Sonic Chronicles The Dark Brotherhood - What Happened? ft. SomecallmeJohnny
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"At least you can always count on Sonic's soundtrack- OH NO!"
SA1 Knuckles: “Oh no!”
This game sucks but at least I can listen to the soundtrack. (puts on Headphones and listens to the God-awful "music").
Nope they couldn't even do that right.
AOSTH Robotnik: "Oh no."
@@thunderlightningbolt6597 Someone’s doing remixes of these tracks. They sound awesome. I recommend them.
Search Sonic Chronicles Reimagined soundtrack.
Jonathan Joestar: OH NO!
When "Original Character, Do Not Steal" was used unironically, and led to a nasty consequence...
Whenever Batman is used, you see the name of his creators, Bob Kane and Bill Finger.
Sega and team Sonic tried the slight on giving Penders his credits. Just giving credit isn't that big of a deal. But they were pretty hard asses about it. Bob Kane for example didn't own detective comics or Batman at the end of the day, but he still gets credit for creating him cause DC aren't dicks.
@@CornBreadtm1 I mean Finger and Kane created him and specifically sold the rights to DC back in the day (well, Kane did and for decades DC couldn't even credit Finger even though he'd arguably done more, tl;dr Kane was kind of a dick), it's all about what your contract says. If it says the company owns it, the company owns it. While Penders has issues it honestly strikes me as being entirely on Archie for not keeping a record of the contract he signed. (It is possible to retain ownership on something created in the context of someone else's IP, see the Gaiman/MacFarlane lawsuit.)
@@CornBreadtm1 no, just Bob Kane last I checked. Finger was sidelined.
@@CornBreadtm1 to be fair, penders was a douchy creep with an ego anyways
@@ositorga That's not going to hold up as a good reason to do anything in court. It does look good on a resume to become president though.
"Sonic Chronicles The Dark Brotherhood is a good game." - Johnny, 2008
"Wow, I really said that, didn't I?" - Johnny, 2017
Johnny (2008) reminds me of when I find some old-ass youtube comment I made when I was in like high school that I delete on sight. I think the only reason I sue this youtube account still is to be able to purge my dumbass highschool self from youtube.
@@Exarian I have never seen a more relatable reply in my life
Beat me to it
@@Exarian I'm 35 now and there's still some of my forum posts up from 2001 back when I was a happy-go-lucky teenager amazed at everything. I'm so glad the weight of the world crushed my hopes and dreams n_n
I know that feeling.
I unironically loved this game when I was ten and was seriously disappointed that the cliffhanger at the end was never resolved. Seeing how cheap it looks in retrospect is so funny
Same tbh. I genuinely enjoyed the game when I was younger,though I feel like it was mostly just due to my love of Sonic and RPGs...Because looking back on it now I don't know what I saw in it outside of that novelty.
Real shame this is the franchise's only attempt at the genre.
Same here. I still have the case.
Yeah same, I am not a Sonic fan but that cliffhanger kills me!
@@Jangobadass Can't. He is the main reason that Sonic comics didn't suck lol. Without him they are total garbage these days. Sonic storylines were rivaling X-men and Batman back in the day. Miss those days.
If it weren't for the stylus controls and my shaky hands, I'd still love this game. I'm used to jank, but I literally can't beat this game anymore because it requires you to be SO DANG *PRECISE.*
Ken Penders is an underdog story where everyone HATES the underdog!
HO-
We associate the underdog with the good guy, but sometimes the underdog is just a bitch.
@@tentaclesmod I believe the term for a small but loud, annoying dog with an unwarranted huge ego is a Scrappy.
@@subtlewhatssubtle Comparing Ken Penders to Scrappy is frankly an insult to Scrappy.
Sonic Brotherhood: Aka the game that got Ken Penders triggered enough that he destroyed the Canon of Sonic Archie comics.
There's actually a fan reboot of the original Archie cannon. Hopefully he doesn't sue that.
To be fair, it takes a special kind of egotistical writer to do what Penders did.
Wait, what?
Seriously?
May I have source?
@@Wubsy96 sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_Penders%27_legal_cases
@@Wubsy96 sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_Penders%27_legal_cases
That guy should’ve added Pikachu ears and a tail to his Sonic OCs, that way they’d be legit and copyrightable
@@theonlybilge all I really heard about him was the lawsuit and a little about his comics, but the little I’ve seen definitely gave off CWC vibes to me
Thanks Penders. You continue to be a blight on the series.
Now go shove Knuckles into a microwave.
Bioware: We made a Sonic game where he doesn't go fast and with a cliff-hanger.
