Man, old Sindel is a much more interesting character than the reboot. Sure, old Sindel had her boring generic Evil Queen phase, but it was pretty explicitly mind control and only lasted for one game, before being a Monarch attempting to fix her selfish mistakes. But no, new Sindil is stuck on Evil Queen mode, and her last action before forced into evil queeness is now super good, instead of giving up on a hard situation, and coming to regret it later.
I really like the bit about Tanya, it shows that not all the edenians are happy with sindel as their queen after how selfish she was, and maybe Tanya trie s reaching out to Kitana, and tries convincing her that she should be queen,
I hate to be an ass, but I think Ed leaving (though obviously he doesn’t need to die, that would just be tragic) would probably allow the series to truly move forward. I’d say Vogel should probably leave to honestly. Their hatred for some of their own characters (especially Liu Kang and Hsu Hao) should honestly be removed from the franchise so classic characters can get their due respect and underutilized ones can get the spotlight they need.
@@ruineddays426 Maybe even more. Some of us live to be over 100, others don't even make it to 60. Who knows how long Ed has? In any case, I agree with Carlos. He doesn't have to die, simply leaving the series like John Tobias before him would suffice.
A few thoughts on the Sindel Massacre scene: -Some characters can take multiple hits...some die from obviously lethal strikes like palming their nose into their brain, stabbing them in the neck, etc...but Cyber-Sub, whose entire body is covered in armor, whose bones are metal, and who we JUST established last chapter can beat Goro, Kintaro, and Ermac at the same fucking time... He somehow dies from a single uppercut. They must have legitimately expected us to believe the Lin Kuei put an offswitch on his chin. -And nobody uses their powers/projectiles, they all just run in to punch her. -And Nightwolf is apparently immune to her scream but he's the only one? -So lemme ask this: If the only reason to switch Smoke and Sub-Zero's fates was to do something different with them and give Human Smoke a chance to be a character for a while...why would you kill BOTH of them? -Why would you go through the effort of making Stryker, who used to be the worst character in MK3, into a badass... if you're not going to let him live past this? -Y'know, I really liked the Outer World Investigation Agency. And the Agency can't really exist without Jax, because he's the brains of the operation, Sonya doesn't really do anything important there, she doesn't have the technical knowhow to build portals with science or reprogram Cyrax or anything like that... so I guess what I'm saying is, Jax being dead right then made the future stories worse. -Minor gripe: And hey, how come when EVERYONE ELSE in Mortal Kombat steals a soul, it's green... but when Sindel - who only knows how to do it because she was given Shang Tsung's powers - does it, it's purple? -Oh, and y''know how whenever Shang dies in other games, we always see a big swarm of all the souls he's ever stolen get set free and fly off into the sky? And setting those souls free is Kenshi's whole character motivation? Well Sindel had those souls in her, but we don't see them fly free when she dies. So where are they now?
I really loved in Deception Sindel and Jade work together to free Kitana of Onaga's control and Sindel was seen crying and hugging Kitana and Jade smiling I think that was to indicate The 4th Snake of the roles being reverse and Sindel knew what it was to be mind controlled and have her daughter save her that was a happy ending.
A bit more to Sindel's lore, Shao Kahn was planning on killing Kitana and he only wanted Sindel as a bride, but Sindel tells Shao Kahn she won't be his bride if he kills Kitana
4th Snake: "Assuming she doesn't end up forgotten like Jade in MKX" Me from the future: "Oh, they did do that and then did something much worse that you'd make at least 13 videos about it"
I love Sindel, she is my favorite. Her absence is the reason why I didn't play MKX. I really don't like what they have done to her, she was abruptly underwhelming in MK9 as well.
Sindel's character in mk 11 is so damn baffling when you look at her arc from mk 3 to armageddon. She starts out as a McGuffin for khan only to develop into the compassionate caring mother that won't hesitate to protect her family by any means. What was so wrong with this that it needed to be overhauled into something that's the polar opposite? This is something I find the most egregious of the neather realm era. A severe lack of compassion and respect towards allies and loved ones that isn't the Briggs or Cage family or Sub -Zero and Scorpion.
My ideas for Jade are limited to what I've discussed here with Sindel. If they don't include her in MK11, I'll probably come up with a way for her to play a key role there after somehow escaping Quan Chi's hold offscreen. If they include her and fuck it up, I'll work with that to fix her.
I am not a fan of Sindel but I can see how relevant she is to the other characters. I wonder what is preventing NetherRealms from taking objective criticism and story beats outside of just the money.
It's also possible they're trying to move away from the established franchise to start somewhat fresh, thus leaving little room (in their eyes) to expand on anything meaningful.
Perhaps, but if you notice most fighting game franchises that do that have, in my opinion, a hard time resonating more vibrantly than their predecessors. I come back to Tekken 5 for this reason: They continued the story, but to me, it felt like the characters' participation in the tournament is for plot convenience (who knew that Paul entered T4 to fight against Kazuya, gee, it's not like he wanted to prove he won Tekken 3 or anything as was his prologue in T4). That's why, lorewise, Tekken 5 and MK9 have a hard time resonating for each of us respectively. Back to the MKverse, Wated potential can talk about the fact that the mk team shoved in new characters that weren't needed. Bo rai cho as the comic relief/ wise mentor mix doesn't work, while Hsu Hao has been thrown into the afterthoughts of the MK design team (can someone tell me why he's so hated, is it because he's a discount Kano or something?). Another example of wasted potential that could be done is Shujinko, I think a character that was brought on as the "next gen Liu Kang" as Boon said, received an absolute cold shoulder in Cassie's MKX ending.
And when we finally got Sindel not being under mind control NRS gonna retcon her story and say she was always evil which makes no sense even the revenants are all good Sindel is one of them who actually good.
I think it'd be great to see a movie about Shao Khans takeover of Edenia. Wedding Sindel, adopting Kitana, creating Mileena... wouldn't be a happy ending, but would still be fucking awesome. With cameos from Jade, Tanya and Rain 😍
Sindel deserves the award of 'Most Okay Mom in the Universe'. She has flaws, she's made selfish mistakes, but wants to be better. I'm okay with that. Although let's be honest here most Mortal Kombat characters deserve so much better. Even the ones we hate. Definitely looking forward to more Wasted Plotential videos, they are like the video game equivalent to the rewrite videos Nando v Movies does for movies. (That's supposed to be a compliment btw).
Sindel was called all different types of name by the characters in her intro dialogues she's been called a bitch, a witch, a racist, a liar etc in this timeline she's been retcon to be always evil in the original she's always been good and she's a sex addict this is such a completely new Sindel then the one we know of.
Mileena and Sindel's Wasted Plotential episodes are indeed my favorites, considering I believe they expand and provide in-depth character studies and rework already established storylines and narratives to be more in line with their given personality, for this case, this storyline works well with what is known and established about Queen Sindel. It doesn't make for "evil" for the sake of looking evil, MK11 clown shoes
I'm surprised the outcry about Netherrealm retconning and screwing up their own characters started when Sindel was released, yet nobody bat an eye about Kabal being a member of the Black Dragon again.
Kabal's currently a revenant, isn't he? Or at least Present-Kabal. Then again, they're pretty much doing a hard reboot with all the time-travel and alternate timeline stuff in MK11, so...
This is beautiful. I mean at this point, it doesn't look like she's in MK11. DLC, hopefully ? It just doesn't make sense how she can have such a critical role in the story, be a NPC that you fight in the story for MKX, and now who knows what for 11. Just doesn't make sense why she wouldn't be on the roster. Her demand has never been this high, either. Put her in the game NRS
Aftermath story ruined sindel for good they made it seem like she was back to normal & a loving mother and I was actually was enjoying it just to find out that she was being used like a bitch like she always is. Sindel even reveals she was always evil to begin with she literally a bitch now. Rip my favorite female character.
Sindel was a cool character but she should’ve been featured in MK4 as well since she was featured in the story. Sindel having to defend her realm against the forces of darkness with Sindel fighting against Shinnok/Quan Chi. Sindel joining the battle in Deception makes the most sense with Sindel having to now save her daughter from Onaga.
