There is no rival boost. You are taking statements out of context. When Vegetto was fighting Buu, Kibishin was amazed by how powerful he was, and attributed it to the Potara. Old Kai then called him a fool and said it was because Goku and Vegeta fused, 2 of the strongest fighters in the universe. And it doesn't hurt that they live to outdo each other. In other words, he was saying iron sharpens iron. Because Goku and Vegeta have trained to outdo each other, they, themselves are strong, not some rival boost. Old Kai specifically listed off what makes Potara the stronger fusion. 1) It doesn't require learning a silly dance. 2) It doesn't have a time limit. In regards to the power of the character, regardless which version is used, their power would be the same.
Yeah but then you have to remember that buu has seen them perform the fusion,absorbed the fusion,absorbed piccolo who taught fusion to goten and trunks and on top of that has access to all their memories,so the odds are stacking to him telling the truth. He also has no reason to lie here. Plus the fact that you have to use a trope to defend gogeta is crazy to me.
@ I watched and he said exactly that because he claimed buu knew how strong gotenks were when they fuse so he will “know” the same with Goku and vegeta but yet he provided no proof of that….he even used the fact that he absorbed piccolo as evidence of that like huh? Because he now has wisdom….wisdom doesn’t mean All knowing so buu was just Granted “All knowing” just because….hence why I said he made that argument just because Buu said so…..I can make the argument that Buu thought if they fused they would only be as strong as Gotenks hence why he said it wouldn’t be enough because he was now stronger than gotenks it was a stupid argument and you are just as stupid to believe it.
Stardust breaker doesnt erase the evil, it would be stupid if gogeta used it against broly knowing that he wasnt evil at all When goku paralyzed broly he knew it
vegito only defused early because blue was unreliable, in the manga its shown better than in the anime. Blue was so unbalanced that it split the potara not due to raw power, but due to it not being mastered/perfected yet. If Gogeta used blue in that same time period he would also defuse early due to blue's imperfections.
cap i dont think it was stated anywhere that fusion also had the same downsides as potara. Unless gogeta blue was nerfing himself perfectly to where he wouldnt fuse mid fight using all them strong ah moves i dont think the power nerf applies to gogeta. Otherwise there would be zero point of having another fusion variant thats created by a special race of ppl we dont hear much about just for it to be weaker with draw backs
Toriyama said either fusion technique results in a fusion with the same level of power aslong as the people making the fusion dont change. it was when the super Broly movie was coming out. you can look it up, Vegito and Gogeta are equal in power.
@@Zeno1781 Akira Toriyama the guy that made the series said they are. Look it up. It’s a retcon since Gogeta wasn’t originally cannon until Super: Broly.
@@romello0287 They said they were EQUAL trump cards not equally powerful trump cards. Meaning If gogeta or vegito showed up, they would get the job done but 1 is evidently more powerful
@@Zeno1781that’s not the only statement that says they’re equal,like the guy in the video said both fusions were totally retconned,there’s also an interview of a woman who works for toriyama who completely confirms in dbs that vegito=gogeta which is logical since goku and vegeta are more likely equal in power
@@Michael.Jordan_.69 Bring the secondary statement I’m not for disagreeing but it’s highly debatable For all we know, this could be the same “Golden frieza has 1 quadrillion battle power”
People act like Vegito vs Gogeta is a stomp. We know vegito is the superior fusion but at best it's an extreme diff. The gap between Vegeta and Goku isn't that large so it barely makes a noticeable difference
No, Potara has been stated to be a lot more powerful than fusion in everyway. The only people who say "they are the same" are gogeta fans and there is no sources for it. Keep crying
You also forget that to make the dance fusion the characters need to put their power level to the same lvl which nerf gogeta from the start meanwhile for potara fusion it isn’t even needed so technically vegito should be stronger by a margin.
@@B0NZY Every recent piece of material that compares them says they are equal. One old guide even said Fusion was superior. But Vegito fanboys are so mad about him not being stronger that they keep clinging to old, outdated stuff. Forget whatever was said in 1995. That's irrelevant now.
Imo I think it depends. If it's the anime version, there's a chance vegito MIGHT'VE lost to broly due to the shortened time limit. but in the manga, I'm pretty sure it was stated that vegito defused quicker because SSJB was leaking too much ki. Now in the manga goku and vegeta have MSSJB where they don't leak ki as much atleast which means he'd have a longer time limit. which means he would decimate broly
It's the same as with gotenks, the time limit isn't shorten, but gotenks just happen to not be able to hold ssj3 for enough time, since he could only use the form for 5 minutes, he use it in the last 5 minutes of the fusion. Gotenks doesn't defuse become of too much power, he defuses because he runs out of energy, thus, ending the fusion, just like ssj4 gogeta
4:41 He also felt Gotenks defuse within him and experienced a steep power drop, so he'd know exactly how strong the Fusion Dance is without witnessing it firsthand.
I think the fusion dances time limit depends on the max power of the characters fusing. We see ssj4 gogeta defuse against omega and ssj3 Gotenks defuse like every time he uses it. The max power of Goku and vegeta was super saiyan 4 in gt and trunks and Goten didn’t even achieve super saiyan 3 which is why they defuse as soon as they use it. Which is why in this case a gogeta blue who fights zamasu would 100% defuse like vegito blue. And in the broly movie, since Goku and vegeta go far past super saiyan blue, gogeta doesn’t defuse and his 30 minutes stays as 30 minutes. So if we do see an ultra gogeta, then hes not lasting long.
exactly this. idk why people act like the fusion time no longer decreases, gotenks in dragon ball super defuses before 30 minutes is up CONSTANTLY for using all his power at once. gogeta in the broly movie is stated to not even be using more than a hint of power, we KNOW he has at least 4 stronger forms he's not using. evolution blue, evolutlion blue kaioken, ui omen, and MUI. 5 forms if you also wana count blue kaioken. in any case gogeta isn't even CLOSE to using full strength on broly, even in his ssjb form he wasn't trying. where as vegito had to go all out to try and brute force through zamasu's immortal body. gogeta would of lacked the power and time to do what vegito did there, he'd be beaten brutally, before resorting to kaioken blue, and still fail to do significant damage.
@@prodecks6654problem: at the time Goku couldn't access Ultra Instinct, and the Super Broly movie is a continuation to both the anime and manga (and blue evolution doesn't exist in the manga, so it doesn't exist in the movie either. Same goes for SSJ Blue Kaioken.) All the statement means is that they're probably holding back to extend their fusion time as much as possible while still overwhelming Broly.
First of all, a dragon ball villain’s reading of their power is like vegeta’s readings They’re clearly invalid Super buu, despite being weaker than gohan, felt gohan’s power and thought he was stronger at first So we can’t even go off any of super buu’s statements Second, super buu is the embodiment of evil, or almost So a soul punisher would one tap super buu.
And also, base gogeta would quite literally beat the shit out of Janemba If a ssj1 gogeta, moved too fast for Janemba to even see his punches (from a few meters distance), each hit from gogeta put a dent into him, and he had soul punisher which still one taps Janemba Gogeta likes to use forms way stronger than his opponent Ssj4 gogeta against omega shenron for example Ssjb gogeta against broly for example Each no diffed the person they fought
Gogeta blue would one tap fused zamasu with soul punisher, since it’s different from a spirit sword As with buu, we saw the spirit bomb slowly cause buu to erode, not literally erase him like what happened to Janemba Considering the spirit sword worked on Zamasu, a spirit breaker would too It would completely erase him, leaving not a single trace Apart from the spirit sword, which trunks only cut him in half, he didn’t engulf him in the spirit sword
Something I don't see anyone mentioning is that DBS SSGSS Gogeta *DOESN'T* use Soul Punisher. In every *single* game DBS Gogeta is in, the rainbow orb attack he uses is referred to as " *Stardust Breaker* ", whilst in the exact same games DBZ Gogeta's move is called "Soul Punisher". DBS Gogeta doesn't ever use Soul Punisher, it's a simple nod to Fusion Reborn for the nostalgic fans.
The soul punisher is the stardust breaker with just a different name. I've seen the one DBS Gogeta use be called god punisher before. It's just a different name for the same attack.
@morphstarchangeling8024 that's my point. If it was the same technique they'd just refer to it by its name. But the fact they went out their way to give it a different name shows they aren't the same technique. Not to mention that the games don't get to decide the names, they have to consult the actual writers of the show to get the names
@@jamarii6637 i get what example you're tryna make but it doesn't work for 2 reasons. The most obvious one, the Kamehameha *is* canon? Im sure its been used over 300 times so full force *KAMEHAMEHA* is just a kamehameha... at full force. Now if the kamehameha was called smth like "Stardust Cannon" or smth, then yes ur point would stand. But since the rainbow orb attack is "Stardust breaker" and not "Stardust Soul Punisher" then your example doesnt really work :/
All the games that called it "Stardust Breaker" LONG before Super happened: It is litterally the same thing, they only did it like that because "Stardust Breaker" fits more with DBS Gogeta's other attack names, but "Soul Punisher" was already in the game. Hell, even Sparking Zero calls DBZ Gogeta's "variation" "Stardust Breaker" further proving that, yes, they are the same attack.
@@MadderEmo how? he literally thinks gogeta wouldn't be enough to beat buuhan, that's so damn wrong. he thinks the rival boost is so big to the point vegito eclipses him
@ because that’s all true , the rival boost isn’t the only thing that far eclipses gogeta neither. This isn’t downplay this is all literally facts. Use the anime , manga and guides to debunk it. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean it’s not true
@JusKiyoshithe rival boost is a big difference cause its literally said that buu saga vegito is stronger than a hypothetical gokhan and gohan is stronger than vegeta and goku
This logic is flawed cause the villain who’s saying it has a fusion at his utmost potential inside of him with the wisdom of piccolo who understands the concept of fusion and has one of the highest IQs in the franchise , also as well this SAME VILLAIN HAS FOUGHT GOKU , VEGETA & GOHAN and knows how strong they are at their best. Also might I add before leading to those statements elder kai and basically gave a whole 2 page summary of how POTARA IS STRONGER AND BETTER , so it made sense that Buu saying the fusion dance wouldn’t beat them adds up
It's good to see that someone's debunking the Dance = Potara rhetoric. Here's some thoughts: 5:20 "Super Boo is arrogant" is actually debunkable. Notably, Super Boo is usually willing to acknowledge when someone is stronger than him (Ultimate Gohan, even Vegetto himself), so it's safe to say that his predictions are usually accurate. 6:24 I actually think that this is a little questionable; GT Perfect Files isn't the perfect source (It erroneously claims that Gohan never stopped training even though Atushi Maekawa, a GT writer, claimed that this was somewhat untrue), and plus, SSJ3 Goku (post-Potara) and Kid Boo, universal threats, are implied to be in a similar range of power to Gotenks, whose components should be solar system level at best. 7:54 Shaking a universe isn't too crazy, that's just multi-solar system level to galaxy level. Either way, Boo saga characters are universal (Goku claims that Kid Boo can make the universe go "poof", implying it'll be destroyed quickly). 9:02 Vegeta is still dead, Gotenks doesn't have SSJ3, Gohan doesn't have Ultimate, Goku is still dead, so it's more likely that Goku just killed Innocent Boo and returned to the afterlife. According to Koyama, movies aren't made with full knowledge of the manga's future. 9:15 This is because he imprisoned King Enma. 9:45 Multiple guidebooks imply that Boo saga Vegetto was the strongest even in comparison to Movie 12 Gogeta, so I personally think he would. 10:34 Maybe that's just because Gogeta knew his time limit was shortened, so in the Broli movie, he went about things appropriately. 12:18 The "Soul Punisher" was never changed, it was always like that. Gogeta was still ready to fight the kid that Janenba possessed, implying that he either didn't know he could purify souls, or he never did, and the kid would have come out anyways. Plus, if it could do that, why didn't Vegetto use it at all? 14:23 Based. Amazing video. God bless.
