I worked through undergrad as a combat medic then paramedic. Got an early acceptance to a MD/PhD program. Talked.to A LOT of doctors in multiple fields. Half loved medicine, but wouldn't recommend it. The other half didn't like it, but felt stuck in it. I went through nursing school, but needed more autonomy. Now I'm a carpenter. Crazy world.
@@DavidWarrenNP both my parents are gone now. Time is all we have in this life. I hope you find your passion and happiness in life. Money will come and go. Not everyone live long enough to enjoy retirement. I'll be rooting for you!!! 🙏🙏💪💪
Give this man a 🎤 for his honesty. We need more people like warren to help student really make concise choices about their future. The point I’m trying to make is to have a well perspective of the pros and cons before pursuing a career in any field.
I am a medical student who used to be an ER nurse. I’m 3 months away from graduating from medical school. I had some serious thoughts about what school I should have gone to a long time ago. Now looking back, I have no regrets for my career choices. Certainly, I don’t know what my life would have been like if I had gone to NP school. In medical school, I have sacrificed a lot of free time I would otherwise have to studying. I was forced to go to geographic locations I did not want to go. And I think because of that, i never formed a long stable relationship. However, I was a little bit younger than you at the time(matriculated at 27), I never had an NP degree and my parents are able to move to wherever I go. Now facing residency and match, I’m just glad that I’m finally able to settle down and make an income again. After all the hardship medical school has given me, I am happy with my current situation going into residency as a doctor. I feel we would make good friends if I actually knew you because we think similarly on certain topics lol
@@kevtzke2314 I went back and fourth too. I pulled the trigger because I didn't want to go 3-4 more years of education and have regret I never tried to become a physician with a silly DNP degree. My heart wasn't into being a nurse practitioner it was to be a doctor because deep inside I knew I wouldn't be happy if I chose NP. It's an isolating experience though and that's got to motivate you. Everyone attacks up out of an inferiority complex and you can't be phased by this. The only ones who will understand why you did it are other physicians. Medicine is a lifestyle and it's very consuming. I wanted to be able to care for patients to the pinnacle of what medicine is and that is the level of an MD/DO if you're after just a chill 9-5 or 3 day work week and check out, low-mid level thinking, low liability, low time commitment then yes I can see the appeal of an NP degree. But this is self serving and puts real lives at risk by your decisions. Good NPs and PAs know when they need a physician. But also the don't know what they don't know because they didn't go to med school. Ultimately you gotta decide man.
@@AZ-wg3eg that’s precisely why I’m becoming a nurse. This is an industry that will fix people and financially cripple them for life. Let’s call a spade a spade. I just want my money and a stable job. America is god-forsaken. I’d like to eventually work in a socialized system. I just want to be able to afford teeth and go snowboarding while the world burns around me.
Completely agree with everything he said. My goal is to become a CRNA. Being a mother and an active participant in my family life is more important to be than any career. I feel like doctors have a poor work/life balance and that isn’t appealing to me whatsoever. I also feel like becoming a doctor is mostly attractive for the prestige that comes with going to med school. I would still earn a doctorate degree as a CRNA and that seems to be the smartest and most cost efficient way for me to achieve my goals.
Totally agree, im just looking for a simple life balance of my personal life and work. The increase salary is not my main interest. Personal experiences are worth more than money
It's not too late! I am a 33 years old and I quit my job as a firefighter and paramedic and will be applying this summer! But... I am married , have kids, own a home and will be able to pay for it out of pocket.
Good for you. Hopefully your experience will help get you in. Straight A's aren't enough anymore. You need some kind of life experience to add to your resume/application.
My good friend was a paramedic and firefighter it helped him in CRNA school and he is amazing at his job because of the experiences he had working as a medic first
I appreciate your honesty and transparency in this video as well as the "why I'm quitting nurse practitioner". Everything you've said has been about 90 percent true especially with the pay and over saturation. You've taken many words right out of my mouth and thoughts. I am currently around your age group and May of this year could mark my second year of not yet obtaining an NP job since graduating May 2019. Had I known what I know now I would've gone about the experience/route a little differently but I don' regret going at all. I also don't think the medical society knows how valuable NPs can be or don't want to share the benefits and pay. (Pts complain all of the time about long wait times to see a physician)It is what it is and perhaps God has another way he may want me to use my degree(s). Things that are most important are family, friends, LIFE, balance, traveling, things that mean something.
Med student here who just randomly came across your video while studying some pharm! I really like your perspective on everything in this video! However, I really get the sense that you feel youre crunched for time and that med school would take so much of that time that you wouldnt have a life. One thing that med school has really shown me is all of these really neat antiquities of medicine that you have 4 years to really appreciate. They always say "think horses not zebras" when you see common symptoms and presentations, but med school really spends a lot of time discussing those zebras. It really shines kind of a mystical light on everything and offers more dimensions to what we are all doing. Another thing that I really love about med school is that it forces you to always ask why. It makes you become a detective. So many people in hospitals become dependent on algorithms and its awesome to run in to healthcare workers that can really think outside the flow chart. Medical school really forces you to ask why to everything you learn and to understand it like the back of your hand. My old family doctor could still explain the biochemistry of statin drugs like he just learned about the nephron yesterday! If youve read this far I also want to comment on something else you said... while yes you can basically do all of the stuff a doctor can do as an APP, job security is HUGE. You can go into a laid back field in medicine where you make $80,000 as an NP, you may make 3 times that in rural hospitals just as a family doc. I understand your crunch for time but when the next 8 years happens, will you be able to look back and be happy with going a different route or would you always wish you would have just given it a shot?
Hey Kenneth! Thanks for watching and commenting. You raise some good points as well. And good point- the next 8 years will happen regardless what I am doing. Thanks again for watching. Good luck in med school.
O t I agree. I wish people treated doctors better. They sacrifice everything and are treated like trash. It’s hard to be passionate all the time when you are disparaged and diminished.
I'm 25 and in a post bacc pre med program (changing careers from hs math teacher to healthcare) and once I complete all the prerequisites, I can apply to many different medical programs - MD, PA, nursing, PT, OT, podiatry, SLP, perfusion. Your video has given me a helpful perspective to consider my options. It is a tough decision to prioritize what I want in a job with wanting to eventually have a family, and not wanting to be too old before I have a chance to do that, as well. I also find myself aware of the precious time I have left with my parents - yet knowing I also have a life to live, want to be financially independent, and have a stable job that I somewhat enjoy. I appreciate you making a video on this topic!
@@DavidWarrenNP Thank you so much. Best of luck to you in CRNA school! Keep up the great attitude - that and faith that everything is working out for you in the best way possible!
I feel you, i agree with you , life isn't just about careers, we shouldn't neglect other areas of our lives for a new career we aren't desperate to get
Great video. I finished the prerequisites and entered nursing school at 45. I graduated from with an ADN. I worked as an RN for 15 years, I invested my money and retired in 2015. I don't do anything now. Well, I did travel and make you tube videos. Not much traveling now due to the pandemic.
Well stated....I feel like i have been going to school my whole life EMT-B, C.N.A, L.P.N, RN, BSN. I was in NP school, Acing my courses but was not seeing my than 5 year old son. I decided to put school on hold. I left school on good terms and may return when the time is right. Do I have any regrets, absolutely not. I have been in the medical field since 1998 from long term skilled facility, ER nurse, OR nurse, educator etc. What have I learned through this all? That the years fly by so fast. The extra money I received in the hospital for on call, act call, ortho call in addition to working my 40 hour week as a OR nurse will never be enough to compensate for those loss moments of family time, birthdays, family celebrations etc. I love what I do but I do not miss those long 12 plus hour shifts, the toll it takes on your physical health, mental health and personal life. I'm thankful to have finally found a balance in my life as a health care provider, mother, wife, and daughter. I work as a PAT nurse, AM nurse, OR nurse, PACU nurse depending on where I am scheduled to work that day in addition to working a second job as an educator at the hospital. And you know what the best part of it all is, I get to clock out at 5pm and go home to my family. To each their own. Find your balance in life and have no regrets.
at the end of the day the only thing that matters is doing what you are passionate about. medical school will put you in debt? so what. pay it back over time. can't take money to the grave. you're older than a traditional medical student? so what. with age comes wisdom. medical school will take more time? so what. you're gonna get older anyways. do what you wanna do. never look at these things as hard stops. they're just obstacles to overcome. i've been an RN for 6 years and decided to go back to uni and apply to med school. would it be easier to just go get an advanced nursing degree and enjoy the salary? stay bedside? yup, you bet it would. the easier things are not always the best things. i'd hate to get to the end of my life and regret never living out a dream. you only live once homies.
