Wine Cap Mushroom Propagation with Pete!
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- www.silvertreeforest.com/prod... - Direct link to get Wine Cap spawn from our friends Erin and Pete. YES, they do ship!
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I have been spreading these all over my property, and now after 5 years of doing this, have more mushrooms than I can deal with. It's literally as simple as this. I even pull back heavy mycelium mats and take that and spread it to new areas. It's so dirt easy. So ONE bag, and I have ACRES of these now.
As far as these being best in walkways, I would say they are best in the beds. It's better for harvest in walkways, but their real benefit is soil creation. They are most valuable near your trees, because they will turn the woodchips back into nutrient and soil faster for trees. So put these literally everywhere.
In my opinion, these are the best mushroom choice for a food forest, because they grow on woodchips and not logs, and also, they grow on ANY woodchip, cedar, pine, maple, oak, anything. No need to drill holes in oak logs and plug, no need to do maintenance. Just pull back chips, drop mycelium or sawdust spawn, and you are done.
You are all really lucky that Silvertreeforest does this. It took me a year to find a source in Canada, and they went under during Covid.
Awesome notes here, thank you thank you!
Dude! The BC Eco Seed Coop is selling the spawn in BC Canada here now! I am going to be innoculating my fledgling food forest here soon, glad to hear of your success! I hope to replicate them. Also thanks for the tip about the woodchips, I was wondering if our pile of wood chips would work, now I know!
Wow! This is the first How To on mushroom growing that is done in a way that I can do it. No logs, no infrastructure, no special tools. Thank you, Pete! I am definitely checking out your website. Thank you, Sean and Sasha for bringing wonderful businesses to your viewers attention.
One of the great things with winecap is that it will eat e. coli and so you can place them downslope of animal housing, or other places where manure may build up to reduce bacteria load in the runoff.
That’s so useful !
What was not mentioned in this video is that wood chips that have been around for a while will work less efficiently than wood chips that are 1-2 months fresh. As time goes on and the wood chips are exposed to environment, other fungal spores will germinate in them and compete for substrate.
I was told fresh woodchips do better than old ones but my two careful attempts at growing wine-cap mushrooms on fresh woodchips were total failures. My next attempt will be on existing woodchips just like what was shown in this video and others I have seen since.
This is what I’m finding even with new Woodchip, the brittle stems just get in there and take over so much quicker than the wine caps.
Dam it Shawn I thought I was done ordering for the year.... time to hit up silver tree for some mushroom spawn.
Do it for the bees. An interesting bit of information I ran across recently is bees eat mycelium and it protects them against glyphosate poisoning. I suspect it would be beneficial for humans in this aspect. But if anything, grow it for the bees.
Thanks for sharing this tip for the bees!
Wow. Interesting
@@TheEmbrio I read this in the Idle Beekeeper book by Bill Anderson. It was quite an interesting read.
@@waykeeperfarmandnerdery Bill Anderson wrote of this in the Idle Beekeeper book. It was a fascinating read.
Wonderful demonstration. I have been growing Winecaps for several years over the course of a few moves. This mycelium looks beautifully active. I would encourage anyone considering growing Winecaps to look into purchasing this product.
Started some in Dec in my home but placed well developed mycelium in my garden about a month ago I’m so excited ❤
They have some really super healthy spawn to be sure
You sourced coffee bags for the burlap (one sisal among them). I had to smile because I recently worke in a huge coffee warehouse in the Port of Hamburg and couldn't help but recognize those coffee bags (Brazil, Guatemala). I handled those exact printed bags full of 70Kg raw coffee beans. The numbers are called ICO numbers and thes code the country of origin among other things. Cheers from River Elbe, Germany...
What an incredibly huge and yet small world!
Great video. For all that I have learned about growing food, I've had this mental barrier about mushrooms being some sort of high overhead/nuanced thing to get in to. This 10 minute video has changed my perspective, and for that I am thankful.
