@@StillKeepOnLosing because they were lucky something worked for them this year. They had so many flaws. Chovy + Doran = Good Faker + Zeus = Good Faker + Doran = XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Gl doing anything literally anything. Unless its jungle carry meta they will not even have a chance to win anything anymore. Even when they play around bot. This is not a strenght. Being one dimensional like that is a weakness.
Foxdrop explaining the Bronze Age collapse as “people just stopped caring about bronze” and Thorin questioning if people cooked meat / had feasts in the Bronze Age is making me lose my mind lmao
I never previously assumed Chovy was a shotcaller but a bunch of people kept telling me that he was and some of his teammates also said he's a shotcaller
@@RichsWrath it was probably being cut off in the video where they upload their comms. Chovy probably shot their timers and lane state while Canyon and Lehends call the play around objectives
Canyon is not the shot caller either, Lehend -> Peyze -> Kinn -> Chovy -> Canyon, they all can shot call, but this is the frequency I've heard from voice cam.
1:16:30 actually so true, shoutout to Riot telling you that Sandbox mode would be toxic because the players who wouldn't use would be flamed back in 2015, or the many instances that they've tried to gaslight the playerbase with their toxicity surveys and virtually pointless when not worse measures while ignoring the elephant in the room (griefing, inting)
I think the lack of interest in the LPL comes from how analysts hyped them up so much since 2018. Every year there was this new insane super team that's gonna supposedly win everything!!!! but they just didn't most of the time. Most people watch worlds and since 2019 Korea just outperforms them over and over again
Foxdrop: 'The iron age started 500 years ago' Mate, what? Well, a mistake about history in a podcast about esports calls for only one type of punishment, crucifixion.
90% of those games Zeus was still on a carry and overall Guma has never played these champs as a hyper carry. He would go for big ult galeforce plays with Aphelios and ult into clean up plays with Jinx as well.
Gumayusi has always had issues playing Zeri and Kai’sa, which has been a pro play staple for large parts of the past 2-3 years. His Aphelios performances heavily relied on a burst play style with multiple carries on the team. T1 never looked their best with “Protect the ADC “ comps, and like having multiple damage carries and winning lanes.
@@multimus133 Sure. But in modern competitive LoL almost no one plays "protect the ADC" comps. This is usually a strategy used by weaker teams who don't have the talent needed for multiple players to play carries. And overall it's a very bad strategy. It can easily be defeated by any competent team playing a pick comp.
@@multimus133 That is actually a t1's issue and not so much guma. T1 like playing with multiple carry including jungle/sup and previously top. Guma actually improve on zeri by a lot (not to ruler/viper level of zeri) but his team doesn't know how to play around that in teamfight.
If Zeus indeed made a verbal commitment to T1 and was never serious about it, he would have also misled his longtime teammates - signing their contracts in good faith - which I would find even worse than playing around with T1. We will see what finally evolves !!!
@@fhsdXDDif i was zeus, I'd take a huge paycut to play on T1, you are set for life if you play on T1. Who knows if HLE will pull a Samsung and sell their team a few years later.
Terrible episode mate, sorry Rich but you guys really actively chose to ignore all the information out there and jump to stupid conclusions, you should have recorded the episode after all the information was out. As usual turning anything T1 fans get upset about even though they have a reason too you guys shift into hating on T1 and blaming them. Really disappointed.
Always the same hate storyline by Thorin and Dom 😂 It is just amusing how their talk constantly circle around the „most irrelevant“ lol team called T1 and the hate for its fans who are sooo toxic ! Well, lol is soccer e-sports. No matter how prominent the Premier League is, it all comes down to winning the Soccer World Championship every four years. Messi resigned from the Argentine national team only to come back and his dream which finally worked out in 2022. The English 11-men „roster“, however, failed again. What counts is the stars on your shirt (5 Brazil, 4 Italy and Germany, 3 Argentine, 2 France, etc.), nothing else, and soccer fans are really toxic when their team fails at World‘s. If you don‘t love your team, you also don‘t hate it. You are not a fan (= fanatic) then. Nothing new in any sport top level …
the same tiresome comparisons. The reasons you list are why soccer is a terrible sport. The only thing that matters is money, everyone is corrupt, fans are so mentally ill that they'll kill people over games. If that's how you want it to be, good for you.