From then on, a curse was set at Bioware. It waited, and then struck with ME3, and grew progressively worse ever since.
I'd say it struck with Dragon Age 2 first.
They called it magic, but they never understood the nature of that magic.
@Prestin Hurshberry Didn't the fact that Bioware was acquired by EA shortly there after, the writer of the comics being a baby and trying to sue for the 100% original idea of a shady ancient organization and the expected bad reception of a Sonic game that dares to break the mold had more to do with cancelled sequel than a new entry in the series that was coming out regardless of the RPG spin-off?
Actually he goes really fast in the battles, so that's not entirely true. Three turns in the time most everyone else gets only one or two :p.
@@KotCR Battles in general are very fast even when most characters and enemies can attack more than twice per turn.
So that's why people dislike this "Ken Penders" so badly, I heard it as due to some creepy self-insert stuf
Oh, the self-insert shit doesn't help, and there are numerous other issues on top of that, but this is the only one that directly impacted the franchise as a whole.
Penders is just an asshole.
I mean, we hate the self insert stuff too...
People hate him because his stories make no sense and didn't belong in a comic aimed at kids. He was also a nightmare to work with. Look up a video about him. It's fascinating.
@@Oh-Ben Oh, I’m an Archie fan. Believe me, I know.
@@Oh-Ben So a more triggered Rob Liefeld/ John Kricfalusi.
I bet you could make a whole episode of Wha Happun about the Ken Penders incident. I know I'd watch that!
Maybe watch a little longer!
@@MattMcMuscles I did, actually! Watched the whole thing in one sitting. I'll be honest, what I meant was going into a bit more detail. I know it wasn't the main focus of the video (this is about the game itself), but I would like to see you expand upon the whole thing, specifically the aftermath. How this affected the Sonic franchise, Penders' "Lara-Su Chromicles" thing he's trying to write, etc. Heck, not too long ago, he claimed he owned the rights to Shade the Echidna, one of the new characters introduced in Sonic Chronic (love that name), which... shouldn't be possible.
Though if you'd rather not talk about it, that's fine too. I'll take what I can get.
@@jimmyrobinson6185 Ahhh gotcha. Sorry, lots of people write comments before finishing the video.
As for doing that? No, I'm good lol. My head hurt enough reading through the timeline of events as it was.
@@MattMcMuscles Yeah, that's fair. It'd probably be better to wait and if that Lara-Su Chronicles media project or whatever comes out and mention it there. Until then, keep doing what you're doing.
@@richardnash6111 I saw somewhere that Ken gave up the rights to Shade.
Really, you could make this entire series nothing but 2000s games of 90s mascots like Sonic or Crash and have a few “seasons” worth of drama.
Or spyro.
Tbh the 2000s was a hard time for a lot of established mascots.
A lot of that had to do with FPS games becoming in vouge
Basically 90s Gamers grew up and wanted their games to grow up too
Which kind of went full circle and now gamers just want them good
At least those two are back on their feets (I think). And we really need to get a sort of Sonic 3D Mania (more Breath of the Wild, less 3D World), I just want to see how the Mania team will take on a 3D Sonic, and I really want to see the take of the "Classic Sonic" continuity on characters introduce since 1998.
@SirRetro's Pit of Despair Crash 4 hit the balance really well for plot. It’s gameplay first, but has some really charming cutscenes with an engaging plot that takes itself just about serious enough while keeping the wacky Western animation-inspired Crash tone intact.
@@supermakermatic2111 That's Great to hear!
The sad part about the Penders dilema is that, Sega themselves may not ever bother expanding Knuckle’s backstory anymore without risks of it sharing any similarities to Pender’s character’s or lore.
I mean, technically Sega could fight and get away with it, but seeing how they just didn’t even try to stop him for the Archie run, it’s one more reason for them to not try and flesh out their characters.
This incident also lead to the creation of the infamous Sega mandates the new comics follow, limiting what the new writers can do with the characters to avoid things going off rails like when Pender was writing.
Slight misconception, it didn't _create_ the SEGA mandates but it did tighten them the hell up.
The mandates were always there. Mina Mongoose's entire existence happened because Archie's editors wanted to do a love triangle with Sonic and Sally, but SEGA forbade them from using Amy as the third wheel. Even further back, Ken Penders wanted to kill Sally in the End Game saga, but SEGA pulled her out of the fire because they were intending to sell SatAM merch at the time.
But it was only for really big things like those examples where SEGA actually paid any attention to the comics, until the more recent ones. Ironically they came at the wrong time, too late to stop Ken Penders from pissing all over the earlier issues, but ended up limiting the comic when they actually had an organised creative team finally put together.
