I wouldn’t go so far as to say what Marler did was “reprehensible”. But I also wouldn’t describe it as particularly funny. Maybe if he’d done it knowing that he was going to get lamped by AWJ would have been funnier, but knowing that in all likelihood AWJ is far too experienced a pro to react, or if if he does react he’s getting sent off, it’s a pretty low thing to do. I thought it was mildly amusing, but seeing how annoyed AWJ was at the presser gave me a different view on it.
@@harderthantherock He didnt seem that annoyed on the pitch Marler spent 3 seconds fumbling to find it then at least another 2 fondling it and Jones stood there the all time and let him
Its the cultural revolution.. 2020 style. Self-criticism: "I thought that what I thought was okay but now.. now I realise that it was wrong think" Everybody is too scared of being 'found' wrong and then shamed.
In the same way jones did multiple things to get English players to react To sit in a press conference and winge just goes to show how pathetic Jones is
That was clearly a reference to the team and coach. Dodson and the SRU executives are despised in Scotland generally, and we’re as critical as anyone else regarding the SRU’s conduct in the RWC.
californian condor I disagree. Hamilton and others like him just love to fight and throw punches for any perceived slight. There’s a difference between clumsy and even unintentionally dangerous tackles and the thuggery of Hamilton.
What JM did was inciting AWJ to punch him and collect a red card. This was a manipulation rather than a challenge. Authorities should stomp this one pretty firmly.
I think joe is setting himself up for when he gives up in the next few years. Every guy playing rugby has a long haul to full retirement after finishing around mid 30s and need to make money, he’s being very smart.
David Flatman has made a successful, and I suspect lucrative, transition from player to pundit & after dinner speaker. I believe Marler thinks he is both a better player and funnier person than Flatman and has been making strides in recent years to create a second career for himself. He's now going straight to DVD.
I think Eddie is pretty much at the end of his tether with the English sporting press and that led to his outburst. Separately, refs need to sort out backchat and sending teams back 10. Both Farrell and Biggar could do with a yellow for gobbing off.
The press are getting boring tbh. Asking the same generic, ready-made questions week in week out; "How did X situation make you feel?", "Do you think there's room for improvement?". It's just getting tedious. They're trying to ask hard hitting questions, but at the end of the day they're interviewing sports personalities, not the General's staff in Helmand province.
So NO comments about Tuilagi head injury and what caused it or Liam Williams entering from the side of the ruck and picking up and tipping Tom Curry head first into the ground (in front of the Referee's assistant). No. The big story is someone touching someone inappropriately and an English player, in full flight, taking out a falling player (who jumped up, and rejoined the field of play). A bit too many pearls being clutched in fake horror.
Just so you know... flying into a tackle leading with the shoulder is illegal on any part of the body and will result in at least a yellow card .. but once there's contact with the head regardless of North going lower there are no mitigating circumstances and results in a straight red .. the bottom dollar here is that there's players out there who have been guilty of dangerous tackles leading with the shoulder at club and international level many times .. tuilagi is one of those players .. 114 kilos at full tilt then diving flying through the air leading with the shoulder arm at his side like a torpedo and if connected cleanly with norths head would have not just knocked him out but could have seriously damaged him ending norths career or even worse .. there's a reason the irb are attempting to rid the game of such stupid so called tackles.... it's called player safety ..
@@isitwasit8756 I am of the opinion that player safety is the top priority. No problem with the rules. My issue is that the referee spent a very long time looking at the 'tackle' before he made a decision. If it was so obvious that the intention was to injure the player or end his career it should be a straight red. If it takes several reviews (with the crowd shouting and booing louder with every review) it will be open to debate. P. S. I have a Son who is still playing despite the fact he broke his back. Player safety is paramount. Cheers!
@@emmastephenson9763 like I said earlier tuilagi is known for his head high shoulder charge tackling .. he does it at club and international level and the day these cowards finally get the message the better for player safety.. the ref was delaying because of reviewing contact to the head .. at the least tuilagi was going to get a yellow because of flying into a tackle leading with the shoulder.. the red was because there fortunately was on slight contact to norths head .. if you just take your English googles off for a moment and imagine the horrendous damage to north if tuilagi shoulder had made full contact with norths head .. I dread to think the damage that would have caused .. I also have 2 son's who play rugby and have played the game myself for many years. And I long for the day when the penny drops that these dangerous cheap shot tackles are no longer tolerated and eradicated from the game.. this isn't the first time tuilagi has been sent off or yellow carded for dangerous tackles he's got a long history of this and one day some player will end up brain damaged because of his cowardly head high tackling technique..
@@isitwasit8756 Agree with all that you say. I just find myself bewildered by the fact the pundits are concerned about that one incident. If Tom Curry had hit the ground at the wrong angle then he could be in wheel chair for the rest of his life. Where is the outrage from everyone about that? Again, I ask - what about the initial head injury to Tuilagi? If the authority's are really serious about preventing damage caused to players they need to be a bit more on the ball with everyone.
@@emmastephenson9763 you're right every incident that's dangerous should be looked at and punished . I remember a few yrs ago Wales v s.africa Liam Williams did the same as a boks player was about to score in the corner and Williams came flying in with a shoulder charge hitting the player in the ribs knocking him into touch .. initially I thought great tackle but when the tmo brought it up on the big screen and it was obvious it was a shoulder charge I knew Williams would be off .. he got red carded for a dangerous tackle because of leading with a shoulder resulting also in a penalty try to the boks .. there are however repeat offenders in the game that base their defence around high tackles which has got to go and tuilagi is one of those repeat offenders.. you've got kids playing and I have kids playing the game and I sincerely hope no serious injury ever happens to yours or mine due to some clown flying into to tackle them shoulder first because there's simply no need to do it .. sorry about long winded reply ..
