Desktop Pc Power Supply Repair part 1
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The blue component wrapped in heatshrink you removed is most likely a MOV, not a cap. Metal Oxide Varistor. It goes short-circuit when the voltage across its terminals exceeds a certain threshold and blows the fuse for overvoltage protection. This supply most likely experienced a surge on the mains.
I have spent 3 decades repairing electronic boards. I really enjoy watching you because these repairs are difficult. I like your camera set up and electronic equipment. I’m an old dog looking for new tricks in the electronic field. I would use an infrared gun to see what’s so hot. Harbor freights for 20$ infrared Gun. Soldering iron not hot enough? Then heat soldier on pin and add fresh soldier to that pin. The new soldier will heat the pin up faster and penetrate the board. This is my 50 th year in the Petrochemical field. I’m an Instrumentation and license journeyman
You with power supply, myself with my home '08 LG 42lcd with bad gamma chip AS15-F on the tcon.
Currently pondering on 1) change for 3-4€ the broken smd /may get it tomorrow but have no advanced tools at home, 2) change the tcon board for 20-30€ 3) for 2x the tcon price, get another same model lcd. Ah fixing modern electronics!
Thank you so much for doing this video. I am watching this over and over again cause I have a similar problem. You have no idea how much it means to me to have a step by step I can follow. I am so happy you read my comment 😊
Better to use a series bulb for testing if u r afraid of fireworks ☺
not just when you're afraid ;) that's a must have thing when fixing switchmode powersuplies.
@@robertjung8929 better a current limiting transformer that also can be regulated
@@djtongi nope you don't need regulation... incandescent lightbulb in series is the ultimate tool. if the PSU is shorted on primary the lightbulb will light up and limit the current to it's own rated value... if the bulb stays cold or dim it means primary is safe to be connected directly.
Robert Jung yes i know that, i‘m „meister“ in electronics in germany.
sure you don’t need regulation but a transformer limits the current during measuring or further testig. the bulb method is the safest way to test at startup. the smaller watts the bulb the better the current „protection“, but because of the capacitor load on first plug in, the bulb can light up and stay lighted without damage in the device, so this is not always a bad sign :)
The independent power supply is a fantastic diagnostic tool; essential for fault finding ! Absolutely fascinating Sir !
Varistors are used to protect a circuit from high voltage surges, in other words MOV or TVR, really need to replace that capacitors that has swollen, Power supply will be unstable
yeah! he forget about that capacitors. buuuuu
21:26 ist not a capacitor its a voltage dependent resistor
Yup a varistor as a part of the protection will also be my bet ;)
Yes the varistor and the fuse work together if the voltage goes above the varistor limit he will blow the fuse for protecting the circuit short explanation
Sorin think that it was a capacitor because it has blue color. I justed to see mov/varistor on yellow or green, or red/brown color. Blue is more often used for capactiors. So i did the same mistake as he did.
Power supplies of TVs and computers are my daily tasks, not so hard to repair, they are the most common fails, and a good money to earn by quantity, it require some experience. But i really find it easier than your usual jobs :-D. The key element in power supply it to always firstly check the switching transistor or IC and diodes to don't lose time, it is the main culprit when any shorts occurs.
I just love these videos! Capacitor shorted usually explode.
That fuse is approved and calibrated to UL specifications.
dont be daft your not old pal. keep up the good work
We need more desktop motherboard and psu repairs master...
Well done sorin :-D
It's possible the 12v supply has a dodgy capacitor, less voltage than expected.
People say you are dodgy. They should see someone cut the wires from a mini psu, solder them to a normal psu and use it outside the computar box as an external psu. I can confirm it does work. Looks like crap, but works.
High end PSU's are a good source for high end transistors, buck convertors etc. Usually half bridge topology but i can get hard to tell these days with layout. Its worth fixing certain PSU's i know a fellow who does the stuff rated for medical devices... good money.
Dear sorin you are grate , like these devices i use series lamp tester with 200 watt for test power supplies i made it in a box with 2 lamps on series it is more safe for test not to blowing the parts and put it with your other testers also I figured that you dont have solder sucker tool its important with boards like that its useful for you .. regards
Get a solder sucker Sorin and replace the over-voltage protection...
