Back around 1997 there was an article about a science paper. Seems around 1987 some archeologists found, in London, the skeleton of a priestess. She was in woman's clothing and had women's jewelry and bangles. Upon examining the skeleton, it was learned it was of a male! They packed it all up and put it away. Back in 1987 nobody wanted to know about a transvestite priestess in Roman London! About 10 years later, some other students were looking for something interesting and pulled out the skeleton again. Sure enough, it was a Gali priestess of Cybele! I think it was the first proof that such priestesses got all the way to London. (Long ago lost the link to this article.)
If my high school teachers had taught history like you do, I would have been an "A" student. Thanks for all your videos and your novel approach to teaching.
This type of history is college level. High school level is very hard because there is so much history and only so much time. His style is compelling, in that sense you are correct.
The story of Cybele & Atys is eerily similar to what happened during my last relationship. Another great video Stefan! I hope you have a great Christmas man. Merde to you! P.S: and a Happy New Year!
Oof... I know what you mean. (Metaphorically, right? Jeez, I hope so! 🙏) Well, maybe I have a reason to 'celebrate' my previous relationships that, TBH, I fucked up...I oughtta bang my cymbals.
"The Gala were priests of the Sumerian goddess Inanna. They made up a significant number of the personnel of both temples and palaces, the central institutions of Mesopotamian city states. These were thought in modern times to have been individuals with neither male nor female gender identities."
"Placed converts in a hole in the ground and sacrificed a bull over them" A macabre question springs to mind: How much blood in a bull? Thank you internet: 55ml/kg How many kg in a large bull? Thanks again internet: Up to 1300kg So .055 x 1300 = 71.5 liters Since my large rucksack that I carry when I go camping is only 60 liters, I'd say, not all that much blood.
Enough for a shower. Apparently, an average one in America lasts for 8 minutes and uses up 65 litres (thank you internet!), so there's even a little extra if you missed a spot.
Here I've been thinking for decades that the taurobolium was associated with the cult of Mithras; learn something every day! Thanks for the video. Happy Holidays.
I was only researching this cult so I'm not 100% sure. If wikipedia is to be believed though the Taurobolium was practiced by different cults but after the 2nd century AD, only with Cybele and Atys.
@@StefanMilo Works for me. I did a cursory search when I wrote the comment, but found no references to Mithras in conjunction with the taurobolium; but I found many references to Mithras and tauroctony, or the act of killing a bull. I suspect the relationship between Mithras, tauroctony and taurobolium may have been disproven, perhaps by evidence of Cybele, Atys and the taurobolium.
I remember reading that there was a festival in which the candidates for the priesthood would parade through the streets and throw away their gonads, hither and thither. ☆ Not quite the Gay Mardi Gras, but close
Very good work... To the best of my knowledge, they survived until the 700 CE... Can't remember source on it but do remember the Emperor Julian said he was a Mithran... So maybe an attempt to make sure he didn't happen again...
Pronunciations are infamously difficult ... and regional .. and after 45yrs of studying history I'd say 'not something to get too hung up on' .. nor anything else in history for that matter. 1 We don't how much of what we 'know' is true .. 2. History is a kinda science in that we are always making efforts to improve our knowledge, and be more objective .. Well, we used to be ..!!! .. worryingly we seem to be coming more subjective (without knowing the difference = poor education), and partisan .. which will end in cherry-picking, book burning or some such nonsense (as history shows). "The one thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history ... - this is a double-entendre of amazing proportions .. :-)
Good question. There was a difference in pronunciation depending on the class/dialect and location. So you have the name "Caesar" being sommonly pronounced "Saesae" while the title "Caesar" being pronounced "Kaesar" If Cybele falls under the same dialectical rules as the word "Caesar" then on Britain, probably Sybele.
We all know about Cybele and Attis, but never heard of the combination Cybele and Atys. The latter we know as a king. Why this sudden confusion? Why did you change a well known name? Are you turning into an American?