Pivac criticised the ref after wales lost to france and no one bats an eye lid, Eddie Jones criticises the ref justifiably and everyone loses their minds? 😂😂
@@ddfann don't limit it to just the southern hemisphere refs. There hasn't been a single game without an obscene level of dodgy refereeing decisions and complete lack of consistency. On reflection it probably isn't a surprise that we've seen more yelling at officials from players this tournament than in previous years
Jim, you laughed because it was hilarious. People are making far too much of this. Sick and tired of all the virtue signalling - let rugby continue to be Rugby.
Rugby isn’t about grabbing genitals! Jfc. Have we all given up on *actual* rugby? Has the long TMO decisions just led to total disinterest in actual rugby?
Had a chuckle over the Joe tickle, but discipline is vital - England could have blown this with this sort of behaviour. Also Eddie has got to be more measured in his words. So Mr Goode is bang on.
My first reaction was to laugh and when I had a think about it I believe it was just Marler trying to diffuse the situation because Jones is so stoic. He was just trying to get his attention away from the scuffle in a humorous way. And I whole hearted agree with Jim about the “in malice” bit. Ow I do think it should be reserved for member of the same team because of how easily that type of activity can be misconstrued. Had he done it in malice to try and remove Jones I would have thought quite differently. Play on Joe and best leave the front bum pats to your boys. Thank you for keeping levity in the game and not promoting violence.
Scottish person talking about how respectful the Scottish are. Funniest thing I've heard all week. The Scottish weren't very respectful of Farrell when he was kicking at Murrayfield. They weren't respectful when they jeered the English team as they arrived at the stadium. They weren't respectful when they tried to rough Ford up in the tunnel two years ago. Compare and contrast with the Twickenham crowd which remains silent when the opposition kicker is lining up a shot at goal.
I give Eddie a pass because he's kind of right that was the worst ref showing I've ever seen and mostly England got screwed over by it. They missed scrum-half Williams forward pass early, missed the genital grab, they missed Tipuric spiking the ball into Currys stomach, a Liam Williams elbow to the face of Curry. They should have red carded Parkes based off of the Tuilagi red. Wales benefited from a not straight lineout that immediately led to 14 minutes of pressure to the end the game that gave them 14 points. Now Tuilagi is getting cited as well as Lawes and Marler while Parkes gets off free.
Parkes attempted to use his arms it was a bit high and a clash of heads but it was not a red card because he used his arms. Lawes didnt attempt to use his arm it was a shoulder to head which is a red card
Yes Marler should have been sent off. He’s been cited of course but it should have been dealt with then. Not sure why some rules are ok to ignore and others aren’t. It’s against rugby laws, it’s that simple. It’s also a creepy weird intrusive thing to do in a rugby match, or anywhere.
What, rule 667, subsection D, paragraph five. It was referred to VAR and they did nothing. A game should not turn on a stupid joke - at this level a sending off wards the game to the other side - Wales scored twice in 6 minutes.
World rugby and national competitions need to get a grip on referee consistency standards. They have forgot where the off side line is and they all have an inconsistency approach to the clear out, breakdown, knock on and maul. It took Wayne Barnes, has assistant referee, to get involved to correctly sort the tip tackle in the Scotland game, otherwise it would have just been a penalty. Bring consistency will improve the standards of the players has they will always push the legal envelope.
Hi Jim You were great for Scotland and great to listen to but pot, kettle and black comes to mind! You crossed many lines during your time at Gloucester and Scotland, there are some good compilations on You Tube.
Eng on the field are becoming an extension of the arm from the clown Prince and gob shite that is Eddie Jones... believe you me in 2 years time when his contract expires that nauseating bell end Jones won't be coach of eng ..
If Eddie Jones was coaching South Africa or New Zealand then he would be muted. Just ask Peter de Villiers how that went for him. England is good enough without this nonsense.
craig forsyth Spoken like a true bitter loser!...I guarantee if EJ was coaching your side and they were winning we wouldn’t hear a peep out of you! #hypocrite
@craig forsyth If Eddie came out tomorrow and held a press conference where he apologised and begged for forgiveness, said England is a terrible team and praised the officials, people like you would still complain. 'He doesn't mean it." "He should be honest." "He's still a twat." People don't like Eddie or Farrell as people, regardless of what they say or do. Get over it, they're not going to change - thankfully.
The TMO & completely useless ref should also be called out. How tf did the TMO not see it!? For all kids & millions watching it was just pathetic, stupid & appalling behaviour. Tells you what an idiot Marler is whether he's seen as a so called nice guy or not.To pass it off is imo passing off groping in daily life like its not a big deal. Alun Wyn had every right to defend himself & punch his head off for that ... which would have been disgraceful too & immediate red card. It's a general culture developing in the English camp led by the their bitter little coach & captain. How Farrell wasn't carded in the game is beyond me.
Hamilton makes me laugh...After the Scottish team’s behaviour post beating England two years ago I don’t think anyone can hold them up as an example of how to act.
Until England faces up to and deals with their arrogance problem, they will never reach their potential, which is to be the greatest rugby nation worldwide. Unfortunately England, the players, the supporters and the administration seem to believe that the potential for greatness is the same as actual greatness. It's really time to grow up.
Low risk, high reward stuff (Wales could have lost the Captain and the game early on if he reacted) have to be stamped out, otherwise everyone will be doing it.
It's there in the rules. World Rugby law 9.27 says “A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship including but not limited to grabbing, twisting or squeezing the genitals”. Marler wasn't trying to injure or hurt Wynn Jones but he still broke the rules. If he isn't punnished (I think a 12 week ban would be excessive) then next time a player can say they thought it was allowed.
stevegrim the 12 week thing is entry level sanction and I think only reduced if he’s got a good record etc which, ah, he hasn’t! So it’s the minimum he’ll likely get.
About 3 years ago sam Burgess did a squirrel grip in the middle of a tackle around ruck area in an Nrl rugby league game and got a 3 game bannd but the point is he intended to hurt that player! Funny enough even though he got bannd for 3 games, the whole Australian media was actually laughing about it at the time. So I think people just need to chill out! Give Joe marler a two match suspension and get this stupid topic over and done with! Honestly the world gone mad!