Time will pass regardless of what career you choose. If you choose a career you are passionate about, then it is worth the sacrifice and the years of education and training. But, if you put emphasis on family and personal life more, there are other career choices with less commitment and time. All reasonable, depending on what matters to you the most.
@@redpilledbachelor7776 im not gonna lie, as a medical student myself, I highly don't recommend medicine to anyone just in general... unless your stupidly passionate about it. i myself enjoy medicine but still sometimes things are just tough and it takes a lot of years out of ur life with all the studying. not a good life style to be honest but again if you're truly obsessed maybe that's the exception
I’m almost 24 years old. I start nursing in the spring. I was not the smartest student in school, and I didn’t take my education seriously. I graduated high school at 19. I went to college for a year and dropped out. I worked low wage jobs, then went back at 21, got depressed and dropped out again. I just started back to college, and I have thought of trying out for medical school many times. If I was more serious 5 years ago, I’d try it. Now I agree with your opinions completely. 8 whole years of school brings me to 32, plus 3 to 10 years of residency and fellowship, takes me to 35 to 42 years old. I cannot wait that much of my life for a paying job. On top of that, I’d work for 20 years max and then get old and tired and retire. That is too much schooling, and very few short years of actually working. I also fear however, that even registered nursing will get over saturated like nurse practitioners are now. I cannot begin to tell you how many people I went to high school with, that have become nurses. I also have a mother, and a cousin who are nurses. I’m very concerned about my future, and how to make a living, and become independent from my family. I try to keep my eyes open for high demand jobs with high pay. For me, college is not necessary. However it seems so many jobs don’t pay well, even though articles say that they are in need and pay well. This is especially true as I’m in a non-union state.
Well you are only 24 still young +8 =32 then most likely 3-5 years of residency WHICH YOU GET PAID. No, not a physician salary but a nursing level salary! When you think of 6 years plus it’s really only neurosurgery and their 1-2 year optional fellowships (also ct surg) which is 9 years max but you can do quickies fields like emergency med which is 3 years then at 35 you’re making 320,000k plus and can work for 30 years give or take
I do not foresee bedside RN getting oversaturated at all, because it is such a high burnout field. The majority of RN's quit bedside nursing or nursing completely after a few years. I became a RN about 2 years ago and started out in the ICU in Southern California. The majority of nurses that were there when I started 2 years ago are all gone, only the older nurses who are trying to retire there are still here. All the friends that I made here are gone. We had major problems with not having enough nurses even before covid, and covid only made everything 1000x worse. I'm planning on quitting completely nursing and going to medical school. The 2 short years that I worked as a RN in the ICU filled me with hate and anger toward the hospital, the business model of healthcare, and some people (patients, their families, the greedy hospital director, lazy doctors, lazy house supervisors, lazy entitled phlebotomist, lazy entitled EVS, stupid pharmacy techs, greedy pharmacists, etc).
I got into Loyola University Chicago in 2004 .. dropped out right away .. medical school, pharmacy school, nutrition, etc all went down the drain .. lol .. money was the issue ...became a Respiratory Therapist.. been working since then ..but I do many other side hustles .. something in medical field is good to have .. stepping stone
Loved the video and your perspective, I earned a pre-medicine degree wanted to go to medical school but I have a family also. So the reason why I don’t want to go to medical school is time and debt. So I chose to do an accelerated BSN program that will allow me to hopefully one day be a DNP. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experience.
When you have a family to consider, the whole family unit has to be on board and work out in order to uphold going to medical school. In a way the whole family is doing med school. Med school is a consuming animal and the person getting the medical degree has to have financial, emotional, social support ( married w/family or single). A person should feel secure and supported in any rigorous academic school program. Nursing fields are no cake walk either. I know of some individuals who unfortunately were not able to be successful. They were first generation students and from disadvantaged backgrounds. One came from an alcoholic upbringing in fact. The good news is this person is starting over at a CC LPN program and doing well and hopes to work up in dialysis nursing. A livable LPNsalary can be earned while taking further classes and continuing school. That’s the great thing about nursing. It gives people with potential a chance to overcome difficult beginnings and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Nursing can meet you where you are in just about any stage in life. It’s a great field for those willing to work hard and have vision. Finally, going into a nursing field whether it’s as a CNA or a CRNA, will give you an excellent way to get clinical experience, earn a decent living, and potentially catapult you to the role of a provider at low overall cost (especially for those who have worked their way through a majority of nursing education). You have to be okay with being a nurse and your role that you achieved in providing the best patient care on the healthcare team. 🙂
23 about to be 24 years old here and currently work in the CVICU as an RN. Originally wanted to be a NP around 19 or 20 but now I’m thinking CRNA or MD. The time commitment and being away from my family hurts to think about. However, my thirst for more medical knowledge never seems to go away. Ugh... I wish I could just decide!
Thank you for your vidéo David, they are realistic and open. I am an NP student been a nurse for four years, I love how transparent and open you are, it really open my eyes on a realistic prospective😍
Thanks for posting! I'm in nursing school as a post-bacc. First degree was Biochem and I was pre-med. There are times when I want to know so much more of the science that I question if I should have focused on going to med school to become a doctor. However, I have other passions / hobbies that I may make into another career and decided I did not want to commit to being a doctor. I also want a balance of family, friends, and my creative outlets. My deal breaker was that I enjoy spending more time with patients and actually see them physically become healed. I think the question is for people: How much of yourself do you want to give to medicine?
As a nursing student finishing up my BSN you have great videos with a ton of helpful advice. Ive watched about 3 of your videos and just subscribed. I definitely want to further my education after some experience. Ive been so split between going the CRNA route or med school route because both seem interesting to me. Great video, awesome points! I definitely agree about valuing other things more than a career. Plus the Physician career path is more binding than the CRNA path.
I’m 24 and about to finish my ABSN program (my first degree was biology) and I’m seriously considering applying to med school but the time commitment and the debt scares me!!
@David Warren NP, Can you make a comparison video on the education of MD vs NP. I m a recent BSN and it seems that NPs get very limited knowledge of pathos and pharm and assessment. It seems that 500 hrs of clinical do not jutify the patients. I can not believe that 4MD years and a minimum of 3 residency years can justify 2 years of NP. NP program should be highly competitive to enter and pass. I checked the Program plan of NP of one of big-name university and it seems that 2 courses of Pharmacotherapeutics, one pharm, one assessment, one advance procedure, and 2 AGACNP couse and you become NP. HOW IT justify 4 years of Medical school?
Every NP program is different. If you listen to his other videos he explains this. Some programs do not require enough hands on clinical hours. For example my program (I graduated in 2009), required 1000 clinical hours as a RN and 2000 plus hours of NP clinical time.
Damn man. You literally took everything in my brain and put it into words. I have been going back and forth fighting with myself trying to decided which route to go. I have a BSN, currently a nurse. I have been torn between PA/CRNA/MD. Not NP, like your concerns, their education isn't standardized and you have to keep going back to school to earn certificates to work with other populations. I'm currently taking pre-med prereqs (have only orgo II left next semester). But I keep asking myself, is this really what I want? I'm not that passionate to make medicine my entire life. I know deep down medical school isn;t right for me, but something just keeps pulling me, I'm not sure what it is... The doctors I have met and worked with make medicine their entire life, and family etc secondary. It's almost like your expected to do that, patients always come first which makes sense, but not to me. I'm 29, married, a mom of 3 kids. Obviously I have other priorities ( being with my kids at the most important time, travel, raise money for retirement), I'm still trying to figure my next step out. I have been seriously considering CRNA, they do really cool procedures, and I love using my hands. I want to be a good mom, present, enjoy the little moments, and everyone knows that medical training is very unforgiving when it comes to having a family. You know, University Of Michigan did a study and found that ALMOST HALF of female physicians go part time or leave medicine ENTIRELY within 6 years of graduating residency. That is crazy! But it does make sense if you think about it, usually most of these women have put off starting families for YEARS during training (4 years med school, 3-7 residency) and when they do, it's difficult balancing being a great provider and a great mother at the same time. There's a couple of of youtubers that try to show it's doable, and honestly, they must have extraordinary support systems to make it possible (stay at home dads, family to help, childcare, etc). For me, this isn't possible as my husband works, and I don't have family near by. Curious, what kind of specialty did you PA friend want to go to med school to do? Was it because he wanted more autonomy, pay, etc? Keep up the qreat videos, I liked and subscribed :)
My sister is a MD and I am a RN (enrolled in NP school in Fresno). I am 26 and she is 32. I’ll be honest she isn’t happy with her career choice since she have so many of her years to become a doctor. Like us, she doesn’t love medicine. At the end of the day it all depends on what you value more in life. Like yourself I value spending time building my relationships and experiencing life outside of medics. That is why I picked NP as a career over MD. I will be 28 by the time I become an NP. MD would make me 36. Having a similar scope of practice and making a good salary I find to be a better career choice for me personally.