Is there a connection from the religious ceremonies of Cybele and Arts, where the Priests ran around banging cymbals and hollow drums, to the Christian New Testament book of Corinthians (Ch.13, I think 🤔) wherein an vain and prideful celebrant or follower of Christ is said to be 'as a clanging cymbal'...? Wow. Now, as I wrote that... 'Cymbal', Cybele', 'Celebite' (sp?), etc (and 'celebrate' and other 'cele'- words (cerebellum?) have gotta have etymological connections, right? anyone? So many questions... Great vid!
Im confused, your quote mentioned "corn" but corn as I use the word is a specific new world crop and thus unknown to the Romans. Are they using the word to mean basically staple grain? 4:57
corn in British speak can refer to any grain. In the context of Roman history even American writers may use the word to refer to grain generically, usually wheat. It's just kind of tradition carried over from Gibbon i guess v('-')v
That's right. Corn originally meant any kind of grain. Eventually in north america corn became conflated with maize and now we hardly use the word maize and now call it corn.
Yup, originally corn referred to (a) grain or seed, wheat, barley, or whatever. When a maize seed is separated from the cob it becomes a corn. To the crazy English settlers, at least. Hope that makes sense!
Mercy, I'm pleased to be "Irish, Basque-Irish American" (even though I apply Higher-Minde + Conscious Thought, all those years that I was unaware of this option for a more mature and harmonious life experience - I recall with a clarity of the higher reactory emotional state and the undesirable anxieties associated with the Ego-Mind - the more Adolescent Drama - I'm reminded of by MS News Media and the behaviors they evoke - DT a more even distorted state of the subject, due to his being an NPD). However, there remains a most interesting plethora of subject matter around the pEople's of this World - their Orgins and their Behaviors in their Cultures and in their aggressions. Oh to have "a Book of Facts" on these and related subjects. The Christmas custom shared - took me down this Thought Road. 😳
Do Mandaenism. Or are you only looking for dead religions? Because there's only a few thousand left. They're almost extinct but very interesting. Again, I love those Eastern Orthodox Icons on your fireplace mantle. Who are the 2 that share and icon? Is it of Boris and Gleb? Great video
Wait a minute, how can a Roman prayer from before year 400 of the CE in England include corn 🌽 (maize), which wouldn’t appear in Europe until after 1000 years later when Columbus and later voyages brought maize back to Spain and Europe alongside tobacco and potatoes....
It's not corn like maize, the Germanic word corn predates the Columbian Exchange and was used to mean seed or cereal crop. In the US you don't see that meaning very often, it's much more common in the UK and in translations of classical texts/inscriptions.
Wow, I've got a new least favourite religion! And here I thought the Aztecs and their sacrificing of everybody that volunteered and that didn't volunteer and their pulling of barbed wires through their lips and noses was the worst. It doesn't even make sense, why is a fertility cult associated with castration? And she's a virgin? So she loved this one dude but castrated and killed him and then remained single for the rest of her immortality? Why is she a fertility goddess? That being said: I love your videos. I really enjoy somebody conveying interesting information in a calm voice instead of shouting into my face. Thank you. Keep it up and you be you.
my understanding is that when the word "virgin" is used in that area & time period it usually means an unmarried woman, not necessarily one who hasn't had sex. although in this case it is probably reasonable to assume she never had sex
This is vastly oversimplified and doesn't include most of the rhetoric around the mythos. Additionally, Cybelianism still exists today and is even recognized as a religion in the US. Like you ignored almost the entire religion and just included the most, to modern eyes, sensational parts. Additionally, it should be noted that the last pagan Emperor of Rome elevated the Church of Cybele to one of the top religions of the state. He even wrote a hymn to her.
I not long learnt about Cybelle and Attis through reading the rats in the walls by H.P.Lovecraft. It seems with the whole castration/gender thing being pushed by the d-eletes the religion is still alive here in Briton. Thanks for the vid.
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The "C" is hard. Like K.
I appreciate the castration demos you gave. Really cleared everything up 👍
Back around 1997 there was an article about a science paper. Seems around 1987 some archeologists found, in London, the skeleton of a priestess. She was in woman's clothing and had women's jewelry and bangles. Upon examining the skeleton, it was learned it was of a male! They packed it all up and put it away. Back in 1987 nobody wanted to know about a transvestite priestess in Roman London! About 10 years later, some other students were looking for something interesting and pulled out the skeleton again. Sure enough, it was a Gali priestess of Cybele! I think it was the first proof that such priestesses got all the way to London. (Long ago lost the link to this article.)