It’s important to note that Super Buu tends to be over confident when he is winning. We see this when Gohan first shows up, against Vegito, and when Goku shows up. I don’t think Buuhan could’ve beaten a hypothetical Buu saga Gogeta
@@Chckster He later admits that he knew Gohan was stronger than him, so he was likely either putting up a facade or just sensing Gohan's resting ki, which wouldn't match with his all-out ki. The latter is the same for Vegetto, since even Vegetto admitted that his initial ki wasn't all he had and he was underestimating himself. We also simply have no reason to believe that Gotenks Boo's claims when Goku arrived were invalid.
@ Yes, that’s after Gohan beats him up. He started to lose. Before that he was winning against Gotenks and was confident he could beat Gohan too. The same thing happened with Vegito, Buu was confident and was wrong. I think Buu was just overestimating his initial abilities as he always does. When he has the advantage he just assumes he’s above everyone and is usually wrong. The best example of this is against Ultimate Gohan.
@ Gohan claims that Boo was just trying to be sure of his power. To quote Herms's strength checker: Gohan: “I see…So you tried testing your power just to be sure, and I really was above you…That’s too bad, Majin Boo.” I honestly don't think that Boo got a fully accurate measure of Gohan's ki, seeing as he was all the way in the Kaioshin's realm. Either way, he instantly changed his tune upon realizing that he was indeed wrong, which is more than people like Cell and Freeza can do. Plus, he also made the plan to absorb Gotenks the moment he sensed Gohan's ki, so it's not like he thought he would curbstomp there. He's also not arrogant enough to take risks (His quote about being above Gogeta is made when attempting to kill Goku and Vegeta), so it's not like he thinks he can beat everyone. His incorrect assumptions are simply because he senses someone's resting ki or is far away from his enemies, meaning he just doesn't have a viable source of knowledge for those fighters.
No it’s jump promotional for the Broly movie which refers to both fusions being equal triumph cards in result. MEANING WHOEVER VEGITO OR GOGETA FIGHTS THEY SHOULD BE STRONGER THAN AND SHOULD WIN
@@MadderEmo Most scans from jump are promotional material anyways, so that doesn't really matter tbh. And yes, Herms verbatim translates it as "equally-matched ultimate trump cards" - Even if you're arguing that they're talking about them being equally good winning conditions, that would still give the connotation you're saying they're equal.
@ no that wouldn’t … if me and you could both beat someone up that doesn’t mean WERE BOTH EQUALLY MATCHED TRIUMPH CARDS TO HANDLE THE SITUATION , but that doesn’t mean now I can beat you in a fight because we both could beat the same person or that I’m equal to you. Which herms already got debunked on as it again refers to getting the job done not being in comparison to power
3:35 I’d rather not trust Buuhan’s words, since his personality is an accumulation of the people he’s merged with. Gohan and Gotenks were extremely cocky by the time they were absorbed, and even Piccolo is cocky. Many times have we been proven that a character’s words aren’t true, like Goku thinking that Gotenks could defeat fat Buu, etc.
I kinda have to disagree on two things. 1: Gogeta losing to Merged Zamasu. Though this one is more of a technicality than anything as while Infinite Zamasu would still exist and would still need Zeno, Merged Zamasu would still be defeated, and that’s still a victory. 2, the bigger one: the reasoning for Hypo Buu Gogeta losing to Super Buuhan. This kinda falls apart when we consider how fusion works. It works by multiplying the power of the two fusees rather than the add then magnify like the characters think. This is relevant because of base power and transformations. Goku and Vegeta’s base power are about even. When they both access SSJ2, they are around even. This means a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegeta would have the similar power to SSJ3 Goku. And then there’s Gokhan. Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Goku are similar in power. You guys can argue about who is exactly stronger but there are two things we can agree on; Base Goku is stronger than Base Gohan and the Ultimate form is a better power Multiplier, since we know SSJ2 Goku was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, meaning the same is true for their base and in order for Gohan to gain strength near equal to Goku, his transformation must give him more power. Here’s where things get tricky. So a hypothetical Gokhan is confirmed to be able to beat Buu. But in what form? Considering Fusion can have a form that one or both fusees don’t have, and the lack of any Gold or longer hair, then it’s highly likely Gokhan is either in base or Ultimate. And they don’t get a rival boost. If it’s base, then I don’t need to explain why Gogeta who share a fusee and has a stronger base fusee than Gokhan wins. If it’s Ultimate, then we get a slightly lower base with a slightly stronger multiplier (Gohkan) vs a slightly higher base with a slightly lower multiplier (Gogeta). Either way, Ultimate Gokhan and SSJ3 Gogeta should be around the same ballpark in power (again you can argue who you think is stronger, but they are close to even). So if one can beat Buuhan, the other can too. And if you want to argue Gogeta will defuse in five minutes because at the time Gotenks did as well, well at the time Gogeta has an attack that solves this problem. The Soul Punisher (I’m using this name because that’s what it was called at the time and what other media use for Super Gogeta). Since this is the Z era, it should have the same properties as in Fusion Reborn. Meaning it can erase all the evil in Buu while restoring all the good people inside including Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and very high potentially Fat Buu. So he has no need for the plan to have Buu absorb him and no need to waste time. Especially since Goku watched Gotenks fight Buu and would know about the power draining the time limit. So a hypothetical Buu Saga Gogeta should beat Super Buuhan.
9:45 this is where I disagree, even if Vegito is weaker than jenemba. He is weak against insults, and Vegito is the most jackass MF I’ve ever seen, he’d win.
Dude, you forgot one thing with Gogeta vs Buuhan Stardust Breaker Now hear me out, Stardust Breaker can only do serious damage to evil beings, such as Janemba. When he got hit by the technique, all of the evil spirits were obliterated and only the good hearted dude was left. That means that a theoretical Buu Saga Gogeta could've one-shot Super Buu and left Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, Gohan, Good Buu and everyone else he absorbed, for example Chi-Chi, alive and safe. And no, Stardust Breaker was never changed to remove the evil erasing aspect, just the fact that something isn't mentioned in a long time doesn't automatically mean it is no longer like that. For example, around the Saiyan Saga it was officially mentioned that you need a power level of at least 10000 to destroy a planet, yet it has never been mentioned since. So according to your reasoning it is no longer true that you need that power level to destroy a planet. And even if that's not enough, you can clearly see how the Stardust Breaker, AKA the attack that can only hurt evil beings, did no damage AT ALL to Broly, AKA the guy who quote "wasn't evil, but just overcome with rage" Hereby I digress to your opinion, Gogeta would've absolutely been more than enough to kill Super Buu AND save the absorved ones at the same time
@timaeustanis359 And Final Kamehameha is a Vegetto-exclusive technique, despite Gogeta doing it in Ultimate Battle 22. You really have no proof that Vegetto can't do a Stardust Breaker.
In db, ki over hax. Since buu had more hax and strenght, he would still win regardless despite that blast. Also stardust is just a fancy ki blast name lmao not erasure cuz evil
actually, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks didn't shorten the fusion time, he could only be used during 5 minutes in the fusion, as shown in the Manga, he returned to Super Saiyan form after the 5 minutes passed.
Small correction, Goku and Vegeta were equal in base, ssj and ssj2 at this time. Goku having ssj3 is irrelevant to the fusion as they fused at base anyway.
This is actually wrong, 1:34, because that happens with the potara. Fusion doesn't end shorter, no matter the power up. The fusion dance design is meant to last exactly 30 minutes to keep fighting at full potential. In fact, fusion has shown such greater potential for Gogeta always wins while Vegito always loses or doesn't finish his battles. Akira Toriyama confirmed this saying that they are actually even in power. And villians speeches always don't go in their favour, they are just arrogant. Gogeta would win against Buu through power alone, since fusion was changes twice, gogeta in the most recent canon movie: DragonBall Super: Broly, gogeta states that fusion is superior and doesn't add their strengths but multiplies them significantly, Gogeta beats Buu. And Gogeta in the Future trunks arc is significantly weaker than he was in the movie, for goku and vegeta are way stronger in the 2018 movie then in the future trunks arc. If we had current Gogeta Blue, the fight would be over against zamasu.
gogeta AND vegito have the same fusion time limit issue idk why youre using manga and not stating the fact vegito lasted 40 minutes we know this from the panel with supreme kai with a clock talking about it. Nothing in cannon tells you gogeta wouldnt defuse faster because unlike vegito gogeta paced him self because HE KNOWS he would defuse quickly. Information is key and vegito learned the hard way while gogeta knew from the get go
Nothing suggests that the S.P. wouldn't also destroy Zamasu's essence. When Gogeta beat Janemba, he did it by destroying the evil in the souls that were absorbed into Janemba, so th SOUL Punisher should be able to at least do that to Zamasu. In the very least, Zamasu's body would stay there, immortal, but he would be braindead.
1 vegitos blue transformation was imperfect in that arc not as the blue of broly movie 2 so gogetas would had the same problem by lasting 30 minutes jis ssjg in zamasu arc would last nothing due to imperfection too
Gogeta wouldn't be able to erase Zamasu even with Soul Punisher since Zamasu isn't evil, he strongely believe what he's doing is right and the only reason he's the "villain" is because his perception of what is right or wrong is different from Goku and Vegeta/Trunks.