With the presence of Jade being revealed in MK11, Sindel must get revealed too. Sindel does vow to become a better mother and queen of Edenia. Jade would purposely free Sindel with the help of Kronika (Jade is another servant of Kronika maybe) so they can team up. Sindel speaks out to Kitana and is able to free her from being a revenant and takes a human Kitana to fight revenant Kitana in the present. The same for Liu Kang, Kung Lao etc.
I really like the Kitana related vranch of characters. Sindel is great, Kitana is, Jade is and then this is connecting us to Shao Khan and Shang Tsung who are both pretty good.
Shame how MK4 takes mostly place in Edenia, but Sindel doesn't even appear in the game while Jarek fucking exists. If I would have given her an ending in MK4, she'd probably crown Kitana as Queen, because I've always wanted to see them be friendly to each other in a cutscene, for once.
Awesome video! I want to see Sindel be freed from her revenant state in MK11 and have to face Kitana in order to save her. She could face a huge amount of guilt for the events of MK9 and attempt to redeem herself by stopping Kitana. I like the idea of Sindel interacting with Mileena who I guess would be a surrogate daughter to her. It could create some interesting dynamics!
@@PeakCuriosity. I had a crush on all of the females in MK Trilogy, except Sheeva, I was terrified of her. I was like 3 or 4 years old though. Now she's one of my favorites.
Wow, what an interesting old video! I sure hope the next MK doesn’t butcher Sindel so much farther beyond recognition than the past two that another half dozen videos like this one have to be made! That would be ridiculous!
Personal thoery: Armageddon (2006) and the Armageddon intro from MK9 are set in different timelines. Kronika meses with each timeline so things happen differently in each of them. It would make sense she would mess with SIndel's past to get a different result. Basing this on the fact we see Raiden and Liu Kang fighitng in Armageddon a few times during Raidens flashback
Honestly, I think pretty much every woman in this series, with the exception of Sonya, was handled poorly and is too simplified. And I'm not saying Sonya isn't over-simplified. I just don't see much potential in her as a character. I'm also not counting the new kids or D'Vorah. Again, lame characters in general and I don't see them having much potential. However, most of them have potential to be interesting or could at least have some development past their basic roles. For example: Tanya could be a traitor still, but have a good reason for it. I really see no reason for her treacherous nature. In MK X, her wanting Edenia back is sensible enough, but before that she didn't seem to hold much true loyalty to Edenia. I think perhaps she could have been improved by making some sort of internal class struggle or holding a grudge against the royal family. Maybe she was a poorly-treated servant. Maybe there's some history where she was meant to be the princess/queen but her family was somehow ousted by Jerrod and his line. Mileena knowing Kitana and possibly even Jade and Sindel is far better than the reboot version where she doesn't really know anyone and has no attachment. However, I suppose you could go with the idea that she thought Kitana should be her sister and is upset with the fact that Kitana is repulsed by her. There also could be some internal conflict between loyalty to Kahn due to that being bred into her, and the knowledge that Kahn finds her just as disposable as any other of his subjects. Jade is done well enough, but her outright disappearing made no real sense. Perhaps she could have returned and somehow brought revanants Kitana and Sindel back to life. I have tons of ideas for stories, but I'll leave it there lest I turn this into my own video (which might actually be really fun, to be honest). I still think those ideas would have been better than the actual stories we got with these characters and most others. I know fighting games aren't meant to be known for their story, but MK's lore always stuck out to me as one of the most interesting. While it's more the mechanics and looks that are important to fighters, a great story with great characters makes it outstanding. I would love for the writing to get better in MK 11 but I'm not holding my breath.
MK absolutely has the best lore and setting of any fighter. They've squandered that since the reboot. You could do so much with these characters and yet, they just don't. They keep them at a baseline level with only a few select characters getting any kinda of development. You should absolutely consider a video or write-up with your ideas. I'd definitely watch/read it.
@@The4thSnake Yeah. I feel like they squandered a ton of the lore and character development all for the ideas that a) They need to appeal to a new audience and b) people who play fighters don't care about story and won't be able to/won't want to follow anything too complicated. The first I can understand, but feel it was executed poorly, and the second I personally find insulting. Not all fans of fighting games (or games in general) are morons who don't/can't follow and appreciate a deep, meaningful story in addition to the mechanics of the games. But yes, perhaps I will indeed make a video with these ideas. I do quite enjoy analyzing/writing stories and also delving into a fighter would be a deviation of my main schtick (I mostly stick with RPG's and action/adventure titles). Thanks for the positive feedback and good ideas for my own work. ^^
@@The4thSnake Yes I have. The comments remind me of a quote from Yahtzee about um... I think it was Gears of War 3... or some shooter. It was like "And don't say the story doesn't matter! If I'd said the story was amazing, you fucking fanboys would be shouting that shit from the rooftops until someone asked you to leave!" The same can be said here. If you say the story is great, no one dares to say "who cares about story?" or "why so much thought put into story?" etc. It's really dumb. But eh, gaming channel comment sections are probably some of the worst on the internet. I don't get as many idiots cause I'm still very small. I know what I'm getting myself into though. And yes, when I do an MK video, you'll definitely get a link to it. ^^
Interesting comment. For me though, what I have problem is that they have the chance to flesh out characters that rarely appear or only appear once. Aside from Kenshi they could have Li Mei, Sindel (this video already address that), Kai, Sareena, Fu Jin, Kira, Tanya, Cobra, Nitara, Ashrah, Hotaru, Rain, even Chameleon and Tremor as not only playable but play more important role in story. Some of them could take the spotlight to at least temporary replace the character that had been killed. Kai, Li mei, Sareena, and Sindel are a great character to use instead of creating four new character (Cassie, Jacqui, Kung Jin, Liu Kang) to take the main character's place. D'Vorah is interesting but her role could be replace by Tanya. Kotal Khan and Erron Black is the one that could stay I guess. I feel like it's a shame that all the character I mention didn't get the same spotlight while there are many chance to do it. They keep creating new character while left the old character that have a chance to shine to death.
Love how the story is set up here and the last two options for how things would go for Sindel in the current timeline could've worked into MK11 if the story does just go into Deadly Alliance/Deception
The4thSnake I'm sure Liu and Kitana will try to do find a way although if anything from the MKX comics gets lifted Daegon and Goro would be doing that as well or try to find anything on Onaga in general
My first MK game was MK Armageddon, so I didn't get much of the story of the first timeline. This is why I'd rather label myself as a newer fan, especially because I also thought Sindel would be on the bad side before I started watching this channel
This proves Nether Realm doesn’t believe the whole we want diversity. They took a strong female character who resisted a God like being and turned her into gold digging Vamp who chases every pretty man (She flirts with Jax, Johnny, Fuji etc.)
Love that instead of trying to fix the shit show they started with this with making you think she's going to possibly be as she was before, then they double down and make her triple evil to the point that it was laughable. Like "Suddenly female Stalin!" levels of evil upgrades.
It should be said that. In the original timeline Shao Kahn's invassion was more of a hunt for the champions who's souls Raiden was able to protect as almost the entire population of tlEarthwas instakilled by Kahn's soul magic the moment he set foot on Earthrealm.
I pray for the day Sindel is restored and joins Earthrealm. I want to see her take down evil and help her daughter and restore her place on the throne.
"They're top-tier milf waifus". I nearly broke my neck from that fucking whip-lash there, jesus. I was NOT expecting that. Especially being said so calmly, and professionally. ._.
Jade's Desert actually IS in Earthrealm. It always was. Remember how Cyrax getting stuck in the sand there ended up being canon. The thing is, they never explained why it was called "Jade's". In fact, it's not called Jade's anymore in MK9, probably because they realized that was a dumb name that made it sound like it's in the wrong realm.
RazorsEdge701 Cyrax being stuck in the sand is not proof that Jade's Desert is in Earthrealm. Why would an Edenian Warrior have a desert named after themselves in another realm?
I too think that "Jade's" desert was in fact in Earthrealm. MK9 story confirmed it since Sindel was ressurected in Earth. I don't know why it was called Jade's desert back in the old timeline since it had no relations to Jade herself. There was another weird named stage in MK Trilogy called "Sciclac Busorez". It's a direct reference to Classic Sub-Zero. In umk3 it was the stage where player would fight against him as he was one of a hidden opponents. Jade's desert however didn't get that kind of relation or any other for that matter. Cyrax‘s desert would be much more meaningful name.
