Thanks for the video! I've used the waterproof outer mitts you show (by Arc'teryx) for around 7 years in Alaska. What makes them great is how versatile they are; layer them over the dachsteins on a cold day, or used the included fleece mitten liner with some light Polartec Powerstretch gloves for a 3-layer system. When I'm filming or taking pictures, I pull off one or both mittens and stick them in my jacket so they stay warm and dry. One thing missing from my current system is a more breathable outer mitt; a leather and softshell mitt from Hestra would be ideal. GoreTex gets less breathable as it gets colder, so for really cold weather, breathability becomes more important. It's funny how we use similar gloves, as I have similar Hestra Ergo Active gloves for cross-country skiing. I love them. Once you warm up, they are good down to 0 F, but only if you are skiing hard (up hills with a quick pace).
You can get the Dachstein mitts with leather palms, so they grip better and last longer. I got a pair of the Dachstein Gloves with leather palms last year, and loved them. Reasonably wind resistant, ic ould wear them on their own when it wasn’t to cold or windy, then throw a windproof shell over the top when I got chilly. Great easy way to regulate temps. Being a single, solid layer of material, they grip tools and poles a lot better than ,ost gloves. Gloves with Primaloft etc, or multiple layers of fabric in the palm always shift around as you grip ice tools and such. The drawback of the Dachstein gloves was that the leather didn’t cover enough of the finger tips, so they started to wear super soon. I’d suggest adding more leather protection yourself.
Great list but you missed probably my favorite glove for winter ski mountaineering: the Showa TEMRES 282-02. It’s breathable and waterproof, fleece lined, comes with the snow gauntlet, great grip on ice tools, plus it’s really cheap. Has a small cult following for a good reason. Runs really small though so size up!
@@GeoffreyThomasGonzales So are vapor barrier liners and they are sometimes crucial. Also Showas are usually just for temporary wet work. Sweat is just a minuscule problem in that compared to completely soaking your hands with the work you're doing
Discovered your channel Dave. Subscribed because your content is super useful, and you come across really well, very genuine and the information is top notch. Thanks for sharing.
The cheap rubber work / gardening gloves 🧤 are great for skiing / touring in wet snow. Hands stay warm until you stop ‘working’ then it’s time to change to the Hestra’s. Top tip I picked up from you last season
Haha. I love that he is a top-notch mountaineer and still experiments with gas station/hardware store gloves. I love all the fancy options for OR, BD, and the like, but keeping those hands warm when the winds are howling and you need dexterity is... tough. I use hand warmers all winter because no matter the insulation in the glove/mitten, if I can't get my blood circulating enough then it will never keep me warm.
My system is: Some BD Touchscreen liner gloves for walking. Hestra ergo grip for ski touring. Hestra Fält Guide & Eddie Bauer/First Ascent Guide for skiing and mountaineering. An old pair of SAR Winchman (flying) gloves for ropework/fixed lines. BD Mercury Mitts either just the shell over others or use the insulated lobster mitt inside for bivvy/deep pow and drying out the previous. But despite all that expense and switcheroo on the mountain; a pair of $20 Kinco, lined pigskin gloves dubbed in SnoSeal remain a faithful all mountain glove 😂 Also, if you haven’t rapped off a buried frozen Dachstein mitt anchor then your mountain apprenticeship is lacking 🤣
I’m busily experimenting with gloves for winter cycling in the uk which is always cold and most often wet as well! I hadn’t thought to try some cheap gardening gloves but will give it a go now. Carrying an extra pair of dry gloves to change into is priceless. Great video keep up the good work!
Coming from a rope access worker that has to work in the cold, often touching metal even colder stuff. Be sure to buy the fleeced ones, they are surprisingly warm, even warmer than a lot of more" traditionnal" gloves. They have a logo on the back which tells you they are rated for the cold, it's a little snowflake. Try to buy the ones that are not completely waterproof for sweat reasons.
Having Reynaulds, I find dexterity very important when ice climbing, as well as not having to remove the glove to do fiddly things. My hands are never warm when winter climbing, and taking gloves off is a no, no. Rubber gloves are my best option, providing you can get a thin pair of fleece gloves underneath. They also dry quickly and are cheap.
Hi Dave. Thanks for another great video. When it comes to work gloves for ice climbing or snow climbing up a couloir, have a look at the Showa temres 282-02. They're hard to come by in Europe but I just had a friend bring back some from the states. They seem quite great!
