@@wakkaseta8351 Raiden: I must consult with the Elder Gods to determine my feelings on the matter. Oh wait, no. I hardly see any reason to feel any inadequacy. ....I'll do it anyway.
@@John-Stark Can you imagine being alive for maybe 20ish years and act like a baby only to have a 5 year old clone of a princess with shark teeth be more mature.
@@nabilahmed579 Actually, we don’t know how long since Shao has been in control for a millennia and has probably been itching for a better Kitana, but Shang Tsung is just taking his time, perfecting Mileena and giving her magic.
I really hated how Sub-Zero got short end of the stick and I can only speak for myself as biased Sub-Zero fan. We see Scorpion and Sub-Zero finally working together and after their chapter they go their separate ways and Hanzo gets killed. We don't even see Kuai Liang mourning that Hanzo is gone and he should have been the one to defeat Frost. Scorpion gets extra chapter, but not Sub-Zero. I know Ed Boon loves Scorpion and D'vorah as a characters, but his favoritism is getting sickening and this is coming from guy who actually likes Scorpion. Also fuck D'vorah for killing Elder Scorpion.
@@teriosshadow17 I feel like maybe there should have been some type of montage or something but I just wanted one scene at the end where he is at the place where ha so had died or is at his grave and mourning him
@Eternally Suffering maybe, but why? Even if she was his sister, she’d have no real reason to hate the Shirai Ryu because she never even knew about the Lin Kuei or would have known anyone in the old Lin Kuei.
Another Dude Ermac: We must have done something terrible to deserve this. Rain: Oh boo hoo. I've been playable in 3 games. Two of them featuring everyone anyway. And the other as dlc. Ermac: Who are you again? Rain: EXACTLY!!
Personally I would have loved if they made frost a good guy. Like maybe in this alternate time line she is disciplined and her story coild be learning to control her violent outbursts.
The main thing preventing her from being a good guy is her shortsightedness. She's trying to obtain power she lacks the ability to harness, and doesn't have motivation to use that power for her own causes.
You know what? I hate your videos. You make me desperately want to see all of this in games, only to realize that Netherrealm probably will never treat characters as they deserve and never realize their plotentials. But I also love your videos, because you give me a glipse of what could've happen with these characters with proper care. At least it's better than nothing. I really want to see Frost on a good side, as well as Mileena. MK universe has enough villains already. Hell, even Baraka and Sheeva were good guys in the end… right until that time reset.
Not all characters can be main characters. I don't know about The4thSnake's other videos, but the work NRS did from 10 to 11 to make Frost a viable player character was brilliant. She makes Sub-Zero more interesting.
I think Frost's backstory is quite implied by how she appears in the comics. It only takes some decent writing to flesh it out a bit more. We find her fighting in an underground death match ring that we later learn is controlled by Kano's Black Dragon! That, plus her comments about killing her parents and being a Cryomancer descendant, imply a really dysfunctional and violent childhood. Imagine an X-Men Villain Meets Black Lagoon's Hansel and Gretel, or that Jet Li movie where he is raised as an kung-fu attack dog by a mobster. That by itself would explain her entire personality. She's a tykebomb who was made to kill for the amusement of others. She has obvious inferiority-superiority complex born of trauma and abuse, so she desperately wants to be number one and for other people to admit it. Sub-Zero does his best to mentor her, but she obviously has authority issues given her childhood. Plus, Sub-Zero is a good guy, but he's also leader of an assassin clan who was raised by said clan. Not the best mentor or place for someone who was abused and made to kill her whole life. She's very much a deconstruction of Batman's Robin sidekicks, very close to Jason Todd/Red Hood in personality, and a much darker, traumatized version of Anakin Skywalker, Sasuke Uchiha or Elsa. Simply put, she needed some heavy and long therapy, not combat/assassin training. If she were part of the New Generation, she'd definitely be the Token Psycho Teammate loose cannon. She wouldn't respect or like either Cassie (for beating her in the death match) or Jacqui, would butt heads constantly with Kung Jin (they're both jerks, after all) and would likely develop clan rivalry with Takeda because she wants to be the superior of the group. I doubt team-building would redeem or mellow her out to Cassie or Jacqui, given their highly different upbringings (Cassie and Jacqui had mostly-functional and loving families), and even if she knew about Takeda's losing his mother or Kung Jin's family rejecting his homossexuality, she wouldn't want to be vulnerable by displaying sympathy or sharing her story. That need for power and recognition would even explain her becoming Cyber Lin Kuei/Tekunin, though not her hatred for the Shirai Ryu. The Red and Black Dragons both use cybernetics to enhance themselves, so Frost obviously doesn't care that cyberization may cost her soul. Someone with her harsh upbringing would obviously be confrontational and look down on peace and diplocacy, but she wouldn't have any major grudge against Scorpion and the Shirai Ryu (unless they wanted to create a "Shirai Ryu weren't such good guys" plot, like her parents being of the clan, or the Shirai Ryu having worked with the Red/Black Dragons). It might also explain her hatred towards Raiden. Someone like Frost learning about the Gods is going to have a well-justified syndrome of Kratos-style misotheism. After all, where was Raiden and the Elder Gods when she was being abused by her parents or made into a bloodhound by the Black Dragons? Same goes for Sonya Blade, who's military and in charge of hunting the Black Dragon; she essentially blames Sonya (and any goverment, police, any law-enforcing organization and individuals really) for not saving her from her parents/the Black Dragon. She'd display the same amount of resentment towards Jax and the rest of Special Forces, Stryker, the White Lotus or any "hero group" who she considers to have failed her. I don't think Frost's age would allow for her to be Sub-Zero's sister (both versions look old enough to be her father). She COULD be his niece, possibly, or a very distant relative. Overall, I think Frost really works best as a Tragic Villain type, which I wish Netherealm would explore better.
@@jermaineboyd6594 Aw, chucks! XD Thanks for the compliment, pal! Honestly, I don't know WHAT's with entertainment industry nowadays. They're ruining all the good franchises and characters...
@@fightingmedialounge519 She's obviously someone with issues, but the games just communicate her arrogance and psychosis and don't bother giving any clear context to her and her actions. I extrapolated and deduced her background and motivations, but the writers couldn't be bothered with actually making her more complex. The main issue is that they quite obviously lost focus of the very lore they're working with. Like making Sindel a dominatrix backstabbing tyrant. The best thing about Classic Sindel is that she LOOKS evil and sinister, but is actually benevolent and nice. And this seems to have become endemic across movie and game industry.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Well, if you don't read the comics or pay attention to her intro lines (or follow her cahracter since the classic games), she mostly just comes across "psycho delinquent Anakin expy". Which itself is gross simplification, reductionism and banalization of Anakin Skywalker's entire character and what creates Fallen Heroes and Tragic Villains in general.
Oh my god, despite I'm a Frost fan I agree 100% that NRS should have improved her story. I feel like her hating on Sub-Zero just because she ignored to make her 1-dimensional character. There was room to show why she's like that, what motivated her, and how she can be improved. Plus I do think the MK11 story doesn't do a good job on showcasing Frost despite being the only character to be unlocked in the story mode.
NRS: We are finally going to do what we set out to do after Armageddon and make a new generation of fighters to follow in the footsteps of the older characters. We have Cassie, daughter of Sonya and Johnny, Jacquie, daughter of Jax, Tekada, protege of Scorpion and son of Kenshi and Kung-Jin, cousin to Kung-Lao. Fans: And Frost, the already established protege of Sub-Zero? NRS: Who? Oh uh...yeah, uh she'll have a cameo in the comics and X. Fans: But...isn't she newer generation like you wanted to do? NRS: Er...well she's not new...she's 3d era and we aren't fond of that even though it is an era where a lot of our fans came from who came to appreciate our story telling. Fans: Well...will you do something with her in the next game at least? NRS: Yeah uh... *checks her wiki* We know the perfect story for her.... *rehashes her old storyline again*
I unironically love that Frost is so desperate for approval but believes power is the only way to get it, it makes her such a massive fuck up - and I mean that in the best way possible. There's a ton of male fuck up villains in media but almost no female ones, so her trying so hard to be a conniving backstabber but being out-maneuvered by literally every one is so endearing to me
@@patrickpugh7495 With these cinematic story modes, there are chances to breath new life into these characters, just because she wasn't ever interesting, doesn't mean she can't be made as such. This video is proof.