Their first notable appearance in the post-Penders era was around 2007, where they cut the Eggman Empire and House of Cards arcs down to three and two issues respectively, as they refused to allow status-quo shakeups like Sonic losing to Eggman's giant mechanic plot armour suit, or Sonic and Tails fighting, to last longer than an issue or two at most.
They only got really restrictive slightly _before_ Penders tore everything down, when Archie's contract was up for renewal and SEGA took the opportunity to tighten their control over the book. This was around the point when Sonic and Tails suddenly became unable to address their parents as such, the planned Sonic/Amy date was scuttled, and Sonic's emotional intelligence took a nosedive and his personality became 99% snark, as SEGA believed him showing emotion wasn't 'cool'. This, combined with the confusing decision to shove all the characters that were allowed to emote out of the door contributed to the final arc of the preboot being significantly less impactful than it should've been, as Sonic seemed to be able to cruise through his friends enduring all manner of personal tragedies with a trademark grin and a snappy quip that always seemed more insensitive than funny.
Archie Sonic died a death of a thousand cuts, and most of them were inflicted by SEGA trying to course-correct after Penders dealt most of the others.
No it didn't, this incident expedited the mandates implimentation, but the mandates themselves were already on their way regardless. It was more of a result of SEGA's soft reset of the franchise starting with Free Riders. If you read the alleged mandates, only one, arguably two, are in relation to anything Penders had done.
@@alicecera7512 try a whole series. still can't believe that a thing and still is iirc.
Yeah, Penders didn't create the idea that there are more than a few Enchidna. He just made like 99% of them. He's Knuckles comic was pretty well received. A lot of the time when it was combined with the Sonic Comic, it had more pages than Sonic. So people really liked it. Had some cool out of this world shit in there like Knuckles turning into a God and shit lol.
No Sega are just incompetent with writing. It would not be hard to write some good shit for the echidna and be distinct enough to avoid penders.
That's called fucking writing in general.
How many stories are there that are similar yet different from each other?
Damn near all of them.
Today on a thrilling new episode of Ken Penders Ruins Everything...
Can't wait for the fan remake of this to come out (Sonic Chronicles Reimagined). It's looking really impressive so far.
@@James11111 make bad ideas
Maybe not by Sega, but by Ken Penders, very likely yes.
@@James11111 Sega is a pretty cool guy. Eh does gams and doesn't cease and desist anything
I kinda dont understand why in the first place. The game is so bland.
@@demiliomason1565 Isn't that a good reason why? There is a chance to improve upon what failed rather just chase what a successful game had.
"Archie's team of lawyers, headed up by Jughead Jones..."
Legend.
Imagine being so mad at a video game that you end up destroying an entire alternate universe
I finally started reading the Sonic comics right when its timeline was reset, and the whole series was really solid. Perfect for Sonic fans and really well written in general. It's still a shame that the Archie series ended, but I'm glad that the team was able to carry on through the new IDW Sonic series. Ian Flynn is awesome, Ken Penders can fuck off
Ooooooooooooohhh, um unfortunately that character was made by Penders and unless things actually change when it comes to the situation with his characters, they won't be back in any official capacity for the Sonic franchise.
@@mitchellhancock7920 I think enough time has passed now that we don't even need to go back to any of the Penders characters. Flynn and his team have proven twice over now that they can build a good roster of new original characters. I'd much rather they work something out so they can bring in some of the Post-Genesis Wave characters they introduced. The different Egg Bosses were especially fun and interesting.
Did you just say Nintendo Double Screen...?! Nintendo... DS?! What?!?! THAT'S what DS stands for?!
I certain it's actually Dual Screen but yeah that's what the DS stands for.
It actually stood for "Developer's System" (or something along those lines). The DS suffix wasn't actually meant to be part of the name, as it was supposed to be a working title (it was apparently supposed to be called the "Nintendo Nitro" when it released).
However, many gaming news outlets mistook the "DS" suffix for the actual name for the system, so Nintendo just shrugged and said "sure, let's go with that". The name just sorta stuck ever since.
Never knew this either. Damn :O
A good Sonic RPG is absolutely possible. Just look at how many good Mario RPGs there are. They just need the right developers and the right ideas but Sega rarely does.
Ok I got a little too excited when Johnny showed up
I was too!
