2 new chips to challenge Apple!
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:20 The Brief
1:36 Release Monitor
3:10 Snapdragon X Plus x2
5:00 VR revival
7:19 TikTok ban
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The performance on Qualcomm is only on Qualcomm optimized software. So the sub 50% makes sense
@TheFridayCheckout
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I love how Moondrop is honest in it's promotional materials. They literally wrote "it's not good but it works" for their camera setup lol
Wow. That’s crazy😂😂
They could say the same about audio-jack placement as well.
God damn it. After years of watching I just noticed this channel has only 170k subscribers. I thought it was one of major tech channels worldwide, given the quality and other stuff, strange feeling.
The main channel TechAltar isn't at 1M subscribers yet either. It is surprising for me as well.
Then we have to engage by liking videos and comments. Roger that.
because people watch mkbhd, tthe guy doesnt even know that a battery capacity is measured in w/h not mAh😂😂
the quality is top notch, after watching his first video, I fell in love with the channel
the launch of the AI Pin helped make Rabbit look like a good product
Rabbit is just a one-time $200 app or $10-20 per month subscription service on an app sold as hardware right now.
That miad01 phones is honestly very attractive for me. If you didn't know, DAPs are regularly priced way higher than the listed price for miad01. They can go fo 500usd-2000usd easily. The miad01 seems to be be aroung 350-400usd. I have no doubt most people are going to be buying this and using it as a dedicated digital audio player with a sim.
FYI, the Rabbit R1 source code was leaked. It does appear to be mostly just standard web automation/scraping tools, which has some folks on HN pissed off
HN?
@@DryPaperHammerBroHacker News, I assume
Those people at HN, get pissed at anything they don't like. Assuming you mean hacker news
@@xrafter Nice to see a fellow Arch user in the wild!
@@tablettablete186 i thought humane but i guess that makes more sense
In a gold rush the guy selling shovels is the real winner
"The clock is ticking... and tocking" come on.. 😂
boooooooo
yeah bro should've left that in the drafts lmao, that was really bad
I laughed
Moondrop is the Nr.1 for in ear monitors (price to performance imo), and yes those audio terms mean something. It's insane they put that in a phone.
What’s moondrop ?
@@alexdenton6586 a hifi audio company. Right now they're popular for their in-ear monitors
@@alexdenton6586 I think it's the company name
@@alexdenton6586innovative audio brand
Currently waiting for their new planar magnetic tws due to come out in a few days
@@alexdenton6586 They're a headphone manufacturer for "audiophiles" who really care about audio
I am excited for the Qualcomm X Elite/Plus chips, because I hope Linux can run on them, too. We already have support for ARM, we just need hardware that's worth the time to package the apps for the architecture.
My feelings exactly.
Linux only problem is to compete with the software that isn't available on Linux.
Desktop linux distro arm builds tend to target raspberry pi, other SBCs, and some chromebooks (and eventually arm macs thanks to Asahi linux). I just hope qualcomm integrates the drivers into the kernel or provides them, and windows on arm laptops have a standard uefi to make it easy to install other OSes. Otherwise there's gonna be a lot of hacky jailbreaking involved and reverse engineering.
@@thelakeman2538 Well, at least part of the instruction set should be standard, so it shouldn't be completely unusable by default. Also, if I remember correctly, they recently showcased the Plus chip on a Linux laptop in their headquarters, so this means it should be able to run on Linux. Only time will tell. But I am confident that if the Linux community was able to create runnable drivers for the proprietary Apple hardware, it will be able to make Linux run on the X chip.
@@noimnotakpoppfpsheacy2526. Why do you. Wes software, when you can have 5 million Linux versions in slightly different flavours?
4.4 is also an Audio Jack and balanced compared to the 3.5 Audio Jack which is single enede
I love this series... something to look forward to every Friday
these snapdragon graphs look awefully familiar ...
