvels entire cosmology, that's like someone saying tell you you they built a wooden box and then you assuming they built the universe.
You also speak of hom as if it's her best feat or her most powerful which is just simply untrue and the fact you think so speaks a lot about your knowledge of Wanda.
Wandas power was so immense that pre retcon beyonders power was stated to be "nothing" in comparison, that puts her far above him.
Doom was using Wanda's power as a bridge to making his mind one with toaa. her power granted ascension to doom
A weaker wanda blocked the force of all of creation from the Hoi itself, which means she literally blocked all of marvel
And she beat chthon who is one of the strongest elder gods far above Frankin, by nature he's above all abstracts, skyfathers and other demons including shuma gorath who I'm sure you don't need explaining how powerful shuma is (Less powerful old ones are relative to abstracts of the universe like Galactus) chthon is beyond the 5th host celestials, beyond true eternity and at the level of the dreamtime aka collective unconscious meaning he can significantly affect the dreamtime this puts him above pretty much all of marvels cosmology not including the House of ideas.
Also what’s your discord
Don’t do discord