Kane Bennett well it’s against rugby laws so regardless of how mad the world is, Marler knew the rules. The sanctions start at 12 weeks, as per this specific law.
Dan Cater I’m not sure why you’re arguing, it’s all over the damn news he’s been cited under 9.27 I think it is and that the entry point sanction is 12 week ban. It doesn’t actually matter wtf you think and it doesn’t actually say he *has* to grab twist or squeeze! While they specifically state those things, it actually says: A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship including but not limited to grabbing, twisting or squeezing the genitals”. If action is taken and Marler is found guilty the offence has a low end punishment of 12 weeks to a maximum penalty of 208 weeks. Argue all you like mate, facts don’t care about your feelings 😬 he’s been cited for it!
Shut the fuck up, England were all over Wales and Wales were guilty of more dodgy behaviour than England on the day. Easily good for more than a 3 point win the English. Have some fucking shame.
I won’t lie Wales were fucking dodgy as well on the day like Tom curry tipped on his head and an elbow to the face, or farrel getting no arms shoulder charged on a dummy line etc
I genuinely like Marler. He's a funny lad, and makes a good joke. This one however was clearly badly misjudged. If he'd gone a split second wee rummage it would have been bad but could have been passed off with a "don't do that again, I know it used to be funny but we've now realised the serious impact on people of this sort of stuff". The fact that he kept at it for much longer than a second or 2 was what tipped it squarely into Not Play On for me.
Personally I think it depends on the context, timing and individual. There are some players who would find it funny but some it would wind up. It didn’t seem to me that he did it as friendly banter but to try and get a rise which is unacceptable
@@jackdeegan3617 Eddie is hilarious, he goes out of his way to say things to irritate rivals & always gets the reaction he wants. Simply freedom of speech!
@@Stophrah I didn't say that there was anything wrong with it. I just loved how it came back and bitch slapped him on the face against France. I don't think that was the reaction he was looking for 😂😂😂.
@@jackdeegan3617 Eddie is hilarious, he goes out of his way to say things to irritate rivals & always gets the reaction he wants. Simply freedom of speech!
I'm sorry but the ref hardly picked up on the welsh high tackles and the throat hold that welsh player had on Henry Slade but elis Grange got sent off for in at the side I dont blame Eddie for commenting on the refs decision
Marler was trying to be funny, there wasn't any ill intent but it was inappropriate. We all know the banter rugby players have with each other and how far that can go but there's a time and a place.
Going to be retrograde here: rugby's a real man's game...get over it. FFS. What's wrong with banter? He should face some minor consequences because it's against the rules. End of. Get on with your lives.
Those saying it was 'lad banter' are missing the point. The context -players on opposing teams, and the situation - international match, mean it cant be shrugged off as banter. In the showers on a lions tour - fine. But opposition players have the right to have their boundaries respected.
I laughed when I saw it but I was glad my 8 year old, rugby playing son, didn’t see it. Afraid to say but times have moved on and that wasn’t acceptable from Marler
By the way all English fans stop complaining we won, even newzealand many times do very ill discipline things and they are let of. Secondly stop complaining about maler because of his ball touching, I have seen worse around the whole of England at the levels I have played and it never gets seen to by any one. Yes the highest level I have played at it is north of England squad, currently am playing in Nat1 and league 2 level. Third Eddie got us to the semi finals in the RWC Andy good and he probably knows hell of lot more rugby than you with his experiences and how he has revived England
Whilst not pc by todays standards, I personally laughed......it reminded me of the old joke about the dentist and the patient.......just as the dentist starts treatment the patient grabs the dentist `````3lls, the dentist says”what are you doing Mr Jones”.....patient replies, we dont want to hurt each other....do we Alun.......tickled me
Didn’t think I’d see the day that rugby would go ‘woke’. How sad that men have been emasculated to the point where a comical tickle of a todger on a rugby field is being defined as assault by young men off it. Are young men not tactile with eachother anymore then? Has banter and silliness been taken from you along with everything else? Are you ashamed of such silly, harmless behaviour that has been a pillar of male bonding forever? Well done, you’re all women now - mission accomplished.
Farrell push on north, Marler tickle and Manu wild tackle. Frankly we were lucky to win in the end with wales pressing hard! Biggar is a proper whinger though 😉
I think hes spot on there, it is funny and I'm laughing about it but it's over the line. I think we need to be able to laugh and then say "but seriously though, don't be a dick, think about what you've done and behave yourself"
Ha ha ha! Yeah Scotland are saints in the game. Ritchie coming from distance to goad a reaction, gets one and replies with a punch. Doesn’t get picked up. Marler was immature and deserving of red, but don’t say Scotland are perfect.
I agree with Andy, Ellis genge is another player who needs to shutup and concentrate on playing rugby, Farrel is supposed to act like a captain, the England team need to cop on
The way I see it is that, although it was all for a laugh and innocent in his intentions, it was absolutely correct for him to have received a ban. The letter of the law states that any grabbing or touching of genitals is a minimum of a 12 week ban, so in fact he was extremely lucky to not have got an extra two weeks... I love Marler and think he is absolutely hilarious but in this instance it was certainly a wrongful act. It doesn’t matter if it was for a laugh or just a joke, what it comes down to is that he touched someone’s genitals without consent, on the world stage, in clear view of thousands of spectators. If we are being real here, if world rugby had let him off it would have set a dangerous precedent and sent a message to all the kids watching that sexual assault is ok if it’s just for a laugh.
In my mind theres no question it was wrong and he should be given a ban. I don’t think there was malice he clearly did it to try and be funny or get AWJ to react and get a card. Regardless its against the rules there is no reason to do it and its not OK to do that even if it is a joke. If a bloke walked up a woman on the street or in the work place and gave her muff a playful grab joking or not then he’d be arrested or fired/disciplined - rightly so. At the end of the day banter or not its not acceptable. Prime example of Lad culture i.e being a Twat.