You forgot to take into account that when vegito fought zamasu ssgss wasn't mastered like blue Goleta from Brody, the potara broke because the power of a not mastered ssgss that was just mastered in ToP, it doesn't change the fact tha5 vegito would win but is something to take into account when talking about the time limit
Soul Punisher erases Evil Broly isn't evil pretty simple Soul Punisher won't completely Erase Zamasu, maybe half of him because Zamasu isn't completely evil just Twisted he was stated to be Pure by Gowasu but in recent Sparking zero there's additional info about it Zamasu having a little bit of evil in him Janemba was completely erased because he was made out of Evil itself Gogeta in Broly movie didn't waste time and went straight to fight because if he defused, everything would've been destroyed and Goku and Vegeta learned from their mistake of wasting too much energy and time in Future trunks arc that's why he nearly killed broly because he didn't wanted everyone to die Hypothetical Vegito in Broly movie will end exactly the same Broly loses Vegito Wins by rushing the fight and ending it as quickly as possible Hypothetical Gogeta in Future trunks arc also ends exactly the same he transforms into Blue and starts beating up Zamasu but they defuse because of the Time limit
Which means when Gogeta uses the soul punisher another goku and a good Zamasu would been defused or still in the 1 hour fusion cause black is stated to be evil by characters like babidi
Just one thing. In the movie when gogeta was fighting broly gogeta wasted no time jumping to his highest level and bodied broly. If he truly had a time limit of 30 minutes he wouldnt have taken the fight that seriously. Its either he couldnt take a risk of broly getting stronger thsn him or he knew about vegitos shortened time and because of that rushed the fight. Gogeta slso knows the value of life as he is born for only 30 min he doesnt want to waste someones life that easily.
Another thing I remembered that is different in manga and anime Vegito Blue in anime lasted 5 minutes While in the manga he somehow lasted to almost 40 minutes, only defusing due to trying to use a full power Final Kamehameha
Actually broly of not being evil and consumed by rage is true because soul punisher still works the same because in dragon ball heroes when gogeta fought against hearts he also used soul punisher which eradicated him meaning soul punisher was not retconed and is still same it didn't work on broly because he is actually not evil. Noi I know heores is non canon but still I thought I should bring this point up
Gogeta absolutely can still defuse if he uses up too much power. They LEARNED this during the vegito fight. This is why Gogeta fights Broly in SSJ1 and not immediately into blue. He also didn't have to go 100% because Broly was not a trained fighter, AND because he didnt have infinite stamina/regen. Side note: Vegito slams Janemba by calling him names.
Pretty sure he knew of his time restraints yet he was ready to fight golden frieza right after going full power ssb against broly? (and yes, he did go 100% as he was trying to secure the kill because if he didn't, broly would adapt and overwhelm him)
You can’t just say janemba’s feats is vastly superior to all buu saga characters without any evidence of it. They both did the same thing and I’d argue Buuhan did it to a higher level as it was going to bring about the destruction of the universe , Janemba only warped it. You would have to prove via scaling or how janemba’s feat is out right higher. As well as Goku shaking the afterlife doesn’t necessarily means he’s stronger then canon goku as shaking the afterlife is calc to multi galaxy ( low to fair end ) - low universal ( high end ) Mean while Goku can go blow for blow with kid buu who has multiple universal statements and was stated that he was going to blow up heaven which is universal in size. It’s easy to prove how most movie characters are stronger then their anime counterparts but janemba movie isn’t one of them.
The reason why vegito against zamasu defused so quickly unlike Gogeta against Broly us because vegito when heure fough zamasu, didnt get access of ssjblue full power that reduce every ki problem of the transformation.
In my head canon both of them are pretty much around the same levels of strength like one might be a little bit stronger than the other so if you put them in the place of the other i believe it wouldn’t change much the outcome, both of them beat their enemies
things wrong with this video Using statements a villain said as SOLID proof when it has been shown it wasn't the case at 6:26 saying ssj4 gogeta which is NON canon btw is dozen of times stronger then ssj4 which that should obviously not be the case if we're using logic like this then we should bring up v scan saying buuhan is as strong as ssj3 goku since we wanna be non canon also in the buu saga vegeta AND goku were equal in their bases, the thing that made goku stronger was the fact he had ssj3 and vegeta didnt. Even then gogeta could literally just one shot buuhan with a soul punisher which he didn't even BRING up in this video. all in all overwanked vegito to the moon and lowballed gogeta into oblivion the bias this man is showing is so massive it makes me mad, gogeta slams buuhan, don't know about zamasu due to him not being PURE evil and just being misguided. and most importantly in my opinion gogeta WOULD get a rival boost. It has NEVER been stated once not even a singular time that it was potara exclusive! i rest my case. do better nuchareviews smh i don't EVER wanna see you downplaying gogeta again with non canon statements
The jenemba movie could take place after Vegetas sacrifice and when goku gets taken back to the otherworld and mr Satan would be with buu during this time
I could be wrong but where can I find information about janemba reality warping? The only information I found was on the Daisenshuu 3 part 162 where it was stated that all janemba did was seal the mayor representats of hell distrupting the cicle of life and death.
the thing is that it is hard to actually know which one is supposed to be stronger when they're both treated like equals, a lot of statements say potarra is stronger but that seems to be exclusive to z, then we have what we actually see in the show, I highly doubt gotenks was just a little stronger than trunks of goten because if that was the case then he would get stomped by buu even in ssj3, then we have super which ignores everything said about the pottara and fusion dance and treats them as equal and finally we have the dbs broly movie where toriyama straight up calls gogeta and vegito equal in the promotion of the movie which means that even with all the statements he still treated them as equal so it is really hard to decide what to go with for either statements.
You forgot one thing, just because someone transforms doesn't mean they can't beat their enemy in a weaker form, for example: Goku went ssb against Krillin, did he need ssb to beat Krillin? No, base Goku was keeping up with Tamagami no. 3, in ssj Tamagami 3 couldn't even touch Goku and in ssj2 Goku one shot Tamagami 3, so in conclusion they transform to end fights quicker/they use god ki forms so non god ki users can't sense their ki.
The idea that the Fusion dance is billions of times weaker than the Potara is wrong, it’s definitely weaker but not by the extremes where just because Buu thinks it’s not enough, means it’s not enough. Also claiming that the Fusion dance using more energy doesn’t cause the fusion to defuse faster is wrong since SS4 Gogeta defuses in 10 minutes. Gotenks does the same in 5 minutes in SSJ3 (idk how it’s preserved for 30 minutes once he’s in Buu but whatever). And against Broly, Gogeta isn’t even using SSB for half the fight and the whole fight is 10 minutes long AND it takes place after the ToP where Goku and Vegeta naturally got much better at using SSB and conserving energy (like Goku and Vegeta literally get forms above SSB between the Goku black arc and Broly movie)
This Guy is....... he said super buu doesnt beat gogeta .... all these articals and manga info and this and that Bro.... He has soul punisher Buu is COMPLETELY EVIL and it wouldve also freed the others .. i think piccolo ehh idk Vegito Vs Janemba not a question Vegito? Not even debatable. Vegito For OBVIOUS REASONS Bro theres so many things wrong in this video im not going through bro ABSOLUTELY does not watch the show People also need to know When it comes to broly Vs Vegito Manga Vegito Wins anime Vegito Loses or he gonna have to K*ll Him In the Manga controlling SSB was a Problem then they learn to control it. Vegito would slam broly In the Anime the ONLY CLOSEST thing to even talk about controlling god ki Is when whis is training Goku and Vegeta telling them their energy is leaking out and they punch each other giving a ssb teaser search up "goku and vegeta aee ssb for the first time" Another is when they are trapped in the Staff and they have to control it there. Yeah THEY ALREADY LEARNED HOW TO CONTROL IT AND THEY STILL Split Goku literally explains thiis when going kioken ssb for the first time or he wouldve died... Did you guys not watch the anime???? Thats what got him ssb kioken And what happen THEY STILL SPLIT MEANING vegito gotta get rid of him in a short amount of time Or theyll defuse and both die Gogeta vs Zamasu? Yeah Gogeta Gets destroyed... Permanen fusion? Potara? His strongest move doesn't Work? Immortality? ... Bros dead.. Soul punisher does not work on Zamasu ... THINK ABOUT IT PLSSSS Omega Vs Vegito SSJ4 I say ssj4 bc i wouldnt be possible for them to have god Ki they would have to become monkey Anyways Vegito Slams And the fact this guy didnt remember what Vegito said: Its Quality Not Quantity My friend Dont Compare Gotenks to Gogeta bro lets be real Stop it
One thing youve fprgotten in gogeta vs buuhan is that goku and vegetas base power levels are around weaker after majin vegeta, shown by their 1v1. Goku was only stronger because he had ssj3 in his arsenal. Since fusion dance they would have to have equal power levels, that would put theirs only a little bit under the power
You gave Gogeta this buff fyi. Why wouldn't Gogeta just use Soul Punisher on Buuhan? Wouldn't that unabsorb Buuhan and leave him as just Evil Buu or even just Kid Buu? If so then Gogeta wins this easily.
You could also argue that the soul punisher, even if it did work like in dbz wouldnt work on zamasu as he's been shown to not exactly be straight up evil but more misguided
gotenks in dragon ball super defuses quickly due to using too much power though? also gogeta blue wasn't using "Too much power" he is shown and stated in guides to not be using even a hint of his true power.
Im a bit confused. Are you taking hypothetical Gogetas but just placing Vegetto into different arcs? You say a hyothetical Gogeta blue, but not a hypothetical Vegetto blue.
vegito changing places with gogeta wont change anything, vegito wins against gogeta due to power and time diferences, however, their gaps are not big enough to matter against their villains and would just matter against themselves (also this shit is ridiculous cuz if gogeta fuses on the buu saga he would scale to the buu saga and vegito scale to the Z movie cuz their power is an unknow multiplier of their parts, is like saying VB will be zamasu level if he fused on the broly arc lmao)
also no, stardust breaker AND the soul punisher does not have an extra effect, both are a strong ki ball in their respective canons (the actual canon and the movies own side canon)
If we're being accurate and not holding any bias towards vegito or my goat, even though vegito's stronger, I feel like gogeta might actually have an easier time with his villina due to his soul punisher ability, since it purified evil wouldn't super buu just turn back to Majin buu, and I'm not necessarily sure what would happen if goku black got hit with it but it might effect him in some way to where he isn't yk, goku black anymore
A Hypothetical Gogeta vs Buuhan still isn't close and Gogeta wins. Whether they use the fusion dance of the potara fusion both are showcased to have higher power than the two individuals. Base Vegito was above SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan and since Gogeta is weaker you could say that he's stronger than SSJ3 Goku but is around the strength of Ultimate Gohan. NTM that Gogeta most likely has SSJ2 and SSJ3 at hand but to make the fight fair he could only use SSJ, Even if you want to claim that Buuhan is still stornger than a SSJ Gogeta from the Buu saga go ahead but that means Gogeta shouldn't be far off in power and since he has better IQ. BIQ, Speed and abilities. he should win with little trouble but that's just my opinion honestly. Great video btw no hate.
gogeta defusing from using too much power I think they getting that from gt ssj4 was the only one to full on defuse if too strong then vegito did it in super gotenks didn’t do it he went back to base and defuses after the timer he never flat out defused because he was too strong. so gogeta probably wouldn’t either and just go to base but because ppl chose what they use they’ll ignore it ,honestly same ppl ignoring that times have changed and last we got on the earrings is a angel saying the power is the two merging and multiplied and gogeta saying our two power isn’t just added together but significantly magnified and it’s stuff like that where they say it but ppl ignore it and go to the old sources that still say vegito doesn’t defuse and then they talk about the dance has to lower their power to fuse but never show goku saying once that this will make the fusion weaker but ignore it’s ä method of fusion as u are merging into one but still wanna say it’ll make it weaker even tho it’s never said that once goku didn’t even mention it to vegeta they just fused. if we gonna use old statements use current ones too. they are equal trump cards if one was stronger than the other u wouldn’t be ä equal…. There’s a reason vegeta said goku was stronger at the end of z and not his equal because they weren’t equal at the time u get my point.