Why do you consider the dumb unexplained name of the stage more canon than Cyrax being there? Cyrax getting lost in a desert and being rescued by Sonya and Jax is part of his bios in MK Gold and Deadly Alliance. It definitely happened in the story. And like I said, they don't even call it "Jade's" anymore in MK9. Its name is just "The Desert" now. Hell, Earthrealm and Outworld were half-merged during Ultimate MK3. Maybe the reason the desert belonged to Jade is because it was an Earthrealm desert combined with some Outworld territory that used to be part of Edenia, where Jade is from? Maybe the reason it was called Jade's is because, while Kahn was conquering Earth, he said "Serve me well and you can have this chunk of land as a reward" or something like that?
I didn't say that Cyrax being stuck in the desert isn't canon. You're asserting that "The Desert" is in Earthrealm because of Cyrax being stuck there. That proves nothing. Outworld could very well have deserts, it has a Living Forest afterall. I've always taken Cyrax being stuck has a running gag- he was constantly malfunctioning in the MK3/MKT/UMK3 string of games. You haven't provided significant proof that Jade's Desert is in Earthrealm. Now, I'll concede that maybe some part of Earth and Outworld merged to create the desert, that's a possibility.
Where to even begin with this mess... Honestly even her MK9 arc with sacrifice instead of suicide still had potential, but just like with cyborg Sub-Zero - they wasted it. Instead of her killing everyone one by one, she attacks along with LIn Kuei. Hell, they could even make it to be her chapter as she fights earthrealm warriors while others are busy with cyborgs. She fights Kabal, Jax, Smoke and Kitana, killing each of them. After that Nightwolf defeats her and performs a purifying ritual on her (if he can vaporize people with beam of light, i don't see why not). Once battle is over and Sindel gets her free will restored she realizes what she just done and would be devastated that after sacrificing herself to make earthrealm save, her daughter dies protecting earthrealm, even worse - from her hand. She falls on her knees next to Kitana, while cursing Shao Khan and Quan Chi for that. Stryker, Sonya, Sub-Zero and Liu Kang would want her dead for killing their friends, while Jade, Raiden, Johnny and Nightwolf would oppose the idea. Johnny says that there was enough death already (showing that he can serious for once), Jade and Nightwolf that killing her now will only help Khan succed, while Raiden has another vision and realize what "he must win" means (yes i would skip the part with him fighting revenants). He explains that they must let Khan win so the Elder Gods will -move their worthless asses- intervene. Liu Kang after hearing that calls Raiden insane and storms off to fight Shao Kahn himself. Everyone follow him and stand before Kahn, who sends Reptile, Baraka and other jobbers against them, while Sindel and Raiden speak with Khan. Liu Kang tries to attack so Raiden stops him and they fight. Khan merges realms and Elder Gods show up. Liu Kang defeats Raiden and jumps on Khan. Khan kills him, possibly by punching him trough his chest. Raiden has no power in now merged earthrealm so it's Sindel who gets possesed by Elder Gods. After Khan is defeated, Elder Gods kill him and trap his soul in some heaven sanctuary (because they are dumbasses and so he can possibly return in the future). After the credits Quan Chi would come where Khan died after a while with Scorpion and his five revenants to make Liu Kang one as well. Since Quan Chi prefered Noob over him and he has 5 revenants now, Scorpion starts feeling disposable and has doubts about his actions. Maybe he could contact Nightwolf, tell him about revenants and that he doesn't know wheter they can be helped or not. Upon hearing this, remaining earthrealm warriors strive to find the way to save their friends. They could also establish that Bi-Han turned into wraith because of his crimes and Hanzo into spectre, because of his lust for revenge (or something like that). That would set up much better sequel which could star characters that previously weren't fleshed out as much before like Jade, Sindel, Stryker and Nightwolf. That's my take on how they could make MK9's story slightly less insufferable while keeping their stupid ending and character based chapters. I didn't mention Sindel in MKX, because at this point there's not much to do without retconning previously retconned stuff.
I like your idea alot :-) I'd only flip Raiden and Sub Zero when it comes to the Kill Sindel/Don't kill her debate. I can see Raiden wanting blood because near the end of the OG timeline, he became Dark Raiden and was very harsh and unforgiving, so I would put him in Camp Kill Sindel. Subzero has long been characterized as being very wise, honorable, and even forgiving (see his history with Frost). Given those qualities, and his being cyberized in the reboot, he'd probably be able to understand being possessed better than most, and spare her life, even though he'd be intensely angry with her and wouldn't trust her.
In the original timeline Raiden and Sub-Zero were as you described, but i tried to make it consistent with this new timeline and showcase how better the story could be even without changing the ending and story structure. Raiden troughout the game tries to save as many people as he can, while Sub-Zero not only left Sonya alone with mortally wounded Jax, but also would kill Scorpion if Lin Kuei didn't capture him. Ironically he softened a bit once he became a cyborg. I made my take in 5 minutes while watching this video so there's room to improve it. Might as well be Sub-Zero being against, while Raiden trying to grasp the meaning of the vision, so he doesn't take a stance in this one and he once he realizes what must be done and explain this to the group everyone drops the topic of Sindel. With this change it actually feels better so i guess you just proved that these games had only one writer :D
I would be fine with female beating the main villain twice in a row. It's not an issue that Cassie is female (Takeda beating Shinnok would be just as contrived), but the fact she beats Shinnok, who should squash her into a pulp, is just ridiculous. The same goes for Johnny. If it was Raiden or Fujin? Fine. Scorpion, Sub-Zero or Kenshi? With proper setup it could work. Literally anyone else? Nuh-huh.
She and Takeda were also beaten by Ferra/Torr and by Ermac along with Jin and Jaqui. In the woods she could barely take down one soldier from Kotal's army. I'm not saying Takeda wouldn't be slightly better, but either of these 4 defeating Shinnok is just awful idea. Since they were introduced in MKX, all of them should play secondary role, then taking primary one in MK11. As it is now it's hard to feel sympathy or root for them, since Jin already beaten Raiden and Kotal, Cassie beaten Kitana, Sindel and Shinnok at his maximum power, Takeda beaten Ermac and Jaqui beaten Ermac and Kotal. This makes difficult to take Raiden, Kotal, Liu Kang or Kitana as a threat in MK11. Takeda, Jaqui or Jin beating Shinnok wouldn't make much of a difference in this case.
Great video! I admit - I was one of those new fans who thought Sindel was just...evil. Also, awesome to see you're gonna do an Ermac video! He does seem really wasted in MK11 and X.
Old MK head here- Sindel was never evil, just brainwashed and manipulated, which is tragic and in in some ways worse- she never had an agency until Kitana rescued her.
OR on a positive note! Jade could very well play a pivotal role in revenants resurrection. Sindel might be one of the very fortunate few restored and by doing so is her original self again. But she can't get through to Kitana. Reference to Sareena's words to Kitana in MKX, the will to break free from the revenant form must be strong. As a result, Sindel toward the end of the MK11 story sacrifices her self save Kitana. Seeing her mother die before her eyes allows Kitana to break free of the dark magic and resurrect herself
I can't imagine the Jade angle being at all satisfying. I bet they won't even explain where she was for twenty-seven years and just say whatever happened to her happened at some point.
MK3 was the best version by far. They really need to write the scene in where she realizes that she’s Edenian and her husband, King Jerod, was killed by Shao Kahn, and that she must reunite with her similarly mislead daughter. We also need the long-haired scream witch queen and the “normal” look back, rather than this current wannabe rockstar mom one?
Your comments about Mileena actually struck a chord. I always felt with Mileena they should've further explored an arc where she's not evil for evils sake, but rather she's like a younger sibling desperate for approval and wants what she feels she's earned. If they do bring back one of Mileena's clones for MKXI I think it would be interesting to see a role reversal with Kitana,now a co-ruler of the NetherRealm, and Mileena fighting on the side of Light to prevent a NetherRealm invasion, and possibly be the one that turns Kitana back to the forces of good. Sorry for the long ramble. As always, Great Content.