Im a welsh supporter and thought it was bloody brilliant. All the players slap each others arses. Isnt that the same? People need to stop being such snowflakes
Can we have a bit of nuance? Things like this used to be acceptable, they no longer are. Like many I had a chuckle, but as the game gets more commercial lad culture like this has to be left in the past, or atleast to the trainimg field. But pretending the rules in place are meant for this is disingenuous. They are for grabbing, twisting and squeezing. That is the spirit they were written in, and that matters. Joe gave him a little tickle. The laws were for safeguarding balls, not to stop shithousery with no intent to injure. Society has moved on hence why people are outraged in the #metoo generation. New laws are needed in my opinion for instances like this. They dont warrant the length of ban intended for more serious offenses to actually injure the crown jewels,.but sayimg that he should definitely face some sort of punishment as this sends out the wrong message to kids.
Marler needs to focus on his game and pack in all the 'funny' stuff. I used to like him but now think he's become a bit of a caricature of himself. He needs to choose whether he's a rugby player or a stand-up comedian.
What about the elbow in the throat from the jones boy Marler uses humour to make hin move his elbow, why is the elbow not cited ?? Why are you not pointing that out. So many things wrong in that game you waste 10 minutes about one incident Jim we know you are well off mate no need to flaunt it with the £100 toilet role accessory
Marler deserves to be punished, it was a wind up thing to do. In the old days AWJ would have just knocked him out, but as that’s not an option now in the modern game (see France Vs Scotland) he should (and will) get a hefty ban. Too much gamesmanship in this England side - from Eddie, ball grabbing, shouting and roaring after scrum penalties, ironically back slapping the opposition. Just play rugby boys and leave all the other nonsense for soccer.
Yes, I had a chuckle when it happened ... but Goode is right. This is unacceptable, not just as an international rugby-player and role model, but also from the IRB perspective. These things need to be punished hard, because if AWJ had reacted, he’d be off. There should not be an upside to this behavior.
Maybe do it off the field and not make it so obvious could be a start . Could try and play rugby instead of hungry . Maybe get some help . You know he will be remembered for this unfortunately
I'm not a big rugby fan, but I respect its aversion to the kind of bullshit football suffers from. Players don't feign injury, they don't talk back to the ref, there are few if any Instagram twats like Neymar. Marler grabbing some bollocks, people punching each other...this is rugby... it's not a big deal FFS. Context is everything. Don't flick a stranger's bollocks. In the context of RFU, maybe, just maybe it's funny.
I think it is possible for something to be both funny and reprehensible.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say what Marler did was “reprehensible”. But I also wouldn’t describe it as particularly funny. Maybe if he’d done it knowing that he was going to get lamped by AWJ would have been funnier, but knowing that in all likelihood AWJ is far too experienced a pro to react, or if if he does react he’s getting sent off, it’s a pretty low thing to do. I thought it was mildly amusing, but seeing how annoyed AWJ was at the presser gave me a different view on it.
@@harderthantherock He didnt seem that annoyed on the pitch Marler spent 3 seconds fumbling to find it then at least another 2 fondling it and Jones stood there the all time and let him
The rugby lad within you had a good laugh. The guy who lives in today's world didn't approve
OllIe Swanson think that’s is the best summary I’ve seen on this incident yet
Great comment Ollie, you could actually take the word rugby out of the sentence and it would still sum up today's world.
Its the cultural revolution.. 2020 style. Self-criticism: "I thought that what I thought was okay but now.. now I realise that it was wrong think" Everybody is too scared of being 'found' wrong and then shamed.
Would everyone have laughed if Alun turned around and retaliated and then got sent off? Rugby fans are such creepy bastards.
April not all of us. Most rugby fans I know think Marler is a complete idiot and behaved true to form in this incident.
Marler should have had a penalty awarded against him on the pitch.
For not releasing the ball.
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You win the thread - lol.
I don't think it was banter or toxic rugby.
I saw it as Marler wanting to get a rise from Jones in order to get Jones sent off.
Perhaps Marler was reacting to the forearm in his face?
Yeah I think it was but the action is still the same. Actually worse than just doing it for fun because you're looking to get someone sent off.
True, cynical and manipulative.
In the same way jones did multiple things to get English players to react
To sit in a press conference and winge just goes to show how pathetic Jones is
Yeah dude that's toxic
It’s not the child in you that laughed - it’s the rugby player in you that laughed!!!
Both I think
Jim conveniently forgetting about the whole RWC fiasco involving the Scottish RFU
Yep Dodson should have been history after the Japan fiasco.
And the Scottish teams conduct before and after the England game at Murrayfield in 2018
He was referring to the players
M - he referred specifically to Townsend
That was clearly a reference to the team and coach. Dodson and the SRU executives are despised in Scotland generally, and we’re as critical as anyone else regarding the SRU’s conduct in the RWC.
Jim Hamilton may never have flicked someone's Johnson, but he frequently assaulted players on the pitch which is much worse than what Marler did.
There are VERY few men who have played rugby who havent ever assaulted another player.
californian condor I disagree. Hamilton and others like him just love to fight and throw punches for any perceived slight. There’s a difference between clumsy and even unintentionally dangerous tackles and the thuggery of Hamilton.
What JM did was inciting AWJ to punch him and collect a red card. This was a manipulation rather than a challenge. Authorities should stomp this one pretty firmly.
Found it funny in real time and im sure thats how it was intended from joe marler
I think joe is setting himself up for when he gives up in the next few years. Every guy playing rugby has a long haul to full retirement after finishing around mid 30s and need to make money, he’s being very smart.
daiviking you’ve got to be the first man in history to call someone grabbing another mans knob on live tv smart.
David Flatman has made a successful, and I suspect lucrative, transition from player to pundit & after dinner speaker.
I believe Marler thinks he is both a better player and funnier person than Flatman and has been making strides in recent years to create a second career for himself.
He's now going straight to DVD.
At least he’s playing with his own balls now.
