He rode his bike and took a violin from England to Hong Kong... Ed Le Brocq violin shop conversation
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Cycling from England to Hong Kong with a violin - Teaching Music in Afganistan - Learning a totally new instrument later in life... and Teaching Adult learners vs Children.
Master Violinmaker and restorer talks to Violist, Author, String Teacher, Radio Announcer Ed Le Brocq.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
02:02 Introducing Ed Le Brocq
03:55 What Got Ed into Playing
06:40 Cycling from England to Hong Kong
10:00 What's different about teaching adults to kids?
16:15 Learning the Correct Posture as an Adult
20:30 Ed's Oldest Beginner Student
22:32 Ed's Advice for Adult Learners
30:10 Conclusion
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I really enjoyed this talk. I always tell my adult students that the violin police will not arrest them if they make an odd sound. Adult students need to give themselves grace when they are learning.
That was a great video with Ed. Back several decades ago I had a sabbatical of 13 years before coming back into playing in an orchestra again (a certain well known (late) conductor had said something that put me off) & then coming back to playing 2nd violin in Brahms 1st symphony was a little challenging, but I had new determination then (nearly 3 decades ago). I had another break from orchestral playing nearly two decades ago where I had been playing viola in the last number of years & then got into some Scottish fiddle & bush music for a number of years, but now I'm trying to get my enthusiasm back again as I play viola (myself & a less experienced player) in our local orchestra. I tried in 2020 before covid (& health) got in the way, but got back into it last year through two concerts & into it this year.
Speaking of adults learning, when I played with the other orchestra (3 decades ago) there was a cellist that in his later life before he retired had decided he'd like to learn an instrument & took up the cello, so it had been 6 years from starting that I met him as I was getting stuck into Brahms 1st symphony & OK, there were some passages he struggled a bit in with some of the music we played, but he got to enjoy playing in the orchestra all the same (it was a community symphony orchestra).
Love that you had a violist on for the chat. Viola was my first instrument that I had inherited from my older brother. Can you imagine a 10 year old girl playing a 16" viola? I worked and became very good. I played through high school including 3 years in the local youth symphony. In college I went off and pursued other things, but came back 40 years later. At that time I had the money to put in on private lessons where I had to break a bad bow hold and a weak 4th finger. At that age the biggest change I made was using a shoulder rest. I grew up not using one but my neck would start hurting more than anyting else. The simple change of adding a shoulder rest helped SO much.
I did not use lines growing up so I had to learn from ear the finger placement. I am a substitute teacher who goes into orchestra classes and work with students most who have lines. Every once in a while, I would hear a note out of tune and I would alert the student to tune the finger. I always get the response "That is where the line is." My response is that they are just a hint to where to place a finger so you have to listen and adjust.
I have learned more my second time around than I did when I was young, so just keep working. That is my advice to older students. It is so worth the time and care you put into it.
No one died because of scratchy sound!!!
Great passionate talks between you two. Anyone can play an instrument child or adult. When the sound of the instrument matures, you see a different perspective of playing. Play on musicians!
Oh my gosh!!! My 7 year old plays violin and cello for the same orchestra Ed played in when he was young here in Shrops. What a small world and what a fascinating gentleman. Thank you so much for sharing Olaf!!
As an old fart at 64 years old, and one of his former students, I have to say that Ed is a wonderful teacher. When I get over some major health & employment issues, I'll very much look to going back to having lessons with him. Oh and of course, we already know that Olaf does a great job with his shop.
Love to meet Ed!
I enjoy your channel a lot, not a player but a very dedicated listener, and Ed has been our favourite Classic FM presenter for Very Many years.
Very wonderful chat. In regards to marking instruments for tuning. Those markings eventually fade or if using tape the glue wears and the tapes move . So learning by hearing is really the best way
Great guy! I got a lot of inspiration from Ed! And, of course, from Master Olaf! Now, as Brett and Eddy wouls say, I need to go practice for 40 hours!
I love the advice about playing 'like a child'! In the beginning I learned by attempting to force myself to sound good, but once I just started playing by improving for fun, my playing really started to relax and take off--much more fun too!
We used to call that “common” sense; ironically that was back in the day when it was assumed you were either a boy or a girl. My point is actually, that child like curiosity applied to learning should really have been obvious, but life has many shades of gray; a black and white dualistic approach is more often that not an incorrect assumption.
