Flint’s Suburbs Are Seeing Decline Too
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- Mt. Morris, Michigan is a Flint suburb that has seemed to be trending in the wrong direction for a few decades now. Given how high the poverty rates are and the higher than average crime rate, I wouldn't be surprised if that trend continues for a while, at least for Mt. Morris Charter Township.
0:00 - 7:02 City of Mt. Morris
7:02 - 10:08 Mt. Morris Charter Township
10:08 - 21:54 Abandoned Retail along Clio and Pierson Rd
21:54 - 29:07 More of Mt. Morris Charter Township
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So happy you did this video on Mount Morris and flint.
I moved to Flushing with my parents in 1971. I moved back to my hometown after I graduated in 1983. My entire family has moved back to the west side, near Lake Michigan. Poverty is worse here, as I live in the 2nd poorest county in the state. But, I'm away from the city & that's awesome. I was just in Mt. Morris/Clio a month ago, visiting a friend. It looked a little run down compared to 15 years ago. I did fond a Big John's Steak & Onion, which made my day!
You drove by my house! Twice! Clio Rd. used to be hoppin' back in the day, lots of car lots, restaurants, and the building at 14:05 used to be Grapevine Records & Tapes, which was a huge record store in the late 70's and early 80's! Bought lots of stuff there, most of which I still have! It is a shame what's happened to the whole area the last few years, only can pray that things will get better!
Grew up in Mt. Morris as did my parents. Graduated in 1974. It is heart wrenching to see what has happened to the whole Flint area. Since 1980, I've lived in Adrian, MI in Lenawee County (Both have their issues that mirror Flint and vicinity). I no longer go back to Mt .Morris. It's just too painful.
I feel the painful part too as I was born and raised in Flint. It's so hard and depressing to go back, although having a coney every time seems to ease that a little bit. The despair is so heartwrenching. So stagnant and dismal. I live in Okemos, which is right outside of Lansing, much better than life in Genesee County.
Don't feel bad. General Motors was the gold rush until it died to make Flint and surrounding areas a ghost town.
@@ladyofmyheart sorry, the coney is gone to. If Koegle closes we are really in deep dudu.
This brought tears to my eyes yes I am from flint I left flint in the winter of 84 headed to Houston tx but when I was in flint it was never like that we stayed off of carpenter Rd and Clio rd right in front of northwestern high school and not have seen the city in years this was really sad to me when you drove down Clio Rd everything was gone my first job at Wilco dept store alone with many others 🥺 but I still hold many memories of flint in the 70s and 80s wen it was ok from a young boy who never had nothing lol 😀 thanks for sharing your video ... C/O 78 NORTHWESTERN HIGH SCHOOL WILDCATS...
I graduated Northwestern in 1971 and my first real job was at Chatham Arms apartments across the street from the HS. Sooo....Saaad
Jequinn, It was "Woolco"
I live in Mount Morris and I will say, it's the trailer park of Genesee county. A lot of addicts. There was a prostitute that looked like a wood elf ranger, but haven't seen her since October so I think she got arrested. Not a lot of job opportunities out here either, gotta drive out of town to find something that isn't gas station or fast food.
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I've driven through the area a number of times on the way north. Both Mount Morris and Mount Morris Twp. seem to have disproportionately high numbers of bars, strip clubs, tattoo parlors, weed dispensaries and plasma donation centers given the sparse population.
And I will never forget when it made national headlines, after a first grade student shot and killed a classmate with a gun he found at the crackhouse where his uncle was living
To quote the immortal Bette Davis "What a dump!"
I only pass through Mt Morris to go to the cemetery Flint Memorial park but I have never examined it in depth. Like Flint in some aspects it is a place of days gone by. However it is home to many and their families and I respect that.
I love your dry dead pan sense of humor btw! You really say a lot that way. Somehow I find your videos very comforting, -been watching since you were Nostalgia Tours back in 2020. Your Chanel was a healing bittersweet mental balm during those tough and sad times!
Your videos are so awesome! You're very thorough in your data and you cover the cities very well.
I interviewed for a teaching job at Mt Morris high school last year and was really disappointed when I never got a call back.