I think Eddie is pretty much at the end of his tether with the English sporting press and that led to his outburst. Separately, refs need to sort out backchat and sending teams back 10. Both Farrell and Biggar could do with a yellow for gobbing off.
The press are getting boring tbh. Asking the same generic, ready-made questions week in week out; "How did X situation make you feel?", "Do you think there's room for improvement?". It's just getting tedious. They're trying to ask hard hitting questions, but at the end of the day they're interviewing sports personalities, not the General's staff in Helmand province.
So NO comments about Tuilagi head injury and what caused it or Liam Williams entering from the side of the ruck and picking up and tipping Tom Curry head first into the ground (in front of the Referee's assistant).
No. The big story is someone touching someone inappropriately and an English player, in full flight, taking out a falling player (who jumped up, and rejoined the field of play).
A bit too many pearls being clutched in fake horror.
Just so you know... flying into a tackle leading with the shoulder is illegal on any part of the body and will result in at least a yellow card .. but once there's contact with the head regardless of North going lower there are no mitigating circumstances and results in a straight red .. the bottom dollar here is that there's players out there who have been guilty of dangerous tackles leading with the shoulder at club and international level many times .. tuilagi is one of those players .. 114 kilos at full tilt then diving flying through the air leading with the shoulder arm at his side like a torpedo and if connected cleanly with norths head would have not just knocked him out but could have seriously damaged him ending norths career or even worse .. there's a reason the irb are attempting to rid the game of such stupid so called tackles.... it's called player safety ..
@@isitwasit8756 I am of the opinion that player safety is the top priority. No problem with the rules. My issue is that the referee spent a very long time looking at the 'tackle' before he made a decision. If it was so obvious that the intention was to injure the player or end his career it should be a straight red. If it takes several reviews (with the crowd shouting and booing louder with every review) it will be open to debate.
P. S. I have a Son who is still playing despite the fact he broke his back. Player safety is paramount. Cheers!
@@emmastephenson9763 like I said earlier tuilagi is known for his head high shoulder charge tackling .. he does it at club and international level and the day these cowards finally get the message the better for player safety.. the ref was delaying because of reviewing contact to the head .. at the least tuilagi was going to get a yellow because of flying into a tackle leading with the shoulder.. the red was because there fortunately was on slight contact to norths head .. if you just take your English googles off for a moment and imagine the horrendous damage to north if tuilagi shoulder had made full contact with norths head .. I dread to think the damage that would have caused .. I also have 2 son's who play rugby and have played the game myself for many years. And I long for the day when the penny drops that these dangerous cheap shot tackles are no longer tolerated and eradicated from the game.. this isn't the first time tuilagi has been sent off or yellow carded for dangerous tackles he's got a long history of this and one day some player will end up brain damaged because of his cowardly head high tackling technique..
@@isitwasit8756 Agree with all that you say. I just find myself bewildered by the fact the pundits are concerned about that one incident. If Tom Curry had hit the ground at the wrong angle then he could be in wheel chair for the rest of his life. Where is the outrage from everyone about that? Again, I ask - what about the initial head injury to Tuilagi? If the authority's are really serious about preventing damage caused to players they need to be a bit more on the ball with everyone.
@@emmastephenson9763 you're right every incident that's dangerous should be looked at and punished . I remember a few yrs ago Wales v s.africa Liam Williams did the same as a boks player was about to score in the corner and Williams came flying in with a shoulder charge hitting the player in the ribs knocking him into touch .. initially I thought great tackle but when the tmo brought it up on the big screen and it was obvious it was a shoulder charge I knew Williams would be off .. he got red carded for a dangerous tackle because of leading with a shoulder resulting also in a penalty try to the boks .. there are however repeat offenders in the game that base their defence around high tackles which has got to go and tuilagi is one of those repeat offenders.. you've got kids playing and I have kids playing the game and I sincerely hope no serious injury ever happens to yours or mine due to some clown flying into to tackle them shoulder first because there's simply no need to do it .. sorry about long winded reply ..
Take my hat off to Andy Goode very unbiased bloke and speaks sense
Is that bog roll for sale Jim?
Probably went for a courtesy wipe when the pod finished.
Marler was stupid, give him a couple of weeks ban, move on I think
Pivac criticised the ref after wales lost to france and no one bats an eye lid, Eddie Jones criticises the ref justifiably and everyone loses their minds? 😂😂
Lies - plenty of people criticised Pivac, unjustly I may add.
The Southern Hemisphere ref's in this 6N have been appalling, every one of them.
@@ddfann don't limit it to just the southern hemisphere refs. There hasn't been a single game without an obscene level of dodgy refereeing decisions and complete lack of consistency. On reflection it probably isn't a surprise that we've seen more yelling at officials from players this tournament than in previous years
You say, in the old days it was OK . But he would have got one hell of a punch in the face . JUST SAYING
Like it wasn’t banter he wanted Alun Wyn Jones to kick off, they aren’t mates
What a massive overreaction
Luke Davies exactly!!!! Why isn’t anyone else pointing that out!
@Luke Davies The TMO did not have time to look up the obscure rule - no violent play.
Jim, you laughed because it was hilarious. People are making far too much of this. Sick and tired of all the virtue signalling - let rugby continue to be Rugby.
Could not agree more I know Joe and he is a good hearted dude and what rugby is all about
Rugby isn’t about grabbing genitals! Jfc. Have we all given up on *actual* rugby? Has the long TMO decisions just led to total disinterest in actual rugby?
Wow if that's rugby for you I'd hate to be with you on the showers
@@april-tui3524 What part of England were you not born in ?
Everyone in the scrum needs a red card then
Eh?
Had a chuckle over the Joe tickle, but discipline is vital - England could have blown this with this sort of behaviour. Also Eddie has got to be more measured in his words. So Mr Goode is bang on.
Why should Eddie be more measured? So he doesn't say his true opinions and offend people like you or Jim? I'm sure he doesn't care and rightfully so.