Same here. Was one of the first youtubers i ever followed and im glad he's getting more recognized
I used to write for a game website. Part of my role was to come up with lore and plotlines. I had invented or perfected several characters left and right. Maybe about a fifth of that website was stuff that I had produced by the end of its run. And yet I understand that I didn't own any of it and it belongs to the website because that's literally the first thing you're told when you get hired to work with someone else's intellectual property. I had to sign an agreement stating that I understood this and everything.
In fact we had a staff member fired for acting like Ken Penders where she claimed an entire species was her property despite the fact that she had actually "created" the species from old, unused concept art a past artist had drawn. She and her friend threw a public tantrum when we had another artist redraw it because the shading in the colors were flat and there were so many anatomy issues due to her refusing to listen to input during the creation process and tried to claim we weren't allowed to touch it because it was "hers" and we had to let her go after that.
What was the game?
@@sebastienholmes548 It doesn't exist anymore, but think something along the lines of Neopets but not as mainstream.
Oh god this one. The one game that literally killed an entire Sonic Comic Universe and rebooted twice, for better or for worse.
And despite the fact that Ken Penders has left the Sonic universe and it’s properties he’s still stubborn enough that he wants to continue his vision, either through many of his tweets on Twitter saying that he would want to write for Sonic again (despite many of his storylines involving Knuckles and his OCs do not steal having markedly different tones than a Sonic comic, including any of the Sonic centric ones) or even just whole hedgehog writing and drawing his own version of the Echidna race storyline under “The Lara Su Chronicles” which is all sorts of uncanny valley art and awful decisions.
@Games Lara Su stories are owned by Ken Penders. But in those stories, Lara Su interacted with Sonic. So for continuity purposes, Ken Penders believes he needs to use Sonic.
@@littletiffany9089 Wow, the audacity.
So, funny story, but when you got to the part about Penders, my husband stopped playing his game long enough to pop a middle finger at his picture....and keep it up for a few ... minutes. Reading some of the comments, and part of the reddit thread dedicated to him, has been rather hilarious and insightful. I didn't know these things, comics aren't my thing, and I didn't play a whole lot of video games growing up.
My husband then hands me the Archie Sonic comic #91 and says, "See if you can pick out anything in there that looks like you would be worried." After flipping through, I see the "Millennium Falcon" copy that was put in there. And whose name happens to be on the front? Why, it's Ken Penders! You have to be some kind of egotistical douche-lord to sit there and say "Don't steal!" but turn around and do it yourself, and then whine like a little baby when you don't get your way. Apparently there's also a jet in another comic that looks suspiciously like the X-Men jet.
Love the channel, keep it coming!
Well, to play devil's advocate. The Xmen jet is based on a real aircraft.
Honestly wasn't expecting Johnny's part in this. Always love when he shows up around the bend.
I still feel that a Sonic RPG can work. Yes the game would take away that "gotta go fast' the franchise is for (less they go ARPG or something) but the series also has a large diverse cast of characters with special abilities and fighting styles that simply don't get to do anything any more as it doesn't cater to what they want to do for a typical Sonic game any more.
I mean, Mario is a platformer as well and it made several successful RPGs, why can't Sonic?
As someone who has been a huge fan of sonic since I was like 8 years old yet somehow (ironically) have never been able to bring myself to enjoy the fast paced platform style of the main franchise, I would goddamn LOVE a sonic RPG done right. I got so attached to these dumb furries because of its cast and humor and world and I would love to see that style of game go right for it.
Have you ever seen Sonic rpg 5+ or final fantasy sonic x6 n up? Those are the first sonic rpgs I think of which I honestly enjoyed more as a kid than dark chronicles. Even with them being made by a single or a couple of ppl n being extremely short. But concept is there
Once you two mentioned "The Thing" I was like "what thing? I honestly don't remem- Oh, THAT thing."
Some of us would really like to forget about Ken "Jon St. Jon got in first" Penders, also known as Ken "Fucking" Penders.
Cybershell reference?
Geoffrey St. John, actually. You’re thinking of the guy who used to voice Big, Omega, and Duke Nukem
Oh Sonic. Always a reliable, recurring participant of this series.
He's just happy to be remembered, he is
I mean this is probably it for Sonic
@Dash the Destroyer Debatable.
@@AaronSoul725 It does feel like he's covered the really significant tire fires, but I've heard some theories about Sonic Forces's development that could make for a video easily.
@@Agent789_0 What other Sonic games are there to discuss? Maybe Forces(for obvious reasons) and SA1?(super rushed, especially the JP initial release. Probably some dev hell)
ken penders is like the perfect fusion of chris-chan and that guy who does the really badly drawn "how to draw anime" books
There's still a lot potential of a Sonic RPG game for the consoles so i am hopeful of that at some point.