How the hell do you keep from losing screws. If that was me they would be all over the floor and disappeared.
Put. Normall 100w light bulb in place of the fuse if it glows bright it’s still short if it’s dim or pulsing it’s ok and fixed
Tell me about this
chaz brandon serunjoji what do you need to know ?
Im in a phase where first thing i do after i see Sorin video is like.
Thanks for sharing. It’s good!
Haha, thanks for granting my wish ! I just used today a old desktop PSU for power up a car amplifier to use in my garage, and it works nicely. Great video, and That Manuel reaction cracked me up.. lol ..
Hy Sorin, always is something to learn from your videos, carry on, classic nice one with the smoke recognize , you need to make some video about smokes faults type
Helpful repair video
Thank you very much.
Sorin, which flavour do you like in your vapor the most? burnt capacitor or semiconductor?
but really, when doing this kind of work on power supplys, i recommend you to get an testing-transformer, that can be regulated from 0-250V AC and has a short circuit limiting to 3-5 Amps, so you don't get the entire short-circuit-current with arcing from the public power line. Every Radio and TV technician used these back in the day. Another advantage is, that they're not grounded, so you are 1 touch farer away getting electrified.
BOOOO!!! You forget about that swollen capacitor here 4:01 The output voltage will be unstable during load, and on one day it will fails again.
And as lot of people have said here, that blue element was MOV/varistor not capacitor. BUT I did the same mistake as you. Becasue it has blue color, I think the same as you, that it was capacitor. I justed to see mov/varistor on yellow or green, or red/brown color and blue more often used for capactiors. So this one i understand. But not that swollen capacitor form the beginng. it is fail :)
Nice video
thanks for sharing. you are helping me a lot.
when i did hoe and small business PC and Networking 20 years ago we had a client that had an expensive CNC machine that ran off a windows 98 pc. he said he could take the hard drive out and put it into another PC but it had to be the same make and model mainboard , network card, modem and especially video card or the program for the CNC machine would not load. We had a scare when he called our dispatch department and said his computer would not boot after a thunderstorm. I went there luckily it was his power supply. He said it would cost $159k to upgrade to a whole new CNC machine and a new windows xp PC. I told him i would go on eBay and try to find like type hardware listed hardware for above for the windows 98 pc. Never saw him again, got a corporate IT job.
The 12V rails is low because this is a group regulated PSU. It looks for the 5V to be close. If 5V is not loaded at all the 12V has to be low because it rises with 5V load. This problem is well knowen nowerdays.
u r right, thx
I know I am late to the party, but I have seen things like this while working on my JVC Home theatre setup that kept blowing the main filter capacitor.
What happens is that this has a complicated design that makes the first filter caps act as a voltage doubler. There is a voltage sensor circuit in the input calibrated to 120 volts or so. If the input voltage is below that, the system senses it as connected to a 110 V supply (US) and connects two nodes via a triac to act as a voltage doubler. If input is more than 120 V it senses the input to be from 220 V and disconnects the doubler network. While this setup worked ,the main filter cap always see 220 V and is rated to max 400V. In my case, the triac shorted to death leaving the voltage doubler to be always on. When plugged in to 220V supply that filter cap got fed with 440 V and fried. Removing that shorted triac solved the problem.
He fixes it by sense of smell !
you need some low melt solder to help your iron get of high temp bits off the board
Greetings!
Great channel, watched every episode.
I bought not knowingly ps4 with BLOD...
Will there be episode about it, what is easiest way to pinpoint a exact reason of malfunction.
Analog multimeter and simple soldering iron are all tools I have.
Let the magic smoke appear ! 😇
16:11 you can feel the smoke ....
best part
Your tips are always good but what do you do when repairing a motherboard and there no form of heat on a dead motherboard but it is getting voltage
Metal Oxide Varistor Sorin, remember not capacitor smoke.