@@DavidWarrenNP After doing a lot of research on Reddit and watching RUclips videos on the future of NP being over saturated I’m kind of second guessing my decision currently. I like working in rural areas primarily. Do you think the salary and job opportunities for rural areas for NPs will also be negatively impacted in the future?
you have your priorities straight. I went the same route as you-nursing and np, but always wanted to be MD and still do. But because of the route I chose, I can be a functioning mother, wife, and still have a life :)
This might sound cliche, but seriously I can't stress this enough, you should absolutely DO NOT try to become a doctor if you're not actually passionate about the profession. No money in the world is worth going through all that if you're forcing yourself, if push comes to shove you might be able to make it through med school and into residency to finally realize how soul crushing working as a doctor (especially as an underpaid, overworked resident) can be
I agree bro. I think NP is enough and it is done. to be honest, MD school is ridiculously long including the residency. it should not be this long. yes, i saw people who went to MD school in their 50s but i would not want to do that. life is short and it is not all about money, it is not all about medicine either.
Hi there, I get your point , I guess it all comes down to whatever works for you and what makes you happy. You’re in the age where probably you want to start a family and the amount of work and schooling you have to do will take all the time and effort. I guess you have to ask yourself why am I doing this career? Do I feel stuck? Is it work that it? Everyone’s different and has their own opinion. For me , I’m in my 30s and being a nurse for almost 15 yrs I’m done with bed side , I just want to have a relaxing life, work on family , and spend time with friends . There’s soo much life out there besides a career! Hope you find what you’re looking for and good luck! 🍀👍🏼
I’m glad I watched your video. For a longest time, I’ve considered going to the NP program. I’m even reading the book ‘Patho made ridiculously simple’ to prepare for NP school. However, my heart is not in it. I’m content with being a RNBSN, working 3 days a week and having alot of time for hobbies. Even though I did well in school, if I have to be honest, I hate school and studying. So, thank you! PS-I’m glad you don’t have the Texas accent considering you’re from rural Texas.
Money is necessary but not important. Spending time with your family is important, especially with your elderly parents, because you don't know when they are going to be taken from you forever. I have learned that the hard way.
Im also BSN student and i m very confused about my decision tht it's right or wrong ....i wanted to go medical school but rather thn tht i choose nursing school ...our situation is same .....just brother please tell me how i can make my decision right and tips to do best in nursing .... please tell
Just a suggestion if you like procedures. One of my classmates in PA school landed a job with an interventional radiology group and he loves it. There is better job security as it's a smaller niche in the medical field. I'm sure a NP could easily get into that field as well--and it's on-the-job training.
Why not earn a PhD in Nursing? There are many opportunities to expand on your knowledge, engage in research, teaching, consulting work, etc. There are many programs that will pay you to attend those programs. Just an idea.
I spoke with a NICU MD at one of the biggest trauma hospitals on the west coast. She said do not be discouraged by age when approaching the MD program. She said there are thousands of foreign students tackling the same hill in their mid 30s and 40s. While each individual's journey is their own, it is possible to pursue an MD and have all of those goals. It also seems your scope for a career is only in the DFW area. You mentioned having family that you have grown closer with, is that the reason why you are focused on staying only on that area?
I'm also 34 and wrestling with MD program vs NP or PA. I feel my age and desires in life would be inhibited by the MD program....but I would love to be a surgeon or work in dermatology (a field I currently work in as an MA). I am leery of PA programs because of the changes that are upcoming (title change and adjustment of authority). NP school is appealing, especially in trauma care or even dermatology...but I want to become a flight nurse (since flight surgeon is a far off dream). I am not inhibited by a geographic location currently. I am willing to travel and live abroad if need be to accomplish the goals I have set before me. The current plan is to finish a BSN program, become a travel nurse and pay off my loans as soon as possible, then become a flight nurse. On my down time I will study and work towards an DNP degree--the new standard in the pacific northwest and several states--for when I am wanting to have a more stable life for a family. But I always wrestle with the MD. It would require another year of classes and frustrations--and the difficulties that will come with the MCAT becoming a pass/fail.
Just left med school amidst the pandemic. The quality of education isn't so good. Might return in the future but for now Im going to get life experience as a pharmacist, earn money, and hopefully wait this all out. Love your videos :)
@@DavidWarrenNP Zoom medical school isn't great. I recommend if you ever do wish to attempt, to wait this out. I've gone straight through school and never tried working life. Really excited and I hope my former peers will not experience the stresses of the hospital amidst these times...but most likely they will. We had no cadaver and i believe more restrictions will be in place next year. I'm excited to explore what I want. I really wanted to get this all out of the way, but life didn't go out as planned. I want to be a doctor to serve...but after I've lived life for myself, for a bit. See what I need. God bless.
David, I really like your video, okay for the next video, can you give some idea or tips to prepare before clinical or internship at the hospital and after graduation from a nursing bachelor degree? Thank you man,. I hope I can see it.
Why not go to med school? Because No one can fucking get in nowadays. 30 primary apps, 30 rejections. And this is with 3.91GPA and 508 MCAT and 7 years work exp (I'm 27). Been trying to do well on the mcat since college. It's fucking hard. So I had to go the DO route instead of MD. So the question most many people isn't whether you will go to "Med school". It's whether you'll accept DO.
@@baw2171 Yeah. And forget asians! Asians have it even tougher than white people. Unless you're beyond perfect, you need to be black or some other minority and then waltz in with mid tier stats.
@@bluethunder9102 Check out this matriculation chart released by AMCAS themselves for 2020. www.aamc.org/system/files/2020-10/2020_FACTS_Table_A-18.pdf and then tell me it's an excuse.
@@DrCureAging Your point? you think having a 3.91 gpa is just going to guarantee you an acceptance and it won't. But, im not trying to bash you in any way that is a great gpa and you are intellectually qualified to attend medical school. But, blaming that minority students take up all the seats when they are roughly 6 percent of all doctors (not even half their population percentage) they have lower stats on average because 1. smaller sample size. 2. other factors like lack of resources for example private tutors.
i graduate undergrad in one year and will be applying to med school in 2 years. I thought long and hard about being an RN, NP, or PA, but i came to the conclusion that i don’t want to be limited in my ability to care. PAs and NPs where i work only see low acuity patients and i really want to have the opportunity to see and treat it all. I’m thinking to go into EM, anesthesia, radiology, or family medicine, but who knows
Maybe where you work… I have worked as a NP for 12 years in primary care working in a rural community health center taking care of highly complex patients independently. I would not say NPs see low acuity patients
@@melbee1000 key word “rural”, that is the reason. Rural areas have barely anyone applying, so they take what they get. Midlevels usually have more autonomy in rural dominated states.
"would I go to medical school? Not now." Why not?! I'm an LPN with 10yr exp, enrolled in college for my ASN, goal is BSN. Most of the prerequisites are part of the prerequisites for BSN. I don't know what I'll do in a few years, but I do know I wasn't as mature about my education as I am now.you don't have to be a genius to be a doctor, geniuses are made not born. At this moment, nothing is off the table and I do have my eyes set on MD at 32. So what if I finish residency at 45 to 50. But, I will admit my life goals are different than yours too. Never going to have children for example, and my wife revels in the idea of change.
