Never trust the Element Fire Extinguisher!!
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2022
- Testing out the Element Advanced Fire Protection fire extinguisher. I bought these to avoid the need for a fire extinguisher. They are the size of road flare and I can fit multiple of them in my glove box. Let me know your thoughts in the comments.
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From the Element web-site: FIGHTS ALL MAJOR FIRE CLASSES*
INCLUDING COOKING OIL & GREASE FIRES
*Not recommended for outdoor live coal fires (ie. wood campfires or logs)
What is the downside to having ABC if you only need one of them like what you mention?
Or is that a specific criticism of the Element and maybe it's mechanism of working?
I assume, but I could be wrong, that an ABC extinguisher is a compromise and you’d be better off with one that is designed to fight just the kind of fire you have. My comment though was addressing the complaints here about it not working well on this brush fire, despite the product specifying that it doesn’t work well on brush fires, I mean they told you it wasn’t for that yet that’s what you tested it in. Strange.
Not impressed. Only thing I’d like to see is how a traditional fire extinguisher performed on the same fire.
I had some dry chemical extinguishers that were old and slightly under pressure so I took them on a camping trip to show my wife how to put out a fire with a fire extinguisher. She used one on a good sized wood fire and it was like flipping a light switch. The fire went out instantly. I was going to buy some of these Element fire sticks but I've seen far too many videos like this one, they don't appear to be very effective to say the least.
New video of that coming up soon.
@@AZ_Raven well they arent intended to put out a camp fire is the thing, alot more for an engine bay fire where wind cant effect it.
@javanbybee4822 Well, they are far from impressive on the engine fires that I've seen as well. I saw a video of someone using it on a grease fire in a small pan on a stove, and while it did put it out, it was also far from impressive. I used about 15 cents worth of baking soda one time to put out a similar grease fire and it went out IMMEDIATELY. If these extinguishers are only good for certain fires, under certain conditions, they aren't worth the money. They are a false sense of security IMO.
And who says there won't be wind in an engine bay fire?
@@theperformancereviewchanne146do em side by side
The problem with Element is that it doesn't cool the burning pieces, as water does. So, even if you suppress the flames, if the base is still hot enough, it will re-ignite. If the fire doesn't have a base of something that retains embers, such as wood, the Element will work as designed.
yeah I'd use F500EA or something like that... that not only has the benefit of water but also suppresses the heat quickly.
Excellent point. Note this caution on their web site: "*Not recommended for outdoor live coal fires (ie. wood campfires or logs)". Despite this, it looked as all his 'tests'' used some wood. I saw this same thing on failed reviews by several other people.
That is why you should use powder.
These Element fire sticks are pretty useless. I had a break fire on my car. I was at a car meet and had several sticks in my glove box. Tried two of them together and it had no effect. It was one of the other car owners who put the fire out with a conventional extinguisher. I carry two conventional extinguishers now. One for me and one in case I meet someone else with a fire who only has firesticks! 😂.
That's terrifying. Thanks for doing a video on this! 👍
*casually destroys a 2J valve cover thinking it's from a celica* lol
Not a valve cover, it's just a dress up piece, they're a dime a dozen for those 2JZ ones
@@jacobwebb8818 could have been $100 in his pocket (I needed that exact one 🥲)
The directions tell you not to get so close, so you gave this thing every chance to work. Really cool video, you did an awsome job.
I don't really think he gave it every chance to work. The element website specifically says it's not recommended for wood campfires because the coals can reignite the wood, especially in the presence of wind. And he put the second fire at the bottom of a barrel on a windy day where he could not effectively get the product to reach the source of the fire, which any fire extinguisher needs to be able to do in order to be effective. In an engine bay he would have multiple routes to reach the fire with the product of this extinguisher because the fire itself wouldn't be able to push the smoke away as it did in the barrel. He'd have probably had better results by just dropping the extinguisher into the barrel for the second test.
@@timothyjenkins9247 also an engine fire would be more enclosed and getting water to go UP is not something that is going to happen in an engine bay. Perhaps have both this and a small F500EA extinguisher for each type of fire.