Hahahah I hate how the idiotic apple graphs have become a standard now
@prospersikhwari5289 their names really süćķ àśś. "Pro" "Pro Max" but I get that they work
@@prospersikhwari5289 at least now they put numbers onto the lines but yeah whoever made it made it in a non-standard way
Which is funny, because he dismisses the article calling them out. But if you actually read the article, you’ll see that it’s mostly about Qualcomm being dodgy and vague and not having straightforward answers, solid numbers within context and allowing benchmarks from outside parties etc. Then it goes into sources to show what they’ve been lying about.
that independent audio cirquit is proably a dedicated DAC that is independent from whatever that midrange SOC has.
its probably powering both of the headphone jacks. for 3.5mm you could use the SOC DAC maybe but with that 4.4 mm output you would definetly hear the distortion that SOC DAC causes.
Even I'm hearing some hiss on my laptops dac via my Kiwi Ears Quintet.
Cautiously optimistic is the right way to say it. I have no doubt that Qualcomm will knock it out of the park when it comes to these ARM based CPUs. The two things I'm concerned about though are price and compatibility. For me for instance, I strongly need Ableton Live to have a Windows For Arm version before I could make the switch because I use my laptop to run backing tracks.
Well, since there are even "official" videos from their own event where they show you the battery time compared to x86 laptops (they not even dare to compare their result with Apple here..), and the 40% extra battery time in Office 365 is not really what we expect.. really just 40%? Than it's still just barely reach the 10h usage in simple tasks like word and excel..?
Apple has been kicking their ass since back when, they wont make a dent. You PC cucks will have to wait till AMD enters the fray or Nvidia. Then we can finally move on feon archaic ancient x86 + windows and move to ARM + Linux ❤
We will have to see with Qualcomm, they have over promised in the past... and per P core, comparing 12 cores to an M3 that only has 4 P cores isn't a great sign for multi-threaded performance. The biggest barrier is Windows and apps working well on it.
Also not a good sign if they also release a new cheaper model.. so it had problem to compete the Basic Macbook Air price already, and they need a cheeper chip too..?
Always great watching and listening to your weekly summaries of the rapidly moving Tech industry. Even though I've read about many of them, I still get another tech enthusiast's good and sometimes funny perspectives on them 😄 Think I'll subscribe to a year of Nebula just for you, even though I'd still be coming only on RUclips...
i am not using anything made by suzkerberg with a 10 mile pole - let alone something I put on my face
BOI! has the sequence of the stories starting to flow like a piece of art!
First time I’ve seen this channel, but I really enjoy your style. Easy sub.
Fun trivia: Horizon OS is based on android
that moondrop phone sounds so cool, literally what i was looking for when i bought my current motorola.
Framework Phone + GrapheneOS operating system would be AWSOME
A man can dream 😍💭
even better framework phone + linux mobile
Great video as always
Microsoft might have another Surface Pro X if the Qualcomm rumours are true, which I suspect they are as the reporter is reputable. They'll have to work hard to rectify the issues but they do seem to be software related. They only have a year or so before AMD and Intel take their opportunity before they even got going.
Bit funny the Horizon is based on Android so it is 2 Android VR OS’s competing, lol.
Finally electric Benz truck, I’m so excited. 😍😍😍
I think this is the first incogni ad segment that tells which country it is currently available in 😳kudos to that
It wouldn't surprise me if Google drops the project in a couple of years 😂.
It's so bizarre that having headphone jack is a feature now, and I'm already considering buying it because most of other companies have removed it.
It would be quite a shot in the foot for a company which makes headphones to not have a headphone jack in their phone.
I’m of two minds on it. On one hand it does suck we don’t have it as standard anymore. On the other hand, most phone DACs suck or are just competent and for under 50 or even under 20 dollars you can get much better audio quality than what your phone is putting out.
Also applying same logic - how do we know that incogni doesn't keep that data and just resell it??? Dilemma...