I've seen physicians well in their 70s and higher still working. There's no doubt they could retire, but it seems they've chosen not to quite yet. There's a surgeon that was doing cardiothoracic and complicated surgeries like whipples procedures when he was 80. He was still walking around the hospital seeing patients at 90 even though he was no longer operating.
David, thank you for sharing your experience and reflecting back on your decisions when you were young. This is going to be a long post but I want to share that one of my friends started as a zoologist (MSc Zoology) became a lecturer in a college and then took admission in a nursing school, studied for 4 years, and graduated as BScN. He worked as RN for few years but couldn't satisfy himself as a nurse and so at the age of 40 years he decided to go to medical school. Here in Pakistan medical school is also expensive and my friend belongs to a very poor family and even his salary as a lecturer was not enough to support his Med school but he borrowed money from friends, took some loans from banks, and continued his Med school. His family (one wife, two kids, mother and father, his father suffered from a stroke and died while he was away for his med school plus part-time jobs) suffered and still suffering since he is now in the final year of his Med school but my friend is extremely excited and happy of his decision. He lost a lot of money, his lifestyle didn't change due to his expensive education but he is living his dream. In next post I will tell you about myself.
You would not only be presented with which residency to choose, but you'd have to match. It's a two fold problem. There are some people who finish medical school who can't match into their chosen specialty, then they have to take whatever they can get. Not ideal at all. All good reasons you listed. I like your thought processes.
Yes, you are correct about residency being a hurdle. There are many who do not match and have no where to go. You are left with a medical doctorate degree and can not be employed as an md. There are stories of md graduates who didn't match working odd jobs, are homeless, or committed suicide unfortunately. There was a story about a med student who didn't match even in scramble. She became an EMT and worked as an EMT while taking RN classes. Also, I agree that you can be accepted into medical school with a nontraditional age. However the allopathic residencies unfortunately may not accept an older applicant. -Then you are stuck with an essentially useless medical doctorate degree. On a positive side I heard that OD residencies are more non trad age friendly so going to Osteopathic school may be the wiser route for an OD residency if you are an older applicant. Yes it's true there are many physicians who do practice up in their 80s and may be beyond. Best wishes to all with a dream to achieve whatever road you take.
Im in nursing school, last semester, and I'm thinking about going to medical school since NP is starting to look not so good. But we will see where life takes me.
@@DavidPerez-hs5xc to a be a nurse you need a BSN and major innursing but to go into medicine/med school you can have any bachelors degree. i’m sure there are people that majored in nursing that went to medschool but most people major is biology or chemistry and apply to med school
@@leospicegirl that’s true! If I do go down the nursing route though, I’d definitely go to an accelerated BSN program in addition to my biology degree. Still on the fence however
If you don’t mind me asking, why is NP going down the drain??? I think I’m gonna do nursing after my biology degree and I always thought about maybe doing NP later in life.
I think you're underestimating the NP profession. It might be saturated in your area but it's not the case throughout the country. And you're right they're pumping out a lot of NP's but they're also projected to have a lot of growth in the field and demand
ay i respect your veir on everything you said but what u said towards the end mentioning that your parents would be probably be dead by you finished you medical training if you were to pursue it... that's not correct. don't stay stuff like, first of all out of respect for your parents and second of all, for the fact being young doest guarantee u will see tomorrow. you never know when you will die that's in the hands of God. gd luck with everything though.
Great video thank you for sharing your experience and information. I am in community college now, am taking prerequisites for nursing school. Would you tell me about the job security of ADN? Is it safe to head from ADN to BSN or direct BSN is preferable? I am confused. Thanks
I did ADN at a community college and was fortunate to get hired into the hospital right after graduating. A lot of employers want you to have a year of experience before they hire. I recommend doing the ADN program, work a year and make money (pay back them loans!) Then do an online RN-BSN program. That's what I did!
When you say it’s easy to switch between specialties, how does that process look like? For example, is it okay to go from a CRNA and become a FNP? Thanks for your insight!
BSN, RN, I am planning on applying to CRNA school soon. Three year program. 100k in debt. Will graduate at 37. Sacrificing the next 3 years of my life. I just fear regret...such a hard decision.
Do it man! I’m a CRNA and school is very taxing , but the outcome is absolutely worth it. That pulling at your soul to go back to school won’t go away if you truly want it. But, believe me after you finally become a CRNA it’s the best feeling ever, and you can actually have that peace of mind with no regrets.
@@kyledeitz2760 how’s the job outlook and work life balance? I’m considering taking nursing all the way to CRNA as a second career but I know it’s going to be hard and a lot of work.
David since you became a graduate nurse you have had two AP nursing education which may have been time you would have completed 4yrs of medical school. The additional time you spent working could have been residency for you... but that is if you can convince yourself of the obvious. For you, at this point to be willing to go back to 3yrs of crna school means you can still make the choice for medical school, then do a residency in anaesthesiology which is 4yrs of working residency. Just saying
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Dave: I'm 30 years old
Yes we get it, you're getting old! 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣 thanks for acknowledging
I worked through undergrad as a combat medic then paramedic. Got an early acceptance to a MD/PhD program. Talked.to A LOT of doctors in multiple fields. Half loved medicine, but wouldn't recommend it. The other half didn't like it, but felt stuck in it. I went through nursing school, but needed more autonomy. Now I'm a carpenter. Crazy world.
Yes it is! It is amazing where one starts and end on their path.
Find your passion and go for it. Money doesn't mean anything when you're dead. You can't replace time. Time is all we have in life!
Preach.
@@DavidWarrenNP both my parents are gone now. Time is all we have in this life. I hope you find your passion and happiness in life. Money will come and go. Not everyone live long enough to enjoy retirement. I'll be rooting for you!!! 🙏🙏💪💪
beautiful saying...
Give this man a 🎤 for his honesty. We need more people like warren to help student really make concise choices about their future. The point I’m trying to make is to have a well perspective of the pros and cons before pursuing a career in any field.
I am a medical student who used to be an ER nurse. I’m 3 months away from graduating from medical school. I had some serious thoughts about what school I should have gone to a long time ago. Now looking back, I have no regrets for my career choices. Certainly, I don’t know what my life would have been like if I had gone to NP school. In medical school, I have sacrificed a lot of free time I would otherwise have to studying. I was forced to go to geographic locations I did not want to go. And I think because of that, i never formed a long stable relationship. However, I was a little bit younger than you at the time(matriculated at 27), I never had an NP degree and my parents are able to move to wherever I go. Now facing residency and match, I’m just glad that I’m finally able to settle down and make an income again. After all the hardship medical school has given me, I am happy with my current situation going into residency as a doctor. I feel we would make good friends if I actually knew you because we think similarly on certain topics lol
Did you have to start all over for your medical route or was your ER nursing background relevant like credit wise ?
@Jswirv thanks
@@Wamsmart you will start all over again.
Bro I'm 27 and just starting med school, you're never too old.
I'm a bsn turned MD student.
Just finished my BSN but I'm debating between NP school and med school. What was your deciding point that helped you choose?
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I went back and fourth too.
I pulled the trigger because I didn't want to go 3-4 more years of education and have regret I never tried to become a physician with a silly DNP degree.
My heart wasn't into being a nurse practitioner it was to be a doctor because deep inside I knew I wouldn't be happy if I chose NP.
It's an isolating experience though and that's got to motivate you.
Everyone attacks up out of an inferiority complex and you can't be phased by this.
The only ones who will understand why you did it are other physicians.
Medicine is a lifestyle and it's very consuming.
I wanted to be able to care for patients to the pinnacle of what medicine is and that is the level of an MD/DO
if you're after just a chill 9-5 or 3 day work week and check out, low-mid level thinking, low liability, low time commitment then yes I can see the appeal of an NP degree.
But this is self serving and puts real lives at risk by your decisions.
Good NPs and PAs know when they need a physician.
But also the don't know what they don't know because they didn't go to med school.
Ultimately you gotta decide man.
@@AZ-wg3eg I appreciate the reply!
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@@AZ-wg3eg that’s precisely why I’m becoming a nurse. This is an industry that will fix people and financially cripple them for life. Let’s call a spade a spade. I just want my money and a stable job. America is god-forsaken. I’d like to eventually work in a socialized system. I just want to be able to afford teeth and go snowboarding while the world burns around me.