IT ALSO STATES NOT RECOMMENDED FOR OUTDOOR LIVE COALS (IE. WOOD CAMPFIRES OR LOGS!!!
This is a nightmare. Imagine buying it for your mom or wife thinking it’s an ok substitute and they have to learn first hand how useless they are
It put the fire out? A normal extinguisher would have lasted 10 second... this seems to have lasted over a minute... so you'd need TWO of these for this kind of fire and it would put it out easily... , and two or three 'normal' fire extinguishers.
Should demo them side by side to see what i mean. Then also would like to see the mess also... most extinguishers leave a mess also which sucks for small fires.
@@chrisdawes7270 but these sticks don’t work
@@chrisdawes7270 not all extinguishers are the same, its incredibly important to buy a fire extinguishers that are rated for its purpose in this scenario it would be a powder type extinguisher since it would be more effective and quicker rather than using multiple sticks for a longer amount of time
Granted, element specifically says it shouldn’t be used on coal fires(wood campfires, logs, etc). Besides that it’s certified for all NATO Armed Forces to use, included the US Military, EU, Aussie, NZ, &many more. Just not the US since it’s not a pressurized canister with a hose&meter since the testing body, Underwriters Laboratories won’t even consider testing it. Elements working on getting that changed since the US military does have&use them.
@@halvorson566 they still suck tho lol
Element literally has a notice on their website that live ember fires are best extinguished with water. This holds true even when you have a dry chemical extinguisher available. Water removes two sides of the fire triangle from a live ember fire. Oh, and you're also holding it much too close to the fire and keep pulling it away/downwind of the fire, allowing it to start back up again.
Water removes one side:
Heat. Of course if you drench it, it removes oxygen too but normally only cooling effect.
Powder primarily removes the air (covering the fuel) but also interrupts the chemical reaction of the fire, so two for one so to say. This is why they are so extremely effective.
Additionally, the blast of compressed air from the DC extinguisher would likely have blown burning embers all over the place making things worse.
This was an expensive test 😅thanks for doing it !
I was thinking the same thing! I almost bought this stick, but after he spent a couple hundred bucks demonstrating how ineffective it is, glad I didn’t. Thank you, OP, for putting this out there. I’ll stick with old school tank extinguishers.
And that engine cover was off a mk4 supra worth 200+ lol
Thanks so much for reviewing this. It just made more fire in the first test.
Do you think you need to stand further back from it?
I wonder if steadily pointing it at the base of the flame without waving it around would have worked better? In any case I think I'll pass on these and go with Halogen and Purple K in my car.
If it is a fire that has just started burning, this device works. For fires that have been burning for several minutes, only water can put it out.
This is the second video I saw with this thing and I'll never buy one. Thanks for testing it.
Who woulda thunk that attempting to put out an actual fire with a glorified road flare / smoke grenade would fail so miserably...? 🤔
I would have liked seeing you do the same test with an ABC fire extinguisher for a true comparison. At my employer, we are required to have fire extinguisher training yearly. If not properly used, a regular fire extinguisher is pretty ineffective and only sprays for no about 10 seconds. It's main purpose is to knock back a fire to allow you to escape to safety.
I did the same test with a proper extinguisher in another video. The result is much different. Check the channel if you want to see that test.
Whilst it's more expensive and requires upkeep even a 2.5lb/1kg ABC Powder would have put all those fires out in seconds. The fire stick concept is not new and was first marketed several decades ago (& still is I believe) by a road flare manufacturer as the Chimfex - specifically for Chimney Fires, where it does work - they never claimed it as a more universal product & still don't. Here in the UK/Europe we've gone for new extinguishing agents in traditional extinguishers with far more sucess.
2 kg powder is VERY cheap and all you have to do is check the pressure monitor to see that it is good and to turn it around a few times once a year. That's it. Will last at least ten years. 1 kg is a bit too small and above 2 kg is a bit clumsy having in the car.
A 2lb powder extinguisher would not have put that barrel fire out.
@@bobstanton6444 It could considering the size of test fire it can put out, especially contained like that - I wish I had the facilities as I would try it out to check!
Just get an Amerex BC or Purple K, or halotron if you need a clean agent, and be done with it. What is your safety and property worth to taking chances?