Wow, this was great. Thanks Ed and Olaf. (Very) adult beginner here... I feel that we value our practice time and our lessons because we're the ones having to work to pay for them... or in my case, carry on working in retirement! Re 'marking' note positions, I couldn't manage without my electronic tuner that sits across the peg box. As time has gone by (18 months now), I've found I can now discern when I've played say a G# instead of G natural... so my 'ear' must be improving... Great advice in this vid. I've had the odd day when I'm just not hitting the spot... and it's still rather a 'hit or miss' affair... so instead of continuing to 'flog a dead horse' (not a v good metaphor!), I've given myself a break for a day or so and, as you commented, came back playing better. I think we have to remind ourselves that we've taken on a really challenging instrument; throw zero musical theory knowledge into the mix and it goes up a few more notches. I still don't know my crotchets from my quavers but I do know that if it's got a black blob with a stick that means there are 3 to each bar of 3/4 time. My tutor thinks I'm hilarious. Fun pieces? Hmmm..... That's good advice. Mine is the Canadian National Anthem... Don't ask. I'm a UK citizen...
I know this is an old video but I love that blue/white case in the background! 😻
This was a fantastic discussion, thank you Ed and Olaf
I did rent a violin... for the first two weeks, then I bought a good beginner instrument and have been enjoying it for coming up on a year and a half.
looking forward to Ed's book, i recently picked it up! Great video Olaf
Very interesting and informative interview that wasn't the least bit stilted or forced. A lovely conversation between two people passionate about music and string instruments.
At 72 I am iny second year I just love the violin vibrato with arthritis is making it harder
He seems like such a fascinating person. I might have to pick up his books.
Great, great, great video
That was a great chat!
I love the focus on adult learners, I started learning violin almost 2years ago, I’ll be 39 this year. I started on an inexpensive Franz Hoffmann, set up pretty good but not that great of sound quality, within six months of beginning my teacher brought up that ultimately this instrument would hold me back from really progressing. After a month of her encouraging me to at least try out some better violins, my search for a new instrument began. Shortly before my search began I discovered your channel, so as I tried out about 20 different violins I checked them against your 7 things to check before buying a violin. I narrowed it down to three violins, and borrowed them for a couple of weeks. I practiced with all three daily and one consistently spoke to me over the others. Without telling my teacher my top choice, she tried them out and although all of them sounded better than my first violin one stood out. It was the my top choice, she did say that I should go with the one I liked the most since all three were good. Anyhow, I’ve been playing this one for a year now and it’s sound has grown with me. My teacher still tells me that I’ve not hit the full potential of my current violin, this is great to me. According to her I am progressing quite well and and at a great pace, I told her it didn’t seem that way. Her response was, that is because you already know in your head how it should sound so you recognize mistakes more quickly. As an adult learner that struck me, maybe as adults we are a bit more critical of our own mistakes while learning. My 5yo is learning and rather than dwelling on her mistakes she celebrates every step forward in her progress. A bit humbling, in a good way, as a father for my daughter to celebrate like that where I get caught up in dwelling on mistakes.
😎Good talk.
I forget to back off sometimes. Knowing when to push is no less important than when not to. 👍
Really enjoyed hearing Ed talk. You have to love his enthusiasm
Really liked the chat, kinda wished he played his viola a little for us though
I have several very old violins that are also very ugly. Their tone is wonderful. I don't care what they look like. Their appearance is authentic. They are from old time fiddlers. I doubt any of the previous owners owned a case. My grandfather (born in 1889) carried his violin, on horseback, in a drawstring bag hanging from the saddle horn. He crossed many mountains to play for dances, including Jackson, Wyoming. He said "If you can't play from the back of a horse you aint a violinist. He hated the word fiddle.
What a wonderful interview, thank you for sharing ❤
Great and informative interview ,very easy and casual interviewing techniques Olaf, makes for easy listening 👏👏👏
Very interesting chat.
here we go folks
Oh how I wish I had a violinmaker like Olaf in my area 😢
Can you do a video about baroque bows?
I do not mean to criticize anyone's beliefs or religion, but banning music is a bit extreme I think. What purpose could such a ban actually serve?
Banning music would certainly do harm to people, but what possible benefit could there be?