@@fiendwithoutaface6833 not denying she can't be interesting. She can be. It's just I see so many comments constantly complaining on how they "ruined frosts character" and every time I hear this I just think "what character? She's always just been sub-zero just ironically more hot headed." Again I'm not dissing on the idea of making her interesting. It's just I'm sick and tired of people acting like her character is completely ruined.
I remember making a version of Frost who grew up in a dysfunctional and distnat family that she ran away from, having been unable to mature herself as a person or have the nurturing and parental figure that we need in our life Olivia (her real name) mainly acted almost entirely on impulse due to her inability to connect with others due to the cruelty, loneliness and loss she suffered during childhood. This is also what causes her downfall as when Olivia does join the Lin Kuei with open wounds and being unable to give herself needed closure and due to this impulsive recklessness her cryomancy is either weaker than Sub-Zero's or more unstable when she focuses all of her energy into it and even in the story accidentally harms friends. Another factor in this is her relationship with Sub-Zero, in him she sees everything she wants to be and what she wants from someone but is too scared to let herself be vulnerable to have. Olivia wants to be strong disaplined and powerful but most importantly she wants to connect to Sub-Zero as a stable parental figure that she never had. Sorry for the tangent but she was really fun to write.
NRS has put themselves in a weird spot, haven't they? There's the "No unplayable NPCs" promise, meaning the cyborgs/Triborg should've been playable, but then with the whole"DLC will not be repeated" thing, the cyborgs/Triborg can't be added in at this point.
@@wakkaseta8351 yeah seriously NRS played themselves big time on that from it's a shame that characters such as Rain, Triborg , Tremor etc can't come back through DLC again if they aren't on the roster beforehand
0:40 you're right, no reason was ever given, but as I mentioned in some other comments I'm writing a complete story for the franchise trying to reconcile every single plot hole into one cohesive story. So my version of the story is that before joining the Lin Kuei Frost used to fight in underground brawls, as shown in the MKX comic, although in the original timeline Cassie didn't exist, so Frost would remain undefeated in the underground tournament. Because of partaking in illegal battles she would always found herself fighting law enforcers, so she'd have a specific encounter with Sonya during that time, maybe Sonya would even kill a friend of Frost in a battle or something like that. Anyway that Konquest line you show can be interpreted as Sonya having been defeated by Frost in the past, since it says she has a score to settle, and that their first encounter was unpleasant, which doesn't necessarily mean that THIS is their first encounter.
Personally, I would have loved it if Takeda were in the game and Frost would have a small rivalry that ends in friendship after Sub-Zero and Scorpion talk her down. Just imagine the banter between the two. Frost: "Scorpion doesn't take me seriously." Takeda: "You should be trying to get Sub-Zero to acknowledge you."
A pretty bad thought people have is that, just because they changed a character's playstyle or role in the story in comparison with the old timeline, they automatically assume the character is now "good", despite the entire opposite being the case, Frost is a character that went out not with a bang, but with a whimper, a character that wants attention from her masters can be done really well and can set up for a pretty good character arc A character that was rejected for her actions, could lead her to try and patch things up with her master and clan while realizing how wrong she was, and accept any kind of advice in a good way as a way to shape her up into an even better warrior and master, hell, if this was the case, Kuai-Liang could've died in the story, and both him and Frost could have a moment that will shake her to her core, turning her into a worthy successor of the Lin-Kuei... but no, "Daddy Kuai-Liang didn't approve of my rash actions so now i'll work with the bad guy, i'm pretty sure they'll know my worth even though I've NEVER met them before and wanting the approval of a complete stranger is all kinds of stupid" It's sad, because, there are characters from the 3D era that i think, would be difficult to make good or interesting, i would be all up on board for Hsu-Hao or even Mavado to return for a second attempt to impress the fans, but given their reputation i still believe it would be incredibly difficult to pull it off... but Frost was one of the EASIEST characters to do this with, she was one of the most popular 3D era characters, but now she's just Cyber-Jobber with actions that make no sense whatsoever, i actually think she's a worse character than before due to how much potential was lost with her
Really dislike the fact that she's now a android. They either should have given her more depth surrounding her rivalry with Sub-Zero or let her redeem herself by learning self-control and humility.
I love the new Frost. I love the way they remade her concept and design, instead of just being female Sub-Zero. Too bad her personality and plot involvement didn’t go very far
I liked that you mentioned the forgotten sister in the end. In my mind Frost was that sister and she wanted to be on equal footing with Sub Zero so she can protect him and they can be a family again. That’s why she wanted to learn fast but was too inexperienced with her powers that the medallion refused her. It would of been awesome if they went that route imagine her dialogue with Noob her other brother now turned wraith.
Oh, her? Yeah, roast away that totally could be an Orange Lantern. Edit: Really would've liked this Frost, and she sounds a heck of a lot better than that egotistical, power-hungry Tsundere.
I love how frost betrays sub zero nearly every game in the old universe and he STILL forgives her each and every time. Now she exists solely to remind you the old games existed.
Awesome work as always. These dev teams should definitely hire or consult you for writing their story arcs. I really liked your take on Jill's story and how it should have continued beyond RE5. And your take on Frost's story arc is way better than the original. I really like the idea of Frost struggling to control her powers & Raiden's visions helping her out via Sub-zero's proper training, and eventually becoming Sub-zero's trusted disciple without any of the inferiority complex and bad-temperament. Your take on character stories, the once which I have watched so far, have all been great. I swear this channel is sooo....underrated. Keep on doing what you do best.
What you said at the end (about Frost being the third sibling) is direction that i wanted to see. Not only would it enhance dynamic between her and Sub Zero, but would also make her fall to the dark side even more impactful. So, at the end, you will have this scenario: one sibling is evil because of corruption, second one is evil because of spite and jealousy, and you also have the third one who is desperately trying to bring them back to normal. This situation could also make SF have some distrust towards Sub Zero, but also have Scorpion/Hanzo be the only one who trusts him (since he is the one who has been in the same place), therefore making their friendship even stronger. They could also have Noob come to Lin Kuei temple in order to take his sister, who is now a cyborg, with him and have them become this timelines Noob/Smoke. And then fight between 4 warriors would have been far more impactful. Sub and Hanzo could save Frost and re-program her (kinda like what Jax did to Sub in MK9), while also having Sub know that darkness inside Frost would not disappear with her cybernetics, therefore making her even more tragic than she already was. And, also, Noob could suddenly recover and murder Hanzo (as they should have done). Finally, Sub will tell Frost that they could save Bi-Han only if they work together. This would not resolve conflict between them, but rather temporarily postpone it. Now, whether they succeed or not... It probably doesn't matter since Kronika erased everything. I hope that you will soon release WP on Kronika, her minions, Kollector, Sektor and other characters that have been misused or haven't been used to their true potential.
Oh man, if Frost is Sub Zero's and Noob's little sister that means.... Frost: Notice me Onii Chan... Sub Zero: *facepalm* Noob:Uhhh... Im gonna vomit....
Frost might be one of the most bizarre executions of a character I've seen. Her entire goal revolves around how nobody takes her seriously. It borders on being a joke character.
Funny, the best part about Frost's character interactions was when Bi-Han told her off by saying that he wouldn't allow girls in the Lin Kuei when she started fangirling over him.