I mean if Mario can do it right, then Sonic can... after several attempts.
Ken Penders, the true last boss of Sonic
and Sonic didn't win this
People tend to make this mistake, but it’s important to note that Chronicles isn’t THE Archie Sonic killer. It was more like the excuse Penders wanted. Like how most countries were ready to go to war in 1914 but the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand gave them an excuse
Yes I just blatantly and not subtly implemented a World War comparison here, in true Penders fashion
I'm very glad they brought up Penders and that entire shitshow. Weird how the behind the scenes stuff with Sonic is more interesting than almost all of the games between 2004 and 2017, save for Colors and Generations.
Despite this game’s abysmal performance, I still think a Sonic RPG would be great. Just let Atlus handle it and rake in the cash.
It amazes me that Mario, a franchise that almost prides itself on not having a story, has several successful RPG's but Sonic, a franchise that tried desperately to have a story that people care about for years, has only one that kinda sucked.
I get RPG and story go hand and hand but no Mario does have lore hence a story and like sonic isn't all Canon
The cartoon, the 90s and 20s movies, the games themselves all consistute story
And just like sonics first rpgs story that's stuck in ip limbo so is the same way smrpg story being a joint effort doesn't allow for nintendo to use mallow or geno.
The difference is SMRPG was better in its game play, as well as kind of a new idea, not that rpg was new, but being a mainstream rpg exposed the genre to a bigger audience
Penders' contributions to the Archie Sonic canon are somewhat overblown, by him and by people miscrediting everything prior to Ian Flynn's takeover in 2006 as his work.
Truth is that for almost three years, Penders was off in his own personal playground, the Knuckles comic. That comic is catastrophically bad. Bad art, bad stories, bad everything. It wasn't until that book was cancelled that he rejoined the Sonic book and gained a significant amount of creative control over it.
During that time, and for a while afterwards, the Sonic book had been largely under the control of Karl Bollers. Bollers gets a bad rap, mainly because he wrote the infamous issue 134, but for the most part the rest of his stories are pretty great. Issue 125 and the Return to Angel Island arc are both highlights.
Part of the problem with unpicking pre-Ian Archie drama is that _Archie Sonic didn't have a head writer until 2006._ They had a lot of regular writers who would do stories, and then Archie would buy the stories off of them to publish in the pages of the comic. It's long been suspected that one of these writers, "Romy Chacon" was actually pseudonym that the editor, Justin Gabrie was using to give himself more money. And it also caused a lot of continuity headaches, and most of those were Penders' fault.
See, being an enormous egomaniac, Penders just generally didn't read anybody else's work and refused to use their characters or reference their stories whenever he could possibly avoid doing so. This meant that if your story was bought by Archie, but Penders wrote something that contradicted it, he would just retcon your work and nobody seemed to be able to stop him.
This was ultimately compounded when Ian Flynn took over. Ian is a continuity king, and loves him a good callback. This is probably why he spent most of the Archie reboot hastily but elaborately adapting Unleashed in order to give himself a whole world to work with again. Unfortunately, because Penders was the previous writer, he ended enshrining a lot of Penders' retcons rather than the better stories and characterisation he was paving over.
What really killed the previous universe wasn't that Penders wrote most of the comics. It's that he did the most worldbuilding. Suddenly, when he owned not just characters and stories but also all the backstory, lore, locations and universe, he had a massive amount of control. Which is of course, what he wanted.
It's easy to look at this rotten saga and see Penders as a bitter sad-sack who rightfully got the boot and so tore down everything he'd helped create as an act of spiteful revenge, but that wasn't the case. What he wanted, was to become the main writer of Archie Sonic again. He posted online multiple times that his ultimate goal was to become the head writer, and, being Penders, immediately retcon everything that his successors had done and reset the universe to the way it was at the time of his exit, and he thought that by gaining creative control over all of his own contributions, he'd have enough power to demand they do things his way. He didn't comprehend that Archie would just drop everything he did, and everything everyone else did as well, just in case they also decided to file copyrights and lawsuits.
Penders wasn't some cartoon villain going to the ends of the earth to see the Sonic comics fail. Much like Ian Flynn, whose dedication to the Sonic comics and refusal to accept the demise of Archie Sonic in 2016 led to their quasi-rebirth in the IDW comics that launched a year later, Penders was incredibly passionate about Sonic. It's just that his version of Sonic was warped by bad writing, bad art, lack of originality, lack of self-awareness, extremely confusing politics, ego, and above all else, daddy issues.