My first reaction was to laugh and when I had a think about it I believe it was just Marler trying to diffuse the situation because Jones is so stoic. He was just trying to get his attention away from the scuffle in a humorous way. And I whole hearted agree with Jim about the “in malice” bit. Ow I do think it should be reserved for member of the same team because of how easily that type of activity can be misconstrued. Had he done it in malice to try and remove Jones I would have thought quite differently. Play on Joe and best leave the front bum pats to your boys. Thank you for keeping levity in the game and not promoting violence.
Cheeky ball squidge
Scottish person talking about how respectful the Scottish are. Funniest thing I've heard all week. The Scottish weren't very respectful of Farrell when he was kicking at Murrayfield. They weren't respectful when they jeered the English team as they arrived at the stadium. They weren't respectful when they tried to rough Ford up in the tunnel two years ago. Compare and contrast with the Twickenham crowd which remains silent when the opposition kicker is lining up a shot at goal.
not to mention he is one of the dirtiest players to have graced the game
I give Eddie a pass because he's kind of right that was the worst ref showing I've ever seen and mostly England got screwed over by it. They missed scrum-half Williams forward pass early, missed the genital grab, they missed Tipuric spiking the ball into Currys stomach, a Liam Williams elbow to the face of Curry. They should have red carded Parkes based off of the Tuilagi red. Wales benefited from a not straight lineout that immediately led to 14 minutes of pressure to the end the game that gave them 14 points. Now Tuilagi is getting cited as well as Lawes and Marler while Parkes gets off free.
DBJMK 👌🏻
Yeah I'm a bit pissed that Lawes is getting picked up in that high tackle but Parkes is getting off Scott free
Well if Marler should’ve been red carded as well, as is now the case per the citation, it goes both ways that England got away with foul play too.
@@RomeoAlphaSierra very true. That's sport at the end of the day
Parkes attempted to use his arms it was a bit high and a clash of heads but it was not a red card because he used his arms. Lawes didnt attempt to use his arm it was a shoulder to head which is a red card
Total bollocks
Yes Marler should have been sent off. He’s been cited of course but it should have been dealt with then. Not sure why some rules are ok to ignore and others aren’t. It’s against rugby laws, it’s that simple. It’s also a creepy weird intrusive thing to do in a rugby match, or anywhere.
What, rule 667, subsection D, paragraph five. It was referred to VAR and they did nothing. A game should not turn on a stupid joke - at this level a sending off wards the game to the other side - Wales scored twice in 6 minutes.
World rugby and national competitions need to get a grip on referee consistency standards. They have forgot where the off side line is and they all have an inconsistency approach to the clear out, breakdown, knock on and maul. It took Wayne Barnes, has assistant referee, to get involved to correctly sort the tip tackle in the Scotland game, otherwise it would have just been a penalty. Bring consistency will improve the standards of the players has they will always push the legal envelope.
Great pod lads
Hi Jim You were great for Scotland and great to listen to but pot, kettle and black comes to mind! You crossed many lines during your time at Gloucester and Scotland, there are some good compilations on You Tube.
The pair of them forgetting that Eddie Jones is Australian....how does that equate to “English arrogance”??
The rest of the world has censorship apparently and any form of honestly from an Englishman or affiliate is wrong.
Eng on the field are becoming an extension of the arm from the clown Prince and gob shite that is Eddie Jones... believe you me in 2 years time when his contract expires that nauseating bell end Jones won't be coach of eng ..
If Eddie Jones was coaching South Africa or New Zealand then he would be muted. Just ask Peter de Villiers how that went for him. England is good enough without this nonsense.
craig forsyth Spoken like a true bitter loser!...I guarantee if EJ was coaching your side and they were winning we wouldn’t hear a peep out of you! #hypocrite
@craig forsyth If Eddie came out tomorrow and held a press conference where he apologised and begged for forgiveness, said England is a terrible team and praised the officials, people like you would still complain. 'He doesn't mean it." "He should be honest." "He's still a twat."
People don't like Eddie or Farrell as people, regardless of what they say or do. Get over it, they're not going to change - thankfully.
The TMO & completely useless ref should also be called out. How tf did the TMO not see it!? For all kids & millions watching it was just pathetic, stupid & appalling behaviour. Tells you what an idiot Marler is whether he's seen as a so called nice guy or not.To pass it off is imo passing off groping in daily life like its not a big deal. Alun Wyn had every right to defend himself & punch his head off for that ... which would have been disgraceful too & immediate red card. It's a general culture developing in the English camp led by the their bitter little coach & captain. How Farrell wasn't carded in the game is beyond me.
The law regarding it is obscure. So reign in your indignation. A sending off hands the game to the other side. My guess is that is what you wanted.
Hamilton makes me laugh...After the Scottish team’s behaviour post beating England two years ago I don’t think anyone can hold them up as an example of how to act.
Until England faces up to and deals with their arrogance problem, they will never reach their potential, which is to be the greatest rugby nation worldwide. Unfortunately England, the players, the supporters and the administration seem to believe that the potential for greatness is the same as actual greatness. It's really time to grow up.
That toilet roll is worth £1000 now.
RIP to Joe Marler ever coming back on the pod
What’s with the Hamilton bog roll? Is it corona virus related?
It's a nod from the crew to all the shit he talks.
Low risk, high reward stuff (Wales could have lost the Captain and the game early on if he reacted) have to be stamped out, otherwise everyone will be doing it.
Doing that in an England jersey? If you didn't think Joe Marler was an idiot before this incident I think it's pretty obvious now.
Such a disgraceful act, no room for that whether it was joke or not
@Captain Insano Shows no mercy captain insano HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
To be clear...Jim is wrong...it is, in fact, sexual assault. Whether or not its taken as that is irrelevant.
Was it raining?
It's there in the rules. World Rugby law 9.27 says
“A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship including but not limited to grabbing, twisting or squeezing the genitals”.
Marler wasn't trying to injure or hurt Wynn Jones but he still broke the rules. If he isn't punnished (I think a 12 week ban would be excessive) then next time a player can say they thought it was allowed.
stevegrim the 12 week thing is entry level sanction and I think only reduced if he’s got a good record etc which, ah, he hasn’t! So it’s the minimum he’ll likely get.