Oh, no, thank you for this. Make sure you watch Mileena's episode too since I went deeper into her character there. Mileena will also be brought up a little in the Ermac episode. As for a potential additional clone, it could be another Kitana clone, or a clone of Mileena. Either way, it could have any personality, really. A heroic Mileena, maybe one who sees Kitana as a sister and wants to save her, could be a possibility.
Fun fact, if you want Mileena not being evil for evil's sake check out the Kitana/Mileena Ending(s) for MK4 (they basically go over the same events with the only difference being which one wins the altercation. Needless to say Kitana's is the one that's canon). In MK4's endings, Mileena actually wants to rule Edenia *with* Kitana and (presumably) Sindel, not just to rule a realm but to be a family again and all that jazz. However, Kitana refuses as to her Mileena is just a reminder of how fucked of Shao Kahn is. It's after Kitana disavows her as a monster that Mileena goes full dark side. Spending the entirety of the Deadly Alliance (off screen) and Deception arcs doing anything she can to screw her "hateful" sister's life & legacy up as much as possible. Then sometime in between Deception and Armageddon her antics impressed Shao Kahn and he invites her back into his good graces (despite her failures in MK2 & MK3). Once again, #OldTimelineIsBestTimeline
Sindel always been so damn underrated I always enjoyed playing her female wise in MK Trilogy that was the first MK game I played but she was my main female cause I like she can use her hair as weapon and that scream thing she does her role in MK9 when she killed half of the forces of light made her get a lot of notice though but she's morely hated cause of that oh well that's apart of her resume now NetherRealm said she's the strongest female character in the franchise.
I love the idea of Sindel and Melina having a surrogate mother daughter relationship. Especially since that’s not something she’d actually have being Kitana’s clone.
3:44 This also had me question why Quan Chi had to fully restore Sindel in MK2011 when he resurrected her again as a revenant. This applies to the other heroes that Sindel killed off in Nightwolf's Chapter. Not much on the revenants or resurrection doesn't seem to make sense in the NetherRealm Era.
Do kitana wasted potential cause she over a thousand years old with years of assign training and experience but she still is easily defeated she could be a powerful queen who kills shao kon and other enemies if she was written write
Can't wait for Ermac. He was my favorite character in old timeline(and still is) but i was so dissapointed in his role of second-rate punching bag that he is now. I juts hope, that maybe his ending will be canon and in MK11, he will be saved by Kenshi or other positive character and become good again.
I want her back as a playable character. None of my friends liked it when I would fly and spit fireballs from afar and low fire balls. She was a wonderful character to play as and I hope I see her return in MK 11 as a playable character
Well since the MK9-MK11 stories been concluded in MK12 if Sindel is in or future games I would like to see Sindel being good her being brainwashed can be just what happened to her once she was ressurected I like to see her ruling her realm as queen and everyone bowing down to her and using her banshee scream and her hair whips in cutscenes and she gets her own chapter and being a caring and lovable queen and mother she once was before Shao Kahn invaded her realm.
As a new fan to MK, you were correct because I honestly had no idea about Sindels legacy and how she was actually truly good and was corrupted later with that god awful story writing, she’s truly been shit on by the MK team...I thought she was an evil bitch who just killed everyone until I saw this video....damn they really need to get their shit together and give Sindel the redemption that she deserves 🤦🏻♂️
Sindel could bring back her lance back from deception in MK11, she's back as a kombat pack 1 DLC fighter. She could have gear pieces of her boots, scream and hair.
NRS destroying their own characters and storylines that were once clever, subtly nuanced and inspired. It's like Bruce Timm (creator of Batman: The Animated series) who has now completely soured and shits on his own creations with stuff like the unbelievabley cringey "Batman & Harley Quinn" movie, and the gross (unfortunately canon) modern storylines that he created for the tie-in comic series to B: TAS.
Damn, the lore could've been great, borderline soap opera without wasting any violence whatsoever why did the new timeline's writers did what they did damn
I think it's because Sindel kills Onaga in her ending, while Liu Kang and Ermac don't. And they wanted Shujinko to redeem himself for allowing Onaga to return. If Sindel had only freed Kitana, it might have been canon.
Sindel is the most powerful female in the universe. Her role and movesets should always reflect that.
RideTheMaverickTV Best comment so far.
How is Sindel the most powerful? She just screams a lot.
@@selestielwolf7949 she was confirmed by netherealm as being the most powerful female in the game
@@iantez1 Well I meant in terms of the lore.
@@selestielwolf7949 that's what i meant
Excluding cetrion and kronika who are elder gods
She is the strongest female
Man, old Sindel is a much more interesting character than the reboot.
Sure, old Sindel had her boring generic Evil Queen phase, but it was pretty explicitly mind control and only lasted for one game, before being a Monarch attempting to fix her selfish mistakes.
But no, new Sindil is stuck on Evil Queen mode, and her last action before forced into evil queeness is now super good, instead of giving up on a hard situation, and coming to regret it later.
suddenllybah in the new timeline she seems like mileena but less horny
@@gamedudeyo662 Lmao this aged poorly. In MK11 Sindel is now the horniest character in the series
@uskan my friend and I tried naming our Sindel variations “milf” as a joke but it would not let us so I just named her fliM
oh wow, and now her death is Shang betraying her, and not a sacrifice.
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@@gamedudeyo662 she is mileena but a gold digger
Sindel ending in MK11 is something else they really made her a evil, dominatrix Gold Digger.
It's the mirror universe's version of Sindel's MK9 ending.
@@ryanm.8720 mk9 shows she’s a hero. The ward, ending, and the bio
@@Truly_Sithari yeah until netherrealm fuck up her entire character arc.
I really like the bit about Tanya, it shows that not all the edenians are happy with sindel as their queen after how selfish she was, and maybe Tanya trie s reaching out to Kitana, and tries convincing her that she should be queen,
We NEED Sindel's redemption to come to fruition before Ed Boon passes away if anything. A character with one of the most wasted potentials.
Agreed!!
I hate to be an ass, but I think Ed leaving (though obviously he doesn’t need to die, that would just be tragic) would probably allow the series to truly move forward. I’d say Vogel should probably leave to honestly. Their hatred for some of their own characters (especially Liu Kang and Hsu Hao) should honestly be removed from the franchise so classic characters can get their due respect and underutilized ones can get the spotlight they need.
@@ruineddays426 Maybe even more. Some of us live to be over 100, others don't even make it to 60. Who knows how long Ed has? In any case, I agree with Carlos. He doesn't have to die, simply leaving the series like John Tobias before him would suffice.
A few thoughts on the Sindel Massacre scene:
-Some characters can take multiple hits...some die from obviously lethal strikes like palming their nose into their brain, stabbing them in the neck, etc...but Cyber-Sub, whose entire body is covered in armor, whose bones are metal, and who we JUST established last chapter can beat Goro, Kintaro, and Ermac at the same fucking time... He somehow dies from a single uppercut. They must have legitimately expected us to believe the Lin Kuei put an offswitch on his chin.
-And nobody uses their powers/projectiles, they all just run in to punch her.
-And Nightwolf is apparently immune to her scream but he's the only one?
-So lemme ask this: If the only reason to switch Smoke and Sub-Zero's fates was to do something different with them and give Human Smoke a chance to be a character for a while...why would you kill BOTH of them?
-Why would you go through the effort of making Stryker, who used to be the worst character in MK3, into a badass... if you're not going to let him live past this?
-Y'know, I really liked the Outer World Investigation Agency. And the Agency can't really exist without Jax, because he's the brains of the operation, Sonya doesn't really do anything important there, she doesn't have the technical knowhow to build portals with science or reprogram Cyrax or anything like that... so I guess what I'm saying is, Jax being dead right then made the future stories worse.
-Minor gripe: And hey, how come when EVERYONE ELSE in Mortal Kombat steals a soul, it's green... but when Sindel - who only knows how to do it because she was given Shang Tsung's powers - does it, it's purple?
-Oh, and y''know how whenever Shang dies in other games, we always see a big swarm of all the souls he's ever stolen get set free and fly off into the sky? And setting those souls free is Kenshi's whole character motivation? Well Sindel had those souls in her, but we don't see them fly free when she dies. So where are they now?