Except no actual football fan thinks that way. Ask a Roma fan if they preferred the Scudetto or the WC. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Yo is Thorin lumping all T1 fans to a few twitter t1 fangirls being emotional? Like I get its boring to see T1 win all the time. But does he hate t1 that much?
I don’t think there is anything or anyone in the world that Thorin hates more than T1. At this point Thorin probably thinks T1 is worse than Stalin or Hitler
go read the ama before you open your mouth yapping like t1 were not offering him money or years what i learned today is t1 is the best org to be at they were wiling to pay him 4mill if that was offered t1 is fine with zeus leaving if he chooses to but t1 was not even given the chance to sign him and they respect zeus even after he left his agent is that called and said "sorry" after btw in my opinion zeus is fine to leave if he wants to but he should fire his agent he could have gotten the money and more with t1 then hle who no one in the worlds cares about
T1 aren’t entitled to a negotiation, Zeus and his agency can sign with whoever they want, they had to November 18th and they couldn’t agree so he signed a better deal.
@@Treim0395 Whether T1 is entitled to that chance is irrelevant. These guys are stating something that's false. Joe Marsh did an AMA where he said T1 was willing to match any offer Zeus got. So, this whole narrative of T1 trying to lowball Zeus is just false.
@@fascistzoomer Joe said from his AMA that T1 was willing to match whatever offer Zeus got. He even mentioned the 4 billion won. But the agency and maybe Zeus ghosted T1 and didn't even meet them when they agreed to meet to complete the contract. The agent never gave T1 a chance to counteroffer and was just silent the whole time. So there isn't even a better deal, they're gonna match the deal + the branding/merch and stuff. They did not lowball Zeus.
pure conjecture on what would happen if roles, were reveresed, we don't know what would happen, i almost just didnt watch this with seieng thorin in the thumbnail until lfn gets off their anti t1 platform
@@StillKeepOnLosingfrom thorin lmfao he actually hates t1 don’t let him fool you on being objective . Only rich is objective thorin would say anything to shit on t1
Nah u can’t say eu competitors and nemesis are coward. Its just that LEC organisation sucks man. Its really not their fault that nobody want to be competitive internationally. Except that awful takes at the end great show keep going guys ^^
Lol. He is completely biased. Read the Joe Marsh ama. The agent would never submit a counteroffer while promising zeus would stay with T1. They ghosted T1and straight up lied about the 3pm deadline. HLE confirmed there was no deadline. The agent made it up.
@explain lmfao he can never be objective I can take rich commentary on t1 because he is objective. Thorin just wants to rage bait and say outlandish things than when you point it out he will gaslight you
@@naamakala13 sometimes its not about weak mindset, if you know someone is gonna say stupid thing or very bias things in this case you will try to skip the part. Like if someone like yamato says you can listen as he is not bias.
the whole problem is that we are discussing with people who dont have matured it seems. are they all 15 year olds or something xd all could had been solved if t1 just offerd a reasonable contract to zeus we wouldnt have this problemxd well i dont think its a problem i couldnt care less about t1 hahah
@@MayankNautiyal-b3d Silly you. Dom led the charge with the arrogant church of Choke'vy plebs. Say.... where they all at now? I dont see "shaker" anymore. I wonder why? Puzzling.
T1 absolutely fucked the rest of the three over, they probably got way less money than they could’ve gotten elsewhere and took advantage of their huge and the players loyalty by them just blindly believing every one of them would accept these subpar terms. So good on Zeus getting out of that shit.
@@trh3xa174CEOs are know to alwyas tell the complete objective truth in amas and never obmit or falsify anything to make themselves and their company look better, especially not when they are in dispute with another party and want to get public support/placate a fanbase
Can T1 win with Doran?
Only if they believe in the Heart of the Cards
Ofcourse. Why can't they? They played around Zeus's weaknesses. Who says they cant play around the bot Lane? Not like they havent done it before...
T1 has more chance winning with Doran than Thorin growing up
Yes
@@StillKeepOnLosing because they were lucky something worked for them this year. They had so many flaws.
Chovy + Doran = Good
Faker + Zeus = Good
Faker + Doran = XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Gl doing anything literally anything. Unless its jungle carry meta they will not even have a chance to win anything anymore. Even when they play around bot. This is not a strenght. Being one dimensional like that is a weakness.