About 3 years ago sam Burgess did a squirrel grip in the middle of a tackle around ruck area in an Nrl rugby league game and got a 3 game bannd but the point is he intended to hurt that player! Funny enough even though he got bannd for 3 games, the whole Australian media was actually laughing about it at the time. So I think people just need to chill out! Give Joe marler a two match suspension and get this stupid topic over and done with! Honestly the world gone mad!
Kane Bennett well it’s against rugby laws so regardless of how mad the world is, Marler knew the rules. The sanctions start at 12 weeks, as per this specific law.
Dan Cater I’m not sure why you’re arguing, it’s all over the damn news he’s been cited under 9.27 I think it is and that the entry point sanction is 12 week ban. It doesn’t actually matter wtf you think and it doesn’t actually say he *has* to grab twist or squeeze! While they specifically state those things, it actually says: A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship including but not limited to grabbing, twisting or squeezing the genitals”.
If action is taken and Marler is found guilty the offence has a low end punishment of 12 weeks to a maximum penalty of 208 weeks.
Argue all you like mate, facts don’t care about your feelings 😬 he’s been cited for it!
3 point difference...cheating English and Refs and TMO in someone’s pocket?
Shut the fuck up, England were all over Wales and Wales were guilty of more dodgy behaviour than England on the day. Easily good for more than a 3 point win the English. Have some fucking shame.
I won’t lie Wales were fucking dodgy as well on the day like Tom curry tipped on his head and an elbow to the face, or farrel getting no arms shoulder charged on a dummy line etc
I genuinely like Marler. He's a funny lad, and makes a good joke. This one however was clearly badly misjudged. If he'd gone a split second wee rummage it would have been bad but could have been passed off with a "don't do that again, I know it used to be funny but we've now realised the serious impact on people of this sort of stuff". The fact that he kept at it for much longer than a second or 2 was what tipped it squarely into Not Play On for me.
Personally I think it depends on the context, timing and individual. There are some players who would find it funny but some it would wind up. It didn’t seem to me that he did it as friendly banter but to try and get a rise which is unacceptable
Joe marlers got you all by the balls! 🤣🤣🤣
Jim going on about Scotland behaving well, ever heard of fin Russell?
Eddie is hilarious, he goes out of his way to say things to irritate rivals & always gets the reaction he wants. Simply freedom of speech!
You mean like the reaction from the French 😂😂😂😂.
@@jackdeegan3617 Eddie is hilarious, he goes out of his way to say things to irritate rivals & always gets the reaction he wants. Simply freedom of speech!
@@Stophrah I didn't say that there was anything wrong with it. I just loved how it came back and bitch slapped him on the face against France.
I don't think that was the reaction he was looking for 😂😂😂.
@@jackdeegan3617 Eddie is hilarious, he goes out of his way to say things to irritate rivals & always gets the reaction he wants. Simply freedom of speech!
@@Stophrah Troll
I'm sorry but the ref hardly picked up on the welsh high tackles and the throat hold that welsh player had on Henry Slade but elis Grange got sent off for in at the side I dont blame Eddie for commenting on the refs decision
Lovely ball control
Will Marler get a ban?
Well? Willy or won't he?
That Irish accent is the stuff of joy
It was a gentle sign of affection.
And I really don't think Joe gives a f@#k!
A life in television awaits.
Marler was trying to be funny, there wasn't any ill intent but it was inappropriate. We all know the banter rugby players have with each other and how far that can go but there's a time and a place.
Yeah Trump was just having a laugh when grabbing a lady's p%#ssy?
Chris Naude Was Trump on a rugby field?
Going to be retrograde here: rugby's a real man's game...get over it. FFS. What's wrong with banter? He should face some minor consequences because it's against the rules. End of. Get on with your lives.
You can’t talk about England play off the ball there was a fair bit of welsh play off the ball too like the Liam Williams clearout on curry etc
Those saying it was 'lad banter' are missing the point. The context -players on opposing teams, and the situation - international match, mean it cant be shrugged off as banter. In the showers on a lions tour - fine. But opposition players have the right to have their boundaries respected.
I laughed when I saw it but I was glad my 8 year old, rugby playing son, didn’t see it. Afraid to say but times have moved on and that wasn’t acceptable from Marler
Would you laugh if it happened to your son? I hope not. That guy should be charged.
I've been to 100's of Exeter games, never seen them do it..😕?
By the way all English fans stop complaining we won, even newzealand many times do very ill discipline things and they are let of. Secondly stop complaining about maler because of his ball touching, I have seen worse around the whole of England at the levels I have played and it never gets seen to by any one. Yes the highest level I have played at it is north of England squad, currently am playing in Nat1 and league 2 level. Third Eddie got us to the semi finals in the RWC Andy good and he probably knows hell of lot more rugby than you with his experiences and how he has revived England
Appreciate it
Does Joe realise he will never now play for England Cricket because of his ball tampering?
It’s a joke, funny to you or not. Wasn’t assault or malicious. Move on.
Whilst not pc by todays standards, I personally laughed......it reminded me of the old joke about the dentist and the patient.......just as the dentist starts treatment the patient grabs the dentist `````3lls, the dentist says”what are you doing Mr Jones”.....patient replies, we dont want to hurt each other....do we Alun.......tickled me
Well said Andy Hoode
Oops Goode !
Joe doesn't give a f##k. A career in TV awaits.
Didn’t think I’d see the day that rugby would go ‘woke’. How sad that men have been emasculated to the point where a comical tickle of a todger on a rugby field is being defined as assault by young men off it. Are young men not tactile with eachother anymore then? Has banter and silliness been taken from you along with everything else? Are you ashamed of such silly, harmless behaviour that has been a pillar of male bonding forever? Well done, you’re all women now - mission accomplished.
I wonder what the reaction would be if a Welsh player had done it to an English player?