Only saw 7 minutes and already downplaying GT. SSJ 4 Gogeta is dozens of times stronger than a ssj4 and base vegito is at least 400 times stronger than a base buu saga goku?... whats the point? First: base GT goku was already stronger than ssj3 buu saga. Second: SSJ4 is stronger than SSJ3, so taking that base vegito is 400 times stronger than a ssj3 is irrelevant since base GT gogeta should be much much stronger than a 400 times ssj3 from buu saga, to be fair I see an hypothetical gogeta fusion from buu saga being completely able to destroy buhaan, but he may need at least ssj2 or ssj3, I was expecting to take into consideration the time limit, if gogeta should go ssj2 or ssj3 and that reduces his time limit too, his stragety, that would have been interesting. I dont see buuhan and any other villians statements too seriously as mostly all of them claim to either being the strongest warrior in the universe and prove to be wrong mostly the entire series lol. Also I personally always being a vegito fan, but that first 7 minutes were the worst analisis, bad logic and conclusion I have ever seen
i think you're a little confused. the guide book states that ssj4 gogeta is dozens of times stronger than a ssj4 goku, with fusion dance requiring both warriors at equal power level, this basically states that a ssj4 gogeta would only be 24-96x stronger than either goku or vegeta in super saiyan 4. this 24-96x would also be the same for their base forms, as the super saiyan 4 multiplier is the same whether they're in fusion or not. base vegeto in the guide was stated to be stronger than a ssj3 goku. this implies that vegeto is at least 400x stronger than base goku tldr: gogeta is only 24-96x stronger than goku or vegeta while vegeto is more than 400x stronger than either of them.
@@LiEVOzz that 24 and 96 is NOT reffering to their base forms, why would it be like that? It states that gogeta is stronger than ssj4 not base goku and vegeta. Yes vegeto is stronger than BUU SAGA ssj3 goku in base which base GT goku already scales higher. Again, that logic makes 0 sense since it isnt saying that gogeta is only dozens of times stronger than base vegeta and goku, it states that is stronger than a ssj4 goku, this is also irrelevant as base GT goku has feats and statements that put him above ssj3 goku from BUU SAGA So base vegeto>ssj3 goku GT goku>ssj3 goku BASE GT gogeta >>>>>>>>>>GT goku>>>>>base vegeto>>>>>ssj3 goku
@estebanmedinad8370 it literally states that ssj4 gogeta is 24-96x stronger than ssj4 goku. if this is the case, then if gogeta de transforms he'd only be about 24-96x stronger than goku or vegeta. also, you're kind of dumb. the whole point of this argument was to see if goku and vegeta IN THE BUU SAGA using the fusion dance would beat buu, not ssj4 gogeta. hed obviously no diff characers from the buu saga
@@LiEVOzz 0 sense gogeta ssj4 is dozens of times stronger than an ordinary ssj4, ssj4 is stronger than base goku and vegeta, so if gogeta goes to base he Will still be stronger than a ssj4, dozens of times is clearly not the multiplier for gogeta ssj4, since the oficial multipliers for ssj 1 2 and 3 are about 50 to 100 to 400 times base, its not that difficult to comprehend, so making gogeta "dozens" of times stronger than a ssj4 contradicts ssj oficial multipliers
@@LiEVOzz The point of that was to downplay ever more gogeta, it makes 0 sense to first: use a character and transformations far beyond what we saw in BUU SAGA and say that his multiplier at the Best transformation is not even equal to a ssj2 multipliers, the correct thing to scale would be that a base gogeta from buu saga is already stronger than ssj3 at least, not as strong as base vegito since the unknown rival multiplier but still enough to maybe match buuhan with a ssj2 or maybe 3 to be enough. The arguments of buuhan are vague because he only saw a weaker versión of the fusión dance between characters that are weaker than goku and vegeta
the "vegito vs gogeta" debate is cool and all, but some people take it WAY too far, you can like a character all you want and you can get upset when said character loses in a debate, but damn. i was in this discord server and a gogeta fan was sending death threats. i like gogeta as much as the next guy (he's my favorite fusion), but god damn like chill out its just some silly anime debate about fictional characters its not that deep.
The afterlife is alot bigger than a universe as heaven alone is as big as the universe and heaven was stated to be so small compared to afterlife that it vanishes
Yeah sadly gogeta got calc up to vegito in super and is litteraly stated multiple times in dbs broly interview by editors and akira himself. So you're just straight up wrong
As a gogeta fan I don’t know about the whole power debate between Vegito and gogeta but if gogeta fight any form of boo, he would win no matter what because of his soul punisher and when you said you think it’s only a movie thing you even clarified that it wasn’t confirmed it was a movie thing so that still checks and Gogita would lose to Zamasu because he’s not pure evil he wouldn’t be able to destroy Zamasu’s body
9:45 wait i was so confused , why would you end on saying buu saga vegito loses, i feel like it makes more sense to say that fusion reborn vegito *does* win
There is also a statement from DBZ where Gogeta is stated to be the superior fusion. "But still, Gogeta combined is more balanced and powerfull, therefore Gogeta (long term comparison) should win!" Those statements are legit panels from databooks yet you vegito fans seem to ignore it completely and bring up stuff like the rival boost?? The rival boost also counts for Gogeta as its just a boost for characters who are rivals if they fuse?
Other guidebooks say the opposite. Even V-Jump, *your source*, called Vegetto the strongest in a section right next to *Movie 12 Gogeta*. V-Jump is the only source that dares put the Dance near Potara, and they claimed that Gohan Boo = SSJ3 Goku, so they aren't a viable source at all.
@InfernoCleric384 Yeah and the same guides that say potara is stronger also say straight up wrong stuff like how the Dragon Ball universe only has 4 galaxies
@@Vindication1134 Regardless, more guides say Vegetto > Gogeta than Gogeta = Vegetto or Gogeta > Vegetto. Even without them, it's never stated in direct canon that Gogeta = Vegetto. The only one to even remotely imply it is Piccolo in the Moro arc, when he claimed that both Fusion and Potara would be rendered useless by Moro's FSF, and it's possible that this was only because Piccolo didn't understand that you could just blitz Moro.
Vegito would clear janemba idk borly not because he's weak but because of the time limit if we give vegito the full 1 hour time limit he would win since he doesn't have a reason to play with broly Gogeta would and wouldn't beat buu since just like vegito he would try to make buu absorb him or he would just use a soul punishers to destroy the evil in buu leaving the kids , Gohan and piccolo and probably fat buu But he isn't beating zamasu not even soul punishers is saveing him he would last longer than vegito but he would be able to kill an immortal so yh Vegito clears janemba and borly Gogeta clears buu but isn't beating zamasu
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There is no rival boost. You are taking statements out of context. When Vegetto was fighting Buu, Kibishin was amazed by how powerful he was, and attributed it to the Potara. Old Kai then called him a fool and said it was because Goku and Vegeta fused, 2 of the strongest fighters in the universe. And it doesn't hurt that they live to outdo each other. In other words, he was saying iron sharpens iron. Because Goku and Vegeta have trained to outdo each other, they, themselves are strong, not some rival boost.
Old Kai specifically listed off what makes Potara the stronger fusion.
1) It doesn't require learning a silly dance.
2) It doesn't have a time limit.
In regards to the power of the character, regardless which version is used, their power would be the same.
so what does sjgt gogegta do in all this
A villain saying a fusion wouldn't be able to beat him isn't evidence. He's just being arrogant like every other villain out there.
It's funny because he goes on to debunk this claim
@@itousatha5359 exactly lol
A villain saying that & then the whole segment of building up Potara fusion is actually literally proof of that
Yeah, Buu is simply overestimating his own power
Yeah but then you have to remember that buu has seen them perform the fusion,absorbed the fusion,absorbed piccolo who taught fusion to goten and trunks and on top of that has access to all their memories,so the odds are stacking to him telling the truth. He also has no reason to lie here. Plus the fact that you have to use a trope to defend gogeta is crazy to me.
Bro really said Gogeta can’t beat super buu because Super buu said so.
someone’s crying,if you look attentively to the video he actually explained this isn’t only that
@@Michael.Jordan_.69 And his explanation was head canon and bad, so it is not credible.
@@Michael.Jordan_.69 vegito was smashing and kicking the hell out of buu, what you talking about?
@@user-fz7ml5mr4w what are YOU talking about here man ? no one talked about vegito in those 2 comments
@ I watched and he said exactly that because he claimed buu knew how strong gotenks were when they fuse so he will “know” the same with Goku and vegeta but yet he provided no proof of that….he even used the fact that he absorbed piccolo as evidence of that like huh? Because he now has wisdom….wisdom doesn’t mean All knowing so buu was just Granted “All knowing” just because….hence why I said he made that argument just because Buu said so…..I can make the argument that Buu thought if they fused they would only be as strong as Gotenks hence why he said it wouldn’t be enough because he was now stronger than gotenks it was a stupid argument and you are just as stupid to believe it.
I think Gogeta smiling after Broly was not affected by the stardust breaker is Gogeta acknowledging that Broly is pure good unlike DBZ Broly.
Fun Theory, but sadly the move he uses on broly isn’t the same as the one in fusion reborn (only appearance it’s similar)
@ no, both names are right, actually Stardust Breaker is the more common name, while Soul Punisher is the one that is hardly used.