Completely agree with everything he said. My goal is to become a CRNA. Being a mother and an active participant in my family life is more important to be than any career. I feel like doctors have a poor work/life balance and that isn’t appealing to me whatsoever. I also feel like becoming a doctor is mostly attractive for the prestige that comes with going to med school. I would still earn a doctorate degree as a CRNA and that seems to be the smartest and most cost efficient way for me to achieve my goals.
Totally agree, im just looking for a simple life balance of my personal life and work. The increase salary is not my main interest. Personal experiences are worth more than money
It's not too late! I am a 33 years old and I quit my job as a firefighter and paramedic and will be applying this summer! But...
I am married , have kids, own a home and will be able to pay for it out of pocket.
Congrats!
Awesome 👍👍👍
Good for you. Hopefully your experience will help get you in.
Straight A's aren't enough anymore. You need some kind of life experience to add to your resume/application.
@@CJGfarm paramedic and firefighter is darn good life experience
My good friend was a paramedic and firefighter it helped him in CRNA school and he is amazing at his job because of the experiences he had working as a medic first
I appreciate your honesty and transparency in this video as well as the "why I'm quitting nurse practitioner". Everything you've said has been about 90 percent true especially with the pay and over saturation. You've taken many words right out of my mouth and thoughts. I am currently around your age group and May of this year could mark my second year of not yet obtaining an NP job since graduating May 2019. Had I known what I know now I would've gone about the experience/route a little differently but I don' regret going at all. I also don't think the medical society knows how valuable NPs can be or don't want to share the benefits and pay. (Pts complain all of the time about long wait times to see a physician)It is what it is and perhaps God has another way he may want me to use my degree(s). Things that are most important are family, friends, LIFE, balance, traveling, things that mean something.
Med student here who just randomly came across your video while studying some pharm! I really like your perspective on everything in this video! However, I really get the sense that you feel youre crunched for time and that med school would take so much of that time that you wouldnt have a life. One thing that med school has really shown me is all of these really neat antiquities of medicine that you have 4 years to really appreciate. They always say "think horses not zebras" when you see common symptoms and presentations, but med school really spends a lot of time discussing those zebras. It really shines kind of a mystical light on everything and offers more dimensions to what we are all doing.
Another thing that I really love about med school is that it forces you to always ask why. It makes you become a detective. So many people in hospitals become dependent on algorithms and its awesome to run in to healthcare workers that can really think outside the flow chart. Medical school really forces you to ask why to everything you learn and to understand it like the back of your hand. My old family doctor could still explain the biochemistry of statin drugs like he just learned about the nephron yesterday!
If youve read this far I also want to comment on something else you said... while yes you can basically do all of the stuff a doctor can do as an APP, job security is HUGE. You can go into a laid back field in medicine where you make $80,000 as an NP, you may make 3 times that in rural hospitals just as a family doc. I understand your crunch for time but when the next 8 years happens, will you be able to look back and be happy with going a different route or would you always wish you would have just given it a shot?
Hey Kenneth! Thanks for watching and commenting. You raise some good points as well. And good point- the next 8 years will happen regardless what I am doing. Thanks again for watching. Good luck in med school.
I'm a RN BSN. I've been on the fence for years about this same thing. I think you articulate my concerns completely.
I also have commitment issues when it comes to a job lol. Which is what drew me to nursing in the first place 😁
I feel like being a doctor has to be something your very passionate about. If you do not want to do it, don't
If all doctors felt that way, it would be a much better and kinder world out there
O t I agree. I wish people treated doctors better. They sacrifice everything and are treated like trash. It’s hard to be passionate all the time when you are disparaged and diminished.
I'm 25 and in a post bacc pre med program (changing careers from hs math teacher to healthcare) and once I complete all the prerequisites, I can apply to many different medical programs - MD, PA, nursing, PT, OT, podiatry, SLP, perfusion. Your video has given me a helpful perspective to consider my options. It is a tough decision to prioritize what I want in a job with wanting to eventually have a family, and not wanting to be too old before I have a chance to do that, as well. I also find myself aware of the precious time I have left with my parents - yet knowing I also have a life to live, want to be financially independent, and have a stable job that I somewhat enjoy. I appreciate you making a video on this topic!
Hey Kristen! Thanks for watching. I 100% agree with the fact that there is more to life than a career. Best of luck on your journey!!
@@DavidWarrenNP Thank you so much. Best of luck to you in CRNA school! Keep up the great attitude - that and faith that everything is working out for you in the best way possible!
I’m the opposite I started doing medicine then switched to comp sci and math to become a quant but best of luck man it’s fun
@@yousefawad8020 How far along were you when you decided to switch? By quant, do you mean data science or something to that effect?
Add CAA to your list of professions to look into. I wish I learned about it when i was younger!
Great reflection on your part. My heart was in CRNA in at 30. I still love it today.
Great video! Don’t really think you ever need to explain yourself to anyone in life. But still love the insights! Keep enjoying the journey!
Thank you- I appreciate that. Thanks for watching.
I feel you, i agree with you , life isn't just about careers, we shouldn't neglect other areas of our lives for a new career we aren't desperate to get
Great video. I finished the prerequisites and entered nursing school at 45. I graduated from with an ADN. I worked as an RN for 15 years, I invested my money and retired in 2015. I don't do anything now. Well, I did travel and make you tube videos. Not much traveling now due to the pandemic.
I’m a 29 Gerald old LPN going back for premed. Finishing med school before 40 is a perfect age for an MD.
Well stated....I feel like i have been going to school my whole life EMT-B, C.N.A, L.P.N, RN, BSN. I was in NP school, Acing my courses but was not seeing my than 5 year old son. I decided to put school on hold. I left school on good terms and may return when the time is right. Do I have any regrets, absolutely not. I have been in the medical field since 1998 from long term skilled facility, ER nurse, OR nurse, educator etc. What have I learned through this all? That the years fly by so fast. The extra money I received in the hospital for on call, act call, ortho call in addition to working my 40 hour week as a OR nurse will never be enough to compensate for those loss moments of family time, birthdays, family celebrations etc. I love what I do but I do not miss those long 12 plus hour shifts, the toll it takes on your physical health, mental health and personal life. I'm thankful to have finally found a balance in my life as a health care provider, mother, wife, and daughter. I work as a PAT nurse, AM nurse, OR nurse, PACU nurse depending on where I am scheduled to work that day in addition to working a second job as an educator at the hospital. And you know what the best part of it all is, I get to clock out at 5pm and go home to my family. To each their own. Find your balance in life and have no regrets.
at the end of the day the only thing that matters is doing what you are passionate about.
medical school will put you in debt? so what. pay it back over time. can't take money to the grave.
you're older than a traditional medical student? so what. with age comes wisdom.
medical school will take more time? so what. you're gonna get older anyways. do what you wanna do.
never look at these things as hard stops. they're just obstacles to overcome. i've been an RN for 6 years and decided to go back to uni and apply to med school. would it be easier to just go get an advanced nursing degree and enjoy the salary? stay bedside? yup, you bet it would. the easier things are not always the best things. i'd hate to get to the end of my life and regret never living out a dream.
you only live once homies.
Time will pass regardless of what career you choose. If you choose a career you are passionate about, then it is worth the sacrifice and the years of education and training. But, if you put emphasis on family and personal life more, there are other career choices with less commitment and time. All reasonable, depending on what matters to you the most.
I'm 30, been a nurse for 6 years, starting med school! Otherwise I'll regret it for the rest of my life!
Yeah, I'd rather do and get burnout and quit than not doing it and regret later. I'm on the same path as you are.
@@redpilledbachelor7776 im not gonna lie, as a medical student myself, I highly don't recommend medicine to anyone just in general... unless your stupidly passionate about it. i myself enjoy medicine but still sometimes things are just tough and it takes a lot of years out of ur life with all the studying. not a good life style to be honest but again if you're truly obsessed maybe that's the exception
@@Mikesco10 it is okay, I don't have a life. I can sit and study all day, Lol. Kudos to you and all the sacrifice you make.
@@redpilledbachelor7776 thats whats up man, if you're up to it you can do it. gd luck
I’m a trauma icu nurse applying to med school this year. I feel the same, if I don’t apply to medical school I will regret it my whole life.