Seems like the glory days of Apple M chip is over😁
The M chips of Apple are not successfull because of the hardware, but because of the tight integration of the hardware AND software.
Snapdragon's chips are nothing as long as Microsoft is not able to make x86/x64 emulation run smoothly on the ARM version of Windows - as there won't be much ARM software in the beginning.
I want windows/linux laptops with arm mediatek/exynos/kirin/rockchip SOC. This would mean more competition.
if they are comparing their top of the line chips with fanless base level m3 then I expect the pricing to the comparable too. Hopfully they don't shock us with m3 max level of pricing
2:13 omg 👀😍🔥
The Friday checkout is Highly interesting and informative!
I hope more people subscribe
Idk why but it just worries me Qualcomm overtime has tried to hype up SD X, when news around them settles, they reveal bits of pieces of information to stay relevant with deliberately cherry picked benchmarks, flying over influencers etc. And while they have announced OEM partners, are still using reference designs. I'd love to be proven wrong and everything I've written will just end up with me with egg on my face. We just have to wait for IIRC a Microsoft event around mid May and "mid-2024" for actual product release when people can get their hands on it.
The truth of the matter is that a computer's _snappiness_ is dictated by the fastest single core speed of the processor since most normal tasks can't be multithreaded - unless you deal with heavily multithreaded tasks like video editing, transcoding, or graphics rendering more than four cores or so simply means you have a lot of idle cores soaking up energy.
IOW, for most consumer workloads having 12 cores means you're probably going to be spending the vast majority of your time with at least 8 idle cores.
If you want to test the snappiness of a computer, use a benchmark like Speedometer to see how the average consumer's experience will fare.
MOONDROP PHONE, THAT MAKES ME SUPER INTERESTED
HMD making the most unexciting products imaginable.
I'd buy the moondrop phone over any hmd phone period
7:33 USA Hypocrisy so called FreeDome, and free market
Hmm I feel like your news used to have all stuff that I didn't hear about yet but this time I heard every story already..
whoa what, chipmakers do this whole same chip different clockspeed thing bc of varying quality? that's so interesting and cool to know!
I think these chips will make their way into smartphones for sure what do you think @The Friday Checkout
Windows betrayed me 😭
It is kinda of insane seeing how a company that only powered phone processors is now making chips to for computer processors
3:07 had me laughing 😂😂
Bytedance could easily force bullshit onto the government if they called them for banning TikTok, but not Riot Games's games, or the Epic Games Store and/or Unreal Engine, as both have communications features and have Tencent as owner or really significant shareholder (40% of Epic is owned by Tencent).
Happy Friday everyone! 🍺😸
Is horizon os really "open"? I mean they are more like windows on PCs rather than android for phones. You can create third party device with it but it is not open source (or am I wrong?)
HMD better do it right this time. I still remember when the 1st ever Redmi Note series came out, it was a huge hit, so popular Xiaomi released the 2nd gen Redmi Note with Helio X10 chip with a very affordable price tag. If HMD cannot replicate the Redmi Note success, I don't know what else can HMD do to succeed.
VR is an incredible technology that already showed its strengths in many games over the years.
But Playstation Home in VR or the ultimate productivity workstation just isn't in it.
VR is dead on arrival, it needs to just be glasses and the processing needs to be on the console or PC itself
Geez that's a big cliff that Meta fell off. Wow.
Qualcomm’s claims and graph at 3:46 are for more performance AT THE SAME POWER. So they are more likely to use less power rather than have greater peak performance.
that's the priority of ARM SoCs
The USA congress is crazy - how can they ban TikTok.
5:56 I think that from now on, you should fix any mistakes like this by using YTP-style sentence mixing to put words in the right order
looks like you can't expect AI to reliably come up with breakthroughs
So ipad doesn't use oled..all this time?
I want the snapdragons to be put into a gaming hand held
Why are not you covering the Facebook ban in China?
VR will become profitable as soon as the killer app (text to geometry/characters holodeck kinda experience) becomes viable. Which should take another.. 6 months?