Stardust breaker doesnt erase the evil, it would be stupid if gogeta used it against broly knowing that he wasnt evil at all
When goku paralyzed broly he knew it
@alejandror6088 same move different names
@@PralayaThanatos never said anything about the names
vegito only defused early because blue was unreliable, in the manga its shown better than in the anime. Blue was so unbalanced that it split the potara not due to raw power, but due to it not being mastered/perfected yet. If Gogeta used blue in that same time period he would also defuse early due to blue's imperfections.
cap i dont think it was stated anywhere that fusion also had the same downsides as potara. Unless gogeta blue was nerfing himself perfectly to where he wouldnt fuse mid fight using all them strong ah moves i dont think the power nerf applies to gogeta. Otherwise there would be zero point of having another fusion variant thats created by a special race of ppl we dont hear much about just for it to be weaker with draw backs
@lightsofdeath5590 i had a stroke trying to read this
@psebb3502 brain dead db fans can never read for shi. Acting like I typed in one piece hieroglyphics
@psebb3502respectfully after seeing fused Zamasu tank a final kamehameha point blank and has NO visible damage from it I fisagre
Toriyama said either fusion technique results in a fusion with the same level of power aslong as the people making the fusion dont change. it was when the super Broly movie was coming out. you can look it up, Vegito and Gogeta are equal in power.
They aren’t
@@Zeno1781 Akira Toriyama the guy that made the series said they are. Look it up. It’s a retcon since Gogeta wasn’t originally cannon until Super: Broly.
@@romello0287
They said they were EQUAL trump cards not equally powerful trump cards.
Meaning If gogeta or vegito showed up, they would get the job done but 1 is evidently more powerful
@@Zeno1781that’s not the only statement that says they’re equal,like the guy in the video said both fusions were totally retconned,there’s also an interview of a woman who works for toriyama who completely confirms in dbs that vegito=gogeta which is logical since goku and vegeta are more likely equal in power
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Bring the secondary statement
I’m not for disagreeing but it’s highly debatable
For all we know, this could be the same
“Golden frieza has 1 quadrillion battle power”
People act like Vegito vs Gogeta is a stomp. We know vegito is the superior fusion but at best it's an extreme diff.
The gap between Vegeta and Goku isn't that large so it barely makes a noticeable difference
No, Potara has been stated to be a lot more powerful than fusion in everyway. The only people who say "they are the same" are gogeta fans and there is no sources for it. Keep crying
You also forget that to make the dance fusion the characters need to put their power level to the same lvl which nerf gogeta from the start meanwhile for potara fusion it isn’t even needed so technically vegito should be stronger by a margin.
@@B0NZY Every recent piece of material that compares them says they are equal. One old guide even said Fusion was superior. But Vegito fanboys are so mad about him not being stronger that they keep clinging to old, outdated stuff. Forget whatever was said in 1995. That's irrelevant now.
@Big_Rich_Town Goku and Vegeta are equal in base so Gogeta wouldn't actually lose any power
@@Big_Rich_Town yes exactly lol
Imo I think it depends. If it's the anime version, there's a chance vegito MIGHT'VE lost to broly due to the shortened time limit. but in the manga, I'm pretty sure it was stated that vegito defused quicker because SSJB was leaking too much ki. Now in the manga goku and vegeta have MSSJB where they don't leak ki as much atleast which means he'd have a longer time limit. which means he would decimate broly
It's the same as with gotenks, the time limit isn't shorten, but gotenks just happen to not be able to hold ssj3 for enough time, since he could only use the form for 5 minutes, he use it in the last 5 minutes of the fusion. Gotenks doesn't defuse become of too much power, he defuses because he runs out of energy, thus, ending the fusion, just like ssj4 gogeta
@jaizka yeah ig
as an enjoyer of both fusions these comments here make laugh, i swear you guys care to much sometimes lol
Obviously we care this dude quite literally said a ton of false information and expected there not to be back lash
4:41 He also felt Gotenks defuse within him and experienced a steep power drop, so he'd know exactly how strong the Fusion Dance is without witnessing it firsthand.
I think the fusion dances time limit depends on the max power of the characters fusing. We see ssj4 gogeta defuse against omega and ssj3 Gotenks defuse like every time he uses it. The max power of Goku and vegeta was super saiyan 4 in gt and trunks and Goten didn’t even achieve super saiyan 3 which is why they defuse as soon as they use it. Which is why in this case a gogeta blue who fights zamasu would 100% defuse like vegito blue. And in the broly movie, since Goku and vegeta go far past super saiyan blue, gogeta doesn’t defuse and his 30 minutes stays as 30 minutes. So if we do see an ultra gogeta, then hes not lasting long.
Frr
exactly this. idk why people act like the fusion time no longer decreases, gotenks in dragon ball super defuses before 30 minutes is up CONSTANTLY for using all his power at once. gogeta in the broly movie is stated to not even be using more than a hint of power, we KNOW he has at least 4 stronger forms he's not using. evolution blue, evolutlion blue kaioken, ui omen, and MUI. 5 forms if you also wana count blue kaioken. in any case gogeta isn't even CLOSE to using full strength on broly, even in his ssjb form he wasn't trying. where as vegito had to go all out to try and brute force through zamasu's immortal body. gogeta would of lacked the power and time to do what vegito did there, he'd be beaten brutally, before resorting to kaioken blue, and still fail to do significant damage.
@@prodecks6654problem: at the time Goku couldn't access Ultra Instinct, and the Super Broly movie is a continuation to both the anime and manga (and blue evolution doesn't exist in the manga, so it doesn't exist in the movie either. Same goes for SSJ Blue Kaioken.)
All the statement means is that they're probably holding back to extend their fusion time as much as possible while still overwhelming Broly.
First of all, a dragon ball villain’s reading of their power is like vegeta’s readings
They’re clearly invalid
Super buu, despite being weaker than gohan, felt gohan’s power and thought he was stronger at first
So we can’t even go off any of super buu’s statements
Second, super buu is the embodiment of evil, or almost
So a soul punisher would one tap super buu.
And also, base gogeta would quite literally beat the shit out of Janemba
If a ssj1 gogeta, moved too fast for Janemba to even see his punches (from a few meters distance), each hit from gogeta put a dent into him, and he had soul punisher which still one taps Janemba
Gogeta likes to use forms way stronger than his opponent
Ssj4 gogeta against omega shenron for example
Ssjb gogeta against broly for example
Each no diffed the person they fought
Gogeta blue would one tap fused zamasu with soul punisher, since it’s different from a spirit sword
As with buu, we saw the spirit bomb slowly cause buu to erode, not literally erase him like what happened to Janemba
Considering the spirit sword worked on Zamasu, a spirit breaker would too
It would completely erase him, leaving not a single trace
Apart from the spirit sword, which trunks only cut him in half, he didn’t engulf him in the spirit sword
If vegito doesn’t fuck around, he will beat the shit out of broly, run him through the dirt and ect
Something I don't see anyone mentioning is that DBS SSGSS Gogeta *DOESN'T* use Soul Punisher.
In every *single* game DBS Gogeta is in, the rainbow orb attack he uses is referred to as " *Stardust Breaker* ", whilst in the exact same games DBZ Gogeta's move is called "Soul Punisher".
DBS Gogeta doesn't ever use Soul Punisher, it's a simple nod to Fusion Reborn for the nostalgic fans.
The soul punisher is the stardust breaker with just a different name. I've seen the one DBS Gogeta use be called god punisher before. It's just a different name for the same attack.
@morphstarchangeling8024 that's my point. If it was the same technique they'd just refer to it by its name. But the fact they went out their way to give it a different name shows they aren't the same technique. Not to mention that the games don't get to decide the names, they have to consult the actual writers of the show to get the names
Let me guess gogeta also didn’t use kamehameha he used full force kamehameha
@@jamarii6637 i get what example you're tryna make but it doesn't work for 2 reasons. The most obvious one, the Kamehameha *is* canon? Im sure its been used over 300 times so full force *KAMEHAMEHA* is just a kamehameha... at full force. Now if the kamehameha was called smth like "Stardust Cannon" or smth, then yes ur point would stand. But since the rainbow orb attack is "Stardust breaker" and not "Stardust Soul Punisher" then your example doesnt really work :/
All the games that called it "Stardust Breaker" LONG before Super happened:
It is litterally the same thing, they only did it like that because "Stardust Breaker" fits more with DBS Gogeta's other attack names, but "Soul Punisher" was already in the game. Hell, even Sparking Zero calls DBZ Gogeta's "variation" "Stardust Breaker" further proving that, yes, they are the same attack.
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This gogeta downplay is insane as hell 😭🙏
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What downplay lmaooo that’s out right facts
@@MadderEmo how? he literally thinks gogeta wouldn't be enough to beat buuhan, that's so damn wrong. he thinks the rival boost is so big to the point vegito eclipses him
@ because that’s all true , the rival boost isn’t the only thing that far eclipses gogeta neither. This isn’t downplay this is all literally facts. Use the anime , manga and guides to debunk it. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean it’s not true
@JusKiyoshithe rival boost is a big difference cause its literally said that buu saga vegito is stronger than a hypothetical gokhan and gohan is stronger than vegeta and goku
0:56 tbh I feel like a better explanation is Goku not wanting to fuse with gohan forever so he never takes the earring
If Gogeta purifies Super Buu, Gohan and others would be fine, and of course a villain would say that a fusion can't win
This logic is flawed cause the villain who’s saying it has a fusion at his utmost potential inside of him with the wisdom of piccolo who understands the concept of fusion and has one of the highest IQs in the franchise , also as well this SAME VILLAIN HAS FOUGHT GOKU , VEGETA & GOHAN and knows how strong they are at their best. Also might I add before leading to those statements elder kai and basically gave a whole 2 page summary of how POTARA IS STRONGER AND BETTER , so it made sense that Buu saying the fusion dance wouldn’t beat them adds up
Non canon hability
Stardust Breaker can't do that. It's just a dub statement.
@@MadderEmo Still he don't know about stardust breaker
@@yilb332 Literally he use it in the Broly movie
I have no issues with Vegito > Gogeta stances, but the basis for your case on why just seems funky
This narrator has a nice voice
It's good to see that someone's debunking the Dance = Potara rhetoric. Here's some thoughts:
5:20 "Super Boo is arrogant" is actually debunkable. Notably, Super Boo is usually willing to acknowledge when someone is stronger than him (Ultimate Gohan, even Vegetto himself), so it's safe to say that his predictions are usually accurate.
6:24 I actually think that this is a little questionable; GT Perfect Files isn't the perfect source (It erroneously claims that Gohan never stopped training even though Atushi Maekawa, a GT writer, claimed that this was somewhat untrue), and plus, SSJ3 Goku (post-Potara) and Kid Boo, universal threats, are implied to be in a similar range of power to Gotenks, whose components should be solar system level at best.
7:54 Shaking a universe isn't too crazy, that's just multi-solar system level to galaxy level. Either way, Boo saga characters are universal (Goku claims that Kid Boo can make the universe go "poof", implying it'll be destroyed quickly).
9:02 Vegeta is still dead, Gotenks doesn't have SSJ3, Gohan doesn't have Ultimate, Goku is still dead, so it's more likely that Goku just killed Innocent Boo and returned to the afterlife. According to Koyama, movies aren't made with full knowledge of the manga's future.