Now im way less disappointed
Two of my good friends (married couple, 79 & 82 years old) grew up in Mt. Morris, and back then it was a nice community. My family moved there in the 1970s, just before things got bad financially, and during the 1980s I briefly taught at the high school. Everyone remembered the time when a student could drop out of high school on Friday and go to work for General Motors the following Monday and earn more than his teachers, so some folks didn't place a lot of value on education.
I wonder if this is the result of an algorithm Peter Drucker wrote in 1964
Corporate traitors
Mt Morris city has certainly declined over the years. My parents had friends who lived there and we visited when I was a kid in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s it seemed nice then. I’ve only been there a few times in recent years. A friend of mine and a cousin were buried in the cemetery there and a friend opened a restaurant there which failed.
The famous 1953 Beecher Tornado passed through Mt Morris Twp and the Beecher district causing great destruction and loss of life.
Mt Morris Twp is big in area and much of it is semi rural. The parts of it west of Linden Rd along Pierson Rd , Kelly Rd, Flushing Rd identify with Flushing. The businesses and homes in the area have Flushing mailing addresses and the kids attend Flushing schools. It’s a bit more affluent than other parts of the Township. Mt Morris Twp police patrol the area.
The Meijer that was closed down closed because it was “no longer profitable”. Same for that Kroger you mentioned and a briefly opened Hamadys store. The Long John Silver closed and was torn down after a fire and the Burger King simply closed. Another business across from where Meijers used to be closed down after a fatal shooting. A motel nearby was closed due to shootings and prostitution. That area of Pierson Rd and I-75 has gone downhill fast in the last decade.
Both Kroger and Meijer had a lot of theft. Same thing with the brief reintroduction of Hamadys. Too bad, but people are so poor there. I can't imagine a grocery store staying in business now with the rise of food costs.
It is what it is. It’s a shame. I thought that the difference between flushing and Mt. Morris was night and day.
@@ChrisHarden The contrast between the cities of Flushing and Mt Morris, is very different. Elms Rd divides the City of Flushing and Mt Morris Twp and that confuses even the locals as the east side is still a Flushing address even though it is Mt Morris Twp. There are quite a few traffic accidents at the corner of Elms and Pierson and sometimes both police departments respond. By the way, the Flushing Kroger is in the City of Flushing. Their traffic has increased quite a bit since the Meijer and Kroger to the east closed.
I remember leaving Meijer one night and seeing five (yes, FIVE) police cars tearing into the parking lot of that hotel.
Still live in Flint. I've never considered Mt. Morris a suburb. Interesting 🤔
We always considered it a part of Flint.
My Grandparents lived on N Jennings Rd in a Pepto Bismol pink house. So many memories of his garden, vines, fruit trees. Her Sunday chicken soup luncheons after church at St Michael's Byzantine. Easter dinners, her rose trellis....😢
On the corner of Stanly rd ?
@@larrygoddard7352 not far from it. We'd get off 75, turn left, a coupla miles then right on Jennings Rd. They were a mile or two down. It's been a VERY long time. Ruhala was the name.
@@joycetrembath499 it doesn't ring a bell but that pink house has been there for years and still is
@@larrygoddard7352 😅
I learned shortly after moving to Flint that you don't go through Mt Morris with a crack anywhere on your windshield. 😆
Just purchased my first home in mount morris 2 years ago and this place is very quickly turning into a hell hole, where the pool hall is there's an accident or fight between road ragers DAILY constantly people racing and doing burnouts in the intersections, never a night without gunshots and or drunk idiots roaming the streets and I live in arguably the best neighborhood in mount morris
You have to build an environment that allows communities to build local wealth and building wide endless roads and parking lots for big box stores isn't gonna build wealth for the community.
The Mt.Morris Education and Community Center was an elementary school when I went there 37 years ago. It was for grades 4-6.
I figured as such. It looked like it was a traditional public school at some point.
I went to elementary school and junior high to grade 8 at what is now the Education and Community Center. My parents graduated from that building when it was the junior/high school. In ninth grade, 1970/71 school year, we moved to what is now the middle school as Elisabeth Ann Johnson High School opened up.
That is one of the oldest schools still standing. In the area
thanks for taking us with you!!
after watching your videos, I didn't realize how rural Michigan still is. Traveling up and down the east coast , I have realized there is still a lot of undeveloped land.