Foxdrop explaining the Bronze Age collapse as “people just stopped caring about bronze” and Thorin questioning if people cooked meat / had feasts in the Bronze Age is making me lose my mind lmao
Foxdrop when he casts my teams NLC winter finals: Banger
Foxdrop when he hosts one of my favorite shows: Banger
I love how much the opening food segment has become my favorite part.
1:18:30 By the way costreamers already had clean feeds for LPL this summer, so that's a bit misconstrued in the accnouncement.
Hail BDD as he was the one who introduced smolder into mid meta by beating chovy on corki
Most underrated
Btw chovy is not the shot caller most of the times it was lehends and canyon if you ever hear there comms chovy is the silent type
I never previously assumed Chovy was a shotcaller but a bunch of people kept telling me that he was and some of his teammates also said he's a shotcaller
@@RichsWrath it was probably being cut off in the video where they upload their comms. Chovy probably shot their timers and lane state while Canyon and Lehends call the play around objectives
Canyon is not the shot caller either, Lehend -> Peyze -> Kinn -> Chovy -> Canyon, they all can shot call, but this is the frequency I've heard from voice cam.
How this guy spreading misinformation?? Who tell you canyon is shotcaller ??
@@skrattaoppar9753canyon was also silent in every vedio ..so how you know canyon is shotcaller and not chovy??
1:16:30 actually so true, shoutout to Riot telling you that Sandbox mode would be toxic because the players who wouldn't use would be flamed back in 2015, or the many instances that they've tried to gaslight the playerbase with their toxicity surveys and virtually pointless when not worse measures while ignoring the elephant in the room (griefing, inting)
Thorin is sooooooo based for the t1 segment
I think the lack of interest in the LPL comes from how analysts hyped them up so much since 2018. Every year there was this new insane super team that's gonna supposedly win everything!!!! but they just didn't most of the time. Most people watch worlds and since 2019 Korea just outperforms them over and over again
Foxdrop: 'The iron age started 500 years ago'
Mate, what? Well, a mistake about history in a podcast about esports calls for only one type of punishment, crucifixion.
does he not know you add 2000 years to BC dates? He confused thorin and rich by saying 500-800 years ago
Regarding Guma is unable to carry, please remember 2022 Jinx/Aphelios meta and how Guma was a the carry while Zeus was playing tank gragas lol
90% of those games Zeus was still on a carry and overall Guma has never played these champs as a hyper carry. He would go for big ult galeforce plays with Aphelios and ult into clean up plays with Jinx as well.
Gumayusi has always had issues playing Zeri and Kai’sa, which has been a pro play staple for large parts of the past 2-3 years. His Aphelios performances heavily relied on a burst play style with multiple carries on the team. T1 never looked their best with “Protect the ADC “ comps, and like having multiple damage carries and winning lanes.
Guma is really good. Underrated this year performance wise.
@@multimus133 Sure. But in modern competitive LoL almost no one plays "protect the ADC" comps. This is usually a strategy used by weaker teams who don't have the talent needed for multiple players to play carries.
And overall it's a very bad strategy. It can easily be defeated by any competent team playing a pick comp.
@@multimus133 That is actually a t1's issue and not so much guma. T1 like playing with multiple carry including jungle/sup and previously top. Guma actually improve on zeri by a lot (not to ruler/viper level of zeri) but his team doesn't know how to play around that in teamfight.
Absolute banger episode - love it
Rich, your desktop audio on OBS is too soft. Please adjust for next time.
If T1 really signed OGK bye promising them same squad it's big scam and needs to be talked about more.
If Zeus indeed made a verbal commitment to T1 and was never serious about it, he would have also misled his longtime teammates - signing their contracts in good faith - which I would find even worse than playing around with T1. We will see what finally evolves !!!
What on planet earth is foxdrop cooking in this intro
What’s the different between Ale and Beer? Today, Ale is just warm fermented beer
Thorin cant be on a show without flaming t1 fans, faker, its impossible lol
THORIN just straight up makes up narratives now like people have been saying it the whole time.
True, he clearly didn't read Joe Marsh's AMA in fmkorea. 🤣
He talks way too much. It's tiring. See the looks on the faces of his hosts.
@@fhsdXDDthis
@@fhsdXDDif i was zeus, I'd take a huge paycut to play on T1, you are set for life if you play on T1. Who knows if HLE will pull a Samsung and sell their team a few years later.