9:15 This is because he imprisoned King Enma.
9:45 Multiple guidebooks imply that Boo saga Vegetto was the strongest even in comparison to Movie 12 Gogeta, so I personally think he would.
10:34 Maybe that's just because Gogeta knew his time limit was shortened, so in the Broli movie, he went about things appropriately.
12:18 The "Soul Punisher" was never changed, it was always like that. Gogeta was still ready to fight the kid that Janenba possessed, implying that he either didn't know he could purify souls, or he never did, and the kid would have come out anyways. Plus, if it could do that, why didn't Vegetto use it at all?
14:23 Based.
Amazing video. God bless.
It’s important to note that Super Buu tends to be over confident when he is winning. We see this when Gohan first shows up, against Vegito, and when Goku shows up.
I don’t think Buuhan could’ve beaten a hypothetical Buu saga Gogeta
@@Chckster He later admits that he knew Gohan was stronger than him, so he was likely either putting up a facade or just sensing Gohan's resting ki, which wouldn't match with his all-out ki. The latter is the same for Vegetto, since even Vegetto admitted that his initial ki wasn't all he had and he was underestimating himself. We also simply have no reason to believe that Gotenks Boo's claims when Goku arrived were invalid.
@ Yes, that’s after Gohan beats him up. He started to lose. Before that he was winning against Gotenks and was confident he could beat Gohan too. The same thing happened with Vegito, Buu was confident and was wrong.
I think Buu was just overestimating his initial abilities as he always does. When he has the advantage he just assumes he’s above everyone and is usually wrong. The best example of this is against Ultimate Gohan.
@ Gohan claims that Boo was just trying to be sure of his power. To quote Herms's strength checker:
Gohan: “I see…So you tried testing your power just to be sure, and I really was above you…That’s too bad, Majin Boo.”
I honestly don't think that Boo got a fully accurate measure of Gohan's ki, seeing as he was all the way in the Kaioshin's realm. Either way, he instantly changed his tune upon realizing that he was indeed wrong, which is more than people like Cell and Freeza can do. Plus, he also made the plan to absorb Gotenks the moment he sensed Gohan's ki, so it's not like he thought he would curbstomp there.
He's also not arrogant enough to take risks (His quote about being above Gogeta is made when attempting to kill Goku and Vegeta), so it's not like he thinks he can beat everyone. His incorrect assumptions are simply because he senses someone's resting ki or is far away from his enemies, meaning he just doesn't have a viable source of knowledge for those fighters.
He never saw mortals fusing using potara
There is an interview where the different fusion methods still equal power. It’s just something most people don’t refer to often.
No it’s jump promotional for the Broly movie which refers to both fusions being equal triumph cards in result. MEANING WHOEVER VEGITO OR GOGETA FIGHTS THEY SHOULD BE STRONGER THAN AND SHOULD WIN
It has nothing to do with power
@@MadderEmo exactly
@@MadderEmo Most scans from jump are promotional material anyways, so that doesn't really matter tbh. And yes, Herms verbatim translates it as "equally-matched ultimate trump cards" - Even if you're arguing that they're talking about them being equally good winning conditions, that would still give the connotation you're saying they're equal.
@ no that wouldn’t … if me and you could both beat someone up that doesn’t mean WERE BOTH EQUALLY MATCHED TRIUMPH CARDS TO HANDLE THE SITUATION , but that doesn’t mean now I can beat you in a fight because we both could beat the same person or that I’m equal to you. Which herms already got debunked on as it again refers to getting the job done not being in comparison to power
3:35 I’d rather not trust Buuhan’s words, since his personality is an accumulation of the people he’s merged with. Gohan and Gotenks were extremely cocky by the time they were absorbed, and even Piccolo is cocky. Many times have we been proven that a character’s words aren’t true, like Goku thinking that Gotenks could defeat fat Buu, etc.
I had this idea for months lol!
So happy that someone actually made it
Finaly someone who read dragonball
I kinda have to disagree on two things.
1: Gogeta losing to Merged Zamasu. Though this one is more of a technicality than anything as while Infinite Zamasu would still exist and would still need Zeno, Merged Zamasu would still be defeated, and that’s still a victory.
2, the bigger one: the reasoning for Hypo Buu Gogeta losing to Super Buuhan. This kinda falls apart when we consider how fusion works. It works by multiplying the power of the two fusees rather than the add then magnify like the characters think. This is relevant because of base power and transformations. Goku and Vegeta’s base power are about even. When they both access SSJ2, they are around even. This means a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegeta would have the similar power to SSJ3 Goku. And then there’s Gokhan. Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Goku are similar in power. You guys can argue about who is exactly stronger but there are two things we can agree on; Base Goku is stronger than Base Gohan and the Ultimate form is a better power Multiplier, since we know SSJ2 Goku was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, meaning the same is true for their base and in order for Gohan to gain strength near equal to Goku, his transformation must give him more power. Here’s where things get tricky. So a hypothetical Gokhan is confirmed to be able to beat Buu. But in what form? Considering Fusion can have a form that one or both fusees don’t have, and the lack of any Gold or longer hair, then it’s highly likely Gokhan is either in base or Ultimate. And they don’t get a rival boost. If it’s base, then I don’t need to explain why Gogeta who share a fusee and has a stronger base fusee than Gokhan wins. If it’s Ultimate, then we get a slightly lower base with a slightly stronger multiplier (Gohkan) vs a slightly higher base with a slightly lower multiplier (Gogeta). Either way, Ultimate Gokhan and SSJ3 Gogeta should be around the same ballpark in power (again you can argue who you think is stronger, but they are close to even). So if one can beat Buuhan, the other can too. And if you want to argue Gogeta will defuse in five minutes because at the time Gotenks did as well, well at the time Gogeta has an attack that solves this problem. The Soul Punisher (I’m using this name because that’s what it was called at the time and what other media use for Super Gogeta). Since this is the Z era, it should have the same properties as in Fusion Reborn. Meaning it can erase all the evil in Buu while restoring all the good people inside including Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and very high potentially Fat Buu. So he has no need for the plan to have Buu absorb him and no need to waste time. Especially since Goku watched Gotenks fight Buu and would know about the power draining the time limit. So a hypothetical Buu Saga Gogeta should beat Super Buuhan.
9:45 this is where I disagree, even if Vegito is weaker than jenemba. He is weak against insults, and Vegito is the most jackass MF I’ve ever seen, he’d win.
Dude, you forgot one thing with Gogeta vs Buuhan
Stardust Breaker
Now hear me out, Stardust Breaker can only do serious damage to evil beings, such as Janemba. When he got hit by the technique, all of the evil spirits were obliterated and only the good hearted dude was left. That means that a theoretical Buu Saga Gogeta could've one-shot Super Buu and left Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, Gohan, Good Buu and everyone else he absorbed, for example Chi-Chi, alive and safe. And no, Stardust Breaker was never changed to remove the evil erasing aspect, just the fact that something isn't mentioned in a long time doesn't automatically mean it is no longer like that. For example, around the Saiyan Saga it was officially mentioned that you need a power level of at least 10000 to destroy a planet, yet it has never been mentioned since. So according to your reasoning it is no longer true that you need that power level to destroy a planet. And even if that's not enough, you can clearly see how the Stardust Breaker, AKA the attack that can only hurt evil beings, did no damage AT ALL to Broly, AKA the guy who quote "wasn't evil, but just overcome with rage"
Hereby I digress to your opinion, Gogeta would've absolutely been more than enough to kill Super Buu AND save the absorved ones at the same time
Dubism. If the Stardust Breaker could do this, why didn't Vegetto use it?
@InfernoCleric384 Cuz it's a Gogeta exclusive technique, Vegetto has never been able to use Stardust Breaker
@timaeustanis359 And Final Kamehameha is a Vegetto-exclusive technique, despite Gogeta doing it in Ultimate Battle 22. You really have no proof that Vegetto can't do a Stardust Breaker.
In db, ki over hax. Since buu had more hax and strenght, he would still win regardless despite that blast. Also stardust is just a fancy ki blast name lmao not erasure cuz evil
Also that was a dub line and db dub quite literally sucks as it strays away from the manga by farr
actually, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks didn't shorten the fusion time, he could only be used during 5 minutes in the fusion, as shown in the Manga, he returned to Super Saiyan form after the 5 minutes passed.
Small correction, Goku and Vegeta were equal in base, ssj and ssj2 at this time. Goku having ssj3 is irrelevant to the fusion as they fused at base anyway.
This is actually wrong, 1:34, because that happens with the potara. Fusion doesn't end shorter, no matter the power up.
The fusion dance design is meant to last exactly 30 minutes to keep fighting at full potential. In fact, fusion has shown such greater potential for Gogeta always wins while Vegito always loses or doesn't finish his battles. Akira Toriyama confirmed this saying that they are actually even in power. And villians speeches always don't go in their favour, they are just arrogant. Gogeta would win against Buu through power alone, since fusion was changes twice, gogeta in the most recent canon movie: DragonBall Super: Broly, gogeta states that fusion is superior and doesn't add their strengths but multiplies them significantly, Gogeta beats Buu. And Gogeta in the Future trunks arc is significantly weaker than he was in the movie, for goku and vegeta are way stronger in the 2018 movie then in the future trunks arc. If we had current Gogeta Blue, the fight would be over against zamasu.
Vegito and Gogeta are even, just Gogeta has more requirements to work successfully 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Cannonacly, akira himself said vegito and gogeta said they were equal.
gogeta AND vegito have the same fusion time limit issue idk why youre using manga and not stating the fact vegito lasted 40 minutes we know this from the panel with supreme kai with a clock talking about it. Nothing in cannon tells you gogeta wouldnt defuse faster because unlike vegito gogeta paced him self because HE KNOWS he would defuse quickly. Information is key and vegito learned the hard way while gogeta knew from the get go
Nothing suggests that the S.P. wouldn't also destroy Zamasu's essence. When Gogeta beat Janemba, he did it by destroying the evil in the souls that were absorbed into Janemba, so th SOUL Punisher should be able to at least do that to Zamasu. In the very least, Zamasu's body would stay there, immortal, but he would be braindead.
1 vegitos blue transformation was imperfect in that arc not as the blue of broly movie
2 so gogetas would had the same problem by lasting 30 minutes jis ssjg in zamasu arc would last nothing due to imperfection too
lol no, ssjb was just too much for Vegito to handle. Gogeta would’ve cleared.
This video is basically the lore behind dbl summons
Gogeta wouldn't be able to erase Zamasu even with Soul Punisher since Zamasu isn't evil, he strongely believe what he's doing is right and the only reason he's the "villain" is because his perception of what is right or wrong is different from Goku and Vegeta/Trunks.