These Wasted Plotential videos have made me realize something with Mortal Kombats 9 through 11 and why these Wasted Plotential will probably never happen. It seems like despite Mortal Kombat in the past having many characters who really couldn't be put on an aliment chart, like Scorpion and Kenshi fighting not for justice but for themselves, from 9 onwards or possibly even earlier Mortal Kombat has "good guys" and "Bad guys" who can never break from these roles with the exception of Liu Kang and Scorpion. Mileena can't be morally complex or change sides or be friends with Kitana because she's "evil" Frost can't change sides or be a hero because she's "evil" Even Revenant Liu Kang is like this, can't reflect on his actions or how far he's fallen because he's the bad guy and nothing else. It's all so black and white which makes a lot of characters squander their own potential for no real reason. Sorry for ranting in your comment section
I think Frost as she appears in MK11 is a mockery of modern feminists. Think about it: she has blue hair and frequently bitches about how great she is because she's a woman, while putting down other women.
To me this is how I interpreted Frost ngl She was someone who won a small tournament for the Lin Kuei and became Sub-Zero's apprentice She was powerful but lacked the humbleness Sub-Zero had but she was a good guy at first But then during battles and certain parts of the story, she would be pushed aside by everyone else (which can explain most of her absence) and she coulsn't see why she was always tossed to the side as others shine through (spoiler alert, its her ego LMAO, her ego grew from here because she became a close person to Sub Zero) So she started holding a grudge against Sub-Zero and said, fuck it "I will prove myself that I am powerful enough in kombat and I am so powerful I bet I can even overthrow you (Sub Zero) and become the new Grandmaster of the Lin Kuei" That was literally how I saw her LMAO
I don't personally mind Cyberized Frost, from a gameplay perspective it does help separate her from just being "female sub zero". Even cyberized I feel like Frost could have done some interesting things that fleshed out her character more but as it stands Frost seems to be left in the dust in terms of story.
The outworld heritage briefly comes up in one of the intro dialogues between Skarlet and sub zero. Skarlet: your kin descended from outworld Sub: how would you know that? Skarlet: you have the blood of cryomancers
It never occurred to me to have an overlap between Frost and Takeda much like Hanzo and Kuai-Liang had, until you mentioned it. That would be awesome. Wasted Potential.
My theory is that Frost doesn't actually care about the Shirai Ryu feud and is just disguising the pettiness of her actions with tribalism. I have mixed feelings on the idea of making her Sub-Zero's sister. On one had it would make sense and be a nice use of forgotten MK lore. Otoh, I would like if some of the successors weren't related to the old heroes.
I love this soooo much! As someone who is new-ish to MK (the first MK game I ever played was MK vs DC when I was in like elementary) these videos are really informational for me and help me realize that even though Frost from MK11 may be my dream girl her character definitely wasn't done justice. Keep up the awesome work!
Here is my take for Frost: Frost is a secret love child of Shriai Ryu and a Lin Kuei ninjas. Frist gains thr ice powers but isn't skilled with them, jealous of Bi-Han and Kuai Liang. After Quan Chi using thr Shirai Ryu to destroy the Lin Kuei, she gains her hatres for thr Shirai Ryu and wanted revenge on them. Kuai Liang, now the second Sub Zero, wants to save Frost from her rage and redeeme her. That way we can get a Frost/Sub Zero/Scorpion vs Quan Chi and his undead warrior final battle. It shouldn't have been this hard to write Frost.
Yes! Thank you! I have always considered Frost to be this forgotten sister character since a female cryomancer just literally showed up out of nowhere.
Snake: So, Your name's Frost? Frost: I am the greatest of all the Lin Kuei! Snake: Uh huh, and why do you feel this way? Frost: I just am okay?! Snake: Then why the cybernetics? Your Master doesn't have such. Frost: Flesh is for the weak! It only held back my true power! and he's no longer my Master, cur! Snake: And yet you lose, again and again every time. Frost: He just got lucky! eventually I'll surpass him once my true power is unleashed! Snake: Why do you hate the Shirai Ryu? Frost: They are nothing but an obstacle to my plans! Scorpion making peace with Subzero makes things more harder! Snake: It has to be more deeper than that, Frost..... Frost: Silence! It does not matter! they are just my enemy and nothing more! Snake: Why do you hate the other Earth-Realmers? Such as Sonya, Raiden, Cage....you get the point Frost: That one is easy! they never appreciated my greatness! they saw me as a rookie! lesser than them! but they are actually the lesser warriors! now I only view them as my enemy! Snake: So, how do you feel about your Outworld and NetherRealm allies then? Frost: *scoffs* They are only temporary! they are not my true allies! once they stop being useful to me! I'll betray them all and obtain greatness for myself! Snake: So basically.....you don't have any friends....family...you only care for yourself? Do you even value things like honor and the ideals of the Lin Kuei? Frost: Who cares about family and friends?! And I know that I have honor! I just don't feel the need to prove it! And if your talking about Kuai Liang's vision of the Lin Kuei, of course not! His Lin Kuei are weak and pathetic! I made them better in cyber! I'll have a new Lin Kuei that are not held back from following my every order! My clan will be greater than all clans! Now I've grown tired of this topic! Don't make me more pissed off by continuing it! Snake: *groans* Then lets move on to my next question: Why exactly do you hate Kuai Liang? Frost: He held back my true potential! only Kronika had seen it! Snake: That's not precisely true, you betrayed him after he said he was proud of you, that he appreciated having you as his student. Why? Frost: You just answered your question for me! He saw me as a lesser student! I wanted to be the Master! That grand-bastard was acting condescending about it! He never truly appreciated me! Only on the surface level! But he never cared! he just saw me as his inferior! I'll kill him and become the greater grandmaster! Snake: *sighs* Is that really true? Or are you just lying to yourself? just trying to justify the shitty character writing you represent? Frost: You want justification? I'll bring this justification for your insolence! *proceeds to try to kill Snake with her cyber fist* Snake: *Yawns, flicks a finger and she gets blasted back to her universe.* Interview's over. Kuai Liang: *Comes out of the shadows and sighs.* Such wasted potential Snake: Yeah yeah, you said that multiple times now. Kuai Liang: Further proves my point, Fourth Snake.
I mean, wouldn't she at least be aware of their history between the clans or sumn? I mean, the Ryu were basically knockoffs from the Lin Kuei in the beginning so maybe she learned the history of that and thought of them as traitors?
@@The4thSnake yeah true. they should've included a scene or something. maybe she just felt her only possible family was threatened by another inferior clan and it made her, angry??
in a short video Snake made me feel a genuine sympathy and compassion towards a character about which I never thought deeper than "yeah it's that woman with short blue hair from a character select screen". now that is a talent!
Frost should have been that runt that got picked up from the streets and underground fight pits. Her parents abandoned her due to her cryogenic powers, believing she was the spawn of satan or some other dickish reason to abandon their kid. She survived by fighting in the underground areas only living from fight to fight. This has her develop a “me against everyone” mentality when she is taken to the new Lin Kai and thus she inevitably isolates herself. Sub zero notices and takes charge of her teachings, this has them start as a authoritative/ rebel relationship before developing into a teacher/ student then more a brother/sister kind of bond. During MKX sub zero is nearly killed by Shinark and his Revenants, Frost unwilling to lose the only family she has, picks up the dragon Medallion and cryogenically freezes most of the Revenants, severally wounds the rest and leaves a opening for the rest of the gang to kill the fallen elder god but she herself is frozen solid, presumably dead. Sub zero puts her in the Lin Kai temple as a tomb and final resting place until kronika comes around, unfreezes her and tricks her into undergoing cyber upgrades by making her believe that sub zero betrayed her. Edit:Spelling and Format.
Frost's characterization is so bad, that she literally would have been better off as a female Sub-Zero like fans initially thought/worried she would be. An edgy, angsty, brat with no redeeming traits or likeable qualities isn't exactly my cup of team. NOTICE ME OR PAY!!!!! Also, could someone explain why Frost hates Scorpion and the Shirai-Ryu in the new timeline anyway? Given her age, she probably wasn't even Lin Kuei during the time period when the Lin Kuei and the Shirai Ryu were rivals. So what's the reason for the hate? Reasons? Is there some secret temple with inscriptions written by past Grandmasters where they just rant about how much they hate the Shirai-Ryu and she just ate it all up? Edit: Wrote this comment before watching the video. Snake covers the above point.