Sam Greenblatt that wasn’t a soul that was a Star screamer a condensed version of her scream that can be used as a projectile
I really loved in Deception Sindel and Jade work together to free Kitana of Onaga's control and Sindel was seen crying and hugging Kitana and Jade smiling I think that was to indicate The 4th Snake of the roles being reverse and Sindel knew what it was to be mind controlled and have her daughter save her that was a happy ending.
Well, apparently they are retconing Sindel to have always been evil. Newer fans aren't going to see the real her now.
New fan here, you're underestimating the depth of my obsession.
A bit more to Sindel's lore, Shao Kahn was planning on killing Kitana and he only wanted Sindel as a bride, but Sindel tells Shao Kahn she won't be his bride if he kills Kitana
4th Snake: "Assuming she doesn't end up forgotten like Jade in MKX"
Me from the future: "Oh, they did do that and then did something much worse that you'd make at least 13 videos about it"
I love Sindel, she is my favorite. Her absence is the reason why I didn't play MKX. I really don't like what they have done to her, she was abruptly underwhelming in MK9 as well.
She's great. They'd best fix her in the next game.
Liya Özsöyler After the roster leak, it doesn't look like she's in MK11. I hope she's in as DLC ?
@@The4thSnake *WHOOPS*
You've really been scratching my itch with these wasted plotential videos man. I just want to keep circling this Kitana related character drain.
I'm thinking about covering Kitana and Liu Kang's relationship, but it'll be a ways off. Probably after we see how NRS ruins it in MK11.
You're probably right. It'll end up getting put through the wringer worse than Baraka.
Sindel's character in mk 11 is so damn baffling when you look at her arc from mk 3 to armageddon. She starts out as a McGuffin for khan only to develop into the compassionate caring mother that won't hesitate to protect her family by any means. What was so wrong with this that it needed to be overhauled into something that's the polar opposite? This is something I find the most egregious of the neather realm era. A severe lack of compassion and respect towards allies and loved ones that isn't the Briggs or Cage family or Sub -Zero and Scorpion.
I love your idea's for Sindel. She is my favorite character and I would love to see more of her !
Do Jade wasted plotential Mortal Kombat
Why are you doing this to me? You monster.
The4thSnake. Sorry just a suggestion to help push out more video's
My ideas for Jade are limited to what I've discussed here with Sindel. If they don't include her in MK11, I'll probably come up with a way for her to play a key role there after somehow escaping Quan Chi's hold offscreen. If they include her and fuck it up, I'll work with that to fix her.
Dcfan120 Dcfan120 Jade can still be used
Wat_dat_m0uf_d00 Hard to say but leaning towards the former
I am not a fan of Sindel but I can see how relevant she is to the other characters. I wonder what is preventing NetherRealms from taking objective criticism and story beats outside of just the money.
wh3nderson95 pride comes to mind.
Missrena1000 that and probably something with moving away from the 3d era MK games
It's also possible they're trying to move away from the established franchise to start somewhat fresh, thus leaving little room (in their eyes) to expand on anything meaningful.
Perhaps, but if you notice most fighting game franchises that do that have, in my opinion, a hard time resonating more vibrantly than their predecessors. I come back to Tekken 5 for this reason: They continued the story, but to me, it felt like the characters' participation in the tournament is for plot convenience (who knew that Paul entered T4 to fight against Kazuya, gee, it's not like he wanted to prove he won Tekken 3 or anything as was his prologue in T4). That's why, lorewise, Tekken 5 and MK9 have a hard time resonating for each of us respectively.
Back to the MKverse, Wated potential can talk about the fact that the mk team shoved in new characters that weren't needed. Bo rai cho as the comic relief/ wise mentor mix doesn't work, while Hsu Hao has been thrown into the afterthoughts of the MK design team (can someone tell me why he's so hated, is it because he's a discount Kano or something?). Another example of wasted potential that could be done is Shujinko, I think a character that was brought on as the "next gen Liu Kang" as Boon said, received an absolute cold shoulder in Cassie's MKX ending.
music mod joe Is think a whole video could be done on the characters introduced in the 3d era and the wasted potential
Even if she is wasted potential I still like her as a character
Wasted Potential often does mean they're good. An utterly awful character (Injustice Wonder Woman) doesn't have any potential TO waste.
Same and i like kung lao as well even if he might be a underrated character or bland i like the character
@@jaylanhilliard2484 I don’t like him he’s a jealous moron with a huge ego
She's easily the worst-written character in NRS history
Sindel is so underrated she's the first female to fly in the series and was the strongest female character in lore.
And when we finally got Sindel not being under mind control NRS gonna retcon her story and say she was always evil which makes no sense even the revenants are all good Sindel is one of them who actually good.
I think it'd be great to see a movie about Shao Khans takeover of Edenia. Wedding Sindel, adopting Kitana, creating Mileena... wouldn't be a happy ending, but would still be fucking awesome. With cameos from Jade, Tanya and Rain 😍
Sindel deserves the award of 'Most Okay Mom in the Universe'. She has flaws, she's made selfish mistakes, but wants to be better. I'm okay with that.
Although let's be honest here most Mortal Kombat characters deserve so much better. Even the ones we hate.
Definitely looking forward to more Wasted Plotential videos, they are like the video game equivalent to the rewrite videos Nando v Movies does for movies.
(That's supposed to be a compliment btw).
Considering how good his Justice League rewrite was, this means a lot. Thank you.
Sindel was called all different types of name by the characters in her intro dialogues she's been called a bitch, a witch, a racist, a liar etc in this timeline she's been retcon to be always evil in the original she's always been good and she's a sex addict this is such a completely new Sindel then the one we know of.
Mileena and Sindel's Wasted Plotential episodes are indeed my favorites, considering I believe they expand and provide in-depth character studies and rework already established storylines and narratives to be more in line with their given personality, for this case, this storyline works well with what is known and established about Queen Sindel. It doesn't make for "evil" for the sake of looking evil, MK11 clown shoes
I'm surprised the outcry about Netherrealm retconning and screwing up their own characters started when Sindel was released, yet nobody bat an eye about Kabal being a member of the Black Dragon again.
Kabal's currently a revenant, isn't he? Or at least Present-Kabal.
Then again, they're pretty much doing a hard reboot with all the time-travel and alternate timeline stuff in MK11, so...
It's been 4 years and it still sickens me deeply knowing how FUCKED the MK canon is...
This is beautiful. I mean at this point, it doesn't look like she's in MK11. DLC, hopefully ? It just doesn't make sense how she can have such a critical role in the story, be a NPC that you fight in the story for MKX, and now who knows what for 11. Just doesn't make sense why she wouldn't be on the roster. Her demand has never been this high, either. Put her in the game NRS
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Aftermath story ruined sindel for good they made it seem like she was back to normal & a loving mother and I was actually was enjoying it just to find out that she was being used like a bitch like she always is. Sindel even reveals she was always evil to begin with she literally a bitch now. Rip my favorite female character.
Sindel was a cool character but she should’ve been featured in MK4 as well since she was featured in the story.
Sindel having to defend her realm against the forces of darkness with Sindel fighting against Shinnok/Quan Chi.
Sindel joining the battle in Deception makes the most sense with Sindel having to now save her daughter from Onaga.
With the presence of Jade being revealed in MK11, Sindel must get revealed too. Sindel does vow to become a better mother and queen of Edenia. Jade would purposely free Sindel with the help of Kronika (Jade is another servant of Kronika maybe) so they can team up. Sindel speaks out to Kitana and is able to free her from being a revenant and takes a human Kitana to fight revenant Kitana in the present. The same for Liu Kang, Kung Lao etc.
I really like the Kitana related vranch of characters. Sindel is great, Kitana is, Jade is and then this is connecting us to Shao Khan and Shang Tsung who are both pretty good.
Shame how MK4 takes mostly place in Edenia, but Sindel doesn't even appear in the game while Jarek fucking exists.
If I would have given her an ending in MK4, she'd probably crown Kitana as Queen, because I've always wanted to see them be friendly to each other in a cutscene, for once.
Awesome video! I want to see Sindel be freed from her revenant state in MK11 and have to face Kitana in order to save her. She could face a huge amount of guilt for the events of MK9 and attempt to redeem herself by stopping Kitana. I like the idea of Sindel interacting with Mileena who I guess would be a surrogate daughter to her. It could create some interesting dynamics!