Almost every city is like this, even New York has its rural areas
A state with a vast rural landscape that’s ready for you to explore… that’s Pure Michigan.
Your journey starts at Michigan dot org.
I hope Michigan -and every state - jealously guards its rural, “undeveloped” beauty. I’m not a fan of urban sprawl and endless subdivisions.
That’s Me In That Yellow Car 😭😂
I live in Flushing MI next to Mt Morris twp and east side. This s a safe city I don't lock my car doors and have Never have a y trouble in this area. Great place to ride bicycles!
Clio road looks sad. Hope something positive will be done in this township to get some businesses there in the future.
Hopefully!
Grocery stores have closed in north Flint into Mt. Morris and Beecher due to too much loss due to shoplifting. The national chains have all closed and some lesser known independent stores have tried to serve the area area but also found they could not make money in that section of Genesee County.
I worked in the area (thankfully didn't live there) for over 20 years and saw major depreciation of the quality of life. GM left town and there really wasn't anything to take its place. GM paid so well that when I first worked in the area I did not run into any young adult men who had college on their radar. When I asked why I soon learned the answer. A GM worker who just graduated from high school could earn more than I with a Masters. Why are there so few adults with college degrees in Genesee County? I think I just answered it. This area is economically dead even though the local politicians say otherwise.
The abandoned gas station on Clio and Stanley was an Archies station at one time. I live less than a mile east of there off Stanley Rd.
Excellent job of keeping it real Chris ✌🏾
22:53
What the.....
bile yellow siding and red shutters
.... nice
Please do a video on Clio, Michigan. I lived there in 1980.
ive heard chatter that gm is investing in 5 new plants to include an engine plant truck suv V 8 GAS BABY
It's been so deindustrialized that it's almost completely barren now. Endless swaths of blight and with that crime. I remember growing up we stayed out of Beecher and Mt. Morris.
make a video on flint township, if theres any “suburb” thar still stands well its that one linden rd, court st, corunna, miller rd, dye rd, etc
My best friend grew up in Mount Morris 💜 Her big house was on the corner of Helen St & it was beautiful with Lilac bushes, roses & flowers galore. Just a lovely home. Mt Morris use to ha e pride of ownership. It was a nice area to live. 🌹
Your videos are excellent. I especially love the segments with the hood music in the BG 👊
Wow that's really severe decline in Mt. Morris Township! Interesting that it went into severe decline while it was growing but still majority rural and undeveloped. That look of exurbia but in seemingly terminal decline is really depressing for some reason!
I agree. You don’t see it very often.
Pretty much every Midwest town is tied to the auto industry so what do you expect when they pull out? Diversify to what? You can thank NAFTA for what has happened here in Michigan. The big Three earned there supply chain issue they are experiencing right now!
There is a Saint Marys school and church in waterloo, Iowa too. But the one in waterloo is about to be demoed.
I fly from Kansas City to Mt. Morris once a month. I had never been to Mt. Morris before 2022 but it looks like it used to be a nice town back in the day.
I really hope there's better days for Flint and the surrounding suburbs. They've been through a lot
Same! Although most of Flint’s suburbs are at least decent.
Nope...done
Sorry, it's over.
Nice cruise .
Cloudy skies and music add to gloom and doom feeling
Always enjoy when the urban beats drop. That's typically when the interest level ramps up 👀
Haha
The prices of homes is dropping like a lead balloon with an anchor...about to become a ghost town
lol The community center back many years ago was the high school. By the time I attended it was the middle school grades 4-6.
Current Census on both of these suburbs compared to the 2000 census explains it.
Moved to Swartz Creek,Flint after graduated from Morrice HS class 1977.
You know Mark Briggs from Morrice? Probably your age? Very small area
Nice job, Chris!
I'm glad you mentioned Mount Morris, NY. It is a very nice little town.
I think Linden Road was the nicest part. No doubt, a lot of those motorhomes were being loaded up for retirees to drive to Florida for the winter.
Looking forward to seeing Swartz Creek!
The Pierson Rd I-75 was Really built up in 70-90s? Is all torn down now.
Born and raised Beecher Buc right here.. Kinda curious on how it looks since I haven’t been there in 18yrs.