If my high school teachers had taught history like you do, I would have been an "A" student.
Thanks for all your videos and your novel approach to teaching.
This type of history is college level. High school level is very hard because there is so much history and only so much time.
His style is compelling, in that sense you are correct.
The ping pong ball drop was on point!
Your backdrops are always epic. My backdrops are...a green screen. Merry Christmas!
Fortunately for me my wife likes a well decorated fireplace.
It makes me wonder about the symbolism behind the chestnuts roasting on an open fire.
Me too now that I think about hehehe mmmmm lucky chestnuts 🌰!!!
The story of Cybele & Atys is eerily similar to what happened during my last relationship.
Another great video Stefan! I hope you have a great Christmas man. Merde to you!
P.S: and a Happy New Year!
Lol
Oof... I know what you mean. (Metaphorically, right? Jeez, I hope so! 🙏)
Well, maybe I have a reason to 'celebrate' my previous relationships that, TBH, I fucked up...I oughtta bang my cymbals.
Wow lucky man hehe mmm!!!
The city wall crowning Cybele is still used in heraldry. I've seen it crowning the emblems of Italian cities.
I guess everybody already figured this out but.... At 1:39, the latin phrase on screen roughly translates to “afternoon delight”.
Thus my extreme fear of nutcrackers
I think you invented a new sandals-view vlogging style at the end there...
That'll be by B channel, Stefan's Feet narrate history!
The castration demo. I was transported. Thanks.
Best xmas special ever
"The Gala were priests of the Sumerian goddess Inanna. They made up a significant number of the personnel of both temples and palaces, the central institutions of Mesopotamian city states. These were thought in modern times to have been individuals with neither male nor female gender identities."
I wonder if they drew their tradition from Ishtar's non-binary rescuer from the Underworld
How did those clamps work? My brain just can't process it
They're to keep the testes from withdrawing during the procedure. A sharp blade would still be needed to complete the task.
I love those Orthodox Icons on your fireplace mantle
You nutter. Those ping pong balls dropping down were hilarious :D
"Placed converts in a hole in the ground and sacrificed a bull over them"
A macabre question springs to mind: How much blood in a bull?
Thank you internet: 55ml/kg
How many kg in a large bull?
Thanks again internet: Up to 1300kg
So .055 x 1300 = 71.5 liters
Since my large rucksack that I carry when I go camping is only 60 liters, I'd say, not all that much blood.
Enough for a shower. Apparently, an average one in America lasts for 8 minutes and uses up 65 litres (thank you internet!), so there's even a little extra if you missed a spot.
Here I've been thinking for decades that the taurobolium was associated with the cult of Mithras; learn something every day! Thanks for the video. Happy Holidays.
I was only researching this cult so I'm not 100% sure. If wikipedia is to be believed though the Taurobolium was practiced by different cults but after the 2nd century AD, only with Cybele and Atys.
@@StefanMilo Works for me.
I did a cursory search when I wrote the comment, but found no references to Mithras in conjunction with the taurobolium; but I found many references to Mithras and tauroctony, or the act of killing a bull. I suspect the relationship between Mithras, tauroctony and taurobolium may have been disproven, perhaps by evidence of Cybele, Atys and the taurobolium.
That's a popular misconception popularized by pop theology pushed by flakes like Bill Maher and other uninformed mythicists.
Hello Milo ...just adore your videos ...hilariously informative ....great job
I’ll be doing a video on this very soon! Thanks for helping with my research. Many conflicting stories and depictions.
I'd love to see your take on European Rodnoveri
Did an archeologist dig up those bronze-looking gizmos at some point and say "Ah! Castration Clamps!" How would anybody know what they were?
Onestly you deserve 10 times the subs
Thanks, maybe one day!
Bbhahaha what are those... Golf balls or ping pong balls? Nice addition.
Golf balls, I just couldn't resist.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! I love your channel, and I hope your year was filled with plenty of instances post meridiem jucundum. Cheers
Me too!