He is Chris-Chan but with a modicum of success.
Extremely valid contribution.
@@russellarcher5181 He's certainly a success story, though I think part of that stems from being in the right place at the right time.
When your main points of comparison are Ken Penders and Pontac & Graff, well, it doesn't take a lot to do better than them, does it?
Damn you could write a book on the history of Archie Sonc
Your comment perfectly describes Penders. This man managed to screw over the SatAM (sabotaging Ben Hurst's movie pitch), Archie, and Chronicles fans because he wanted to be the one in control.
@@marmato9332 Look up a video about Penders, or people reviewing his writing/stories. Its hilarious with what he was trying to do.
For example, Knuckles is the only echidnas with a one word name, the rest are name Julie-Su and all sorts of names with dashes in the middle. Why? Because Penders loved Superman lore and used echidnas to write silver age Superman stories and literally turns Knuckles into Superman by making Knuckles' "scientist" dad experiment on his own sons egg (before he even hatched) without telling anyone, his own son included. He also doesn't tell anyone why he did it or why he abandoned Knuckles by pretending to die and before you ask, no his dad is not evil he just decided to do this after seeing a vision of his city destroyed. This and more exist all in Penders head.
Also yes, Penders was writing out of touch Superman/Political stories for children who just wanted to read Sonic.
Whait what does he mean by the thing?
*Some minutes pass*
OH THE THING
Sonic Chronicles? That's a name I haven't heard in a long time
I genuinely enjoyed Sonic Chronicles on first release. I appreciated that there was more to a Sonic game than "gotta go fast" and as someone who grew up with the comics (I wasn't aware of the Penders lawsuit at the time) I liked a story that referenced that world.
Man, as bad as this game was, I still really want to see Sega attempt another sonic RPG, it has so much potential, maybe give it to the yakuza guys since they made hands down one of the best Turn based RPGs in recent memory with like a dragon
Even Ryu Ga Gotoku Studios seem interested in working on Sonic. Maybe someday?
Keep in mind, that Sega owns RPG giant Atlus. They could do well, I'm sure.
@@hazkara7053 yeah, I just don't know if atlus would be up for a project like that since they are working on the new shin megami game, while the yakuza studio has gone on record saying that they want to make a sonic game, and they proved thier RPG chops with yakuza 7, so what better project than a sonic RPG
This game was a guilty pleasure for me. I used to play it all the time on my DS Lite when I was kid
Same
So happy Johnny’s finally in the show. Loving his videos, appropriately, since the Sonic Boom VS video
1:28 wait...DS actually stood for something? Does that mean there’s a fancy acronym explanation for the Wii?
Nah. It's just Wii.
Omg that explains so much why Sega started super ghosting... like any of the characters and Ideas from the Adventure timeline that weren't just the biggest ones.. I need to look more into the Ken Penders mess now.
"sonic chronicles is a good game"
"Wow, I really said that, didn't I?" -Johnny, 2017
me as a kid agrees
Said no one.
@@patrickrobinsob1464 Said Johnny circa 2009. We all make mistakes it seems haha
It's certainly not good, but it's still interesting. The characters are enjoyable if you can tolerate the jank. XD
Ah, the marvelous misadventures of Ken Penders come to light again.
I had this game and couldn't figure out the code door segment.
I left it in my parents car when they sold it. I felt nothing.
God the puzzles were like the worst thing, every time I got to that part I restarted my save. I eventually figured it out by guesswork. How in the actual fuck did they expect literal children to figure that shit out
I didnt think they where that hard when i was a kid, but i did had some struggle with some. They where like small IQ tests
Every time I hear Ken Pender’s name memories I keep trying to lock away come back. It wouldn’t be so bad but the comics, when they were good, had some of the best story in anything Sonic related. There will always be a small part of my brain that thinks of what could have been.
I always bring this game up whenever my friends say Bioware has always had good writing
To be fair, the games writing was excellent. Just that it was put on the worst possible device since it limited how big of a game it can play.
@Tom Ffrench ahhhhh it starts like that but then quickly goes off the rails insane.
to be fair this was a completely deferent team that was created for a single game. so it was more an andromeda situation.
the bioware people liked was edmonton.
This is an epic crossover episode: EA, Bioware, Sega, Lucasart. You only left Activision out of the equation.
The concept of a Sonic Rpg done by Bio Ware sounded super excellent , some im pretty curious on Wha the hell Happun with this particular title.
Well, it could work, look at Mario: he has...sorry HAD, a successful blend of platform and RPG.
But bro, it's almost funny how Sonic game often suffers from rushed development, I get in Sonic everything must go fast but still...