The 4th snake: can you please focus on the old timeline and stop relying on the movie for references netherrealm Netherrealm: nah fam but we'll straight up add shang tsung from the movie with his catchphrase
I think the new Frost could've worked if they didn't just restart the timeline yet again. They could've perhaps dove into how her cybernetics were affecting her post Kronika. Perhaps maybe she was regretting them as they didn't make her stronger like she thought it would. IDK there's just a lot you could do with that.
Man, RUclipsrs create so much better stories than Netherrealm. They might as well hire RUclipsrs to create the character development for future MK installments, especially now that the timeline has been reset yet again.
Frost wants to be Grandmaster of Lin Kuei. Then destroy the Shiri Ryu. While serving Kronika. Also Scorpian hoping for his family and former Clan restored. At least Scorpian seen sense. I'm guessing they never met at the one place and Kronika kept them apart. She did give a lot of promises to a lot of characters. So.... Yeah....
A lot of people claim that fighting games always have shit story, and some say that they even can't have a good story or interesting characters. Videos like this prove that wrong.
I'd like to think Frost took up this extremist anti-Shiri Ryu mentality as some sort of compensation for her being an outsider. She uses it as an excuse for some sort of natural rage, a feeling of being underestimated and looked down on. She's always had to fight her way through life and hurt them before they hurt her, at least that's what I'd do if I was writing her. Perhaps she could have an unspoken diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder.
Frost is my favorite character in Mortal Kombat & I agree wholeheartedly. I was so hype for her return, but they didn’t do her character any justice. I just hope they do better by her if she’s in any future games
MK11 frost in a nutshell Sub Zero:Its over frost I got the high ground Frost: you underestimate my power Sub Zero:dont try it Frost jumps and gets frozen by Sub Zero Sub Zero: You were the best one, you were trained to save the Lin Kuei not destroy it, You were a daughter to me, I loved you Sub Zero leaves then Kronika with sektor appears gets frost, brings her to base and cyborized her, turned her to Darth Frost Frost asks:What of Kuei Liang Kronika: He still lives Frost:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Nobody:
Frost: YoU alWAYs UnDEreStImatEd mE!!!
Sub-Zero and basically everyone: Since when?
Wolf O' Donnell: I've understimated you, Star Frost!
Obi-wan: Don't do it!
Her inferiority complex is strong.
* Raiden teleports in, flies around, and then shows perfect mastery over his thunder god powers *:
Frost: JeAlOuS oF mY pOwEr?
@@wakkaseta8351 Raiden: I must consult with the Elder Gods to determine my feelings on the matter. Oh wait, no. I hardly see any reason to feel any inadequacy.
....I'll do it anyway.
Frost makes MK9 Mileena seem like a mature, collected adult in comparison.
Mileena has an excuse she was just made
@@John-Stark Can you imagine being alive for maybe 20ish years and act like a baby only to have a 5 year old clone of a princess with shark teeth be more mature.
@@WittingStudios technically u could say she is 0 years old
@@nabilahmed579 Actually, we don’t know how long since Shao has been in control for a millennia and has probably been itching for a better Kitana, but Shang Tsung is just taking his time, perfecting Mileena and giving her magic.
@@WittingStudios oh God I wish for this everyday
All she wants is to be noticed by her senpais
To an extreme amount
7strike Some characters are better for the series as supporting or antagonistic.
Like the one senpai? She literally doesn't know anyone else.
Someone should introduce her to SFV's Kage, those two attention whores were meant for each other.
@@literalliterate She wants the attention of anyone who's better than her. She thirst to be acknowledged as superior
Someone: Breathes
Frost: Is that a personal attack or something?
@Dave Sergio she is just being a feminist lol
as always, the big boys bring politics
Midway created a modern sjw parody without even realizing it.
Zahir Datoo All you can say is just no? Nice retort...
Zahir Datoo Whatever you say mate. And you're not worth my time.
frost just an angry child who was refused a snow cone so she became one
Really? I thought she became a Special Snowflake.
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😎😎😎💙💙💙 OMG- that's FRIGID!!!~ X3
You should have that "Such wasted potential." clip from Subzero play at the end of all of these videos.
I really hated how Sub-Zero got short end of the stick and I can only speak for myself as biased Sub-Zero fan. We see Scorpion and Sub-Zero finally working together and after their chapter they go their separate ways and Hanzo gets killed. We don't even see Kuai Liang mourning that Hanzo is gone and he should have been the one to defeat Frost. Scorpion gets extra chapter, but not Sub-Zero. I know Ed Boon loves Scorpion and D'vorah as a characters, but his favoritism is getting sickening and this is coming from guy who actually likes Scorpion. Also fuck D'vorah for killing Elder Scorpion.
@@teriosshadow17 Scorpion's life was Noob Saibot's to claim.
@@ryanm.8720 But D'vorah(who even cares) took that opportunity away because Netherrealm studios are creaming their pants for this bug.
@@teriosshadow17 I feel like maybe there should have been some type of montage or something but I just wanted one scene at the end where he is at the place where ha so had died or is at his grave and mourning him
*_SUCH WASTED POTENTIAL_*
Noob: I'm the most edgy character in this game.
Frost: Are you sure about that?
*Cena face*
Maybe Frost is actually Noob’s sister. That does give her a good reason to hate scorpions clan
at least noob makes jokes
Eternally Suffering Ehm I has respect for the Shirai Ryu
@Eternally Suffering maybe, but why? Even if she was his sister, she’d have no real reason to hate the Shirai Ryu because she never even knew about the Lin Kuei or would have known anyone in the old Lin Kuei.
Frost: What is my character?
NRS: Jobber
Frost: But i'm a fan favorite and people wanted me back
Noob Saibot: Welcome to the club
Kabal: Yeah, we have Poker Night on Tuesdays
Frost is definitely not a fan favorite most people view her as sub zero with boobs
@@ZatotheFiend funny xdd
@@dadsback69 so fan favorite
Another Dude Ermac: We must have done something terrible to deserve this.
Rain: Oh boo hoo. I've been playable in 3 games. Two of them featuring everyone anyway. And the other as dlc.
Ermac: Who are you again?
Rain: EXACTLY!!
Personally I would have loved if they made frost a good guy. Like maybe in this alternate time line she is disciplined and her story coild be learning to control her violent outbursts.
I totally agree with you.
I guess they just wanted to even the bad guys/good guys amount. But I totally agree with you
Frost is made to have a female sub zero so mKing her male is unlikely. She could have been better than just an angry feminist robot in mk11.
Her periods*
The main thing preventing her from being a good guy is her shortsightedness. She's trying to obtain power she lacks the ability to harness, and doesn't have motivation to use that power for her own causes.
Noob teaching Frost is such a good idea, as a hook.
Even if you end up not working with it.
I see what you did there
Noobs sexist he would never do that
@@doggosho3044
.... he works for Khronica in MK11.
Having him make an offer to help Frost doesn't contradict his character as presented.
In one of his intros, he said something about not wanting women in the Lin Kuei.
@@myeeeeeh"I would not allow female Lin Kuei."
You know what? I hate your videos. You make me desperately want to see all of this in games, only to realize that Netherrealm probably will never treat characters as they deserve and never realize their plotentials.
But I also love your videos, because you give me a glipse of what could've happen with these characters with proper care. At least it's better than nothing. I really want to see Frost on a good side, as well as Mileena. MK universe has enough villains already. Hell, even Baraka and Sheeva were good guys in the end… right until that time reset.
Hate NRS for being lame and lazy.
Not all characters can be main characters. I don't know about The4thSnake's other videos, but the work NRS did from 10 to 11 to make Frost a viable player character was brilliant. She makes Sub-Zero more interesting.
Mk has had enough of original trilogy characters and guest characters
@@seido1160 might as well add 3D characters as NPC's or something
@@guy_with_no_name7317 I would replace guest characters with them
So Frost is just notice me senpai taken to the absolute maximum with an inferiority complex and inconsistent characterization that makes no sense?