I have also experimented with many gloves, but still dont always get it right. strangely enough, two layers of fleece gloves, for me was a srprisingly good and very cheap solution for many things. the outer layer was more robust on the exterior, so fairly long lasting (I have no idea what brand it was). I could climb with it in not too technical climbs (like AD level mountaineering). they were also quite warm if both were worn (was perfectly ok well below freezing), could also ski with them. Of course they were not water proof.
I have all sorts of glove for climbing, even the OR Alti mitt. I have never really had much issue with having cold fingers during climbs up Rainier, or being in Europe in the Alps. If anything, I find that my hands get hot and sweaty and when stopping at breaks, when I remove the gloves, the inner part gets inverted and getting back into the glove is a pain in the butt after taking it off to grab for food and drink.
+1 for the water- and windproof outer glove, it's a true essential I feel. Weighs next to nothing, fully isolates against wind and rain so keeps you warm and dry when needed.
yes same here! they are very useful in many use cases. You can also weird them when you are doing something less intense to keep your hands warm. Also in an emergency you can use them without an inner. Or in a even more worse case over your feet.
Great video! For non native English speakers, can you explain what you mean by “seam grip” (I think)? I’ve been using duck tape but it’s not perfect. Thanks a lot! Keep up the good work!
Great video!.... I'm looking to do an Alpinism course in Chamonix next summer. Can you recommend any providers??.... I already climb summer routes in the UK and have two trips planned for Scotland winter climbing so won't be a total novice by next summer!!... Thanks 👌
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Thanks for the video! I've used the waterproof outer mitts you show (by Arc'teryx) for around 7 years in Alaska. What makes them great is how versatile they are; layer them over the dachsteins on a cold day, or used the included fleece mitten liner with some light Polartec Powerstretch gloves for a 3-layer system. When I'm filming or taking pictures, I pull off one or both mittens and stick them in my jacket so they stay warm and dry.
One thing missing from my current system is a more breathable outer mitt; a leather and softshell mitt from Hestra would be ideal. GoreTex gets less breathable as it gets colder, so for really cold weather, breathability becomes more important.
It's funny how we use similar gloves, as I have similar Hestra Ergo Active gloves for cross-country skiing. I love them. Once you warm up, they are good down to 0 F, but only if you are skiing hard (up hills with a quick pace).
Good stuff! thanks for the comments.
You can get the Dachstein mitts with leather palms, so they grip better and last longer. I got a pair of the Dachstein Gloves with leather palms last year, and loved them. Reasonably wind resistant, ic ould wear them on their own when it wasn’t to cold or windy, then throw a windproof shell over the top when I got chilly. Great easy way to regulate temps. Being a single, solid layer of material, they grip tools and poles a lot better than ,ost gloves. Gloves with Primaloft etc, or multiple layers of fabric in the palm always shift around as you grip ice tools and such.
The drawback of the Dachstein gloves was that the leather didn’t cover enough of the finger tips, so they started to wear super soon. I’d suggest adding more leather protection yourself.
Some great knowledge! Thanks.
Great list but you missed probably my favorite glove for winter ski mountaineering: the Showa TEMRES 282-02. It’s breathable and waterproof, fleece lined, comes with the snow gauntlet, great grip on ice tools, plus it’s really cheap. Has a small cult following for a good reason. Runs really small though so size up!
Impossible to find these in Europe. I had to import some from the states. They are great but I made this video before I had them.
Not breathable
@@GeoffreyThomasGonzales So are vapor barrier liners and they are sometimes crucial.
Also Showas are usually just for temporary wet work. Sweat is just a minuscule problem in that compared to completely soaking your hands with the work you're doing
Discovered your channel Dave. Subscribed because your content is super useful, and you come across really well, very genuine and the information is top notch. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Calum!
The cheap rubber work / gardening gloves 🧤 are great for skiing / touring in wet snow. Hands stay warm until you stop ‘working’ then it’s time to change to the Hestra’s. Top tip I picked up from you last season
Exactly!
Haha. I love that he is a top-notch mountaineer and still experiments with gas station/hardware store gloves. I love all the fancy options for OR, BD, and the like, but keeping those hands warm when the winds are howling and you need dexterity is... tough. I use hand warmers all winter because no matter the insulation in the glove/mitten, if I can't get my blood circulating enough then it will never keep me warm.
Luckily I'm not tied to any brand for my hands so this is literally the most open and honest I can be about equipment!