Farrell push on north, Marler tickle and Manu wild tackle. Frankly we were lucky to win in the end with wales pressing hard! Biggar is a proper whinger though 😉
I think hes spot on there, it is funny and I'm laughing about it but it's over the line. I think we need to be able to laugh and then say "but seriously though, don't be a dick, think about what you've done and behave yourself"
eddie was correct tho the ref was on the welsh team
20% funny 80% stupid
Ha ha ha! Yeah Scotland are saints in the game. Ritchie coming from distance to goad a reaction, gets one and replies with a punch. Doesn’t get picked up. Marler was immature and deserving of red, but don’t say Scotland are perfect.
Bah I think Sinckler is still far away to change his behaviour.
I agree with Andy, Ellis genge is another player who needs to shutup and concentrate on playing rugby, Farrel is supposed to act like a captain, the England team need to cop on
As do your team...but they must be angels.
Marler just getting to grips with John thomas😁
Lots of children in Ulster
The way I see it is that, although it was all for a laugh and innocent in his intentions, it was absolutely correct for him to have received a ban. The letter of the law states that any grabbing or touching of genitals is a minimum of a 12 week ban, so in fact he was extremely lucky to not have got an extra two weeks... I love Marler and think he is absolutely hilarious but in this instance it was certainly a wrongful act. It doesn’t matter if it was for a laugh or just a joke, what it comes down to is that he touched someone’s genitals without consent, on the world stage, in clear view of thousands of spectators. If we are being real here, if world rugby had let him off it would have set a dangerous precedent and sent a message to all the kids watching that sexual assault is ok if it’s just for a laugh.
In my mind theres no question it was wrong and he should be given a ban. I don’t think there was malice he clearly did it to try and be funny or get AWJ to react and get a card. Regardless its against the rules there is no reason to do it and its not OK to do that even if it is a joke.
If a bloke walked up a woman on the street or in the work place and gave her muff a playful grab joking or not then he’d be arrested or fired/disciplined - rightly so. At the end of the day banter or not its not acceptable. Prime example of Lad culture i.e being a Twat.
Eddie Jones is Australian, not English.
Im a welsh supporter and thought it was bloody brilliant. All the players slap each others arses. Isnt that the same? People need to stop being such snowflakes
Can we have a bit of nuance?
Things like this used to be acceptable, they no longer are.
Like many I had a chuckle, but as the game gets more commercial lad culture like this has to be left in the past, or atleast to the trainimg field.
But pretending the rules in place are meant for this is disingenuous. They are for grabbing, twisting and squeezing. That is the spirit they were written in, and that matters. Joe gave him a little tickle. The laws were for safeguarding balls, not to stop shithousery with no intent to injure.
Society has moved on hence why people are outraged in the #metoo generation. New laws are needed in my opinion for instances like this. They dont warrant the length of ban intended for more serious offenses to actually injure the crown jewels,.but sayimg that he should definitely face some sort of punishment as this sends out the wrong message to kids.
Opus actually the law this falls under specifically talks about actions that being the game into disrepute. It’s not just about if you hurt someone.
England are arrogant? Give it a fucking rest! If Eddie Jones was managing any other team. He would never get blasted the amount he does.
If he behaved like this, slagging off Refs, saying Wales is a shitty little country etc, yeah he definately would.
Found it funny at the time, still find it funny now, but appreciate that World rugby will have to take some sort of action - time's we live in.
Wyn Jones was dirty ALL GAME. Pushing the boundaries. The whole game was a pantomime. AWJ was pushing Marler’s buttons too.
You got one thing right, I don’t have to listen to this..... sausages
Marler needs to focus on his game and pack in all the 'funny' stuff. I used to like him but now think he's become a bit of a caricature of himself. He needs to choose whether he's a rugby player or a stand-up comedian.
What about the elbow in the throat from the jones boy Marler uses humour to make hin move his elbow, why is the elbow not cited ?? Why are you not pointing that out. So many things wrong in that game you waste 10 minutes about one incident
Jim we know you are well off mate no need to flaunt it with the £100 toilet role accessory
Marler deserves to be punished, it was a wind up thing to do. In the old days AWJ would have just knocked him out, but as that’s not an option now in the modern game (see France Vs Scotland) he should (and will) get a hefty ban. Too much gamesmanship in this England side - from Eddie, ball grabbing, shouting and roaring after scrum penalties, ironically back slapping the opposition. Just play rugby boys and leave all the other nonsense for soccer.
Biased shit - make an unbiased point, or STFU ,or go play with the only two balls that can stomach you.
Yes, I had a chuckle when it happened ... but Goode is right. This is unacceptable, not just as an international rugby-player and role model, but also from the IRB perspective. These things need to be punished hard, because if AWJ had reacted, he’d be off. There should not be an upside to this behavior.
8.06 you don't know my mate Steve lol
Marler unacceptable and I'm a England fan
A valued opinion it is as well lads. 👍
Maybe joe was just hungry, and his urges made him lose control.
And he was sent off numerous times. What's your point?
Maybe do it off the field and not make it so obvious could be a start . Could try and play rugby instead of hungry . Maybe get some help . You know he will be remembered for this unfortunately
Andy Goode sounds a tad bitter... Anyway House of Rugby shits on this pod...
I'm not a big rugby fan, but I respect its aversion to the kind of bullshit football suffers from. Players don't feign injury, they don't talk back to the ref, there are few if any Instagram twats like Neymar.
Marler grabbing some bollocks, people punching each other...this is rugby... it's not a big deal FFS. Context is everything. Don't flick a stranger's bollocks. In the context of RFU, maybe, just maybe it's funny.
Nice bog roll mate !
You might as well rename your Pod........ 'The Wokeby Pod' ........ You've gone from professional sportsmen to professionally offended.......
Piss off snowflake getting all worked up over an opinion
Flying elbow on tom croft hmmmmm
Joe was simply respecting the “no hand shake” rule due to Coronavirus. Nothing to see here folks.