Yeah, basically
It's a re-imagining in order to make her a viable player character.
@@devilmayclarify666 and what a shitty re-imagining
Even if she is a villain, could not they just make her more than just a notice me senpai meme
It's hilarious how poorly MK11 handled every character in its roster. Even big names like Scorpion, Sub-Zero, and Shao Kahn were treated as disposable
They are disposable it’s like a dc dark war situation where they just killed people just to kill them off before the reset
I think Frost's backstory is quite implied by how she appears in the comics. It only takes some decent writing to flesh it out a bit more.
We find her fighting in an underground death match ring that we later learn is controlled by Kano's Black Dragon! That, plus her comments about killing her parents and being a Cryomancer descendant, imply a really dysfunctional and violent childhood. Imagine an X-Men Villain Meets Black Lagoon's Hansel and Gretel, or that Jet Li movie where he is raised as an kung-fu attack dog by a mobster.
That by itself would explain her entire personality. She's a tykebomb who was made to kill for the amusement of others. She has obvious inferiority-superiority complex born of trauma and abuse, so she desperately wants to be number one and for other people to admit it. Sub-Zero does his best to mentor her, but she obviously has authority issues given her childhood. Plus, Sub-Zero is a good guy, but he's also leader of an assassin clan who was raised by said clan. Not the best mentor or place for someone who was abused and made to kill her whole life. She's very much a deconstruction of Batman's Robin sidekicks, very close to Jason Todd/Red Hood in personality, and a much darker, traumatized version of Anakin Skywalker, Sasuke Uchiha or Elsa. Simply put, she needed some heavy and long therapy, not combat/assassin training.
If she were part of the New Generation, she'd definitely be the Token Psycho Teammate loose cannon. She wouldn't respect or like either Cassie (for beating her in the death match) or Jacqui, would butt heads constantly with Kung Jin (they're both jerks, after all) and would likely develop clan rivalry with Takeda because she wants to be the superior of the group. I doubt team-building would redeem or mellow her out to Cassie or Jacqui, given their highly different upbringings (Cassie and Jacqui had mostly-functional and loving families), and even if she knew about Takeda's losing his mother or Kung Jin's family rejecting his homossexuality, she wouldn't want to be vulnerable by displaying sympathy or sharing her story.
That need for power and recognition would even explain her becoming Cyber Lin Kuei/Tekunin, though not her hatred for the Shirai Ryu. The Red and Black Dragons both use cybernetics to enhance themselves, so Frost obviously doesn't care that cyberization may cost her soul. Someone with her harsh upbringing would obviously be confrontational and look down on peace and diplocacy, but she wouldn't have any major grudge against Scorpion and the Shirai Ryu (unless they wanted to create a "Shirai Ryu weren't such good guys" plot, like her parents being of the clan, or the Shirai Ryu having worked with the Red/Black Dragons).
It might also explain her hatred towards Raiden. Someone like Frost learning about the Gods is going to have a well-justified syndrome of Kratos-style misotheism. After all, where was Raiden and the Elder Gods when she was being abused by her parents or made into a bloodhound by the Black Dragons? Same goes for Sonya Blade, who's military and in charge of hunting the Black Dragon; she essentially blames Sonya (and any goverment, police, any law-enforcing organization and individuals really) for not saving her from her parents/the Black Dragon. She'd display the same amount of resentment towards Jax and the rest of Special Forces, Stryker, the White Lotus or any "hero group" who she considers to have failed her.
I don't think Frost's age would allow for her to be Sub-Zero's sister (both versions look old enough to be her father). She COULD be his niece, possibly, or a very distant relative. Overall, I think Frost really works best as a Tragic Villain type, which I wish Netherealm would explore better.
I like that ideal,NRS needs to find your comment and hire you to have written frost character better.
@@jermaineboyd6594
Aw, chucks! XD Thanks for the compliment, pal! Honestly, I don't know WHAT's with entertainment industry nowadays. They're ruining all the good franchises and characters...
@@fightingmedialounge519
For what, exactly? I wrote a long text with lots of focus points, you're gonha have to be specific.
@@fightingmedialounge519
She's obviously someone with issues, but the games just communicate her arrogance and psychosis and don't bother giving any clear context to her and her actions. I extrapolated and deduced her background and motivations, but the writers couldn't be bothered with actually making her more complex.
The main issue is that they quite obviously lost focus of the very lore they're working with. Like making Sindel a dominatrix backstabbing tyrant. The best thing about Classic Sindel is that she LOOKS evil and sinister, but is actually benevolent and nice. And this seems to have become endemic across movie and game industry.
@@fightingmedialounge519
Well, if you don't read the comics or pay attention to her intro lines (or follow her cahracter since the classic games), she mostly just comes across "psycho delinquent Anakin expy". Which itself is gross simplification, reductionism and banalization of Anakin Skywalker's entire character and what creates Fallen Heroes and Tragic Villains in general.
Oh my god, despite I'm a Frost fan I agree 100% that NRS should have improved her story. I feel like her hating on Sub-Zero just because she ignored to make her 1-dimensional character. There was room to show why she's like that, what motivated her, and how she can be improved.
Plus I do think the MK11 story doesn't do a good job on showcasing Frost despite being the only character to be unlocked in the story mode.
Although, I would hope that she has a story of her own in the next Mortal Kombat series.
She could've become an inspiration to others.
NRS: We are finally going to do what we set out to do after Armageddon and make a new generation of fighters to follow in the footsteps of the older characters. We have Cassie, daughter of Sonya and Johnny, Jacquie, daughter of Jax, Tekada, protege of Scorpion and son of Kenshi and Kung-Jin, cousin to Kung-Lao.
Fans: And Frost, the already established protege of Sub-Zero?
NRS: Who? Oh uh...yeah, uh she'll have a cameo in the comics and X.
Fans: But...isn't she newer generation like you wanted to do?
NRS: Er...well she's not new...she's 3d era and we aren't fond of that even though it is an era where a lot of our fans came from who came to appreciate our story telling.
Fans: Well...will you do something with her in the next game at least?
NRS: Yeah uh... *checks her wiki* We know the perfect story for her.... *rehashes her old storyline again*
Fans: what about Kai!
NRS: Who?
Me: give hsu hao a second chance
Nrs: No
Hell yeah
Fans : what happened to Tremor , Rain , Ermac , Aqua , Khrome , Reptile , Chamaleom and Smoke ? :(
NRS : We'got rid of them , they were old and lame
@@stefy7234 Rain holds water blade:say that again
FUN FACT: Frost's hair is a reference to the hairstyle "Frost Tips"
Frost is just an angry lame robot lady in mk11
On top of that she has that “I want to speak with your manager” haircut
@@raiguy9424 hello can I speak to your grandmaster?
And was just titty sub-zero in the past so yeah, I don't get whats so great about her
@Raijin
Someone on the NetherRealm team seems to _really_ like pixie cuts. Frost _and_ Skarlet have them.
Bacxaber Now that you mention it,I can imagine Skarlet demanding to see the manager at a blood bank
I unironically love that Frost is so desperate for approval but believes power is the only way to get it, it makes her such a massive fuck up - and I mean that in the best way possible. There's a ton of male fuck up villains in media but almost no female ones, so her trying so hard to be a conniving backstabber but being out-maneuvered by literally every one is so endearing to me
I miss Human Frost so much :(
me too :(
You can see human frost as a kameo fighter in Mortal Kombat 1.
Thank you. Netherealms truly took the most boring ass route with her character.
In all fairness, when has she ever interesting?
@@patrickpugh7495 With these cinematic story modes, there are chances to breath new life into these characters, just because she wasn't ever interesting, doesn't mean she can't be made as such. This video is proof.
@@fiendwithoutaface6833 not denying she can't be interesting. She can be. It's just I see so many comments constantly complaining on how they "ruined frosts character" and every time I hear this I just think "what character? She's always just been sub-zero just ironically more hot headed." Again I'm not dissing on the idea of making her interesting. It's just I'm sick and tired of people acting like her character is completely ruined.