Interesting news regarding Framework. I wonder if they aren't spreading themselves too thin with new products as there are still rough corners in the laptops here and there.
i have a feeling the EQG is going to be a barnstormer…even if the environmental side is well, small
Snapdragon X (formerly Twitter)
4.4 mm balanced interface is just another headphone jack.
but its power output is 2 times more than an unalanced (3.5mm) headphone jack. it can easily drive a low sensitivity Planar Magnetic headphone.
Snapdragon X Elite 🚀 🚀 🚀
oh god i need that moondrop phone hope the west can get it with no issues
I find it odd that moondrop made it a phone. To me it would have made much more sense for it to be an android powered audio player without the cameras. Plus no access to the playstore means a lot lf the benefits granted by being a full android device are gone.
We Just need to see the devs switching to this. Would be really cool to see games being optimized and seeing Geforce cards with these cpus. In gaming laptops.
The time is tiking and toking... 😅😂
I think if you had put huawei anywhere in the title, your video would have covered a while group of curious people as well.
Snapdragon X Plus ❤❤❤
I’m not too worried about the chips, I’m worried about Microsoft…
@3:39 - qualcomms fastest chip is 28% faster than the entry model M3 … seriously? Thats all they got? That makes me kind of sad, i had hoped for serious competition. But factoring in that the graphs most likely picture a best case scenario and that windows will take some of that performance away compared to apples excellent translation to arm it seems to still take some years for them to catch up :(
Firstly, the snapdragon was developed earlier and was targeted at the M1 actually. But due to lawsuits from ARM it has delayed so long that Apple released two generations already.
But interestingly enough it still competes with M3.
Secondly, it's proven that Microsoft's arm translation from x86 is faster compared to Apple's
@@delosei7332 didnt know that lawsuit story. interesting to know but doesnt really change anything. just a sad for qualcomm.
i am not excited about windows at all, heck i dont use it
but let me tell you am excited to have an ARM laptop that has high performance with an integrated gpu + nvidia so that the battery actually lasts!
The only way Windows for ARM will ever be good is when Microsoft ends their exclusivity deal with Qualcomm.
So this is Nuvia's Oryon chip?
No, it's still just the rumors about that chip, they still didn't even showed us any real product with that. They should hurry, if Apple pull the same trick like they did, it will be worse for them.. (i mean if Apple also announce the M4 on WWCD with benchmarks, and say the same as Qualcomm, you can buy this chip about 6 months later..)
Will Intel adopt ARM in the future ?
probably not
I thought that the X Elite 12 cores is all performance cores? Turns out its 4x efficiency and 8x performance?
I don't think that slide is correct. Many sources have claimed before that the X Elite features 12 identical cores.
@@Workaholic42why would you have 12 identical cores when the ARM big.LITTLE co-architecture exists on almost any ARM SoC
@@niveZz- there is an interesting article about this question on XDA developers. In a nutshell, they assume that Qualcomm just doesn't have a suitable "little" variant of Oryon yet. So big.LITTLE seems like something they'll do in the second generation of X Elite/Plus.
Just noticed a RUclips video on PCWorld from 2 days ago where a Qualcomm employee confirms again that Snapdragon X is not using big.LITTLE.
It looks like the AI part is going to save Meta, while the VR part is going to be such a huge loss for them. Interesting strategy.
Windows on ARM is sooo promising while Windows 11 is becoming more and more an ad haven.
Microsoft is trying Windows for ARM again? It was a massive failure when they tried it with Windows 8 RT. It didn't run most of the software people ran on Windows. When they tried it again with Windows 10 they added the ability to run x86 applications through virtualization but the performance wasn't necessary as good as running on native x86 hardware and doesn't offer any real benefit over x86 based Windows computers.