Shitty lol
It doesn’t look anything like that anymore 😢
1:30 worked at the rite aid on the left for two years. Not my favorite area ever but it's okay
Born in Flint in 1950, raised in Lapeer and lived there for 50 years. I remember a time when Mt Morris, and all of the surrounding Flint areas were bustling with businesses. before GM stopped making cars in Flint. after that, everything hit the skids. Flint itself is making somewhat of a comeback. I live in Knoxville now for the past 20 years
I like some of the changes that have occurred in Downtown Flint. I’m rooting for the area.
Sorry brother, no comeback here. Only a weak attempt.
@@ChrisHarden good luck with that
I see now that I'm looking at the video further that it looks like you did kind of going to beacher a bit I have posted that comment before watching it lol
This isn't just mismanagement
I grew up in Mt. Morris as well and when I was younger it was nice. Definitely a good place to raise your kids. Now, it's turned into a dump!! It's so heartbreaking to see such a good town go to shit.
OH OH when you do Fenton, make sure you come to "The Ghetto" NE nehborhood of Silver Lake and LeRoy! Totally Ghetto! Or at least that is what the city thinks of us apparently.
Fenton? Ghetto? Nooo way haha.
I’m sure the city council thinks their shit doesn’t stink. Fenton still blows away Grand Blanc. GB has always thought of itself as something it isn’t.
I grew up in Mt Morris. It was a nice place to live . Not sure about now
Everyone goes to Mt Morris for the mounds rv park
Genesee County has other suburban communities that are quite nice. Mt Morris is not comparable to say, Flushing, Grand Blanc, or Davison.
Sure hope its true.
I think the United States is pretty much also going in the shiter
Yes
been to mt. Morris thousands of times many relatives that use to live there and i lived in clio at one time -----Many Years ago Mt. Morris went down hill
This is my town
It's a dump
A lot of utility work on the streets. Replacing lead water pipes?
No, new natural gas lines.
I don't think mt Morris ever had lead pipes
OH MY GOSH I SEE MY HOUSE
Believe it or not, this is still a really nice area compared to Flint
My Mom and Dad grew up in Mt Morris. I spent my first 15 yrs there. Mt Morris was safer back in my days.
Mt Morris is a Getto 😂
Gosh, why does it seem like everyone left Flint. Is it because there is nothing here for anyone?
I left before General Motors shutdown. Now that they are gone, what is left. Poverty.
I tried to Mount Morris. He got kinda upset 😔
Boy, this area was my old service area for my job 15 years ago. Not much has changed other than some of the corner gas stations are closed up and look pretty rough.
Maybe lessons from Curtis Stone could help 😉
If you get a degree, they throw you out of town.
I lived in Mt Morris for 11 years even after moving back to Flint my kids continued to go to Mt Morris. Mt Morris is way better and safer then Flint!!! Evidently the man doing this video is from the area!!!
Thank you! I lived in mt morris for 4 years with who was my ex boyfriend now. My family really didn't like that we were living there because it was close to Beecher. We lived on Beach Street before moving to hazel Park apartments. Nothing bad happen to us because we had a security system.
Everywhere in Michigan is depressing besides Grand Rapids. I'm in Lansing and it's awful.
Not true at all. Get out more.
Call meat market in Beecher and they answer the phone............"Beecher meat". HAHA........Old joke from back in the 80's in the area.
Also id like to add, the residents are hard working people who decided to go to work instead of rackingvup a six figure student loan debt. Everyone cant be a college grad. Somone still has to make the dough nuts.
Might as well be Beecher🤣
The future is very dark for Mt. Morris, Clio, Flushing and really, any nice city that surrounds Flint! Just facts!
Problems like this are accelerated by the government practice of sending problems elsewhere rather than deal with them. Basically wherever the social services money is and people can live for free, you are not going to be attracting the best of the best in productive society.
You have to admit what a great deal globalism has been for America the jobs just hollowed right out. How did we ever end up with such geniuses in office who came up with such a brilliant idea?
If they want jobs bad enough build lots of prisons 😮😮😮😮
I think it's pretty clear why MT. Morris is quickly becoming a cesspool! Its sad, I spent a lot of time growing up there but it's no longer the place it used to be!
Why don’t you just say what you mean?