@@patrickpugh7495 I never said NRS ruined her character.
@@fiendwithoutaface6833 I know I just see a lot people complaining they did is all.
I remember making a version of Frost who grew up in a dysfunctional and distnat family that she ran away from, having been unable to mature herself as a person or have the nurturing and parental figure that we need in our life Olivia (her real name) mainly acted almost entirely on impulse due to her inability to connect with others due to the cruelty, loneliness and loss she suffered during childhood.
This is also what causes her downfall as when Olivia does join the Lin Kuei with open wounds and being unable to give herself needed closure and due to this impulsive recklessness her cryomancy is either weaker than Sub-Zero's or more unstable when she focuses all of her energy into it and even in the story accidentally harms friends. Another factor in this is her relationship with Sub-Zero, in him she sees everything she wants to be and what she wants from someone but is too scared to let herself be vulnerable to have. Olivia wants to be strong disaplined and powerful but most importantly she wants to connect to Sub-Zero as a stable parental figure that she never had.
Sorry for the tangent but she was really fun to write.
Agree that it's a waste to not have Triborg be a part of MK 11 at all
He could have justified a second Cyrax fight if they didn't want him to be playable
Unless triborg is a dlc exclusive character
Can they still use him because Triborg was originally an MK M.U.G.E.N character (which have better rosters then the current MK games BTW)
NRS has put themselves in a weird spot, haven't they? There's the "No unplayable NPCs" promise, meaning the cyborgs/Triborg should've been playable, but then with the whole"DLC will not be repeated" thing, the cyborgs/Triborg can't be added in at this point.
@@wakkaseta8351 yeah seriously NRS played themselves big time on that from it's a shame that characters such as Rain, Triborg , Tremor etc can't come back through DLC again if they aren't on the roster beforehand
She dislikes ninjas because it took her 50 hours to beat Ninja Gaiden in one sitting that’s why
Why does Ninja Gaiden ring a bell for me? Can you explain what it is?
@@carlosuzaier5858 Does the name Ryu Hayabusa ring any bells?
Carlos Uzaier Angry Video Game Nerd?
@@carlosuzaier5858 homing birds
@@carlosuzaier5858 old NES game. It's REALLY hard! Check out avgn's video about it to know more
0:40 you're right, no reason was ever given, but as I mentioned in some other comments I'm writing a complete story for the franchise trying to reconcile every single plot hole into one cohesive story.
So my version of the story is that before joining the Lin Kuei Frost used to fight in underground brawls, as shown in the MKX comic, although in the original timeline Cassie didn't exist, so Frost would remain undefeated in the underground tournament. Because of partaking in illegal battles she would always found herself fighting law enforcers, so she'd have a specific encounter with Sonya during that time, maybe Sonya would even kill a friend of Frost in a battle or something like that. Anyway that Konquest line you show can be interpreted as Sonya having been defeated by Frost in the past, since it says she has a score to settle, and that their first encounter was unpleasant, which doesn't necessarily mean that THIS is their first encounter.
Frost : What is my purpose?
NRS : You get beat up a lot
Frost :..... Oh my Gods
Noob : Yeah well join the club
Personally, I would have loved it if Takeda were in the game and Frost would have a small rivalry that ends in friendship after Sub-Zero and Scorpion talk her down. Just imagine the banter between the two.
Frost: "Scorpion doesn't take me seriously."
Takeda: "You should be trying to get Sub-Zero to acknowledge you."
Can we get a Fujin Wasted Potential?
He's on the list.
He was TERRIBLY wasted.
RESPECT FUJIN!
Hopefully, he'll have more of a role than what he had in MKX and the MKX comics.
FUJIN? Not that blowhard!
A pretty bad thought people have is that, just because they changed a character's playstyle or role in the story in comparison with the old timeline, they automatically assume the character is now "good", despite the entire opposite being the case, Frost is a character that went out not with a bang, but with a whimper, a character that wants attention from her masters can be done really well and can set up for a pretty good character arc
A character that was rejected for her actions, could lead her to try and patch things up with her master and clan while realizing how wrong she was, and accept any kind of advice in a good way as a way to shape her up into an even better warrior and master, hell, if this was the case, Kuai-Liang could've died in the story, and both him and Frost could have a moment that will shake her to her core, turning her into a worthy successor of the Lin-Kuei... but no, "Daddy Kuai-Liang didn't approve of my rash actions so now i'll work with the bad guy, i'm pretty sure they'll know my worth even though I've NEVER met them before and wanting the approval of a complete stranger is all kinds of stupid"
It's sad, because, there are characters from the 3D era that i think, would be difficult to make good or interesting, i would be all up on board for Hsu-Hao or even Mavado to return for a second attempt to impress the fans, but given their reputation i still believe it would be incredibly difficult to pull it off... but Frost was one of the EASIEST characters to do this with, she was one of the most popular 3D era characters, but now she's just Cyber-Jobber with actions that make no sense whatsoever, i actually think she's a worse character than before due to how much potential was lost with her
Bo' Rai Cho / Wasted Potential (Ft. mrgstar321)
I miss mrgstar
@@adammetoyer439 he must awaken from his deep slumber. I get the impression he is building up to the game, he practices before he plays.
This character is a FUCKING DISCRACE OK!
You know his name means, "drunk" in Spanish, right?
@@MSGSlayer1 I know, and it's actually the most cleverest name in the franchise.
Really dislike the fact that she's now a android. They either should have given her more depth surrounding her rivalry with Sub-Zero or let her redeem herself by learning self-control and humility.
Maybe one day we will get devs who actually love and know the MK lore and make a good game
It always weirds me out performing fatalities on her and seeing she has innards like a normal human.
Tissan Young me as well, her blood should at least be darker
arent androids just robots that look like humans
@@ShiftyGuy777 yes but these are cyborgs.
Frost should've been renamed to karen in mk11. She is prime karen material. The hairstyle, the lack of good motives, so on.
I mean honestly...
Karen the Douchebag.
I love the new Frost. I love the way they remade her concept and design, instead of just being female Sub-Zero. Too bad her personality and plot involvement didn’t go very far
I do like her new hairstyle. Having it just spikey isn't how women's hairstyle really is these days.
Again a fan of a series does a better job then the creators and the so call professionals writers
I'll say 😒
I liked that you mentioned the forgotten sister in the end. In my mind Frost was that sister and she wanted to be on equal footing with Sub Zero so she can protect him and they can be a family again. That’s why she wanted to learn fast but was too inexperienced with her powers that the medallion refused her. It would of been awesome if they went that route imagine her dialogue with Noob her other brother now turned wraith.
It's ironic that a cryomancer, amateur or not gets frozen so many times.
Frost is like the little sibling that wants to be on top of all slibings, honestly litterally frost is going through a phase,
Me: Doesn't listen for one second
Frost: YOU ALWAYS IGNORED ME
Oh, her? Yeah, roast away that totally could be an Orange Lantern.
Edit: Really would've liked this Frost, and she sounds a heck of a lot better than that egotistical, power-hungry Tsundere.
I think you mean tsundere*
@@zyco9188 Given that I just read up on it, that seems more fitting.
thetropicalace yanderes are just psychos
Sub Zero: *breathes*
Frost: *You're not supposed to be doing that*
What is Frost going to do if someone acknowledges her? Does she just have an aneurysm?
She'll probably try to find some way to be angry again.
How many stereotypes did Nether realms put in their games?
I’m gonna go ahead and say about half of the roster
Darth Vader: Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?
I love how frost betrays sub zero nearly every game in the old universe and he STILL forgives her each and every time.
Now she exists solely to remind you the old games existed.
I love your interpretation of Frost more than the cannon one.
"Give her an ounce of personality beyond is a dick" 😆
i was eating ice cream while you posted this
Nice. Cream. Nicecream.
Cool
Was it chilly?