Thank you. Yes, that's what I was going for. They keep missing these great opportunities.
Reading this now in 2021 really hurts, given what she turned out to be
Any else have a crush on her as a kid. 👀
😕
Fan Man 😷
Fan Man she's beyond the age of 50's she's like thousands,and I think shao kahn is just into milfs
The Programmer of video games Hes up there in age too
@@PeakCuriosity. I had a crush on all of the females in MK Trilogy, except Sheeva, I was terrified of her. I was like 3 or 4 years old though. Now she's one of my favorites.
Wow, what an interesting old video! I sure hope the next MK doesn’t butcher Sindel so much farther beyond recognition than the past two that another half dozen videos like this one have to be made! That would be ridiculous!
The one that dislikes this video are probably from NRS and WB.
Personal thoery: Armageddon (2006) and the Armageddon intro from MK9 are set in different timelines. Kronika meses with each timeline so things happen differently in each of them. It would make sense she would mess with SIndel's past to get a different result. Basing this on the fact we see Raiden and Liu Kang fighitng in Armageddon a few times during Raidens flashback
Honestly, I think pretty much every woman in this series, with the exception of Sonya, was handled poorly and is too simplified. And I'm not saying Sonya isn't over-simplified. I just don't see much potential in her as a character. I'm also not counting the new kids or D'Vorah. Again, lame characters in general and I don't see them having much potential. However, most of them have potential to be interesting or could at least have some development past their basic roles. For example:
Tanya could be a traitor still, but have a good reason for it. I really see no reason for her treacherous nature. In MK X, her wanting Edenia back is sensible enough, but before that she didn't seem to hold much true loyalty to Edenia. I think perhaps she could have been improved by making some sort of internal class struggle or holding a grudge against the royal family. Maybe she was a poorly-treated servant. Maybe there's some history where she was meant to be the princess/queen but her family was somehow ousted by Jerrod and his line.
Mileena knowing Kitana and possibly even Jade and Sindel is far better than the reboot version where she doesn't really know anyone and has no attachment. However, I suppose you could go with the idea that she thought Kitana should be her sister and is upset with the fact that Kitana is repulsed by her. There also could be some internal conflict between loyalty to Kahn due to that being bred into her, and the knowledge that Kahn finds her just as disposable as any other of his subjects.
Jade is done well enough, but her outright disappearing made no real sense. Perhaps she could have returned and somehow brought revanants Kitana and Sindel back to life.
I have tons of ideas for stories, but I'll leave it there lest I turn this into my own video (which might actually be really fun, to be honest). I still think those ideas would have been better than the actual stories we got with these characters and most others. I know fighting games aren't meant to be known for their story, but MK's lore always stuck out to me as one of the most interesting. While it's more the mechanics and looks that are important to fighters, a great story with great characters makes it outstanding. I would love for the writing to get better in MK 11 but I'm not holding my breath.
MK absolutely has the best lore and setting of any fighter. They've squandered that since the reboot. You could do so much with these characters and yet, they just don't. They keep them at a baseline level with only a few select characters getting any kinda of development. You should absolutely consider a video or write-up with your ideas. I'd definitely watch/read it.
@@The4thSnake Yeah. I feel like they squandered a ton of the lore and character development all for the ideas that a) They need to appeal to a new audience and b) people who play fighters don't care about story and won't be able to/won't want to follow anything too complicated. The first I can understand, but feel it was executed poorly, and the second I personally find insulting. Not all fans of fighting games (or games in general) are morons who don't/can't follow and appreciate a deep, meaningful story in addition to the mechanics of the games.
But yes, perhaps I will indeed make a video with these ideas. I do quite enjoy analyzing/writing stories and also delving into a fighter would be a deviation of my main schtick (I mostly stick with RPG's and action/adventure titles). Thanks for the positive feedback and good ideas for my own work. ^^
I mean.... have you seen my comment sections? ;)
And no problem. Send me a link when you're done and feel free to ask for suggestions and feedback.
@@The4thSnake Yes I have. The comments remind me of a quote from Yahtzee about um... I think it was Gears of War 3... or some shooter. It was like "And don't say the story doesn't matter! If I'd said the story was amazing, you fucking fanboys would be shouting that shit from the rooftops until someone asked you to leave!" The same can be said here. If you say the story is great, no one dares to say "who cares about story?" or "why so much thought put into story?" etc. It's really dumb. But eh, gaming channel comment sections are probably some of the worst on the internet. I don't get as many idiots cause I'm still very small. I know what I'm getting myself into though. And yes, when I do an MK video, you'll definitely get a link to it. ^^
Interesting comment. For me though, what I have problem is that they have the chance to flesh out characters that rarely appear or only appear once. Aside from Kenshi they could have Li Mei, Sindel (this video already address that), Kai, Sareena, Fu Jin, Kira, Tanya, Cobra, Nitara, Ashrah, Hotaru, Rain, even Chameleon and Tremor as not only playable but play more important role in story. Some of them could take the spotlight to at least temporary replace the character that had been killed. Kai, Li mei, Sareena, and Sindel are a great character to use instead of creating four new character (Cassie, Jacqui, Kung Jin, Liu Kang) to take the main character's place. D'Vorah is interesting but her role could be replace by Tanya. Kotal Khan and Erron Black is the one that could stay I guess. I feel like it's a shame that all the character I mention didn't get the same spotlight while there are many chance to do it. They keep creating new character while left the old character that have a chance to shine to death.
Love how the story is set up here and the last two options for how things would go for Sindel in the current timeline could've worked into MK11 if the story does just go into Deadly Alliance/Deception
I hope Liu Kang doesn't revive Onaga, making them the Deadly Alliance.
The4thSnake I'm sure Liu and Kitana will try to do find a way although if anything from the MKX comics gets lifted Daegon and Goro would be doing that as well or try to find anything on Onaga in general
Sindel is one of my ABSOLUTE favorites of MK 😃
My first MK game was MK Armageddon, so I didn't get much of the story of the first timeline. This is why I'd rather label myself as a newer fan, especially because I also thought Sindel would be on the bad side before I started watching this channel
This proves Nether Realm doesn’t believe the whole we want diversity. They took a strong female character who resisted a God like being and turned her into gold digging Vamp who chases every pretty man (She flirts with Jax, Johnny, Fuji etc.)
the way sindel commmited suicide was weird XD
Love that instead of trying to fix the shit show they started with this with making you think she's going to possibly be as she was before, then they double down and make her triple evil to the point that it was laughable. Like "Suddenly female Stalin!" levels of evil upgrades.
She literally became Female Shao Kahn
It’s “Absorbing Man from Hulk” levels of over the top ham.
It should be said that. In the original timeline Shao Kahn's invassion was more of a hunt for the champions who's souls Raiden was able to protect as almost the entire population of tlEarthwas instakilled by Kahn's soul magic the moment he set foot on Earthrealm.
I pray for the day Sindel is restored and joins Earthrealm. I want to see her take down evil and help her daughter and restore her place on the throne.
I really enjoy your takes on the alternative storylines
Sindel being revenant Kitana’s slave/pet, that would be one hell of a way to establish the new Kitana.
Could make for an intersting sub-boss too.
The4thSnake That’s an even cooler idea
I could see Kitana with Feral Sindel and/or Feral Mileena, before the final boss of Liu Kang and/or Raiden.
The4thSnake That would be horrifying, but would make for an interesting fight.
sᏆᎾᏒm7uᏒᏦ They have been fucking up lol
During a time She wasn't retconned....
"They're top-tier milf waifus". I nearly broke my neck from that fucking whip-lash there, jesus. I was NOT expecting that. Especially being said so calmly, and professionally. ._.
Been watching your stuff for a few days, Snake. Fuckin' *love* it. You've earned a sub.
Thank you. Welcome to the channel. plz share commnt subsrib m lonely
Top notch milf waifus I thought I heard that wrong and had to play again. I'm DYING
I hope you don't turn into a revenant then.
I hope one of them NRS writers watched this video while retconing her rather than scratching their asses.
Man, coming back to this comment section after the release of Aftermath is actually kind of heartbreaking...
Jade's Desert actually IS in Earthrealm. It always was. Remember how Cyrax getting stuck in the sand there ended up being canon.