Other mushrooms that grow effortlessly on wood chips are Pleurotus Ostreatus (Oyster Mushroom) and Cyclocybe Aegerita (Poplar Mushroom). I recommend all of them :)
Yay! Thank you. Another thing to explore. Brilliant.
Good luck!
I help at an organic mushroom farm in Gasport, NY and this is great to see!
Great video. I already have a dedicated mushroom bed in wood chip and I am about to inoculate the leaves in my shade garden and see how that goes. 🙂
Winecaps really are the best for wildcard woodchips. I’m also using it to wall of some inedible mushrooms that started on my oldest chips.
Wow. No sterilized knives, scales, pressure canners. Now that's my way of doing things.
If you are on the edge about growing these mushrooms, do it. They are so easy to manage and keep going for years after first inoculation. They dry easily for storage if you get an overwhelming flush. Be prepared to deal with slugs, in advance. They will eat them as they appear.
Squirrels eat the mushrooms in my yard, too.
Got my spawn from Pete and inoculating this week… these are great tips thanks!
Awesome, happy growing!
I tried to grow some last year after this video I may give it another try
Check the areas you started it at you might possibly still get some mushrooms
I was going to say the same, feed those spots some fresh woodchips, but of course you can buy more spawn to be sure
Good stuff! I like the layered burlap technique Pete demonstrated. Cheers!
Mind. Blown. Thank you all!
Happy to share!
www.silvertreeforest.com/products/wine-cap-mushroom-spawn - We'd be thrilled to know they were able to find homes for their over abundance of Wine Cap mushroom spawn. As you see in the video, setting walkways into delicious mushroom production is incredibly easy. Inoculating things like burlap and cardboard allow you to 'stretch' the spawn even further, making mycelial lenses so to speak that can then be applied to larger spaces, covered deeply in woodchips, etc., and expand their growth.
These delicious, easy to grow, perennial mushrooms are an incredibly wonderful beginner mushroom for folks to explore growing in their landscape, we hope the great quality spawn Pete makes here helps folks get started with it!
I just ordered a couple bundles from them!
Fun fact: every deep breath you take has at least 10 mushroom spores!!! They are such a magnificent organism. Also the trees use mushroom spores to speak to each other under ground!!!
Trees use the micelium not the spores. But yeah, so neat !
@TheEmbrio yes you are correct. Thank you for correcting my mistake. They are amazing.
Will make sure the dogs are standing right there when I put plugs in logs. :)
Dogs sniffing around and knocking stuff over is not required for inoculation but is very 'helpful' :)
As far as I understand it regarding "fruiting" (ie mushrooms), it's a biological response from the mycelium when it detects it may be running out of food at its current growing location (so it sporulates so it can be carried to a new location). If you put it into a huge pile of moist woodchips, it may not spawn for a while (as the mycelium grows through the huge food supply). If you put it into a location with modest food sources, it will fruit sooner, but won't give as many mushrooms.
Many small spots is what i’m thinking with your info, right ?
So loved this !!!
Will be buying some spawn from them when they are back in stock! We vacationed in Durango, Colorado, USA, in January and we always take a natural souvenir home from wherever we visit. Just outside the Air BNB there was a deciduous tree that had fallen and a part of the trunk had snapped off and was next to the property. We decided to take it home with us as our souvenir. It’s about 8” in diameter and 14” long. Have been holding on to it for a mushroom inoculation with plug spawn and will be doing it soon. We also have our garden full of wood chips and we have wanted to have mushrooms grow along the paths and edges. Wine Cap Mushrooms seem to be the ones we are destined to grow thanks to this video. Happy Earth Day, all!
Happy mushroom growing!
Thank you Pete and Sean! This is amazing.
Thank you for getting mushrooms back on things to grow and the co bonus.
Wonderful! On my list of things to grow and add to my systems, thanks for the knowledge Pete! Bookmarked the site for future use,
Perfect timing!
we ordered some winecap mushrooms and i plan to spead it in the garden as suggested.
