(23.8) Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite, for he is thy brother; thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian, because thou wast a stranger in his land. (23.9) The children of the third generation that are born unto them may enter into the assembly of the LORD.” (Deuteronomy 23.7-8, JPS) 22:49
This son was not a third generation, but now I understand why this son was allowed to live to adulthood. By cursing HaShem he lost the chance of having future progeny becoming part of the Assembly. Wow so thought provoking... Aleph Beta has such excellent teachings!
Very thought provoking! My mind is exploding with more questions about potential connections. Is there some connection here as to why Jacob "invited into his tent" (made like his own sons Bereshith 48:5) Ephraim and Manasseh? While their father was and Israelite, their mother was an Egyptian. Is this why there is no position of inheritance (literally no further mention) of the sons of Moshe, as they are sons of a mixed marriage and especially for a Levite (Wayyiqra 21:14)? Joshua fills Moshe's position rather than his sons in contrast with Aaron and his sons. Is there a connection to Aaron and Miriam's rebellion in questioning Moshe's marriage to the Cushite woman (Bemidbar 12:1) Is there any connection, possibly bringing the whole thing full circle, to the daughters of Zelophehad and their bringing their "case to court" and the determination being that they should inherit, but that they should marry within their tribe?
This made my mind explode also, but it went a different direction. I also thought about Dinah and Batsheva, but Batsheva especially. I had questions about Zipporah and children also, but it was pointed out to me that although Moses Children are not mentioned in the genealogy of Moses in the Torah itself, they became listed among the levites in Chronicles. So they did take up a relatively high positions among the Assembly unlike this particular son of the Egyptian.
Question? Looks a little like Moshe is trying to hide a witness to his murder of the Eygption ! If a man takes the life of another his life will be required. Will be waiting for your next lesson . G-D Bless U 🖖🙏🖖
so 23:21 regarding lineage and tribal affiliation. Show in the Torah what occurs to those with lineage confirmation yet without inheritance confirmation and what occurs by their assignment as they have no tribe yet worship as an Israelite by the tenets of Torah. There are after all not 12 but 13 tribes - not a tribe of Joseph, but instead Ephraim and Manasseh - which form the house of Joseph - who’s mother was an Egyptian which then disqualifies them as able to call themselves with the house of Israel… this is thus far the only issue i have seen within the national status determining ones relationship to the 12 which are actually 13.
This is so interesting!! It gets me thinking from there that perhaps this has some small similarity to the story with King David & Batsheva in a way also, but instead of the baby dying shortly after, was allowed to live to adulthood.... Maybe the Egyptian saw that the Jewish girl was beautiful and he took her against her will and she was supposed to be the promised bride or wife of another and he didn't want to honor the marriage or child now that she was damaged goods and this was what the fight Moses saw was about the next day. Perhaps Moses didn't t see what prompted the Egyptian to beat the outraged Israelite on the first day.
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Beautiful analysis.
(23.8) Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite, for he is thy brother; thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian, because thou wast a stranger in his land. (23.9) The children of the third generation that are born unto them may enter into the assembly of the LORD.” (Deuteronomy 23.7-8, JPS) 22:49
This son was not a third generation, but now I understand why this son was allowed to live to adulthood. By cursing HaShem he lost the chance of having future progeny becoming part of the Assembly. Wow so thought provoking... Aleph Beta has such excellent teachings!
Very thought provoking! My mind is exploding with more questions about potential connections. Is there some connection here as to why Jacob "invited into his tent" (made like his own sons Bereshith 48:5) Ephraim and Manasseh? While their father was and Israelite, their mother was an Egyptian. Is this why there is no position of inheritance (literally no further mention) of the sons of Moshe, as they are sons of a mixed marriage and especially for a Levite (Wayyiqra 21:14)? Joshua fills Moshe's position rather than his sons in contrast with Aaron and his sons. Is there a connection to Aaron and Miriam's rebellion in questioning Moshe's marriage to the Cushite woman (Bemidbar 12:1) Is there any connection, possibly bringing the whole thing full circle, to the daughters of Zelophehad and their bringing their "case to court" and the determination being that they should inherit, but that they should marry within their tribe?
This made my mind explode also, but it went a different direction. I also thought about Dinah and Batsheva, but Batsheva especially. I had questions about Zipporah and children also, but it was pointed out to me that although Moses Children are not mentioned in the genealogy of Moses in the Torah itself, they became listed among the levites in Chronicles. So they did take up a relatively high positions among the Assembly unlike this particular son of the Egyptian.
Question? Looks a little like Moshe is trying to hide a witness to his murder of the Eygption ! If a man takes the life of another his life will be required. Will be waiting for your next lesson . G-D Bless U 🖖🙏🖖
so 23:21 regarding lineage and tribal affiliation. Show in the Torah what occurs to those with lineage confirmation yet without inheritance confirmation and what occurs by their assignment as they have no tribe yet worship as an Israelite by the tenets of Torah.
There are after all not 12 but 13 tribes - not a tribe of Joseph, but instead Ephraim and Manasseh - which form the house of Joseph - who’s mother was an Egyptian which then disqualifies them as able to call themselves with the house of Israel…
this is thus far the only issue i have seen within the national status determining ones relationship to the 12 which are actually 13.
This is so interesting!! It gets me thinking from there that perhaps this has some small similarity to the story with King David & Batsheva in a way also, but instead of the baby dying shortly after, was allowed to live to adulthood.... Maybe the Egyptian saw that the Jewish girl was beautiful and he took her against her will and she was supposed to be the promised bride or wife of another and he didn't want to honor the marriage or child now that she was damaged goods and this was what the fight Moses saw was about the next day. Perhaps Moses didn't t see what prompted the Egyptian to beat the outraged Israelite on the first day.