The thing is, they never explained why it was called "Jade's". In fact, it's not called Jade's anymore in MK9, probably because they realized that was a dumb name that made it sound like it's in the wrong realm.
RazorsEdge701 Cyrax being stuck in the sand is not proof that Jade's Desert is in Earthrealm. Why would an Edenian Warrior have a desert named after themselves in another realm?
I too think that "Jade's" desert was in fact in Earthrealm. MK9 story confirmed it since Sindel was ressurected in Earth.
I don't know why it was called Jade's desert back in the old timeline since it had no relations to Jade herself. There was another weird named stage in MK Trilogy called "Sciclac Busorez". It's a direct reference to Classic Sub-Zero. In umk3 it was the stage where player would fight against him as he was one of a hidden opponents. Jade's desert however didn't get that kind of relation or any other for that matter. Cyrax‘s desert would be much more meaningful name.
Why do you consider the dumb unexplained name of the stage more canon than Cyrax being there? Cyrax getting lost in a desert and being rescued by Sonya and Jax is part of his bios in MK Gold and Deadly Alliance. It definitely happened in the story. And like I said, they don't even call it "Jade's" anymore in MK9. Its name is just "The Desert" now.
Hell, Earthrealm and Outworld were half-merged during Ultimate MK3. Maybe the reason the desert belonged to Jade is because it was an Earthrealm desert combined with some Outworld territory that used to be part of Edenia, where Jade is from? Maybe the reason it was called Jade's is because, while Kahn was conquering Earth, he said "Serve me well and you can have this chunk of land as a reward" or something like that?
so then for the reboot, Jade Desert is on Earth. That doesn't explain the OG timeline.
I didn't say that Cyrax being stuck in the desert isn't canon. You're asserting that "The Desert" is in Earthrealm because of Cyrax being stuck there. That proves nothing. Outworld could very well have deserts, it has a Living Forest afterall. I've always taken Cyrax being stuck has a running gag- he was constantly malfunctioning in the MK3/MKT/UMK3 string of games. You haven't provided significant proof that Jade's Desert is in Earthrealm. Now, I'll concede that maybe some part of Earth and Outworld merged to create the desert, that's a possibility.
She better be in Mk11, and they better give her redemption!!
I hope they do.
Yeah by getting murdered again hopefully.
I don't think she is.
@@Penelope416 she was found on the dlc datamine of the switch version along with nightwolf
She is DLC
Where to even begin with this mess...
Honestly even her MK9 arc with sacrifice instead of suicide still had potential, but just like with cyborg Sub-Zero - they wasted it. Instead of her killing everyone one by one, she attacks along with LIn Kuei. Hell, they could even make it to be her chapter as she fights earthrealm warriors while others are busy with cyborgs. She fights Kabal, Jax, Smoke and Kitana, killing each of them.
After that Nightwolf defeats her and performs a purifying ritual on her (if he can vaporize people with beam of light, i don't see why not).
Once battle is over and Sindel gets her free will restored she realizes what she just done and would be devastated that after sacrificing herself to make earthrealm save, her daughter dies protecting earthrealm, even worse - from her hand. She falls on her knees next to Kitana, while cursing Shao Khan and Quan Chi for that. Stryker, Sonya, Sub-Zero and Liu Kang would want her dead for killing their friends, while Jade, Raiden, Johnny and Nightwolf would oppose the idea. Johnny says that there was enough death already (showing that he can serious for once), Jade and Nightwolf that killing her now will only help Khan succed, while Raiden has another vision and realize what "he must win" means (yes i would skip the part with him fighting revenants).
He explains that they must let Khan win so the Elder Gods will -move their worthless asses- intervene. Liu Kang after hearing that calls Raiden insane and storms off to fight Shao Kahn himself. Everyone follow him and stand before Kahn, who sends Reptile, Baraka and other jobbers against them, while Sindel and Raiden speak with Khan. Liu Kang tries to attack so Raiden stops him and they fight.
Khan merges realms and Elder Gods show up. Liu Kang defeats Raiden and jumps on Khan. Khan kills him, possibly by punching him trough his chest. Raiden has no power in now merged earthrealm so it's Sindel who gets possesed by Elder Gods. After Khan is defeated, Elder Gods kill him and trap his soul in some heaven sanctuary (because they are dumbasses and so he can possibly return in the future).
After the credits Quan Chi would come where Khan died after a while with Scorpion and his five revenants to make Liu Kang one as well. Since Quan Chi prefered Noob over him and he has 5 revenants now, Scorpion starts feeling disposable and has doubts about his actions. Maybe he could contact Nightwolf, tell him about revenants and that he doesn't know wheter they can be helped or not. Upon hearing this, remaining earthrealm warriors strive to find the way to save their friends.
They could also establish that Bi-Han turned into wraith because of his crimes and Hanzo into spectre, because of his lust for revenge (or something like that). That would set up much better sequel which could star characters that previously weren't fleshed out as much before like Jade, Sindel, Stryker and Nightwolf.
That's my take on how they could make MK9's story slightly less insufferable while keeping their stupid ending and character based chapters. I didn't mention Sindel in MKX, because at this point there's not much to do without retconning previously retconned stuff.
Not a bad take.
I like your idea alot :-) I'd only flip Raiden and Sub Zero when it comes to the Kill Sindel/Don't kill her debate. I can see Raiden wanting blood because near the end of the OG timeline, he became Dark Raiden and was very harsh and unforgiving, so I would put him in Camp Kill Sindel. Subzero has long been characterized as being very wise, honorable, and even forgiving (see his history with Frost). Given those qualities, and his being cyberized in the reboot, he'd probably be able to understand being possessed better than most, and spare her life, even though he'd be intensely angry with her and wouldn't trust her.
In the original timeline Raiden and Sub-Zero were as you described, but i tried to make it consistent with this new timeline and showcase how better the story could be even without changing the ending and story structure.
Raiden troughout the game tries to save as many people as he can, while Sub-Zero not only left Sonya alone with mortally wounded Jax, but also would kill Scorpion if Lin Kuei didn't capture him. Ironically he softened a bit once he became a cyborg.
I made my take in 5 minutes while watching this video so there's room to improve it.
Might as well be Sub-Zero being against, while Raiden trying to grasp the meaning of the vision, so he doesn't take a stance in this one and he once he realizes what must be done and explain this to the group everyone drops the topic of Sindel.
With this change it actually feels better so i guess you just proved that these games had only one writer :D
I would be fine with female beating the main villain twice in a row. It's not an issue that Cassie is female (Takeda beating Shinnok would be just as contrived), but the fact she beats Shinnok, who should squash her into a pulp, is just ridiculous. The same goes for Johnny.
If it was Raiden or Fujin? Fine.
Scorpion, Sub-Zero or Kenshi? With proper setup it could work.
Literally anyone else? Nuh-huh.
She and Takeda were also beaten by Ferra/Torr and by Ermac along with Jin and Jaqui. In the woods she could barely take down one soldier from Kotal's army.
I'm not saying Takeda wouldn't be slightly better, but either of these 4 defeating Shinnok is just awful idea. Since they were introduced in MKX, all of them should play secondary role, then taking primary one in MK11. As it is now it's hard to feel sympathy or root for them, since Jin already beaten Raiden and Kotal, Cassie beaten Kitana, Sindel and Shinnok at his maximum power, Takeda beaten Ermac and Jaqui beaten Ermac and Kotal.
This makes difficult to take Raiden, Kotal, Liu Kang or Kitana as a threat in MK11.
Takeda, Jaqui or Jin beating Shinnok wouldn't make much of a difference in this case.
Great video! I admit - I was one of those new fans who thought Sindel was just...evil. Also, awesome to see you're gonna do an Ermac video! He does seem really wasted in MK11 and X.
I'm glad I was able to educate you. Yeah, there'll be a non-MK episode, then Ermac. Some A Line Through Times in between too.
Old MK head here- Sindel was never evil, just brainwashed and manipulated, which is tragic and in in some ways worse- she never had an agency until Kitana rescued her.
i love the idea that to kill her self she didn't take poison but swan dived into the ground
OR on a positive note!