It says on the stick tht ots not for that kind of fire
I'm going to get a couple of those to help get my camp fires going!
I used a powder fire extinguisher to save my car once and if I have to again, Im still going to rely on a regular fire extinguisher
The best fire extinguisher for fighting fires on ordinary solid matrials such as wood, paper, cloth, rubbish, bedding , upholstery, clothing etc. Is the 2.5 gallon pressurized water fire extinguisher. Its not good for grease, oil, flammable liquids, or electrical equipment. But for ordinary class A combustibles it can't be beat . I keep 2 of them at home, 1 upstairs and 1 downstairs. And when I was living in an apartment I kept on there too... just in case.
What did you use for fuel in this "camp fire"? Obviously there are some kind of wood pellets that would never be in a normal camp fire. Can you at least give us the brand of pellets you dumped on the fire and whatever else you have in there?
Such videos rip my heart apart and take the hope for a simple and effective fire extinguisher ;) Jokes aside, I noticed the vendor often shows small extinguished petrol fires, which raised some of my concerns. I have also seen a test where the stick appeared to fuel the fire by either providing heat or stirring the air around, but I am not sure. One of the issues of such a device is it doesn't remove the heat from the fire, so there is a high chance the fire will reignite when the stick is exhausted. I see some issues with your test.
1) They say the stick does not work on a wood fire, see the first test.
2) They recommend larger sticks for cars and motorhomes, perhaps 50-100.
3) What would have happened if you threw the stick into a barrel simulating engine bay fire? I don't know if I will purchase it, but I would get 100s stick, throw it under the bonnet and close it. Maybe this would be more effective, but I am still concerned about the heat that would still be present at the source. I wish the vendor provided more real-life tests. Obviously, it could hurt their business.
Thanks for the input. At the end of the video I did throw the stick into the barrel and it had no effect on the fire. As for the larger stick, it does not knock the fire down at all so adding more time would not yield any different result. Think you nailed it when you said it doesn’t remove the heat, a conventional extinguisher does not remove the heat but it at least chokes the flames out to allow it to start cooling.
The problem I see with this is that the high velocity exhaust from the extinguisher is creating a venturi effect and pulling clean air along with it, so it's putting the fire out right where you're aiming it but at the same time it's providing more oxygen to the areas around it. It will probably work for a small fire that just ignited, but it has no chance over a large fire unless the fire is contained to an enclosed area (so blazing fuel leaking out the bottom of the hood would already be a problem) AND there are no solid fuels on fire since it seems to do nothing against those.
So it's better than nothing but compared to a real fire extinguisher it's useless.
Everything I’ve seen on this product you do not want to count on this to put out a fire when it matters.
that spark plug cover was from a Toyota 2JZ engine (Supra and Aristo), not a Celica
Darn, that's probably a sought-after engine cover being from out of country
Good info.
Looks like it's better at lighting fighters than extingushing.
How did this get approved to go on the market 😢
No UL testing
Excellent video thanks for sharing. Not trying too be funny but if my vehicle was to burn like that I wouldn’t try to save it. That’s why I don’t keep cigarette lighters or rubbing alcohol even hand sanitizer in the vehicle all fire hazards especially living in hot af sunny FL.
When I worked for one of the seven largest oil companies, I had to take fire-fighter training. I quickly discovered how HARD fire is to extinguish. The typical "home-owner" 4-8 pound dry chemical is WORTHLESS! I now carry a 30 pound dry-chemical 30ABC rated in both my car and truck, and another one's in my kitchen. If you stand 4 feet from a fire, it will extinguish 30 square feet of "fire" (an 8 foot square), MAYBE. If it's cloth/trash/paper/wood, you REALLY need the cooling effect of water. A "portable" extinguisher is REALLY only useful in the first minute or two of a fire, when it's SMALL and contained. When your 30 pounder is empty, RUN and be sure you've called the fire department!!! Your and your families' life depends on it! Any FD is GLAD to make a "dry run" if you've extinguished a fire. I watched the Tulsa Fire Dept. burn down a house for training. From a pint of cooking oil lit in a skillet, the entire 2200 sq. ft. two-story was "totally involved" in FOUR MINUTES, and collapsed in 5 minutes, WITHOUT furniture inside. No one COULD have survived.