No return on investment for two years and the stock market freaks out. 😂
Ugh, Qualcomm is setting the stage for a terrible ARM experience with such a large fragmentation in the stack before they even launch. They should make a few chips at most like Apple does if they're serious about making ARM a thing for PC.
not like qualcomm has been making ARM SoCs for laptops since years
this is just the first nuvia product
"gold sinking" - you have to drop lots of gold to buy this thing :)
At least in Western countries you can argue your case, not in China - lol -.
SNAPDRAGON X Elite ❤️❤️
Kudos for the awesome pronunciation of the word “Mercedes”
The review unit etc should be in a bottom strip for a better UI design
8:01 Google just didn't want to build data centers in China as gov demanded it the same way EU did, Facebook, Insta, Meta etc did not want to store user's data in China, Telegram(best social media app) does not show any sign of cooperation with chinese gov, unlike europeans ones, so does not work in China too, Twitter declined localization of user data too, so it does not work. LinkedIn just did the thing - rented chinese data centers and stores user data in China and it does work there. Chinese government did not ban there social medias, but demanded them to work according to the law and those who did not want to abide by it, are not accessible in China(but VPN still works and nobody bans VPN protocols, like Russia recently did)
Good 👍 One. AU Will Surely A Couple of Year ❤ ❤
How to trust Meta with your virtual personality and you virtual activities.
They have a bad history of leaking, using, banning and spying on their costumers.
There seems to be something fishy going on with how Qualcomm is presenting the performance of their new chips. Don't get me wrong, it's good that their bringing more competition by releasing this chip. However, if you pay close attention to the numbers they had presented when they first announced this chip compared to what they have presented recently, it begs the question if they are being candid? Qualcomm had shown the X elite to score over 3,200 points in Geekbench 6 single core test when they announced it, and now their showing around 2,800 points in their latest charts. Why did it decrease? Was the 3,200 used just to show how they beat Apple M2 and Intel in that respect?
Also, they keep talking about how their 12 performance cores CPU beats M3-which has 4 perf and 4 efficiency cores-in multi threaded benchmark. Like, really? M3? They don't even show the single core performance when doing the comparisons -which is the most important metric when using thin and light notebooks since most of the tasks involve single threaded workloads. They also omit the power consumption difference as well- again, very essential.
Look, like I said, it's good for competition to have their chips in PCs and I applaud them for what they bring to the table. But they have to come clean.
They're not. The benchmarks are sort of tweaked to favor them, like testing against Ryzen 7xxx instead of 8xxx chips with NPU, Geekbench favors memory bandwidth over performance and a lot of manufacturers which are interested in having devices with the Qualcomm SKU have been claiming to not be sure they can deliver what Qualcomm is showing with their prototype units and the performance of those chips might be closer to a Celeron than what Qualcomm is advertising.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino Yes, I have also seen those reports, and it worries me. I just think that after they hyped this chip with their claims, only to come out and people will discover that it's not as performant as they claimed, it may paint a bad picture even if the chip is impressive on itself.
@@wisdomyaw03 Considering Qualcomm claimed their first attempt wasn't successful because Intel threatened to go after them because of their x86 emulation, I am not so sure this one will perform any better. ARM based servers also haven't taken off as well.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino Only a matter of time, and we'll see what they bring to the table
That's for the update bro, tiktok story getting boring asf though
There is already one test that says Snap X Elite consumes 98 watts in peak, lol. It's either a crazy OC or Qualcomm has achieved 4.3 GHz on 4 nm(so called 5 nm+++) by increasing voltage
10:47 The only important thing there IMO is that they offer a balanced audio connection, which is important if you want your audio free of noise and interference, which is very common across headphone wire and drivers. The DAC stuff....Snake Oil.
Investors being afraid of reality is funny
like put just the relevant tag, no need to list everything that is not even a check
The country that bans Facebook, Twitter, RUclips, and all foreign news channels you can imagine, not to forget doesn't let its own populous see anything like the kind of TikTok content seen internationally, has nothing to complain about when other countries ban its own platforms.