Whilst I get that the knowledge share of diagnosis is very good here, it worries me that for the sake of a couple of components (fuse, MOV etc) you are showing that a bit of wire or leaving out bits is acceptable, even jokingly (for testing I get it) - even if the fuse or MOV was replaced off camera, I'm sure there are viewers out there that think a bit of wire or omission is acceptable because that's what they saw and will then go away and do the same without realising. All those bits are easily available from CPC, Farnell, RS etc, even Ebay for one off and hardly a long lead time (or even pillaged from another item). I get that for low voltage stuff, leaving out the odd component (e.g. smoothing cap) is probably going to have a negligible effect, but on the mains side it's not worth the risk in my opinion (even if there are other safety measures in place e.g. plug fuse, MCB etc) - the day one repair has a consequential loss and the repair industry gets a bad rep and gives the anti-repair lobby something to use as a stick is not worth it for a few pence on a fuse or MOV in my opinion. I like the fact that you are prepared to share knowledge but it would be good if you can conclude with the next steps i.e. fuse and MOV *should/will* be replaced for best practice :)
Can MOV's fail with age or has it just been doing its job with small spikes over the last 20 years?
They degrade. Not with age, but with handling small spikes. Eventually they go short circuit.
Heh quite a smoke test. Nice vid by the way!
I had to open my window wath a heavy smoke😂
Nice screwdriver!
It's probably a Varisor, nd should be replaced, is a protective device for over voltage...
It is just a capacitor to filter high frequency noise signals
Feeding DC voltage to the DC side of the bridge in correct polarity bridge burns it out
Hi I would like to know which type of wire You used as a temporary fuse until You put a actual fuse in.?
I have a Power supply that fuse blew but can not find out why the fuse blown yet even after replacing Fuse.
Sorin:
You have over 130k subscribers. Someone should send you some free tools, like FLIR thermal camera, soldering station, etc. etc.
Maybe you should create a regular "Mailbag" video.?!!
‘X’ and ‘Y’ capacitors, as well as TVR (or MOV) and fuses are important for security and should always be replaced.
Hi sorin don't you have to replace the burned capacitor?
thx for this
Also if try continuity on the mosfets output and input its shows no resistance like its shorted, or somevhere else, could I check that with analog multimeter?
Thank You .
29:00 i had so many times thinking like that, should i plug it or not. On me the things are 50/50 ( OK/Blow)
for THIS reason, there are testing-transformers, that can be regulated from 0-250V AC and have a short circuit limiting to 3-5 Amps, so you don't get the entire short-circuit-current from the public power line. Sorin maybe you should get one of these. Every Radio and TV technician used these back in the day. Another advantage is, that they're not grounded, so you are 1 touch farer away getting electrified.
@@djtongi i use a light bulb when testing :)
It is an expensive power supply which you often find in servers or PC racks. With those kind of power supplies it is like a cartel they charge too much money for what it is. They have the power to run graphic cards multiple hard drives and various add-ons they usually live a lot longer than a PC. The oblong shape is to keep them away from other components in a crowded server or PC rack. He could have purchased one from HP at an inflated price.
Amazing video Mr. Sorin! As always, of course.
Where did you get that cool electrical screwdriver? If you don't mind me asking.
I'm quite sure that's the xiaomi wowstick.
Thé screwdriver is on sale by AliExpress I think wowstick, ifu is cheaper and some has more tork i order one immediately for myself, there are many brands wowstick is one of them
Differed bits in thé set
I Prefer ifu due to thé comments from customers
Thé one on thé video is wowstick I think has one two way button, ifu has two buttons . Versions chargerbattery or aa battery
You really should replace that swollen electrolytic caps, You'll have a bad ripple on your secondary voltages.. That blown component is a MOV, (variable resistor)for handling voltage spikes (resistance goes down if higher voltages are applied).
you could image the hard drive
Nobody: Fireworks
Sorin: I Will Speak to My Colleague, He Can Plug It .... super villain laugh [Ha Ha Ha Ha ]
best humor I have seen all day
couple for sale on ebay but i guess its a risk if no gaurantee
I like the smell of a burning components it feels that I am high lol
few people said that im too late to start chip level repair but i study and follow everything i can, but i disappointed these days
Never too late. Join the discord and learn together
@@faizelosman3462 thanks bro
First you try and learn from you faults, that's thé best way Sorin is a great man you can learn a lot from his video's
@@bernardvermeulen8031 thanks bro
That much video for a blown MOV, you know the guy is inexperienced when this happens
You are comic with it will be a little Chernobyl.cant stop 😁😃😀😂🤪
Helloo Sorin, great videos, how to discharge a 480v capacitor?