Terrible episode mate, sorry Rich but you guys really actively chose to ignore all the information out there and jump to stupid conclusions, you should have recorded the episode after all the information was out. As usual turning anything T1 fans get upset about even though they have a reason too you guys shift into hating on T1 and blaming them. Really disappointed.
Is Foxdrop high? Great show lads
i cant take this crap t1 fans said zeus was good and the best top laner lol holy fk thorin
The boys are back!
i thought thorin is obnoxious , but he is actually obnoxious and an idiot
Based
You can tell now that thorin is a 100% t1 hater.
ppl might think these three oldman knows league lmao
oner was a t1 scapegoat but i dont think zeus ever was
Always the same hate storyline by Thorin and Dom 😂 It is just amusing how their talk constantly circle around the „most irrelevant“ lol team called T1 and the hate for its fans who are sooo toxic ! Well, lol is soccer e-sports. No matter how prominent the Premier League is, it all comes down to winning the Soccer World Championship every four years. Messi resigned from the Argentine national team only to come back and his dream which finally worked out in 2022. The English 11-men „roster“, however, failed again. What counts is the stars on your shirt (5 Brazil, 4 Italy and Germany, 3 Argentine, 2 France, etc.), nothing else, and soccer fans are really toxic when their team fails at World‘s. If you don‘t love your team, you also don‘t hate it. You are not a fan (= fanatic) then. Nothing new in any sport top level …
the same tiresome comparisons. The reasons you list are why soccer is a terrible sport. The only thing that matters is money, everyone is corrupt, fans are so mentally ill that they'll kill people over games. If that's how you want it to be, good for you.
If you think everything comes down to winning the WC in football you have never paid any attention to football
Except no actual football fan thinks that way. Ask a Roma fan if they preferred the Scudetto or the WC. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Yo is Thorin lumping all T1 fans to a few twitter t1 fangirls being emotional? Like I get its boring to see T1 win all the time. But does he hate t1 that much?
I don’t think there is anything or anyone in the world that Thorin hates more than T1. At this point Thorin probably thinks T1 is worse than Stalin or Hitler
@notasaintjoseph7365 He doesn't hate T1. He hates *you* . And I don't blame him. *You* people are insufferable
jesus i cant take the thorin rage at t1 over and over and over every show
go read the ama before you open your mouth yapping like t1 were not offering him money or years what i learned today is t1 is the best org to be at they were wiling to pay him 4mill if that was offered t1 is fine with zeus leaving if he chooses to but t1 was not even given the chance to sign him and they respect zeus even after he left his agent is that called and said "sorry" after btw in my opinion zeus is fine to leave if he wants to but he should fire his agent he could have gotten the money and more with t1 then hle who no one in the worlds cares about
and neither are they entitled to that chance
T1 aren’t entitled to a negotiation, Zeus and his agency can sign with whoever they want, they had to November 18th and they couldn’t agree so he signed a better deal.
@@Treim0395 Whether T1 is entitled to that chance is irrelevant. These guys are stating something that's false. Joe Marsh did an AMA where he said T1 was willing to match any offer Zeus got.
So, this whole narrative of T1 trying to lowball Zeus is just false.
@@fascistzoomer Joe said from his AMA that T1 was willing to match whatever offer Zeus got. He even mentioned the 4 billion won. But the agency and maybe Zeus ghosted T1 and didn't even meet them when they agreed to meet to complete the contract. The agent never gave T1 a chance to counteroffer and was just silent the whole time. So there isn't even a better deal, they're gonna match the deal + the branding/merch and stuff. They did not lowball Zeus.
@@trh3xa174 But if they matched zeus offer. The rest is gonna be jelly. Dangerous slope.
t1 talked that they were willing to match any contract with negotiations its just thorins t1 hate
When thorin talks about t1 not winning much last year, even if you weighed worlds the same as domestic they won as much as hanwa
Hanes choked vs BLG. Not just Doran, peanut and delight too
Zeus
Did Rich really say Tian and not Peanut 😂😂😂
Hey man, that's the LPL Summer MVP ur dissing :))
pure conjecture on what would happen if roles, were reveresed, we don't know what would happen, i almost just didnt watch this with seieng thorin in the thumbnail until lfn gets off their anti t1 platform
thank god, Assuming I will finally see some decent takes on this mess!