Ill speak up. Ain't no hate in the 48458. It may not be a post card town, but is exsepting. We have room for everyone. Its where i call home . Have since 1985, my wife grew up here its been her home since her birth. There are a lot of beautiful people in mt morris and shes one of them. Bet you didnt know 1977 gallery girl next door was from mt morris. There was a fatal stand off at a liquor store across from elementary on mt morris road . It made national news. I dont know what your point is but i know this, im proud of my town. Ill take mt morris over any other town in the area just for the six smoke shops. We got nothing to hide and we don't judge. We should all be working together not taering each other down. United we bargain divided we beg.
Back in the day, Mt Morris was considered a big step up from Beecher and Flint's north side. You can get a good feel for what it was if you are a member of Classmates. Look at the yearbooks back then and now for Beecher, Mt Morris and Flint Northwestern. Looking at Clio Rd, if you add some tropical plants and throw in some chickens running around.....it becomes Haiti.
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Nailed it!
I live here
There is nothing near Flint, Michigan that is not declining.
Lots of investors come here because it is cheap and they think they can make a buck. Hahaha. Good luck with that.
Even the poor and homeless can't come here anymore because the investors come in and raise the cost of living.
That’s not our suburbs lol
Defeating the evil RUclips algorithm!!!!
That’s what’s up!
Why don't you show grand Blanc or Fenton you know the cities you probably stayed in lmao
My hometown….seeing it through your eyes is shameful…if you get a chance and like authentic Mexican food…stop at los Cabo’s… you won’t regret it… it’s right downtown, hidden gem
I’m not trying to shame anyone or anything. I just want to speak the truth of everywhere that I go and see. I couldn’t ignore the economic stats, the crime rate and the blight I saw going through the township. The city seemed much nicer than other areas of the township.
I believe you! Most cities & towns have a decent Mexican restaurant or two.
@@ChrisHarden oh I love your honesty…i didn’t take it that way… I guess living there it doesn’t look so bad when you whiz by in your vehicle every day😂it’s just sad as I was born and raised in Genesee county and watched it all die
Sorry to say it but there’s no good Mexican food in Genesee county.
@@hughjhardon8080 You are a lie we got some real good Mexican food here like la azteca,El especial,el potrero we got a few good mexican spots lol.
Facts los cabos is so good lol i gotta go back its been a minute😆
There are much better parts to the township than what you have shown here. Next time try to put a focus on what's good instead.
Of all your videos, I have a lot I could go on and ask many questions about the content of this video in the light of trying to understand. Normally in my experience an area like this would be thriving with entrepreneurs and families relieved to be out of in this case Flint. But this video is full of abandoned grocery stores new car dealerships and lumber yards. Possibly a Walmart ? Main St will not survive if the big stores on the connectors are leaving on their own. Gas stations, car washes and grocery stores leaving abandoned property is a horrible sign of a dead economy. I mean nobody needs gas or food? Wow… your most shocking video yet.
Please don’t take this guy’s videos as thorough lol. He skips a lot of area and misses things like yes there is a nearby Kroger. Kroger & SAL are both WITHIN Mt Morris. There are two VGs locations and Walmart within 15 minutes of MM. Mt morris township, particularly the area he was showing on Clio and Pierson road, are within 15 minutes of a Beuchre’s and kroger in flushing, Kroger near the miller rd corridor in flint, one in burton. He also fully skipped the north end of MM, which has a lot of cool new dispensaries, a park, elementary schools, and a great Mexican restaurant. Like MM isn’t anything special, and the township commercial area is rooooough, but it would probably be helpful if he talked to people from the area and didn’t spend his time gawking at the lower income areas of the township for the majority of the video. No one refers to the township as mt morris either, and I don’t understand why he only covered mm city downtown. The mt morris address extends much further.
Hi Amber.
I’m not gawking at lower income areas in the video.
Thanks for your interest in watching the video and for your comment.
You managed to show all the areas that were slumy. I have lived in Mt morris off Bray road north of Mt Morris road and it is a great place to live. I farming area and I do.not live in poverty. This assessment is not all true
How well will you be doing though once the price of eggs goes back down?
He didn't say 100% poverty rate!
Do more history about flint then do your video…….just sayin
… Huh? Lol
Believe it or not my Morris has new businesses coming in and even brand new buildings
The apartment complex he pulled out of In the very start of the video is a KNOWN Fentynal drug dealing spot lol