Ever read the instructions on how to use an extinguisher? You always start from the bottom, up.
Thank you so so much!! Super informative! Exactly! I was planning to buy it just because of the shelf life and the size and weight. But, now I know "it simply doesn't work" . I find it very unfortunate that someone would buy this for a piece of mind, thinking God for bid! They get a fire on a high performance turbocharged or supercharged car and when they actually needed! It simply Fails!! My God that would be Devastating!
IT ALSO STATES NOT RECOMMENDED FOR OUTDOOR LIVE COALS (IE. WOOD CAMPFIRES OR LOGS!!!
Ok. . . so that leaves a small fire extinguisher or a fire blanket for my motorcycle.
Do you have a video showing a regular fire extinguisher?
I will soon
2 kg proper classic powder is perfectly in the car. VERY effective if you know how to use it.
Yeah dude those things are a joke.
Get a 2.5 or a 5 pound dry chem or halon and check it every couple years and you’re good to go!
Are you going to carry a 5 lb bottle on a motorcycle?
I’d worry about windy days and standing close.
At last! Somebody has done a real test on these gimmick extinguishers. The promotional videos make them look super effective but in a real scenario (which you simulated quite well) these things are very ineffective. They can neither cool nor smother a real fire. We put mad money, time and effort into our vehicals then protect them with a cheap gimmick, it makes no sense. Get a proper powder extinguisher with a metal valve and a gauge.
Awesome how you stood there breating in that burning plastic, too!
The wind is blowing away from him bozo
Thank you so much for making this video! Def going in a different direction.
You should just try wire carpet plastic oil gas things found in a vehicle. Every fire extinguisher basically is only good for one type of fire. If a fire get's that big Just let the car burn save your own ass and run!!!
I've said it in a few videos now, and though I'm late to this video, I'll say it again.
Buy a UL or ULC listed extinguisher, for your home or vehicle a 3A:40B:C is safe to use on just about any fire you'd encounter in your home or vehicle, not safe to use around pool chemicals, its easy to use, doesn't require internal maintenance for 6years, and even past that point should work just fine (the internal maintenance is to examine for corrosion)
There are lots of gimmicks on the market, if there were any good at actually extguishing fires, they would have been adopted by the fire protection industry, property tested and listed and would have a listing on them like the one I stated above.
Go to your local hardware or big box store, hit up your local fire protection company and ask them for a 5lb ABC with a 3A:40B:C rating and rest well knowing you'll have a fighting chance against a fire.
For your home you should have one on each level, an extinguisher in the kitchen isn't going to help you escape the upper level of your home if you're awake in the middle of the night by smoke detectors to find the stairs blocked by fire.
Stay safe folks.
My car caught fire in the engine bay yesterday, I had one of these mounted in the car, I also had a second one that I always carry in my rucksack so that it’s always with me regardless of what car I’m in. I put both sticks into the fire one at a time and they did absolutely nothing. I believed the advertising and lost £160 plus my car, which may have been saved had I bought a regular fire extinguisher.
Wow so sorry to hear that. I hope everyone is ok! That’s really not cool I hope insurance will cover the loss. It’s really disgusting that Element sells a product that is completely ineffective and furthermore that it is some that is used only in a very serious situation.
@@theperformancereviewchanne146 Fortunately I was the only one in the car, Lotus 7 type kit car, and got out in time. Car was totally burnt out, no bodywork left at all, just the steel skeleton. Insurance claim has been submitted so we’ll see how that goes. 🤞
Hope everything works out. Was this on the road or a track?@@13Pandam
@@theperformancereviewchanne146 Thanks. It was on the road. I was in traffic doing about twenty five miles an hour.
It was fanning the firs😅
It’s fighting fire with fire, trying to starve the fire of oxygen, problem is there is no cooling or oxygen barrier
You don’t put out a fire by applying co2 to the top of the flames. You apply it as close to the base as possible. In this case you should have aimed the co2 stream at the base of the flames, not at the top of the flames.