Didn't know about the Archie debacle thought, seems pretty hardcore to jettison most of the character...
Penders is famous on Sonic Fandom , he is such an asshole , sanctimonious , self-absorbed , hypocrate individual , that Archie and even other comic book companies do not work with him anymore.
He sues individuals left and right , for the most basic stuffs , he is not even that talented and nowadays he lives off with patreon to make his self-plagiarized comic of Archie Echidnas , just to leech of with his controversy.
@@phantasosxgames8488 You would think it would be Infamous?
Don't put the finger on the wound, they had enough during the past decade. That's coming from a new fan of the Mario RPG games who just now understand what happened with those games.
Yeah, it would be more fitting if it played like the Tales or Mana series and maybe someone will make a fan game like that someday.
for me it's safe to just ignore every mario rpg after 2009 and just say they ended with bowser's inside story. atlest that way you have 7 games to enjoy [ smrpg, paper mario trilogy, mario and luigi trilogy.]
Sonic: (Looks at Mario RPG) Yeah that’s one fine looking RPG. (Looks at Sonic Chronicles) WHY DOESN’T MINE LOOK LIKE THAT!!??
Jade Empire is one of my childhood games... it's really sad how much it was forgotten.
Got myself a physical copy for xbox 1 x.
the other funny bit about archie going "fuck it" and snapping the penders OCs and shit from existence; they did it at the end of the first mega man and sonic crossover! mega man goes back to his own timeline unchanged while eggman does some desperation fuckery with the emeralds and reboots everything
its genuinely a good little bit of crossover comicing too tbh, dr. eggman and wily is maybe the best evil bromance ever
Ahh, so that's what happened to that. I played that game, and the most notable thing about it was indeed the characterizations. I liked that part of it at least, so I don't remember it as being especially bad, but it was definitely unfinished.
Big the Cat has the same voice actor as Duke Nukem, and I've been grappling with this knowledge for many years.
Sonic has the same voice actor as Captain America, Knuckles shares one with Satan in Saints Row, Silver is Kirito, Rouge is Nanako from Persona 4, Blaze is Abby from TLOU2, Omega is Broly and Black Doom is Goku
If I remember correctly, he isn't anymore and intentionally forgot the voice.
I remember hearing from somewhere that his then voice actor, John St. John, hates the character.
@@SuperDanMan11100 I think it was less the character, but more the voice of Big
Oh boy I can't wait to hear Matt and Johnny talk about Ken Penders!!!
Story and character wise, pending aside: I think the game excelled in that area. Spinoffs ala the first two Riders, the all Stars Racing and Team Sonic Racing, and games where you can play as more than 3 Sonic characters is pretty cool. If the gameplay was better and things weren't rushed it would've worked out. Shame Shade can't be in any future games though, I thought her character and design was pretty dope.
Also, kinda weird that this game came out in 2008 and yet Blaze and Silver weren't included in the cast, but hey, Team Sonic, Rose, Dark, Eggman and Shade are a good ensemble. Damn we need the full Chaotix to be playable in more games in the future.
Glad the characterizations are mentioned, especially considering how some characters *cough* Shadow and Tails *cough* got the worst of it nowadays. Another thin it did well was tying it's lore/story with various other Sonic games. The Nocturnus Clan being the one who made Emerl from Sonic Battle and there being more robots like him and Emerl being the reason they disappeared, all of the background stuff in game you can read summarizing stuff like the events of SA2 and what not. Nowadays SEGA barely acknowledges the past, they don't even like it when people remembered G.U.N. existed so this game doing it definitely kind of makes you feel more sorry things went the way they did. At least it managed to get a part in the Encylcospeedia including mentioning Shade.
I find it weird how it seems like everyone hates this game nowadays. I still love it, its fun and unique in good ways to me imo.
I will never forgive them for what they did to the Sonic 3 final boss theme.
Not gonna lie, I loved this game. Still do. This Game was a big part of my Childhood and with the power of nostalgia I can still look over the flaws and relax on a Friday Evening to play some Sonic Chronicles
nostalgia =/= good
Can't wait for the Sonic 4 episode where you bring on Cybershell
I LOVE the graphical humour you show. "Then what happened" when saying what happened, "Off the bat" while showing Rouge, etc. Also, is amazing how in the last 2 years I jump from disliking Sonic in general to... just feel sorry for the franchise due to where they come from.
PS: RIP Equidnas.
I just finished Sonic Forces and this came out. Sonic is taking over my life.
YEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!! This is the one I'd been waiting for!!! And with Johnny, too!!! That's a bonus~
Spiderman Turn off the Dark would be a perfect non gaming topic for Matt
Man, I REALLY wanna see a "Wuh Happen? - Cyberpunk 2077".
Oh sweet, new Wha Happun, let's see what-
*Looks at thumbnail*
Well, Happy Birthday to *me*!
i played KOTOR for the first time recently, and I had this really odd sense of nostalgia for a lot of things in it because i played sonic chronicles a bunch as a kid. Chronicles was what made Omega my favourite sonic character, so to see what he was based on in KOTOR was just really cool to me, him and HK-47 even share the "meatbag" thing.
If you happen to see this I just want you to know I appreciate the format, quality, and entertainment of these videos. I just stumbled upon this playlist and I have been consuming all of this at work. Highly enjoyable.
I played through this game more than a dozen times as a kid, and now watching the combat footage, I can still feel my stylus struggling to drag across the scratched screen on my DS lol
“Jeez, this game just seems like a boring mess. How could it get any worse?”
*Ken Penders has entered the chat*
Edit: Wow, nearly 200 likes! Thanks guys!
Cue Knuckles OH NO
I loved it when I was a kid, haven’t played it in a few years though.
@@LuigianoMariano Sweet!
Have you been to Thankskenpenders.tumblr.com?
No... I probably should, should I?
coming back here after k3n p3nd3rS got ratio'ed bc of knuckles' dad in sonic 2 🥴
I feel like for an April Fool's joke there should be a Wha Happun on the Esperanto language.
Loved this game. I remember being on road trips with my dad and sister and playing this game in the hotel rooms
Ken Penders, a greater enemy to Sonic than SEGA... That’s how bad Ken is XD
Man I'm glad I played this with the eyes of a child so I can just look back on it with mislead nostalgia instead of ever touching it again.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
After all these years, I still break out in a cold sweat when I hear this game's soundtrack.
Just a friendly reminder: arguably the best Sonic game of the past 20 years was FAN MADE.
Sonic Riders gang rise up
Sonic Generations wasn't fan-made
Generations, Colors and All-star racing be like what about us🤔
*sonic unleashed wants to know your location*
@@TheRedScizor The original one was actualy good,,,the second one though, where they also pushed kinect on top of it,,,ohh boy
Perfect timing ; I needed this episode.
I can’t wait to listen to this later when I’m at work.
I read the title as" sonic Chronicles: the brotherhood of steel" first
You deserve an extra like for coming up with "Sonic Chronic"
Great video bro. It's good to finally know why the comic series was cancelled. Especially since it happened just a few months after I finally started reading them.
Thanks for another awesome video! I actually really enjoyed this game.
This game’s existence is the reason we can’t have characters like Scourge, Mina Mongoose, or Dr. Finitevus appear anywhere in the franchise.
No Ken Penders being a Greedy fuck is why you can't see those characters
@@vipset87 Anyway
and it sucks because Scourge and Finitevus are barley recognizable from they originally appeared :/
I'll do you one better. This is why the characters and world building from both the comics and TV series have been ignored by Sega, leaving Sonic's gaming continuity without much substance.
Great now I'm ticked...I loved Mina Mongoose she was such a simple but fun character but now knowing I won't get to see her again officially is kind've a downer.
That's like the person that created the nathen drake model suing Naughty Dog by saying that the character belonged to them
I always remember getting stuck on this game in the exact same spot. And then restarting and so on
I've been hoping for this collab for a long time no this is so awesome.
Nice to hear Mr. Ortiz get some recognition.
Ok, we gonna talk about how Dr Zachery nominated the game with the white echidna villian?
I remember being very excited for this game. Mario RPG was amazing, Sonic's RPG is going to be great too, right? Oh boy was I wrong...
Can't say I've cared much about Sonic games for years, but Penders causing any hope of the old school SatAM cartoon/Archie series cast showing up in game form to die is one of those things that just makes an ancient Millenial like me feel the (hedgehog) blues. Rally for Sally, folks...Rally for Sally, indeed.
I was wondering if we'd ever get an episode on this game what with all the baggage it has. So much potential and it was squandered because of poor timing, development, and Penders.
Man I played this game so much as a kid, I'll need to give it a replay soon.
I consider this game a cult classic. It has so many systemic issues and broken mechanics that it almost gives it a certain charm because no other turn based RPG is really like it. The bad story, the primitive combat system, the OP characters and consumables all give it a unique experience not found anywhere else
*Ken Penders appears*
(SEGA and Archie Comics): "UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH. This asshole again..."