Jade could very well play a pivotal role in revenants resurrection. Sindel might be one of the very fortunate few restored and by doing so is her original self again. But she can't get through to Kitana. Reference to Sareena's words to Kitana in MKX, the will to break free from the revenant form must be strong. As a result, Sindel toward the end of the MK11 story sacrifices her self save Kitana. Seeing her mother die before her eyes allows Kitana to break free of the dark magic and resurrect herself
I can't imagine the Jade angle being at all satisfying. I bet they won't even explain where she was for twenty-seven years and just say whatever happened to her happened at some point.
I still thinking when John Tobias is coming back to fix the story.
Same.
Still waiting for that day to come
Idea 1 for the new timeline works for me, as in yes I would’ve loved to see this in mkx, too bad we can’t because Netherrelm is ran by asshats
Is it intentional that the games are all about the Netherrealm now that they're called Netherrealm Studios?
The4thSnake It seems to be
Sindel is my main since mk3, and I would like to see her story the way you told.
This is aweful.
It goes beyond wasted potential and goes straight into being an insult.
Sindel's up there as one of the most ruined by the new timeline. Along with Mileena and the two monks.
This is so true. Mortal kombat X was my first game so I thought Sindel was just a bitch and I had no idea she was Katana's mother
The magnificent Swan Diver
MK3 was the best version by far. They really need to write the scene in where she realizes that she’s Edenian and her husband, King Jerod, was killed by Shao Kahn, and that she must reunite with her similarly mislead daughter. We also need the long-haired scream witch queen and the “normal” look back, rather than this current wannabe rockstar mom one?
Your comments about Mileena actually struck a chord. I always felt with Mileena they should've further explored an arc where she's not evil for evils sake, but rather she's like a younger sibling desperate for approval and wants what she feels she's earned. If they do bring back one of Mileena's clones for MKXI I think it would be interesting to see a role reversal with Kitana,now a co-ruler of the NetherRealm, and Mileena fighting on the side of Light to prevent a NetherRealm invasion, and possibly be the one that turns Kitana back to the forces of good. Sorry for the long ramble. As always, Great Content.
Oh, no, thank you for this. Make sure you watch Mileena's episode too since I went deeper into her character there. Mileena will also be brought up a little in the Ermac episode.
As for a potential additional clone, it could be another Kitana clone, or a clone of Mileena. Either way, it could have any personality, really. A heroic Mileena, maybe one who sees Kitana as a sister and wants to save her, could be a possibility.
Fun fact, if you want Mileena not being evil for evil's sake check out the Kitana/Mileena Ending(s) for MK4 (they basically go over the same events with the only difference being which one wins the altercation. Needless to say Kitana's is the one that's canon).
In MK4's endings, Mileena actually wants to rule Edenia *with* Kitana and (presumably) Sindel, not just to rule a realm but to be a family again and all that jazz. However, Kitana refuses as to her Mileena is just a reminder of how fucked of Shao Kahn is. It's after Kitana disavows her as a monster that Mileena goes full dark side. Spending the entirety of the Deadly Alliance (off screen) and Deception arcs doing anything she can to screw her "hateful" sister's life & legacy up as much as possible. Then sometime in between Deception and Armageddon her antics impressed Shao Kahn and he invites her back into his good graces (despite her failures in MK2 & MK3).
Once again, #OldTimelineIsBestTimeline
Sindel always been so damn underrated I always enjoyed playing her female wise in MK Trilogy that was the first MK game I played but she was my main female cause I like she can use her hair as weapon and that scream thing she does her role in MK9 when she killed half of the forces of light made her get a lot of notice though but she's morely hated cause of that oh well that's apart of her resume now NetherRealm said she's the strongest female character in the franchise.
That trivia at the end knocked me out!
🤣🤣🤣
It's crazy, right?
I love the idea of Sindel and Melina having a surrogate mother daughter relationship. Especially since that’s not something she’d actually have being Kitana’s clone.
3:44 This also had me question why Quan Chi had to fully restore Sindel in MK2011 when he resurrected her again as a revenant. This applies to the other heroes that Sindel killed off in Nightwolf's Chapter. Not much on the revenants or resurrection doesn't seem to make sense in the NetherRealm Era.
I think it was because there was no body left
0:40 that's the dumbest hara kiri I've seen, it never ceases to amuse. xD
I think Tanya's is dumber.
“milf Waifu”
😂
Strongest female in the game. Also she's a Banshee:)
Do kitana wasted potential cause she over a thousand years old with years of assign training and experience but she still is easily defeated she could be a powerful queen who kills shao kon and other enemies if she was written write
reconnecting Sindel with Ermac-Jarrod, Kitana and Adopted Daughter Mileena is too much for Netherrealm to think about. it hurts their potato brains.
Omg that's such an amazing idea tbh
Oooooh-ho-ho. Nice video and I'm excited for the Ermac video
Thank you. I hope I don't disappoint.
Can't wait for Ermac. He was my favorite character in old timeline(and still is) but i was so dissapointed in his role of second-rate punching bag that he is now. I juts hope, that maybe his ending will be canon and in MK11, he will be saved by Kenshi or other positive character and become good again.
I hope they can do some good with him too.
I want her back as a playable character. None of my friends liked it when I would fly and spit fireballs from afar and low fire balls. She was a wonderful character to play as and I hope I see her return in MK 11 as a playable character
She can be so different from the others, in terms of moveset.
Well since the MK9-MK11 stories been concluded in MK12 if Sindel is in or future games I would like to see Sindel being good her being brainwashed can be just what happened to her once she was ressurected I like to see her ruling her realm as queen and everyone bowing down to her and using her banshee scream and her hair whips in cutscenes and she gets her own chapter and being a caring and lovable queen and mother she once was before Shao Kahn invaded her realm.
As a new fan to MK, you were correct because I honestly had no idea about Sindels legacy and how she was actually truly good and was corrupted later with that god awful story writing, she’s truly been shit on by the MK team...I thought she was an evil bitch who just killed everyone until I saw this video....damn they really need to get their shit together and give Sindel the redemption that she deserves 🤦🏻♂️
Sindel could bring back her lance back from deception in MK11, she's back as a kombat pack 1 DLC fighter. She could have gear pieces of her boots, scream and hair.
Hold on, hold on... Wait a minute. This chick really just did a back flip, and landed on her head to kill herself. WHY ARE WE SKIPPING OVER THAT???
Most of the Hara-Kiris were dumn. Tanya's is worse.
You owe us a Jade vid, buddy.
The writing for the reboot is DIRE!
Oh man watching this post after mk11 hurts my soul
12:08
Wow, found 4thSnake's waifu 👫💕
Funny how her lookalike character, Silver Banshee from DC always tends to get misused and treated like a C-list pushover outside the comics as well
Kung Lao NEEDS an episode!!!
Kung Lao's GETTING an episode!!! Just not yet.
shes just letting it hang out here...
I love how as T4Snek is talking about Kitana died because of the DA, we see the latter orally violated
MK9 was my introduction to the MK story, and my opinion of Sindel was just as you said. Thanks for enlightening me.
You're welcome.
I love Sindel and Ashrah ❤️❤️❤️
NRS destroying their own characters and storylines that were once clever, subtly nuanced and inspired. It's like Bruce Timm (creator of Batman: The Animated series) who has now completely soured and shits on his own creations with stuff like the unbelievabley cringey "Batman & Harley Quinn" movie, and the gross (unfortunately canon) modern storylines that he created for the tie-in comic series to B: TAS.
It's bizarre how much DC influence there is here, like doing an in-continuity reboot that needlessly wipes out the old stuff.
I personally would call it "clever. But I agree, the older storylines are definitely more interesting than than the new one.
Damn, the lore could've been great, borderline soap opera without wasting any violence whatsoever why did the new timeline's writers did what they did damn
This video has aged like a fine wine!!!! 🍷
Well you cannot deny Sindel killing half the heroes did not give her a lot of exposure in the Mortal Kombat community.
I wonder if Sindel had powers before Shao Kahn invaded her realm?
I had always thought that Sindel's Deception ending was canon. Seems strange that it isn't the one they went with.
I think it's because Sindel kills Onaga in her ending, while Liu Kang and Ermac don't. And they wanted Shujinko to redeem himself for allowing Onaga to return. If Sindel had only freed Kitana, it might have been canon.