Rival boost applies for both forms of fusion
Prove it
It was never stated:
The thing is with the fusion dance and defusing early is that gotenks didn't defuse after using ssj3
Alright who’s going to explain the rivalry boost😂
So you're a vegito fan? Got it👍
You forgot to take into account that when vegito fought zamasu ssgss wasn't mastered like blue Goleta from Brody, the potara broke because the power of a not mastered ssgss that was just mastered in ToP, it doesn't change the fact tha5 vegito would win but is something to take into account when talking about the time limit
Soul Punisher erases Evil
Broly isn't evil
pretty simple
Soul Punisher won't completely Erase Zamasu, maybe half of him
because Zamasu isn't completely evil
just Twisted
he was stated to be Pure by Gowasu
but in recent Sparking zero there's additional info about it
Zamasu having a little bit of evil in him
Janemba was completely erased because he was made out of Evil itself
Gogeta in Broly movie didn't waste time
and went straight to fight
because if he defused, everything would've been destroyed
and Goku and Vegeta learned from their mistake of wasting too much energy and time in Future trunks arc
that's why he nearly killed broly because he didn't wanted everyone to die
Hypothetical Vegito in Broly movie will end exactly the same
Broly loses
Vegito Wins by rushing the fight and ending it as quickly as possible
Hypothetical Gogeta in Future trunks arc also ends exactly the same
he transforms into Blue and starts beating up Zamasu
but they defuse because of the Time limit
Which means when Gogeta uses the soul punisher another goku and a good Zamasu would been defused or still in the 1 hour fusion cause black is stated to be evil by characters like babidi
Just one thing. In the movie when gogeta was fighting broly gogeta wasted no time jumping to his highest level and bodied broly. If he truly had a time limit of 30 minutes he wouldnt have taken the fight that seriously. Its either he couldnt take a risk of broly getting stronger thsn him or he knew about vegitos shortened time and because of that rushed the fight. Gogeta slso knows the value of life as he is born for only 30 min he doesnt want to waste someones life that easily.
brother really?? Gogeta godstomps buuhan and you know it 🤦♂️
What a great video. What's the next video going to be of?
another dragon ball video maybe
If you're using things that came out later, you should have used the Broly movie Gogeta power-up instead of GT's.
Short: ITS THE SAME, THE SAMEEEE
Another thing I remembered that is different in manga and anime
Vegito Blue in anime lasted 5 minutes
While in the manga he somehow lasted to almost 40 minutes, only defusing due to trying to use a full power Final Kamehameha
Actually broly of not being evil and consumed by rage is true because soul punisher still works the same because in dragon ball heroes when gogeta fought against hearts he also used soul punisher which eradicated him meaning soul punisher was not retconed and is still same it didn't work on broly because he is actually not evil. Noi I know heores is non canon but still I thought I should bring this point up
Gogeta absolutely can still defuse if he uses up too much power. They LEARNED this during the vegito fight. This is why Gogeta fights Broly in SSJ1 and not immediately into blue. He also didn't have to go 100% because Broly was not a trained fighter, AND because he didnt have infinite stamina/regen.
Side note: Vegito slams Janemba by calling him names.
Pretty sure he knew of his time restraints yet he was ready to fight golden frieza right after going full power ssb against broly? (and yes, he did go 100% as he was trying to secure the kill because if he didn't, broly would adapt and overwhelm him)
@ he wasnt going 100% vs Broly. At no point is he shown to be going all out, he’s calm and collected throughout the fight
You can’t just say janemba’s feats is vastly superior to all buu saga characters without any evidence of it. They both did the same thing and I’d argue Buuhan did it to a higher level as it was going to bring about the destruction of the universe , Janemba only warped it. You would have to prove via scaling or how janemba’s feat is out right higher. As well as Goku shaking the afterlife doesn’t necessarily means he’s stronger then canon goku as shaking the afterlife is calc to multi galaxy ( low to fair end ) - low universal ( high end )
Mean while Goku can go blow for blow with kid buu who has multiple universal statements and was stated that he was going to blow up heaven which is universal in size. It’s easy to prove how most movie characters are stronger then their anime counterparts but janemba movie isn’t one of them.
Missed Sparking What If Opportunities
The reason why vegito against zamasu defused so quickly unlike Gogeta against Broly us because vegito when heure fough zamasu, didnt get access of ssjblue full power that reduce every ki problem of the transformation.
Gogeta vs BuuHan : If gogeta would be losing he would probably use soul punisher/star dust breaker
It is proven zamasu wasn’t evil he truly believed he was good so the soul punisher won’t work
In my head canon both of them are pretty much around the same levels of strength like one might be a little bit stronger than the other so if you put them in the place of the other i believe it wouldn’t change much the outcome, both of them beat their enemies
things wrong with this video
Using statements a villain said as SOLID proof when it has been shown it wasn't the case
at 6:26 saying ssj4 gogeta which is NON canon btw is dozen of times stronger then ssj4 which that should obviously not be the case
if we're using logic like this then we should bring up v scan saying buuhan is as strong as ssj3 goku since we wanna be non canon
also in the buu saga vegeta AND goku were equal in their bases, the thing that made goku stronger was the fact he had ssj3 and vegeta didnt. Even then gogeta could literally just one shot buuhan with a soul punisher which he didn't even BRING up in this video.
all in all overwanked vegito to the moon and lowballed gogeta into oblivion the bias this man is showing is so massive it makes me mad, gogeta slams buuhan, don't know about zamasu due to him not being PURE evil and just being misguided. and most importantly in my opinion gogeta WOULD get a rival boost. It has NEVER been stated once not even a singular time that it was potara exclusive!
i rest my case. do better nuchareviews smh i don't EVER wanna see you downplaying gogeta again with non canon statements
The jenemba movie could take place after Vegetas sacrifice and when goku gets taken back to the otherworld and mr Satan would be with buu during this time
Gogeta wons because soul punisher Will beat the hell of buuhan
sure but what if the soul punisher is weaker than buuhan?
@@B0NZY Z movie gogeta is not weaker than Buuhan
The fusion dance loses time from strenuous transformations not power usage
I could be wrong but where can I find information about janemba reality warping?
The only information I found was on the Daisenshuu 3 part 162 where it was stated that all janemba did was seal the mayor representats of hell distrupting the cicle of life and death.
3 views in one minute, bro fell off. But in all seriousness, your videos are very well made and thought out. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
the thing is that it is hard to actually know which one is supposed to be stronger when they're both treated like equals, a lot of statements say potarra is stronger but that seems to be exclusive to z, then we have what we actually see in the show, I highly doubt gotenks was just a little stronger than trunks of goten because if that was the case then he would get stomped by buu even in ssj3, then we have super which ignores everything said about the pottara and fusion dance and treats them as equal and finally we have the dbs broly movie where toriyama straight up calls gogeta and vegito equal in the promotion of the movie which means that even with all the statements he still treated them as equal so it is really hard to decide what to go with for either statements.
You forgot one thing, just because someone transforms doesn't mean they can't beat their enemy in a weaker form, for example: Goku went ssb against Krillin, did he need ssb to beat Krillin? No, base Goku was keeping up with Tamagami no. 3, in ssj Tamagami 3 couldn't even touch Goku and in ssj2 Goku one shot Tamagami 3, so in conclusion they transform to end fights quicker/they use god ki forms so non god ki users can't sense their ki.
The idea that the Fusion dance is billions of times weaker than the Potara is wrong, it’s definitely weaker but not by the extremes where just because Buu thinks it’s not enough, means it’s not enough. Also claiming that the Fusion dance using more energy doesn’t cause the fusion to defuse faster is wrong since SS4 Gogeta defuses in 10 minutes. Gotenks does the same in 5 minutes in SSJ3 (idk how it’s preserved for 30 minutes once he’s in Buu but whatever). And against Broly, Gogeta isn’t even using SSB for half the fight and the whole fight is 10 minutes long AND it takes place after the ToP where Goku and Vegeta naturally got much better at using SSB and conserving energy (like Goku and Vegeta literally get forms above SSB between the Goku black arc and Broly movie)
More Dragon ball videos please
This Guy is....... he said super buu doesnt beat gogeta .... all these articals and manga info and this and that
Bro.... He has soul punisher
Buu is COMPLETELY EVIL and it wouldve also freed the others .. i think piccolo ehh idk
Vegito Vs Janemba not a question
Vegito? Not even debatable. Vegito
For OBVIOUS REASONS
Bro theres so many things wrong in this video im not going through bro ABSOLUTELY does not watch the show
People also need to know
When it comes to broly Vs Vegito
Manga Vegito Wins
anime Vegito Loses or he gonna have to K*ll Him
In the Manga controlling SSB was a Problem then they learn to control it.
Vegito would slam broly
In the Anime the ONLY CLOSEST thing to even talk about controlling god ki
Is when whis is training Goku and Vegeta telling them their energy is leaking out and they punch each other giving a ssb teaser search up "goku and vegeta aee ssb for the first time"
Another is when they are trapped in the Staff and they have to control it there.
Yeah THEY ALREADY LEARNED HOW TO CONTROL IT AND THEY STILL Split
Goku literally explains thiis when going kioken ssb for the first time or he wouldve died... Did you guys not watch the anime???? Thats what got him ssb kioken
And what happen THEY STILL SPLIT
MEANING vegito gotta get rid of him in a short amount of time
Or theyll defuse and both die
Gogeta vs Zamasu? Yeah Gogeta Gets destroyed... Permanen fusion? Potara? His strongest move doesn't Work? Immortality? ... Bros dead..
Soul punisher does not work on Zamasu ... THINK ABOUT IT PLSSSS
Omega Vs Vegito SSJ4
I say ssj4 bc i wouldnt be possible for them to have god Ki they would have to become monkey
Anyways Vegito Slams
And the fact this guy didnt remember what Vegito said:
Its Quality Not Quantity My friend
Dont Compare Gotenks to Gogeta bro lets be real Stop it
To be fair both gogeta and vegito lost against fused Zamasu AND! Soul punisher would probably do some decent damage to Zamasu
While as fused Zamasu tanked vegito final kamehameha
@@elmelm693 prob right but even if It did it would just heal right back yknow
One thing youve fprgotten in gogeta vs buuhan is that goku and vegetas base power levels are around weaker after majin vegeta, shown by their 1v1. Goku was only stronger because he had ssj3 in his arsenal. Since fusion dance they would have to have equal power levels, that would put theirs only a little bit under the power
of vegito because of the rival boost. Time limit is what you think bc ssj doesn't burn through energy much
You gave Gogeta this buff fyi.
Why wouldn't Gogeta just use Soul Punisher on Buuhan? Wouldn't that unabsorb Buuhan and leave him as just Evil Buu or even just Kid Buu? If so then Gogeta wins this easily.