You don't have access to the base of the flames in a car fire.
@@imnota You do from below or you pop the hood just enough to put the extinguisher in and allow it to spray onto the flame. But my point was his comparison is stupid because you don’t put out the fire from above like he’s doing., That’s regardless of if you’re using a traditional abc extinguisher or an Element extinguisher.
FWIW, this is standard training for anyone who is taught to put out fires.. Learned it in the USN.
@@ras6488 A traditional ABC extinguisher is a chemical powder one and that works even if you only have access to the top of the flames, because the powder will settle and fall anyways.
@@imnota Not very effectively. There’s a reason for the Acronym PASS.
Did you ever bother reading their website that specifically states it does not work well for coal or wood fires?
What does it say about gasoline fires? 😂
Did you watch the whole video?
Bro you just burned a engine cover off a mk4 supra. Definitely not a celica😅 worth $200+
Lol finally someone noticed.
IT ALSO STATES NOT RECOMMENDED FOR OUTDOOR LIVE COALS (IE. WOOD CAMPFIRES OR LOGS!!!
Bro this is making the fires worse. Lmfao.
Gallon jug of water would have worked way better lol. How can they sell these as fire extinguishers?
Maybe a road flare would work better….
WOW! Thank you for sharing! I guess we are better with a traditional fire extinguisher.
Okay now throw it inside the barrel to the base of the fire, can you do that?
Watch the entire video.
I don’t think I would trust those sticks to blow out a match let alone put out a car fire. What I would do is put those as a stocking stuffer for someone I didn’t like.
Anybody notice his fires are built on top of dead dry leaves within feet of trees?
His tests are good demonstrations though. Not going to buy an element fire extinguisher now.
I will say one advantage is it's probably safer for your lungs. When my car caught on fire I inhaled a shit ton of that fire extinguisher powder
Thank you for saving me time money and disappointment
It just making the fire bigger
Way to burn a bunch of toxic sludge. Neat
Its too bad this product does not work!!! I purchased one of these to protect my residence from small kitchen fires. I guess I will keep my traditional fire extinguisher to be sure. Damn.
I agree, they look useless. And for kitchen fires which are most likely grease fires, a few cents worth of baking soda works wonders. I used baking soda once on a grease fire and it went out instantly...INSTANTLY! Just be sure you don't accidently grab flour though, that wouldn't be good.
Its not for coal fire
Correct!
That engine cover came from either a supra or a Lexus ES300/SC300 from the 90's
Ya a Celica swapped with a 2j haha
No es300 or sc300 came with 2j turbo. Off a supra or aristo
it's not for woodfires
Here is a video of it being used on an actual car fire ruclips.net/video/IdWZmsRwQ94/видео.html
Thanks for doing this. I was considering a purchase.
IT ALSO STATES NOT RECOMMENDED FOR OUTDOOR LIVE COALS (IE. WOOD CAMPFIRES OR LOGS!!!
Literally a nightmare im so glad i watched these videos 10/10 would never purchase
Thanks for your review, this helps big time.
eeerrr what does that do again?? 100bucks stuff
Wow, they want over a hundred bucks a piece for these. What an absolute waste of money. I hope nobody ever needs one of these for an actual emergency.
Don't think you understand the purpose of these fire extinguishers. It's to catch car fires quickly. It is small and convenient and no maintenance. It is not a conventional fire extinguisher so don't treat it like one. Know what your purchasing. This works wonderful if you catch the fire quickly on your vehicle. Toyota tacoma had an electrical fire and it worked great.
That couldn't put out the hair fire on someones ass after lighting a beer fart! More people will be severely burned with these because they thought they had a fire extinguisher and could save their car so they popped the hood and got a face full of flames. Sad indeed!
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Next you'll use water on a grease/ electrical fire and claim water doesn't work for putting out fires LOL why would you test it on the one thing the manufacturer says it's not meant for?
I can see you didn’t read the label🤨🤣
I can see you didn’t watch the end of the video.
Why would I or anyone when they see it’s being done wrong🤨 how bout adding a disclaimer, “I didn’t do this correctly”🤷🏾♂️🤣
Watched a few videos of these, they don’t work at all
Never trust a review that doesn't directly compare extinguishers. would love to see how other water and powder based ones work in encosed bays (where extinguisher has to go through gaps that maybe enclosed.