I remember seeing this video before applying to nursing school. Here I am now a ICU RN after completing my accelerated BSN
Oh that’s amazing!! 💪🏼💪🏼
I’m almost 24 years old. I start nursing in the spring. I was not the smartest student in school, and I didn’t take my education seriously. I graduated high school at 19. I went to college for a year and dropped out. I worked low wage jobs, then went back at 21, got depressed and dropped out again. I just started back to college, and I have thought of trying out for medical school many times. If I was more serious 5 years ago, I’d try it. Now I agree with your opinions completely. 8 whole years of school brings me to 32, plus 3 to 10 years of residency and fellowship, takes me to 35 to 42 years old. I cannot wait that much of my life for a paying job. On top of that, I’d work for 20 years max and then get old and tired and retire. That is too much schooling, and very few short years of actually working. I also fear however, that even registered nursing will get over saturated like nurse practitioners are now. I cannot begin to tell you how many people I went to high school with, that have become nurses. I also have a mother, and a cousin who are nurses. I’m very concerned about my future, and how to make a living, and become independent from my family. I try to keep my eyes open for high demand jobs with high pay. For me, college is not necessary. However it seems so many jobs don’t pay well, even though articles say that they are in need and pay well. This is especially true as I’m in a non-union state.
Well you are only 24 still young +8 =32 then most likely 3-5 years of residency WHICH YOU GET PAID. No, not a physician salary but a nursing level salary! When you think of 6 years plus it’s really only neurosurgery and their 1-2 year optional fellowships (also ct surg) which is 9 years max but you can do quickies fields like emergency med which is 3 years then at 35 you’re making 320,000k plus and can work for 30 years give or take
I do not foresee bedside RN getting oversaturated at all, because it is such a high burnout field. The majority of RN's quit bedside nursing or nursing completely after a few years. I became a RN about 2 years ago and started out in the ICU in Southern California. The majority of nurses that were there when I started 2 years ago are all gone, only the older nurses who are trying to retire there are still here. All the friends that I made here are gone. We had major problems with not having enough nurses even before covid, and covid only made everything 1000x worse. I'm planning on quitting completely nursing and going to medical school. The 2 short years that I worked as a RN in the ICU filled me with hate and anger toward the hospital, the business model of healthcare, and some people (patients, their families, the greedy hospital director, lazy doctors, lazy house supervisors, lazy entitled phlebotomist, lazy entitled EVS, stupid pharmacy techs, greedy pharmacists, etc).
I've seen alot of physicians working well into their 70's they could retire but I guess they don't want to.
I got into Loyola University Chicago in 2004 .. dropped out right away .. medical school, pharmacy school, nutrition, etc all went down the drain .. lol .. money was the issue ...became a Respiratory Therapist.. been working since then ..but I do many other side hustles .. something in medical field is good to have .. stepping stone
Loved the video and your perspective, I earned a pre-medicine degree wanted to go to medical school but I have a family also. So the reason why I don’t want to go to medical school is time and debt. So I chose to do an accelerated BSN program that will allow me to hopefully one day be a DNP. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experience.
I can definitely relate to that experience. I think there is more to life than education for me, personally. Best of luck to you!
When you have a family to consider, the whole family unit has to be on board and work out in order to uphold going to medical school. In a way the whole family is doing med school. Med school is a consuming animal and the person getting the medical degree has to have financial, emotional, social support ( married w/family or single). A person should feel secure and supported in any rigorous academic school program. Nursing fields are no cake walk either. I know of some individuals who unfortunately were not able to be successful. They were first generation students and from disadvantaged backgrounds. One came from an alcoholic upbringing in fact. The good news is this person is starting over at a CC LPN program and doing well and hopes to work up in dialysis nursing. A livable LPNsalary can be earned while taking further classes and continuing school. That’s the great thing about nursing. It gives people with potential
a chance to overcome difficult beginnings and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Nursing can meet you where you are in just about any stage in life. It’s a great field for those willing to work hard and have vision. Finally, going into a nursing field whether it’s as a CNA or a CRNA, will give you an excellent way to get clinical experience, earn a decent living, and potentially catapult you to the role of a provider at low overall cost (especially for those who have worked their way through a majority of nursing education). You have to be okay with being a nurse and your role that you achieved in providing the best patient care on the healthcare team. 🙂
23 about to be 24 years old here and currently work in the CVICU as an RN. Originally wanted to be a NP around 19 or 20 but now I’m thinking CRNA or MD. The time commitment and being away from my family hurts to think about. However, my thirst for more medical knowledge never seems to go away. Ugh... I wish I could just decide!
If thirst for medical knowledge is your motivation and you wanna be at the top of the game, there is no way around going to med school
Thank you for your vidéo David, they are realistic and open. I am an NP student been a nurse for four years, I love how transparent and open you are, it really open my eyes on a realistic prospective😍
Thank you for your comment. I appreciate that. And thanks for watching.
Same here! The transparency is awesome! Thank you and good luck in CRNA school! You'll do great things 😉
Thanks for posting! I'm in nursing school as a post-bacc. First degree was Biochem and I was pre-med. There are times when I want to know so much more of the science that I question if I should have focused on going to med school to become a doctor. However, I have other passions / hobbies that I may make into another career and decided I did not want to commit to being a doctor. I also want a balance of family, friends, and my creative outlets. My deal breaker was that I enjoy spending more time with patients and actually see them physically become healed.
I think the question is for people: How much of yourself do you want to give to medicine?
This is my entire thought process!
:) Ever think about PA?
@@jg1296 Yes!
As a nursing student finishing up my BSN you have great videos with a ton of helpful advice. Ive watched about 3 of your videos and just subscribed. I definitely want to further my education after some experience. Ive been so split between going the CRNA route or med school route because both seem interesting to me. Great video, awesome points! I definitely agree about valuing other things more than a career. Plus the Physician career path is more binding than the CRNA path.
I’m 24 and about to finish my ABSN program (my first degree was biology) and I’m seriously considering applying to med school but the time commitment and the debt scares me!!
@David Warren NP, Can you make a comparison video on the education of MD vs NP. I m a recent BSN and it seems that NPs get very limited knowledge of pathos and pharm and assessment. It seems that 500 hrs of clinical do not jutify the patients. I can not believe that 4MD years and a minimum of 3 residency years can justify 2 years of NP. NP program should be highly competitive to enter and pass. I checked the Program plan of NP of one of big-name university and it seems that 2 courses of Pharmacotherapeutics, one pharm, one assessment, one advance procedure, and 2 AGACNP couse and you become NP. HOW IT justify 4 years of Medical school?
Every NP program is different. If you listen to his other videos he explains this. Some programs do not require enough hands on clinical hours. For example my program (I graduated in 2009), required 1000 clinical hours as a RN and 2000 plus hours of NP clinical time.
Damn man. You literally took everything in my brain and put it into words. I have been going back and forth fighting with myself trying to decided which route to go. I have a BSN, currently a nurse. I have been torn between PA/CRNA/MD. Not NP, like your concerns, their education isn't standardized and you have to keep going back to school to earn certificates to work with other populations. I'm currently taking pre-med prereqs (have only orgo II left next semester). But I keep asking myself, is this really what I want? I'm not that passionate to make medicine my entire life. I know deep down medical school isn;t right for me, but something just keeps pulling me, I'm not sure what it is... The doctors I have met and worked with make medicine their entire life, and family etc secondary. It's almost like your expected to do that, patients always come first which makes sense, but not to me.
I'm 29, married, a mom of 3 kids. Obviously I have other priorities ( being with my kids at the most important time, travel, raise money for retirement), I'm still trying to figure my next step out. I have been seriously considering CRNA, they do really cool procedures, and I love using my hands. I want to be a good mom, present, enjoy the little moments, and everyone knows that medical training is very unforgiving when it comes to having a family.
You know, University Of Michigan did a study and found that ALMOST HALF of female physicians go part time or leave medicine ENTIRELY within 6 years of graduating residency. That is crazy! But it does make sense if you think about it, usually most of these women have put off starting families for YEARS during training (4 years med school, 3-7 residency) and when they do, it's difficult balancing being a great provider and a great mother at the same time. There's a couple of of youtubers that try to show it's doable, and honestly, they must have extraordinary support systems to make it possible (stay at home dads, family to help, childcare, etc). For me, this isn't possible as my husband works, and I don't have family near by.