Yeh, there's loads of it in 'The Golden Bough' .. fascinating book .. if ya get it
Came here from The Golden Bough. Thanks!
I remember reading that there was a festival in which the candidates for the priesthood would parade through the streets and throw away their gonads, hither and thither. ☆ Not quite the Gay Mardi Gras, but close
Blimey, don't forget an umbrella!
The Golden Ass has a great inside view of what were called Mystery Cults in the 1st-2nd centuries
Didn't he get voted in? ... !!
@@BassGoBomb no, that was the Pyrite Ass that got voted in lmao
Very good work... To the best of my knowledge, they survived until the 700 CE... Can't remember source on it but do remember the Emperor Julian said he was a Mithran... So maybe an attempt to make sure he didn't happen again...
i can relate to this because ive lived it xD good video man 👍
You would want to read the fine print before signing up I think. Be a heck of a Xmas surprise otherwise.
Merry christmas
Thanks, Merry Christmas!
Isn't the name of the Magna Mater pronounced Kybele, rather than "Sybele"?
Can be said Cybele, Kubileya, and Kybele...
Pronunciations are infamously difficult ... and regional .. and after 45yrs of studying history I'd say 'not something to get too hung up on' .. nor anything else in history for that matter. 1 We don't how much of what we 'know' is true .. 2. History is a kinda science in that we are always making efforts to improve our knowledge, and be more objective .. Well, we used to be ..!!! .. worryingly we seem to be coming more subjective (without knowing the difference = poor education), and partisan .. which will end in cherry-picking, book burning or some such nonsense (as history shows). "The one thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history ... - this is a double-entendre of amazing proportions .. :-)
Good question. There was a difference in pronunciation depending on the class/dialect and location. So you have the name "Caesar" being sommonly pronounced "Saesae" while the title "Caesar" being pronounced "Kaesar"
If Cybele falls under the same dialectical rules as the word "Caesar" then on Britain, probably Sybele.
Excuse me ...
But does his father in law have that many balls?
lovely
Love that this is your holiday video, yay castration! Loved the ping pong balls. Keep up the great work.
Happy Holidays!
You too!
Dang, I kind of feel bad for these priests...
Me too, I had heard of cases of them ambushing travellers and castrating them against their will :/
@@StefanMilo Holy heck, I'm glad it's a thing of the past now, it must have made a few people reconsider the idea of traveling @_@
@@StefanMilo I would not want to picture that...😨
At last a religion where it's better to be a woman.
merry christmas bros
God bless you
Very festive.
We all know about Cybele and Attis, but never heard of the combination Cybele and Atys. The latter we know as a king. Why this sudden confusion? Why did you change a well known name? Are you turning into an American?
"Fumble in the Jungle" would make a great band name.
Wait, tree ornaments are suppose to be balls? We are celebrating balls? WTF Stefan.
THE EVIDENCE IS ALL AROUND.
is "post-meridien jucundum" afternoon delight?
nailed it!
@@StefanMilo awwww yeah
So it's basically holidays with the family...
Is there a connection from the religious ceremonies of Cybele and Arts, where the Priests ran around banging cymbals and hollow drums, to the Christian New Testament book of Corinthians (Ch.13, I think 🤔) wherein an vain and prideful celebrant or follower of Christ is said to be 'as a clanging cymbal'...?
Wow. Now, as I wrote that... 'Cymbal', Cybele', 'Celebite' (sp?), etc (and 'celebrate' and other 'cele'- words (cerebellum?) have gotta have etymological connections, right? anyone?
So many questions... Great vid!
Im confused, your quote mentioned "corn" but corn as I use the word is a specific new world crop and thus unknown to the Romans. Are they using the word to mean basically staple grain? 4:57
I think they must have done yeah. No corn on the cob in Roman times.
corn in British speak can refer to any grain. In the context of Roman history even American writers may use the word to refer to grain generically, usually wheat. It's just kind of tradition carried over from Gibbon i guess v('-')v
That's right. Corn originally meant any kind of grain. Eventually in north america corn became conflated with maize and now we hardly use the word maize and now call it corn.