Ordered two, thanks!
That was very informative, thanks guys.
Great video ❤
Excellent. I tried to use your shipping material that had grown some wine caps, for inoculating the area in and around my composting area without success. I think I'll give Silver Tree's product a go. .... 10 minutes later, done! As usual, thanks for sharing this resource.
OMG, I'm going to do this!
Thank you for sharing this! I ordered some mushrooms from silvertree and planted it today in southern Virginia. First time growing mushrooms 🙏🏻🤞🏻
I hope they do great for you!
Just inoculated my first wine cap bed today. Hoping they turn out good 🙏
They are hardy and rewarding, I hope it is a joy for ya!
wonderful
Exciting! As soon as I get wood chips, I'm going to grow wine caps!
Seems worth exploring, it is SUCH a simple way to start
Thanks for solving a minor dilemma. Reclaiming some lawn that's just sitting with woodchips. Now it can make food.
Just ordered!
So great, hope you have amazing results... The spawn they generate is really incredibly high quality, I trust you'll be happy with it
Mine should be here any day from them. I just made beds and did some guerilla incolulation with spawn from a different supplier. This will help diversify genetics
Very cool!
I got wild mushrooms coming up on their own in the bed I made from bunny litter. I doubt they're edible (I'm not about to find out), but it's so exciting to see my mulch get broken down and the dirt get healthier looking (read: brown, and for me, less clay compaction).
identification is not that hard. Certainly easier these days with help on mushroom forums.
It's been a goal of mine to get into mushrooms one day.
If my memory is close to correct I believe that Shawn had that done around 10 Years ago also or about that time I think... Cheers
This might be great for my asparagus bed!
Based on a failed attempt during a drought year a few years ago, I'd recommend putting at least one patch close to where you know you'll be watering frequently. That way you can make sure to keep the wine cap patch moist. Just got my spawn from Pete a few days ago, so hoping I have success this year.
His shade recommendation would helps you too. Or put them around plants that you’ll water perhaps. Good luck
Good note... When in doubt it wouldn't hurt to offer deeper mulch over the patches as well
I like the idea of doing this in walkways. One question: does Pete (or anyone in the audience) have any data or anecdotal experience concerning long term degradation of raised bed materials? I could see black locust surviving quite a while, but other species would surely be colonized eventually no? Just curious.
Great question, hoping other folks can share notes too... I personally have never seen wine cap hop into black locust bed wood... It would be an interesting design to build beds out of slabwood maple, oak, etc, AND inoculate them so that after 4-5 years or so they break down and can be eaten!
I have turkey tail on the sides of my oak beam beds. 3 years, were linseed oiled. No degradation so far even with the mushrooms. I know they can’t last forever, especially if i do all i can to bring in life ;)
I started a new bed of winecap in a pallet collar a couple of years ago. Last fall I moved it and the mycelia had colonized the pallet collar wood and it was already crumbling. Probably pine wood I think. I reused the pallet collar in another area and will be interested this spring to see if it's still alive there.
i am growing wine cup mushrooms this year. i am very excited about them coming up soon! i think by autumn?
Not unreasonable to inoculate in the spring and have a nice flush in the fall if the stars align :)
It would be best to clear the wood chips off the bottom of the solar panels in the video. Unless you have bypass diodes, they will act like a kink in a hose and limit the production of the entire array down to the output of the partially covered cell.
Yes lifting them up on bricks or the likes would make a little but tangible difference.
Just tried to order some. It appears my only option was to pick up at their nursery, which is probably a 24 hour drive. Perhaps it's too difficult to ship to flyover country this time of year? It's unfortunate, but I do really appreciate the information shared in this video.
There are probably other mushroom farms that do mail shipping or closer to you. Good luck
Can you do this with any commercial sawdust that is inoculated with mushroom spores?
Not all mushrooms can ’outcompete’ wild mushrooms or can live in woodchips. Look it up or make your own trials ;)
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Placed an order my wood chips are waiting
Could you inoculate along the edge of an asparagus bed that has been mulched with wood chips ??