You could also argue that the soul punisher, even if it did work like in dbz wouldnt work on zamasu as he's been shown to not exactly be straight up evil but more misguided
gotenks in dragon ball super defuses quickly due to using too much power though? also gogeta blue wasn't using "Too much power" he is shown and stated in guides to not be using even a hint of his true power.
is that the legend gladius' Vegito ost I hear?? 🔥
Gogeta did say their powers are significantly multiplied and then some
Im a bit confused. Are you taking hypothetical Gogetas but just placing Vegetto into different arcs?
You say a hyothetical Gogeta blue, but not a hypothetical Vegetto blue.
vegito changing places with gogeta wont change anything, vegito wins against gogeta due to power and time diferences, however, their gaps are not big enough to matter against their villains and would just matter against themselves (also this shit is ridiculous cuz if gogeta fuses on the buu saga he would scale to the buu saga and vegito scale to the Z movie cuz their power is an unknow multiplier of their parts, is like saying VB will be zamasu level if he fused on the broly arc lmao)
also no, stardust breaker AND the soul punisher does not have an extra effect, both are a strong ki ball in their respective canons (the actual canon and the movies own side canon)
Would soul punisher even work on Zamasu? Doesn’t he think hes just purifying the evil of humanity? Or does it still affect him?
If we're being accurate and not holding any bias towards vegito or my goat, even though vegito's stronger, I feel like gogeta might actually have an easier time with his villina due to his soul punisher ability, since it purified evil wouldn't super buu just turn back to Majin buu, and I'm not necessarily sure what would happen if goku black got hit with it but it might effect him in some way to where he isn't yk, goku black anymore
To sum up this video (which I haven’t watched yet) if they switch places the result is the same bc they are the same person but yall know that already
0:50 but didn't vegeta dont know about the fusion dance? He never really learned it or knew about it since he was dead when goten and trunks fused
A Hypothetical Gogeta vs Buuhan still isn't close and Gogeta wins. Whether they use the fusion dance of the potara fusion both are showcased to have higher power than the two individuals.
Base Vegito was above SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan and since Gogeta is weaker you could say that he's stronger than SSJ3 Goku but is around the strength of Ultimate Gohan.
NTM that Gogeta most likely has SSJ2 and SSJ3 at hand but to make the fight fair he could only use SSJ, Even if you want to claim that Buuhan is still stornger than a SSJ Gogeta from the Buu saga go ahead but that means Gogeta shouldn't be far off in power and since he has better IQ. BIQ, Speed and abilities. he should win with little trouble but that's just my opinion honestly.
Great video btw no hate.
ain’t gogeta blue after the tournament of power? that would mean they’ve gotten stronger since
gogeta can defuse faster as shown in GT when gogeta defused vs omega
There is no evidence saying the soul punisher has changed, and broly is not evil so it did nothing.
If Zamasu would have gotten erased by Gogeta's S.P., then Zamasu should be fine when Zeno erased him. Your logic just doesn't check out for me.
gogeta defusing from using too much power I think they getting that from gt ssj4 was the only one to full on defuse if too strong then vegito did it in super gotenks didn’t do it he went back to base and defuses after the timer he never flat out defused because he was too strong. so gogeta probably wouldn’t either and just go to base but because ppl chose what they use they’ll ignore it ,honestly same ppl ignoring that times have changed and last we got on the earrings is a angel saying the power is the two merging and multiplied and gogeta saying our two power isn’t just added together but significantly magnified and it’s stuff like that where they say it but ppl ignore it and go to the old sources that still say vegito doesn’t defuse and then they talk about the dance has to lower their power to fuse but never show goku saying once that this will make the fusion weaker but ignore it’s ä method of fusion as u are merging into one but still wanna say it’ll make it weaker even tho it’s never said that once goku didn’t even mention it to vegeta they just fused. if we gonna use old statements use current ones too. they are equal trump cards if one was stronger than the other u wouldn’t be ä equal…. There’s a reason vegeta said goku was stronger at the end of z and not his equal because they weren’t equal at the time u get my point.
Only saw 7 minutes and already downplaying GT. SSJ 4 Gogeta is dozens of times stronger than a ssj4 and base vegito is at least 400 times stronger than a base buu saga goku?... whats the point? First: base GT goku was already stronger than ssj3 buu saga. Second: SSJ4 is stronger than SSJ3, so taking that base vegito is 400 times stronger than a ssj3 is irrelevant since base GT gogeta should be much much stronger than a 400 times ssj3 from buu saga, to be fair I see an hypothetical gogeta fusion from buu saga being completely able to destroy buhaan, but he may need at least ssj2 or ssj3, I was expecting to take into consideration the time limit, if gogeta should go ssj2 or ssj3 and that reduces his time limit too, his stragety, that would have been interesting. I dont see buuhan and any other villians statements too seriously as mostly all of them claim to either being the strongest warrior in the universe and prove to be wrong mostly the entire series lol. Also I personally always being a vegito fan, but that first 7 minutes were the worst analisis, bad logic and conclusion I have ever seen
i think you're a little confused. the guide book states that ssj4 gogeta is dozens of times stronger than a ssj4 goku, with fusion dance requiring both warriors at equal power level, this basically states that a ssj4 gogeta would only be 24-96x stronger than either goku or vegeta in super saiyan 4. this 24-96x would also be the same for their base forms, as the super saiyan 4 multiplier is the same whether they're in fusion or not. base vegeto in the guide was stated to be stronger than a ssj3 goku. this implies that vegeto is at least 400x stronger than base goku
tldr: gogeta is only 24-96x stronger than goku or vegeta while vegeto is more than 400x stronger than either of them.
@@LiEVOzz that 24 and 96 is NOT reffering to their base forms, why would it be like that? It states that gogeta is stronger than ssj4 not base goku and vegeta. Yes vegeto is stronger than BUU SAGA ssj3 goku in base which base GT goku already scales higher. Again, that logic makes 0 sense since it isnt saying that gogeta is only dozens of times stronger than base vegeta and goku, it states that is stronger than a ssj4 goku, this is also irrelevant as base GT goku has feats and statements that put him above ssj3 goku from BUU SAGA
So base vegeto>ssj3 goku
GT goku>ssj3 goku
BASE GT gogeta >>>>>>>>>>GT goku>>>>>base vegeto>>>>>ssj3 goku
@estebanmedinad8370 it literally states that ssj4 gogeta is 24-96x stronger than ssj4 goku. if this is the case, then if gogeta de transforms he'd only be about 24-96x stronger than goku or vegeta. also, you're kind of dumb. the whole point of this argument was to see if goku and vegeta IN THE BUU SAGA using the fusion dance would beat buu, not ssj4 gogeta. hed obviously no diff characers from the buu saga
@@LiEVOzz 0 sense gogeta ssj4 is dozens of times stronger than an ordinary ssj4, ssj4 is stronger than base goku and vegeta, so if gogeta goes to base he Will still be stronger than a ssj4, dozens of times is clearly not the multiplier for gogeta ssj4, since the oficial multipliers for ssj 1 2 and 3 are about 50 to 100 to 400 times base, its not that difficult to comprehend, so making gogeta "dozens" of times stronger than a ssj4 contradicts ssj oficial multipliers
@@LiEVOzz The point of that was to downplay ever more gogeta, it makes 0 sense to first: use a character and transformations far beyond what we saw in BUU SAGA and say that his multiplier at the Best transformation is not even equal to a ssj2 multipliers, the correct thing to scale would be that a base gogeta from buu saga is already stronger than ssj3 at least, not as strong as base vegito since the unknown rival multiplier but still enough to maybe match buuhan with a ssj2 or maybe 3 to be enough. The arguments of buuhan are vague because he only saw a weaker versión of the fusión dance between characters that are weaker than goku and vegeta
the "vegito vs gogeta" debate is cool and all, but some people take it WAY too far, you can like a character all you want and you can get upset when said character loses in a debate, but damn. i was in this discord server and a gogeta fan was sending death threats. i like gogeta as much as the next guy (he's my favorite fusion), but god damn like chill out its just some silly anime debate about fictional characters its not that deep.
In super vados stated the potara is dozens of times
Wouldn't Gogeta's stardust punisher be extremely effective against Buuhan?
The afterlife is alot bigger than a universe as heaven alone is as big as the universe and heaven was stated to be so small compared to afterlife that it vanishes
Yeah sadly gogeta got calc up to vegito in super and is litteraly stated multiple times in dbs broly interview by editors and akira himself.
So you're just straight up wrong
As a gogeta fan I don’t know about the whole power debate between Vegito and gogeta but if gogeta fight any form of boo, he would win no matter what because of his soul punisher and when you said you think it’s only a movie thing you even clarified that it wasn’t confirmed it was a movie thing so that still checks and Gogita would lose to Zamasu because he’s not pure evil he wouldn’t be able to destroy Zamasu’s body
14:26 They are the same person = same personalities, just tha Vegetto is stronger
9:45 wait i was so confused , why would you end on saying buu saga vegito loses, i feel like it makes more sense to say that fusion reborn vegito *does* win
There is also a statement from DBZ where Gogeta is stated to be the superior fusion.
"But still, Gogeta combined is more balanced and powerfull, therefore Gogeta (long term comparison) should win!"
Those statements are legit panels from databooks yet you vegito fans seem to ignore it completely and bring up stuff like the rival boost?? The rival boost also counts for Gogeta as its just a boost for characters who are rivals if they fuse?
No
@@yilb332 Yes
Other guidebooks say the opposite. Even V-Jump, *your source*, called Vegetto the strongest in a section right next to *Movie 12 Gogeta*. V-Jump is the only source that dares put the Dance near Potara, and they claimed that Gohan Boo = SSJ3 Goku, so they aren't a viable source at all.
@InfernoCleric384 Yeah and the same guides that say potara is stronger also say straight up wrong stuff like how the Dragon Ball universe only has 4 galaxies
@@Vindication1134 Regardless, more guides say Vegetto > Gogeta than Gogeta = Vegetto or Gogeta > Vegetto.
Even without them, it's never stated in direct canon that Gogeta = Vegetto. The only one to even remotely imply it is Piccolo in the Moro arc, when he claimed that both Fusion and Potara would be rendered useless by Moro's FSF, and it's possible that this was only because Piccolo didn't understand that you could just blitz Moro.
Vegito would clear janemba idk borly not because he's weak but because of the time limit if we give vegito the full 1 hour time limit he would win since he doesn't have a reason to play with broly
Gogeta would and wouldn't beat buu since just like vegito he would try to make buu absorb him or he would just use a soul punishers to destroy the evil in buu leaving the kids , Gohan and piccolo and probably fat buu
But he isn't beating zamasu not even soul punishers is saveing him he would last longer than vegito but he would be able to kill an immortal so yh
Vegito clears janemba and borly
Gogeta clears buu but isn't beating zamasu
Idk how broly gonna heal those blade dmg 😂
Honestly they should of made it were portra fusion just is forever and then they could have buu unfuse them again