Curious, what kind of specialty did you PA friend want to go to med school to do? Was it because he wanted more autonomy, pay, etc?
Keep up the qreat videos, I liked and subscribed :)
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Very wise and a wonderful prospective. Love, a fellow NP
I’m 30 and barley going to be starting nursing school within the next year, CRNA is the goal one day
That is awesome! Keep it up. It will be worth it!
I like how transparent your videos are! Keep going David! Wish the best for you!
As someone in Nursing school right now, you’re really giving me a good grasp into what I want to do later on in life. Thanks so much for your insight!
My sister is a MD and I am a RN (enrolled in NP school in Fresno). I am 26 and she is 32. I’ll be honest she isn’t happy with her career choice since she have so many of her years to become a doctor. Like us, she doesn’t love medicine. At the end of the day it all depends on what you value more in life. Like yourself I value spending time building my relationships and experiencing life outside of medics. That is why I picked NP as a career over MD. I will be 28 by the time I become an NP. MD would make me 36. Having a similar scope of practice and making a good salary I find to be a better career choice for me personally.
Interesting! I feel the same way. There is more to life than education. Fresno! Nice.
@@DavidWarrenNP After doing a lot of research on Reddit and watching RUclips videos on the future of NP being over saturated I’m kind of second guessing my decision currently. I like working in rural areas primarily. Do you think the salary and job opportunities for rural areas for NPs will also be negatively impacted in the future?
you have your priorities straight. I went the same route as you-nursing and np, but always wanted to be MD and still do. But because of the route I chose, I can be a functioning mother, wife, and still have a life :)
Bro, I'm 26 turning 27 and applying to Med school. You're not that much older than me.
Most medical students are 23-27 when they start medical school. A lot of people do gap year(s)
Medical school is more like “well over $200,000” lbs
This might sound cliche, but seriously I can't stress this enough, you should absolutely DO NOT try to become a doctor if you're not actually passionate about the profession. No money in the world is worth going through all that if you're forcing yourself, if push comes to shove you might be able to make it through med school and into residency to finally realize how soul crushing working as a doctor (especially as an underpaid, overworked resident) can be
Easy saying that but much better to be a doctor than be unemployed and homeless. Also you can bang hot women if you are a doctor.
love listening to you...just beautiful to watch
I agree bro. I think NP is enough and it is done. to be honest, MD school is ridiculously long including the residency. it should not be this long. yes, i saw people who went to MD school in their 50s but i would not want to do that. life is short and it is not all about money, it is not all about medicine either.
Hi there, I get your point , I guess it all comes down to whatever works for you and what makes you happy. You’re in the age where probably you want to start a family and the amount of work and schooling you have to do will take all the time and effort. I guess you have to ask yourself why am I doing this career? Do I feel stuck? Is it work that it? Everyone’s different and has their own opinion. For me , I’m in my 30s and being a nurse for almost 15 yrs I’m done with bed side , I just want to have a relaxing life, work on family , and spend time with friends . There’s soo much life out there besides a career! Hope you find what you’re looking for and good luck! 🍀👍🏼
I’m glad I watched your video. For a longest time, I’ve considered going to the NP program. I’m even reading the book ‘Patho made ridiculously simple’ to prepare for NP school. However, my heart is not in it. I’m content with being a RNBSN, working 3 days a week and having alot of time for hobbies. Even though I did well in school, if I have to be honest, I hate school and studying. So, thank you!
PS-I’m glad you don’t have the Texas accent considering you’re from rural Texas.
Money is necessary but not important. Spending time with your family is important, especially with your elderly parents, because you don't know when they are going to be taken from you forever. I have learned that the hard way.
Im also BSN student and i m very confused about my decision tht it's right or wrong ....i wanted to go medical school but rather thn tht i choose nursing school ...our situation is same .....just brother please tell me how i can make my decision right and tips to do best in nursing .... please tell
Have you considered PA school? Physician assistants are trained in medicine and is only 2-3 years with no residency needed
Just a suggestion if you like procedures. One of my classmates in PA school landed a job with an interventional radiology group and he loves it. There is better job security as it's a smaller niche in the medical field. I'm sure a NP could easily get into that field as well--and it's on-the-job training.
Why not earn a PhD in Nursing? There are many opportunities to expand on your knowledge, engage in research, teaching, consulting work, etc. There are many programs that will pay you to attend those programs. Just an idea.
Question: Do you plan to work as you're going back to school?
could you do a video on why you didn't choose PA? the curriculum is short and the problems you have with NP aren't really a thing in PA
Think about CRNA school. Could be a good option
Haha you guessed correctly
@@DavidWarrenNP lol That’s awesome. Trying to do the same.
I spoke with a NICU MD at one of the biggest trauma hospitals on the west coast. She said do not be discouraged by age when approaching the MD program. She said there are thousands of foreign students tackling the same hill in their mid 30s and 40s. While each individual's journey is their own, it is possible to pursue an MD and have all of those goals. It also seems your scope for a career is only in the DFW area. You mentioned having family that you have grown closer with, is that the reason why you are focused on staying only on that area?
I'm also 34 and wrestling with MD program vs NP or PA. I feel my age and desires in life would be inhibited by the MD program....but I would love to be a surgeon or work in dermatology (a field I currently work in as an MA). I am leery of PA programs because of the changes that are upcoming (title change and adjustment of authority). NP school is appealing, especially in trauma care or even dermatology...but I want to become a flight nurse (since flight surgeon is a far off dream). I am not inhibited by a geographic location currently. I am willing to travel and live abroad if need be to accomplish the goals I have set before me. The current plan is to finish a BSN program, become a travel nurse and pay off my loans as soon as possible, then become a flight nurse. On my down time I will study and work towards an DNP degree--the new standard in the pacific northwest and several states--for when I am wanting to have a more stable life for a family. But I always wrestle with the MD. It would require another year of classes and frustrations--and the difficulties that will come with the MCAT becoming a pass/fail.
Great points!
Keep Dropping These Great Videos
Thank you!
i agree with you, if you are not passionate about medicine, dont go to med school, you will get burned out otherwise
AI and Robotics will reduce the need for Doctors. Saturation tends to self correct itself. Less enrollments and lower salaries will deter enrollments.
Awesome video!
This man is correct you can’t work 60 to 80 hrs a wk yrs on end. Life’s way too short 😐
1000%
2008 Graduate 🙌just turned 31 on 01.24.2021. I feel the same how am I 30s and graduated 13 years ago 😳
Just left med school amidst the pandemic. The quality of education isn't so good. Might return in the future but for now Im going to get life experience as a pharmacist, earn money, and hopefully wait this all out.
Love your videos :)
Hey! Thanks for watching. That is very interesting. Wish you the best of luck on whatever you choose.
@@DavidWarrenNP Zoom medical school isn't great. I recommend if you ever do wish to attempt, to wait this out. I've gone straight through school and never tried working life. Really excited and I hope my former peers will not experience the stresses of the hospital amidst these times...but most likely they will. We had no cadaver and i believe more restrictions will be in place next year.
I'm excited to explore what I want. I really wanted to get this all out of the way, but life didn't go out as planned. I want to be a doctor to serve...but after I've lived life for myself, for a bit. See what I need.
God bless.
David, I really like your video, okay for the next video, can you give some idea or tips to prepare before clinical or internship at the hospital and after graduation from a nursing bachelor degree? Thank you man,. I hope I can see it.
Why not go to med school? Because No one can fucking get in nowadays. 30 primary apps, 30 rejections. And this is with 3.91GPA and 508 MCAT and 7 years work exp (I'm 27). Been trying to do well on the mcat since college. It's fucking hard.
So I had to go the DO route instead of MD.
So the question most many people isn't whether you will go to "Med school". It's whether you'll accept DO.
Med schools also don’t like to accept white males anymore
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Yeah. And forget asians! Asians have it even tougher than white people.
Unless you're beyond perfect, you need to be black or some other minority and then waltz in with mid tier stats.