With filamen lamp 2 pcs with seri connetion voltage 220v just ok
Why don't you use a sucker. That suck solder from bord
That PSU didn't know you can't smoke indoors.
I want semiconductor vape for my Juul!!
I think that was a VARISTOR!
is not worth to repare power supplies since the person who uses this doesn't have a proper AVR to protect it. :/
Tell me Sorin ,do you have a desoldering pump.I noticed that you all component desolder with a copper wire,why?
And i think that is the capacitor not voltage resistor ,this part coms out after the bridge recetifier not before.
Never approach SMPS repair without series connected light bulb!!! (...,or any similar device, such as VFD,....).
Good night, I'm from Rio de Janeiro Brazil, could you help me? I'm with a source like that, the same on and off soon after, could you help me, I'm grateful in advance.
Gorgeous
I know I'm late around one year, but, it's painful to look someone torturing himself about PSU topology: It's half-bridge, like any ATX PSU, or may be, but rarely, 2-transistor forward , with switch for 110V for voltage doubler, and passive PFC choke. Every capacitor connected in series serves one transistor in pair., for half a PWM period. That blue thing inside heat shrinking material can be interference capacitor in parallel to main electrolytic capacitors. It's simple to check: see the screen on PCB, should be some symbol for component.
Check what semiconductors and how many there are, so you can check them first. If fuse was blown, almost 100%b, some semiconductor is broken (voltage or thermal breakdown).
In my branch, which is VFDs and DC Inverter air conditioner boards, I always come across the same circuits found in switching power supplies. In fact, every single inverter for motor drive has it's own SMPS with multiple rails, of which are many with different grounds on the low voltage side.
As someone already have mentioned, always use series bulb for soft and safe plug into mains. I have my "magic" box with 3 bulbs, different wattages, which can be combined in parallel, for various ranges of converters. If bulbs are turned off after bulk capacitors are charged, then I press switch, which via contactor bypasses bulbs, and plugs full mains voltage into circuit.
Also, never work with power converters without variac.
the guy has never seen a varistor … :D
If you don't like fireworks why don't you use a 60W bulb instead a wire to replace the fuse? If there is any short circuit in the schematic, you have light instead fireworks and smoke and nothing is more damaged than in the present
Stop fixing things and come to Australia for visit mate 😁🇦🇺
come on out old man and go fishing with me! oh.. there is a second one today... going there..
It's a MOV #facepalm how can you not know it Sorin?
you the best
sir pls my pc is not giving out 5v in the usb port
Sorin fixing by nose hehe:)
And no hot glue this time
some one change input voltage 220v to 110v thats why... if i am not wrong
Smps "switch mode power supply" try it
love your videos =)
Why fix something so old ?
Sorin , did you put the soldering iron in you mouth at 24mins ?
More Cool..."Nice Smoke.."
getting high on smokes :)))))))
Never the fuse!!!
Brilliant !!!!
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What 'paul sig' said: it's not a capacitor. I think it is one of those over-voltage protection devices. I don't know what those parts are called but you often find them in those circuit protecting power plugs. If someone switches that PSU to 120V input voltage while it is connected to 240V, this part will short out and blow the fuse, thus protecting the capacitors and the rest of the PSU. That poor part sacrificed itself and saved the PSU.
If you don't replace it, then you should bypass that switch and permanently wire it for 240V.
EDIT: Bypass is the wrong word. Leave it open, by disconnecting it. When open, it's just a 240V full bridge rectifier. When closed, it probably connects the center point of the caps to one of the full bridge rectifier's inputs. On that way, while the input is positive, it charges one capacitor to 120V. While it's negative, it will charge the other. Result is again 240V. Actually, 400V, because it will charge to the level of the peak of the incoming AC.
Interesting. When on 120V setting, just two diodes of the rectifier will see current. And still, 400V will be available for the chopper and the transformer.
burned component is named "MOV" and in some PSU pcb is named "ZNR"
@@najibd3824 Yeah.. a MOV. Thanks!
it's not capacitor, its varistor,
Sorry its a varistor :)
Sorin, are you drunk little bit ?
Otherwise I feel this tutorial .
Thanks
"It will work without it", followed by knowing grin......
It will work yes but most likely wouldn't pass a surge test which is required by safety agencies around the world....
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