This was a demo of it on a 'camp fire' - hardly a true review... would like to see it on an old bombed out car instead (which there are some on youtube)
Good Lord! I don't know what's worse, the fact that the fire isn't going out, or the fact that you had to get in so close to use it. Very helpful.
Compare that with this demo of the Firexo (albeit larger model):
ruclips.net/user/shorts1MHjaXmEkvg
Fire goes out in a few seconds.
The only thing I don’t like about that video is there is no solid fuel source. Meaning once the flame is extinguished the fire goes out, Element has a similar video on their page. When you use this on a fire where the fuel is something solid and not gas. For example rubber hosing or plastics. The heat isn’t being removed so it reignites.
Wrong performance review test. Read the instruction first and then use the fire extinguisher as per its design. The manufacturer clearly states that it's not intended for embers or burning ashes. It's a flame inhibitor.
You're not using that correctly. First, unless you drive a barrel, that's not an engine bay. Second, unless you just want to mix smoke with smoke, it's totally ineffective to direct smoke into a smoke stream and have it vented away. You need to spray it at the base of the fire. Which is true with all extinguishers, not just this thing. People using extinguishers always want to spray the chemical at the flames. You need to spray the material that's burning itself. This is especially true with CO2 extinguishers for BC fires.
Take a look at this video for a better how-to:
ruclips.net/video/OGRVGUZ8jj0/видео.html
that thing didn't serve its purpose.
The test would have been more relevant had you also included a 5 lb extinguisher for comparison. I submit that it's easy to configure a test for failure, which is what you did. The campfire test is not particularly relevant since (as many people pointed out) the instructions specifically state that the E50 is NOT the best choice for a burning ember fire. I doubt that a pressurised dry chemical extinguisher would have failed in the same way, with the added problem of spewing burning embers.
The burning barrel test was simply ridiculous. Sure, all those things in the barrel are in the engine bay, but they're not in a bundle, and they also have access points. You simply put a bunch of stuff in a fat chimney with limited access, and you wonder why it didn't work. Notably, you didn't compare against a 5 lb fire extinguisher, I suspect because you knew that it would also be inadequate.
You are correct, I just did another test with a conventional extinguisher and just posted it. There is also a side by side comparing both. Check that out really shows the flaws of the Element.
Watching it now I'm not buying 1
I don't have a car. So no.
Dope.
yeah I *WONT* be buying one of these, I don't even know how / if they got any certification with that performance.
Use powder n foam fire estinguisher😊
dont use CO2 fire estinguisher😅
What a dangerous product! This needs to be reported to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. The company is actually marketing it to fight car fires. It's obvious that tiny thing couldn't smother a Bic lighter much less an engine bay at full boil.
Fortunately the US Military and dozens of other Police and Special Forces groups think otherwise after carrying out their own testing. Element has been essential gear for them for over a decade and credited for the saving of countless lives. The fires in this video are primarily live coal fires that are specifically mentioned as being not rated for this product. Lots of great success stories out there where Element saved someone's car or home.
I mean had he read the directions and used it properly before intentionally misrepresenting how effective your product actually is.....
He's playing with literal fire here, and defamation shouldnt be taken lightly, especially like this type. It is completely disingenuous and it's misinformation and with social media it has the potential to spread like wildfire, which puts peoples lives in jeopardy unnecessarily and is super distructive.
@@ElementFire Literally half the video is a gasoline fire, plus yall honestly don't even have the balls to make an actual comment, you only reply to other comments instead of taking action.
@@ElementFirehow were those coal fires?
Seriously learn how to use a fire extinguisher before pretending to review them.
This is typical bro science. Where is the comparison with an alternative fire extinguisher? Kinda useless tbh
Just posted it, there is a full length with an extinguisher from H3R and a side by side short showing both.
Any fire extinguisher is aimed at the base of the fire, NOT the flames. Ridiculous video.
Nope
A squirter bottle of water won't work either...water is useless against fire
you cant fight fire with fire
100% USELESS.