That seems really reasonable, certainly worth trying
Could you use old stems from Jerusalem artichoke plants?
I have heard you can not use woodchips from conifer family (or as little as possible) due to them being anti fungal, etc. Is that correct? We have mostly conifer woodchips available :(
This is correct for most mushrooms including this one
@@MalinaImport Thanks for confirming. I have to search to see if I can find hardwood chips. I wish they mentioned what kind of wood is in the bags.
If you inoculate it strongly and add sawdust, straw, carbdboard, you can probably make them live with some conifer chips
Would oak leaves be a good mulch for them once established?
Sounds like a lovely cover
Will winecap spawn still be viable if I bought it last year and never got around to "planting" it? The bag was kept in the fridge the entire time.
I'm going to try it anyway, but I think I'll go ahead and get more to be sure.
If it’s still white, ompact and not complete mush i’d be hopeful.
@@TheEmbrio that makes sense. I'm going to try it ,because why not? But I'm also going to get some more, because... why not? 🙃
How are the wine caps doing? Have they started producing? Ours have been fruiting, but it's been so difficult to find more woodchips. I've asked some many people and posted in so many groups.
I think we got some jumping worms in our inoculated areas and it interrupted the process... Can't be sure but that seems to be whats happened potentially
@@edibleacres oh no, I hope they do start fruiting after all.
I am preparing to make my first wine cap spawn bags. I have never made them and can't find much information on what to put in the bag. Is it just hardwood sawdust in the bag or is it sawdust and some nutrient ( like wheat bran)? Thank you!
I'm not sure on that one sorry
How would they do in a high, dry climate like the Denver area?
Would be tough but doable... Find a very shaded microclimate that still gets rain and follow instructions here but with deeper wood chip mulch on top to secure moisture... Thats my 2c at least
How would they do in a hosta bed?
Interesting idea, seems like a good climate for them
Sadly the Mushroom man's website landing page has ZERO navigation. Would like to know if he can ship FEDx so I can place an order
Could you use died leaves?
If it works with cardboard, I imagine it'd work with dried leaves. I've never done that, so I can't speak to it outside conjecture.
My big concern, which in many use cases won't be an issue, is contamination of the leaves vs other material you might use. Other spores will have had the entire year to collect on the surface of those leaves. This means there's a higher chance of competing fungi which could outcompete your desired mushrooms or make harvest more difficult.
If you just want a ton of mushrooms of any kind, perhaps for this reason leaves are a good medium, or even additive to woochips/cardboard.
I was gifted some oyster mushroom blocks. Would this method work for oyster mushrooms?
Possibly but I believe they have a bit of a different protocol overall...
Yes. As long as it's not conifer and one-two month old chips preferrably
I've never done it, but I think oysters are a little more work and that winecaps are more noob friendly in an outdoor garden.
Oysters, as I have read, are better in a tub indoors because they struggle more against nature than winecaps.
So oysters if you do it in a basement or apartment.
Winecaps if you want to keep them for years in an area.
Are these mushrooms for eating?
You absolutely should do your own research but our experience is that Wine Cap mushrooms are amazing for eating. Like a portabella but free, from your yard, and incredibly abundant!
DO they have to be in the shade?
They need cool moist conditions to thrive, but shade can be cast by a dense bed of kale just as easily as by an oak tree!
@@edibleacres what about the competing fungi that may lurk in your woodchips?
No, winecap are heliotropes but sun exposure will turn the caps a whitish creamy colour, if in shade like Sean mentions they will retain that beautiful red wine coloured cap and be more desirable for harvest nd eating.. hope this helps.
Are these magic mushrooms?
They are magical but not what you think...
but...I don't have a cute dog...
For some years this is something we've wanted to do. I think this is the year!
Thanks you Pete and Shawn.
EDIT: Just made an order. Looking forward to spreading winecaps throughout our gardens and food forest.