Cure Aging I’m weak just accept the fact that you can’t get into med school is because you are white. I’m sorry but that’s a bad excuse
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Check out this matriculation chart released by AMCAS themselves for 2020.
www.aamc.org/system/files/2020-10/2020_FACTS_Table_A-18.pdf and then tell me it's an excuse.
@@DrCureAging Your point? you think having a 3.91 gpa is just going to guarantee you an acceptance and it won't. But, im not trying to bash you in any way that is a great gpa and you are intellectually qualified to attend medical school. But, blaming that minority students take up all the seats when they are roughly 6 percent of all doctors (not even half their population percentage) they have lower stats on average because 1. smaller sample size. 2. other factors like lack of resources for example private tutors.
I just got accepted into a BSN to DNP program. I’m stressing out. I’m starting to question if I should be trying for an MD instead.
I whish I could have chosen NOT to go to medial school rather than not ever having had the choice at all.
i graduate undergrad in one year and will be applying to med school in 2 years. I thought long and hard about being an RN, NP, or PA, but i came to the conclusion that i don’t want to be limited in my ability to care. PAs and NPs where i work only see low acuity patients and i really want to have the opportunity to see and treat it all. I’m thinking to go into EM, anesthesia, radiology, or family medicine, but who knows
Maybe where you work… I have worked as a NP for 12 years in primary care working in a rural community health center taking care of highly complex patients independently. I would not say NPs see low acuity patients
@@melbee1000 key word “rural”, that is the reason. Rural areas have barely anyone applying, so they take what they get. Midlevels usually have more autonomy in rural dominated states.
"would I go to medical school? Not now."
Why not?! I'm an LPN with 10yr exp, enrolled in college for my ASN, goal is BSN. Most of the prerequisites are part of the prerequisites for BSN. I don't know what I'll do in a few years, but I do know I wasn't as mature about my education as I am now.you don't have to be a genius to be a doctor, geniuses are made not born. At this moment, nothing is off the table and I do have my eyes set on MD at 32. So what if I finish residency at 45 to 50.
But, I will admit my life goals are different than yours too. Never going to have children for example, and my wife revels in the idea of change.
I've seen physicians well in their 70s and higher still working. There's no doubt they could retire, but it seems they've chosen not to quite yet. There's a surgeon that was doing cardiothoracic and complicated surgeries like whipples procedures when he was 80. He was still walking around the hospital seeing patients at 90 even though he was no longer operating.
Im 19 idk if I should be NP or MD
30 is just a baby🍼
David, thank you for sharing your experience and reflecting back on your decisions when you were young. This is going to be a long post but I want to share that one of my friends started as a zoologist (MSc Zoology) became a lecturer in a college and then took admission in a nursing school, studied for 4 years, and graduated as BScN. He worked as RN for few years but couldn't satisfy himself as a nurse and so at the age of 40 years he decided to go to medical school. Here in Pakistan medical school is also expensive and my friend belongs to a very poor family and even his salary as a lecturer was not enough to support his Med school but he borrowed money from friends, took some loans from banks, and continued his Med school. His family (one wife, two kids, mother and father, his father suffered from a stroke and died while he was away for his med school plus part-time jobs) suffered and still suffering since he is now in the final year of his Med school but my friend is extremely excited and happy of his decision. He lost a lot of money, his lifestyle didn't change due to his expensive education but he is living his dream. In next post I will tell you about myself.
You would not only be presented with which residency to choose, but you'd have to match. It's a two fold problem. There are some people who finish medical school who can't match into their chosen specialty, then they have to take whatever they can get. Not ideal at all.
All good reasons you listed. I like your thought processes.
Yeah that is very true. Those step 1 and 2 scores tho haha. That really dictates your match + interview skills. Thanks for watching.
Yes, you are correct about residency being a hurdle. There are many who do not match and have no where to go. You are left with a medical doctorate degree and can not be employed as an md. There are stories of md graduates who didn't match working odd jobs, are homeless, or committed suicide unfortunately. There was a story about a med student who didn't match even in scramble. She became an EMT and worked as an EMT while taking RN classes. Also, I agree that you can be accepted into medical school with a nontraditional age. However the allopathic residencies unfortunately may not accept an older applicant. -Then you are stuck with an essentially useless medical doctorate degree. On a positive side I heard that OD residencies are more non trad age friendly so going to Osteopathic school may be the wiser route for an OD residency if you are an older applicant. Yes it's true there are many physicians who do practice up in their 80s and may be beyond. Best wishes to all with a dream to achieve whatever road you take.
Do they have travel jobs for PAs? And what travel agency do you use/recommend as an NP?
Travel PA is a thing!:)
Solid reasoning
Is there a big salary difference between NP vs MD?
Yes- it all depends on what area of medicine you work in.
I’m 29 and I’m my 4th year.
I'm asked this constantly too. You explained this perfectly.
What was your bachelor degree on?
Im in nursing school, last semester, and I'm thinking about going to medical school since NP is starting to look not so good. But we will see where life takes me.
Hello, can you elaborate what you mean? I’m finishing up my undergrad and am choosing between nursing/medicine
@@DavidPerez-hs5xc to a be a nurse you need a BSN and major innursing but to go into medicine/med school you can have any bachelors degree. i’m sure there are people that majored in nursing that went to medschool but most people major is biology or chemistry and apply to med school
@@leospicegirl that’s true! If I do go down the nursing route though, I’d definitely go to an accelerated BSN program in addition to my biology degree. Still on the fence however
If you don’t mind me asking, why is NP going down the drain??? I think I’m gonna do nursing after my biology degree and I always thought about maybe doing NP later in life.
@@gregsams6687 I’m on the same boat, Greg! Cool, another guy nurse 😆
I think you're underestimating the NP profession. It might be saturated in your area but it's not the case throughout the country. And you're right they're pumping out a lot of NP's but they're also projected to have a lot of growth in the field and demand
ay i respect your veir on everything you said but what u said towards the end mentioning that your parents would be probably be dead by you finished you medical training if you were to pursue it... that's not correct. don't stay stuff like, first of all out of respect for your parents and second of all, for the fact being young doest guarantee u will see tomorrow. you never know when you will die that's in the hands of God. gd luck with everything though.
You can become MD even when 60 y.o.
Please make a video on student loan, paying for school and financial aspect of being an NP, ACNP and going back for crna
Great video thank you for sharing your experience and information. I am in community college now, am taking prerequisites for nursing school. Would you tell me about the job security of ADN? Is it safe to head from ADN to BSN or direct BSN is preferable? I am confused. Thanks
I did ADN at a community college and was fortunate to get hired into the hospital right after graduating. A lot of employers want you to have a year of experience before they hire. I recommend doing the ADN program, work a year and make money (pay back them loans!) Then do an online RN-BSN program. That's what I did!
When you say it’s easy to switch between specialties, how does that process look like? For example, is it okay to go from a CRNA and become a FNP?
Thanks for your insight!
BSN, RN, I am planning on applying to CRNA school soon. Three year program. 100k in debt. Will graduate at 37. Sacrificing the next 3 years of my life. I just fear regret...such a hard decision.
Do it man! I’m a CRNA and school is very taxing , but the outcome is absolutely worth it. That pulling at your soul to go back to school won’t go away if you truly want it. But, believe me after you finally become a CRNA it’s the best feeling ever, and you can actually have that peace of mind with no regrets.
@@kyledeitz2760 how’s the job outlook and work life balance?
I’m considering taking nursing all the way to CRNA as a second career but I know it’s going to be hard and a lot of work.
Oops your a student CRNA already. Well I guess it worked out lol
Haha you got it
You should get those Philip hue lights for your place.
Med.School would not have accepted you,not the other way round.
Nahh I don't think so Mr. NPillay3020
🤣😂😒30 is not over the hill🤣
I'm 60😳 and feel like 45😁
😂😂😂
Think about going to a more NP friendly state you can be a solo provider and have your own clinic.
Hospitals always put you under a doc
Mmm physics lol
David since you became a graduate nurse you have had two AP nursing education which may have been time you would have completed 4yrs of medical school. The additional time you spent working could have been residency for you... but that is if you can convince yourself of the obvious. For you, at this point to be willing to go back to 3yrs of crna school means you can still make the choice for medical school, then do a residency in anaesthesiology which is 4yrs of working residency. Just saying
Delusions of grandeur
Probably cannot get in to medical school!