From thorin? The church of Choke'vy pleb? Lmfao. RIP
@@StillKeepOnLosingfrom thorin lmfao he actually hates t1 don’t let him fool you on being objective . Only rich is objective thorin would say anything to shit on t1
Why is Thorin always hating on Zeka?
He’s literally leagues better than all of thorin’s favorite players. Keep coping lil bro
Leagues better than rookie?
@@oroszkelemen7973yes
Cause he's good but he's no chovy or knight so it's okay to hate.
Nah u can’t say eu competitors and nemesis are coward. Its just that LEC organisation sucks man. Its really not their fault that nobody want to be competitive internationally. Except that awful takes at the end great show keep going guys ^^
Was excited abput the episode from the thumbnail. Disappointed seeing who the guest is
What guest, are you mental? It's the same trio always present for the last 4 years
Thorin is bang on with the Zeus “scandal” nothing they did was wrong, this is all on T1.
Did you expect different from him ?! 😂
Lol. He is completely biased. Read the Joe Marsh ama. The agent would never submit a counteroffer while promising zeus would stay with T1. They ghosted T1and straight up lied about the 3pm deadline. HLE confirmed there was no deadline. The agent made it up.
@@hmj9783he just talks too much.
The bias from thorin is insane . When he talks about t1 I just skip.
You have a weak mindset brother
@@diegointriago6852 He's a church of Choke'vy pleb... They're delusional now
@explain lmfao he can never be objective I can take rich commentary on t1 because he is objective. Thorin just wants to rage bait and say outlandish things than when you point it out he will gaslight you
@@naamakala13 sometimes its not about weak mindset, if you know someone is gonna say stupid thing or very bias things in this case you will try to skip the part. Like if someone like yamato says you can listen as he is not bias.
Nearly an hour in and Thorin hasn’t said anything wildly biased against T1 lol
the whole problem is that we are discussing with people who dont have matured it seems.
are they all 15 year olds or something xd
all could had been solved if t1 just offerd a reasonable contract to zeus we wouldnt have this problemxd
well i dont think its a problem i couldnt care less about t1 hahah
Jesus Christ, it's been soooooooo long since the last ep
I would love to see thorin run a league team
18 min nonsense
this was the worst one to not be signed.
TSM "AFK Mid" LeChoke'vy James building yet again another Superteam.... To choke... Lmfao. Sad
Not a convoluted nickname at all.
That's why dom hate t1 fans ..you are reason why people hate t1 so much
@@MayankNautiyal-b3d Silly you. Dom led the charge with the arrogant church of Choke'vy plebs. Say.... where they all at now? I dont see "shaker" anymore. I wonder why? Puzzling.
Zue$ betrayed brotherhood and fans for money.
Zuda$
T1 absolutely fucked the rest of the three over, they probably got way less money than they could’ve gotten elsewhere and took advantage of their huge and the players loyalty by them just blindly believing every one of them would accept these subpar terms. So good on Zeus getting out of that shit.
Well from Joe's AMA, the other 3 wanted to stay with T1. It seems like only Zeus wanted to leave so no T1 did not fucked them over.
@@trh3xa174CEOs are know to alwyas tell the complete objective truth in amas and never obmit or falsify anything to make themselves and their company look better, especially not when they are in dispute with another party and want to get public support/placate a fanbase
change this shity white background, its unwatchable when its dark in the room
turn a light on. It's bad for your eyes to watch things in darkness :)
@@RichsWrath you will get more viewers with darker bg, people literally use dark mode everywhere
T1 was so arrogant that they made the best player on the team wait last.
Go get the bag Zeus.
You can only come to this conclusion if you don’t innately like T1 lol
Arrogant is you've already made a conclusion before you even have the facts...
They had an agreement my guy.
Don't get blinded by your hate.
buddy is getting exactly the same money
@@simone-fz9hl 400k more is not the same
The bias from thorin is insane . When he talks about t1 I just skip.
The bias from diegotriago6852 is insane. When he talks about Thorin I just skip
The bias from @dirtydard4870 is insane. When he talks about Thorin I just skip
How do you know its biased if you skipped it tho?he Was pretty on point if u ask me
@ I literally watched the whole thing and no he aint.
@@diegointriago6852 So then you didn't skip ? Lol