Yup, originally corn referred to (a) grain or seed, wheat, barley, or whatever. When a maize seed is separated from the cob it becomes a corn. To the crazy English settlers, at least. Hope that makes sense!
Many thanks gentlemen, enjoy your interwebs
Hail Rhea-Cybele! Hail Magna Mater! Hail Attis!
All hail Her! ❤❤❤
Yeah, drink your tea.
I like the Icons
Mercy, I'm pleased to be "Irish, Basque-Irish American" (even though I apply Higher-Minde + Conscious Thought, all those years that I was unaware of this option for a more mature and harmonious life experience - I recall with a clarity of the higher reactory emotional state and the undesirable anxieties associated with the Ego-Mind - the more Adolescent Drama - I'm reminded of by MS News Media and the behaviors they evoke - DT a more even distorted state of the subject, due to his being an NPD). However, there remains a most interesting plethora of subject matter around the pEople's of this World - their Orgins and their Behaviors in their Cultures and in their aggressions.
Oh to have "a Book of Facts" on these and related subjects.
The Christmas custom shared - took me down this Thought Road. 😳
Was there overlap with Mithraism?
Atys was a chad
... afternoon delights?
You got it!
1.43 so not Mitra then?
I love you
No way "Triste" is sadness in modern Latin/Romance Languages
Hey Milo Milo here
The ballls are a falling!
Wait... are you talking about Artemis or Dionysus?
As far as I remember, didn't Atis castrate himself with a pot sherd? It just gets worse 8-0
❤❤❤
Do Mandaenism. Or are you only looking for dead religions? Because there's only a few thousand left. They're almost extinct but very interesting. Again, I love those Eastern Orthodox Icons on your fireplace mantle.
Who are the 2 that share and icon? Is it of Boris and Gleb? Great video
Bummer
The Terry crews gif is incredibly lame.
Is this why we hang balls on trees?
I thought corn was introduced in Europe from the Americas after Columbus...
That was maize corn. Before that, "corn" referred to any kind of grain.
Wait a minute, how can a Roman prayer from before year 400 of the CE in England include corn 🌽 (maize), which wouldn’t appear in Europe until after 1000 years later when Columbus and later voyages brought maize back to Spain and Europe alongside tobacco and potatoes....
It's not corn like maize, the Germanic word corn predates the Columbian Exchange and was used to mean seed or cereal crop. In the US you don't see that meaning very often, it's much more common in the UK and in translations of classical texts/inscriptions.
Suprise Americans, things predate Jesus!
Yeah, like the british castration cult. It explains alot about why europe is the way it is.
So he banned paganism. Okay. And, then the Roman Empire fell apart?
We see your hand signs.
I assure you there are many of us Gallis who are not castrated, lol
Wow, I've got a new least favourite religion! And here I thought the Aztecs and their sacrificing of everybody that volunteered and that didn't volunteer and their pulling of barbed wires through their lips and noses was the worst. It doesn't even make sense, why is a fertility cult associated with castration? And she's a virgin? So she loved this one dude but castrated and killed him and then remained single for the rest of her immortality? Why is she a fertility goddess?
That being said: I love your videos. I really enjoy somebody conveying interesting information in a calm voice instead of shouting into my face. Thank you. Keep it up and you be you.
True, you could not use this in fiction.
And the mythology had some obvious plot holes. My guess it was made up to make The last Jedi look good :o
my understanding is that when the word "virgin" is used in that area & time period it usually means an unmarried woman, not necessarily one who hasn't had sex. although in this case it is probably reasonable to assume she never had sex
This is vastly oversimplified and doesn't include most of the rhetoric around the mythos. Additionally, Cybelianism still exists today and is even recognized as a religion in the US. Like you ignored almost the entire religion and just included the most, to modern eyes, sensational parts. Additionally, it should be noted that the last pagan Emperor of Rome elevated the Church of Cybele to one of the top religions of the state. He even wrote a hymn to her.
Wow I'd love to be a part of her religion ❤❤❤❤!!!
I not long learnt about Cybelle and Attis through reading the rats in the walls by H.P.Lovecraft. It seems with the whole castration/gender thing being pushed by the d-eletes the religion is still alive here in Briton. Thanks for the vid.