Thanks nice you share the information
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My system is:
Some BD Touchscreen liner gloves for walking.
Hestra ergo grip for ski touring.
Hestra Fält Guide & Eddie Bauer/First Ascent Guide for skiing and mountaineering.
An old pair of SAR Winchman (flying) gloves for ropework/fixed lines.
BD Mercury Mitts either just the shell over others or use the insulated lobster mitt inside for bivvy/deep pow and drying out the previous.
But despite all that expense and switcheroo on the mountain; a pair of $20 Kinco, lined pigskin gloves dubbed in SnoSeal remain a faithful all mountain glove 😂
Also, if you haven’t rapped off a buried frozen Dachstein mitt anchor then your mountain apprenticeship is lacking 🤣
I’m busily experimenting with gloves for winter cycling in the uk which is always cold and most often wet as well! I hadn’t thought to try some cheap gardening gloves but will give it a go now. Carrying an extra pair of dry gloves to change into is priceless. Great video keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Coming from a rope access worker that has to work in the cold, often touching metal even colder stuff. Be sure to buy the fleeced ones, they are surprisingly warm, even warmer than a lot of more" traditionnal" gloves. They have a logo on the back which tells you they are rated for the cold, it's a little snowflake.
Try to buy the ones that are not completely waterproof for sweat reasons.
temres 281+ liner works much better in my opinion. The acrylic lining degrades very fast and stinks horribly.
Having Reynaulds, I find dexterity very important when ice climbing, as well as not having to remove the glove to do fiddly things. My hands are never warm when winter climbing, and taking gloves off is a no, no. Rubber gloves are my best option, providing you can get a thin pair of fleece gloves underneath. They also dry quickly and are cheap.
Hi Dave. Thanks for another great video. When it comes to work gloves for ice climbing or snow climbing up a couloir, have a look at the Showa temres 282-02. They're hard to come by in Europe but I just had a friend bring back some from the states. They seem quite great!
Yes I’ve scoured high and low for them, I know the exact model you mean.
I second this, very high recommendation for these. Cheap, durable, warm enough. Perfect for digging pits or booting couloirs.
I have also experimented with many gloves, but still dont always get it right.
strangely enough, two layers of fleece gloves, for me was a srprisingly good and very cheap solution for many things. the outer layer was more robust on the exterior, so fairly long lasting (I have no idea what brand it was). I could climb with it in not too technical climbs (like AD level mountaineering). they were also quite warm if both were worn (was perfectly ok well below freezing), could also ski with them. Of course they were not water proof.
Try the Hestra Heli Ski "lobster" gloves and put in a 5 finger liner, makes you feel like you've got a 5 finger on but with extra warmth
Thanks!
Your videos are great!
Can you do a climbing mountaineer pack list video?
I’ll add it to my list!
It’s so hard to find a nice, warm, flexible glove where all the fingers are the right length.
For sure!
I have all sorts of glove for climbing, even the OR Alti mitt. I have never really had much issue with having cold fingers during climbs up Rainier, or being in Europe in the Alps. If anything, I find that my hands get hot and sweaty and when stopping at breaks, when I remove the gloves, the inner part gets inverted and getting back into the glove is a pain in the butt after taking it off to grab for food and drink.
Hi. Great and usefull video. What's the specific brand and model of the Goretex shell mittens with leather?
They are Arc’teryx not sure the model and if they even make them anymore.
+1 for the water- and windproof outer glove, it's a true essential I feel. Weighs next to nothing, fully isolates against wind and rain so keeps you warm and dry when needed.
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yes same here! they are very useful in many use cases. You can also weird them when you are doing something less intense to keep your hands warm. Also in an emergency you can use them without an inner. Or in a even more worse case over your feet.
What brand is the gortex over mitt?
No heated gloves?
Batteries lose battery capacity two to three times as quick so it's difficult to heat the battery up while avoiding cold battery loss
Great video! For non native English speakers, can you explain what you mean by “seam grip” (I think)? I’ve been using duck tape but it’s not perfect. Thanks a lot! Keep up the good work!
Google Seam Grip! It’s by mc neatt. Flexible waterproof glue
Great video!.... I'm looking to do an Alpinism course in Chamonix next summer. Can you recommend any providers??.... I already climb summer routes in the UK and have two trips planned for Scotland winter climbing so won't be a total novice by next summer!!... Thanks 👌
Shoot me an email, I should be able to help out.
@@DaveSearle Done 👌