Brings a chill in me
Awesome work as always. These dev teams should definitely hire or consult you for writing their story arcs. I really liked your take on Jill's story and how it should have continued beyond RE5. And your take on Frost's story arc is way better than the original. I really like the idea of Frost struggling to control her powers & Raiden's visions helping her out via Sub-zero's proper training, and eventually becoming Sub-zero's trusted disciple without any of the inferiority complex and bad-temperament. Your take on character stories, the once which I have watched so far, have all been great. I swear this channel is sooo....underrated. Keep on doing what you do best.
Man I need this guy to write the next MK... And all the MKs after that.
What you said at the end (about Frost being the third sibling) is direction that i wanted to see. Not only would it enhance dynamic between her and Sub Zero, but would also make her fall to the dark side even more impactful. So, at the end, you will have this scenario: one sibling is evil because of corruption, second one is evil because of spite and jealousy, and you also have the third one who is desperately trying to bring them back to normal. This situation could also make SF have some distrust towards Sub Zero, but also have Scorpion/Hanzo be the only one who trusts him (since he is the one who has been in the same place), therefore making their friendship even stronger.
They could also have Noob come to Lin Kuei temple in order to take his sister, who is now a cyborg, with him and have them become this timelines Noob/Smoke. And then fight between 4 warriors would have been far more impactful. Sub and Hanzo could save Frost and re-program her (kinda like what Jax did to Sub in MK9), while also having Sub know that darkness inside Frost would not disappear with her cybernetics, therefore making her even more tragic than she already was. And, also, Noob could suddenly recover and murder Hanzo (as they should have done). Finally, Sub will tell Frost that they could save Bi-Han only if they work together. This would not resolve conflict between them, but rather temporarily postpone it. Now, whether they succeed or not... It probably doesn't matter since Kronika erased everything.
I hope that you will soon release WP on Kronika, her minions, Kollector, Sektor and other characters that have been misused or haven't been used to their true potential.
After the Lin Kuei Saga and Shao Kahn, there is the MK11 set.
Oh man, if Frost is Sub Zero's and Noob's little sister that means....
Frost: Notice me Onii Chan...
Sub Zero: *facepalm*
Noob:Uhhh... Im gonna vomit....
Frost might be one of the most bizarre executions of a character I've seen. Her entire goal revolves around how nobody takes her seriously. It borders on being a joke character.
Wasn't that Jarek's motive in Armageddon?
@@The4thSnake I legitimately forgot that Jarek had a goal in Armageddon.
@@nono9543 It was only given in his online bio, so I don't blame you.
Funny, the best part about Frost's character interactions was when Bi-Han told her off by saying that he wouldn't allow girls in the Lin Kuei when she started fangirling over him.
These Wasted Plotential videos have made me realize something with Mortal Kombats 9 through 11 and why these Wasted Plotential will probably never happen. It seems like despite Mortal Kombat in the past having many characters who really couldn't be put on an aliment chart, like Scorpion and Kenshi fighting not for justice but for themselves, from 9 onwards or possibly even earlier Mortal Kombat has "good guys" and "Bad guys" who can never break from these roles with the exception of Liu Kang and Scorpion. Mileena can't be morally complex or change sides or be friends with Kitana because she's "evil" Frost can't change sides or be a hero because she's "evil" Even Revenant Liu Kang is like this, can't reflect on his actions or how far he's fallen because he's the bad guy and nothing else. It's all so black and white which makes a lot of characters squander their own potential for no real reason.
Sorry for ranting in your comment section
But, you're right.
I think Frost as she appears in MK11 is a mockery of modern feminists. Think about it: she has blue hair and frequently bitches about how great she is because she's a woman, while putting down other women.
To me this is how I interpreted Frost ngl
She was someone who won a small tournament for the Lin Kuei and became Sub-Zero's apprentice
She was powerful but lacked the humbleness Sub-Zero had but she was a good guy at first
But then during battles and certain parts of the story, she would be pushed aside by everyone else (which can explain most of her absence) and she coulsn't see why she was always tossed to the side as others shine through (spoiler alert, its her ego LMAO, her ego grew from here because she became a close person to Sub Zero)
So she started holding a grudge against Sub-Zero and said, fuck it "I will prove myself that I am powerful enough in kombat and I am so powerful I bet I can even overthrow you (Sub Zero) and become the new Grandmaster of the Lin Kuei"
That was literally how I saw her LMAO
It would be funny if in MK12 Ed Boon watches your Wasted potential videos and gets a writer that follows your suggestions.
If only...
Frost is really a wasted potential in MK10-11. She looks cool in deadly alliance tho.
I don't personally mind Cyberized Frost, from a gameplay perspective it does help separate her from just being "female sub zero". Even cyberized I feel like Frost could have done some interesting things that fleshed out her character more but as it stands Frost seems to be left in the dust in terms of story.
The outworld heritage briefly comes up in one of the intro dialogues between Skarlet and sub zero.
Skarlet: your kin descended from outworld
Sub: how would you know that?
Skarlet: you have the blood of cryomancers
Ah.
It comes up with jade and most the outworld females.
@@The4thSnake Kotal Kahn as well
Such a wasted potential- master blue berry ice
I thought this was gonna be 10 minutes of subzero saying “Such wasted potential”
It never occurred to me to have an overlap between Frost and Takeda much like Hanzo and Kuai-Liang had, until you mentioned it. That would be awesome. Wasted Potential.
I love frost but I agree she needs more development
Frost is like that one edgy guy in d&d group that doesn't have backstory whatsoever and just does random shit the entire session
Another character with a rediculous amount of wasted potential: Cetrion.
*ridiculous
I never really thought about frost much. I usually hear that shes a mega brat and so I nrver looked into her. But you do make points
I think the writers just saw Guardians of the Galaxy and wanted to make their own Nebula and just turned Frost into that archetype.
My theory is that Frost doesn't actually care about the Shirai Ryu feud and is just disguising the pettiness of her actions with tribalism.
I have mixed feelings on the idea of making her Sub-Zero's sister. On one had it would make sense and be a nice use of forgotten MK lore. Otoh, I would like if some of the successors weren't related to the old heroes.
I love this soooo much! As someone who is new-ish to MK (the first MK game I ever played was MK vs DC when I was in like elementary) these videos are really informational for me and help me realize that even though Frost from MK11 may be my dream girl her character definitely wasn't done justice. Keep up the awesome work!
Here is my take for Frost:
Frost is a secret love child of Shriai Ryu and a Lin Kuei ninjas. Frist gains thr ice powers but isn't skilled with them, jealous of Bi-Han and Kuai Liang.
After Quan Chi using thr Shirai Ryu to destroy the Lin Kuei, she gains her hatres for thr Shirai Ryu and wanted revenge on them. Kuai Liang, now the second Sub Zero, wants to save Frost from her rage and redeeme her. That way we can get a Frost/Sub Zero/Scorpion vs Quan Chi and his undead warrior final battle.
It shouldn't have been this hard to write Frost.
Gotta love how 1 dude can write a better story than the entire nether realm team
They just wanted to make an MK version of Alisa Bosconovitch.
They did a terrible job at it!
@@Prince-Shogun As usual.
She a Pathetic excuse for a Discount Alissa Bosconovitch and a total BITCH!
Sub Zero: Frost! Kronika is evil!
Frost: In my point of view, the Shrai Ryu are evil!
Sub Zero: Well you are lost!
Why don't you find a way to enter the writing room as a worker in netherelm?
They do mention that cryomancers come from outworld in the current game, specifically Jade and Kotal kahn in intros to subzero
Skarlet mentioned it.
Yes! Thank you! I have always considered Frost to be this forgotten sister character since a female cryomancer just literally showed up out of nowhere.
Showing footage of Miller Frost during a Frost video...works perfectly.
I died from laughter at "I need more power"
IT SHOULDNT FIT SO WELL DAMN YOU XD
The4thSnake making Mortal Kombat's story better with every video along the way.
With bi han as sub zero again it would be cool to see frost being trained by him instead of kuai liang.
Frost seems like she’d be better off as a hero as a hero Then a villain
Snake: So, Your name's Frost?
Frost: I am the greatest of all the Lin Kuei!
Snake: Uh huh, and why do you feel this way?
Frost: I just am okay?!
Snake: Then why the cybernetics? Your Master doesn't have such.
Frost: Flesh is for the weak! It only held back my true power! and he's no longer my Master, cur!
Snake: And yet you lose, again and again every time.
Frost: He just got lucky! eventually I'll surpass him once my true power is unleashed!
Snake: Why do you hate the Shirai Ryu?
Frost: They are nothing but an obstacle to my plans! Scorpion making peace with Subzero makes things more harder!
Snake: It has to be more deeper than that, Frost.....
Frost: Silence! It does not matter! they are just my enemy and nothing more!
Snake: Why do you hate the other Earth-Realmers? Such as Sonya, Raiden, Cage....you get the point
Frost: That one is easy! they never appreciated my greatness! they saw me as a rookie! lesser than them! but they are actually the lesser warriors! now I only view them as my enemy!
Snake: So, how do you feel about your Outworld and NetherRealm allies then?
Frost: *scoffs* They are only temporary! they are not my true allies! once they stop being useful to me! I'll betray them all and obtain greatness for myself!
Snake: So basically.....you don't have any friends....family...you only care for yourself? Do you even value things like honor and the ideals of the Lin Kuei?
Frost: Who cares about family and friends?! And I know that I have honor! I just don't feel the need to prove it! And if your talking about Kuai Liang's vision of the Lin Kuei, of course not! His Lin Kuei are weak and pathetic! I made them better in cyber! I'll have a new Lin Kuei that are not held back from following my every order! My clan will be greater than all clans! Now I've grown tired of this topic! Don't make me more pissed off by continuing it!
Snake: *groans* Then lets move on to my next question: Why exactly do you hate Kuai Liang?
Frost: He held back my true potential! only Kronika had seen it!
Snake: That's not precisely true, you betrayed him after he said he was proud of you, that he appreciated having you as his student. Why?
Frost: You just answered your question for me! He saw me as a lesser student! I wanted to be the Master! That grand-bastard was acting condescending about it! He never truly appreciated me! Only on the surface level! But he never cared! he just saw me as his inferior! I'll kill him and become the greater grandmaster!
Snake: *sighs* Is that really true? Or are you just lying to yourself? just trying to justify the shitty character writing you represent?
Frost: You want justification? I'll bring this justification for your insolence! *proceeds to try to kill Snake with her cyber fist*
Snake: *Yawns, flicks a finger and she gets blasted back to her universe.* Interview's over.
Kuai Liang: *Comes out of the shadows and sighs.* Such wasted potential
Snake: Yeah yeah, you said that multiple times now.
Kuai Liang: Further proves my point, Fourth Snake.
I read the whole thing and I love it!
@@gerrymcwilliam thank you!
I mean, wouldn't she at least be aware of their history between the clans or sumn? I mean, the Ryu were basically knockoffs from the Lin Kuei in the beginning so maybe she learned the history of that and thought of them as traitors?
Well maybe they could have included that into her characterisation
Why would she care though? It's like those people who hold modern Germans accountable for WWII. You weren't even there, mate! It's over!
@@The4thSnake yeah true. they should've included a scene or something. maybe she just felt her only possible family was threatened by another inferior clan and it made her, angry??
in a short video Snake made me feel a genuine sympathy and compassion towards a character about which I never thought deeper than "yeah it's that woman with short blue hair from a character select screen". now that is a talent!
Frost should have been that runt that got picked up from the streets and underground fight pits. Her parents abandoned her due to her cryogenic powers, believing she was the spawn of satan or some other dickish reason to abandon their kid. She survived by fighting in the underground areas only living from fight to fight.
This has her develop a “me against everyone” mentality when she is taken to the new Lin Kai and thus she inevitably isolates herself. Sub zero notices and takes charge of her teachings, this has them start as a authoritative/ rebel relationship before developing into a teacher/ student then more a brother/sister kind of bond.
During MKX sub zero is nearly killed by Shinark and his Revenants, Frost unwilling to lose the only family she has, picks up the dragon Medallion and cryogenically freezes most of the Revenants, severally wounds the rest and leaves a opening for the rest of the gang to kill the fallen elder god but she herself is frozen solid, presumably dead. Sub zero puts her in the Lin Kai temple as a tomb and final resting place until kronika comes around, unfreezes her and tricks her into undergoing cyber upgrades by making her believe that sub zero betrayed her.
Edit:Spelling and Format.
Frost's characterization is so bad, that she literally would have been better off as a female Sub-Zero like fans initially thought/worried she would be.
An edgy, angsty, brat with no redeeming traits or likeable qualities isn't exactly my cup of team.
NOTICE ME OR PAY!!!!!
Also, could someone explain why Frost hates Scorpion and the Shirai-Ryu in the new timeline anyway? Given her age, she probably wasn't even Lin Kuei during the time period when the Lin Kuei and the Shirai Ryu were rivals. So what's the reason for the hate? Reasons? Is there some secret temple with inscriptions written by past Grandmasters where they just rant about how much they hate the Shirai-Ryu and she just ate it all up?
Edit: Wrote this comment before watching the video. Snake covers the above point.
Frost was hella T H I C C
The 4th snake: can you please focus on the old timeline and stop relying on the movie for references netherrealm
Netherrealm: nah fam but we'll straight up add shang tsung from the movie with his catchphrase
The awkward moment when a youtubers fan fiction version of a character out does the canon.
Yeah. SAO Abridged lol
Fantastic wasted potential video as always yet again you never sees to amaze me mr 4th snake 👏🏽❤️👏🏽
Thank you.
I think the new Frost could've worked if they didn't just restart the timeline yet again. They could've perhaps dove into how her cybernetics were affecting her post Kronika. Perhaps maybe she was regretting them as they didn't make her stronger like she thought it would. IDK there's just a lot you could do with that.
Man, RUclipsrs create so much better stories than Netherrealm. They might as well hire RUclipsrs to create the character development for future MK installments, especially now that the timeline has been reset yet again.
Frost wants to be Grandmaster of Lin Kuei. Then destroy the Shiri Ryu. While serving Kronika. Also Scorpian hoping for his family and former Clan restored. At least Scorpian seen sense. I'm guessing they never met at the one place and Kronika kept them apart. She did give a lot of promises to a lot of characters. So.... Yeah....
So, in short:
Frost in the original timeline is just a gender swapped DMC3 Vergil.
And in the new one she's really confusing.
A lot of people claim that fighting games always have shit story, and some say that they even can't have a good story or interesting characters. Videos like this prove that wrong.
I'd like to think Frost took up this extremist anti-Shiri Ryu mentality as some sort of compensation for her being an outsider. She uses it as an excuse for some sort of natural rage, a feeling of being underestimated and looked down on. She's always had to fight her way through life and hurt them before they hurt her, at least that's what I'd do if I was writing her. Perhaps she could have an unspoken diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder.
This would have been so much fun.
I imagine it being Frost who freezes Ferra/Torr and the others with ice blasts to showcase her new skills.
Frost is my favorite character in Mortal Kombat & I agree wholeheartedly. I was so hype for her return, but they didn’t do her character any justice. I just hope they do better by her if she’s in any future games
MK11 frost in a nutshell
Sub Zero:Its over frost I got the high ground
Frost: you underestimate my power
Sub Zero:dont try it
Frost jumps and gets frozen by Sub Zero
Sub Zero: You were the best one, you were trained to save the Lin Kuei not destroy it, You were a daughter to me, I loved you
Sub Zero leaves then Kronika with sektor appears gets frost, brings her to base and cyborized her, turned her to Darth Frost
Frost asks:What of Kuei Liang
Kronika: He still lives
Frost:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Pretty much sums up her character...and a good possible explanation on why she's a cyborg now.
@@mkdemigodzillawarrior like 4th snake said she's Anakin Bloody Skywalker all that's missing is her killing kid Lin Kueis