what AMD is doing is testing how to get GPU LIMITED they aren't testing the CPU's at all there, if they did they would use a 4090 to avoid as much GPU bottleneck as possible... but they all do such shady stuff... always go to independant reviewers... Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed for me, for good trustworthy reviews.
7:08 - To be fair, someone who started with a 12400f, and wanted an upgrade might look at the 13700k....and already have DDR4. Or they can get a Cheap B350 on EBAY and toss in a 5900XT for about the same performance as just a CPU upgrade, and you keep the RAM. Tho, if you're going to switch platforms, why not go AM5? 5900XT makes more sense for someone who has a 3900x or 3950x, and wants more gaming performance, so it's a simple upgrade. Surprised by the low-clocks tho, my 5900x hits 4.9Ghz pretty consistently with PBO. Maybe these XT's will be good for 5.0 or 5.1Ghz? I don't think the gaming performance on these are going to touch any of the x3D chips tho....
Just a suggestion, but maybe put links to Hardware Unboxed and Daniel Owen's videos in the Description box for this video (since you had them displayed in the video itself). Gives proper credit to them guys as well. Great video Brent. I'm enjoying the ones you've put out of late.
@@TheMusicHeals.kjhjhhg Whatever.... AMD is always putting out misleading and accurate info - sketchy presentations and bs. Look at their ads on YT - they actually have an ad presenting their hardward for 'content creators!' LOL! Their processors are 'okay' - but, they are just trying to milk what is left of the previous architecture Zen 3/AM4....
I get the uncertainty when it comes to the 5900XT result, but with the 5800XT performance at least when you then have it performing better than the 13600KF, you can't really claim that the GPU is bottlenecking results. Because if the GPU was bottlenecking the results, then the 5800XT wouldn't be seeing any performance advantages.
Do you think it might be a good upgrade to go from the 3800x to the 5800xt? especially to avoid the large expense of money involved in switching to am5
I think they were going for by using the same ram and a rx6600 is to show a decrease in frame time due to cpu processing power. if gpu is maxed to 100% usage most of the time then the only thing that can increase FPS is data transfer rate via pcie lanes and cpu scheduling. The slides say "all results are 'up to' see ......" which maybe implies the highest fps recorded not average fps. It is unclear though on exactly what they were trying to show and is pretty ambiguous on the wording.
They really should have just took Intel out of the equation and shown the difference between other am4 chips It would have shown the improvements and tbh most if not all people interested in these chips would be am4 upgraders
I think the ram comparison was shown more for users in situations like me. I have a 3700X showing it's age. Do I spend a bit of money to prolong the system with the 5900xt, or wait and spend more to for a full upgrade to a 9000 model once the full lineup specs are revealed?
I would go with the 7000 series. I have a 3700x too. I probably could a little more out of the cpu with some tighter ram timings but I want to wait until 7000 series becomes a bit cheaper. Thats me though and 5900XT is still a good upgrade
@@famousfighter2310 I use a STRIX X470-F motherboard. I don't think a 7k series fits in this board, but correct me if I am misinformed. After seeing the benchmarks I am leaning to budget on a 5700x3d while on sale now so I can spend more on next years options. To add, the 5800x3d would be ideal, but at the price point I would rather invest into a full rebuild.
@@Vegibyte I was saying 7000 series including motherboard upgrade since you have to due to newer socket. 5700X3D is a good choice and will most certainly hold you over until your next upgrade
I think you're dead on with most things int he video. I agree with test system notes. But why does the native video performance of a 6600 destroy the 7600, but the 7600 gets a much better frame generator or upscaling. Most people buying the 5900xt are not buying the 4090, so your rant is slightly disconnected. I also agree the b660 was ridiculous.
I have both. Updating ASUS Maximus Z690 Hero bios only set the Base clock speed to the latest INTEL requirement of 3400MGHz W/Zero chance to overclock because they took XMP off on the latest Bios update for July 2024. AND Intel might never fix their 13th and or14th gen processors. I also use an MSI MEG B550 Unify X AMD 5900X PC4000 W/auto clocked at 4700MGHz. I know both systems work fine without overclocking. Hype from one CPU manufacturer to another is nothing more than BS. I gave you a Like for great reporting and hope there will be more. Final note I always remind people that I build PC's for to bring them in for BIOS updates at least once a year or ask them to do it themselves especially for newer model motherboards. As for Intel they will squirm out of any responsibility and just move on to another Generation Processor using their 2 year cycle. Leaving all who buy their products screwed. As for AMD's ZEN Platform they are still devoting time and money to their customers for a few more years. I think that alone is worth more than INTEL ever did.
Call it for what it is. It isn't misleading either.. If they show you the literal testing methodology it by definition can not be misleading. They are manipulating the testing methodology to benefit their AMD product, they are purposely bottlenecking the GPU so the CPU can't be stressed and because the INTEL CPU runs faster when there is GPU overhead, they come ahead..
I think you are misled. By bottlenecking a GPU, the CPU usage is lower since the processor isn't being asked by the GPU to ready frame data. The less GPU bottlenecking you have, the higher CPU usage. It's common sense, but even for a simpleton in layman's terms...
@@bujfvjg7222 Re-read what I typed, you literally just repeated what I said. They are using a shit GPU to bottleneck, so the CPU usage is lower, on purpose - that way the intel CPU can't overtake the AMD one or perform close to it, because it's faster than the AMD with more GPU headroom.
It isn't just that the problem. Intel is usually able to use ram much more effectively and with higher frequencies easily. Most AMD Ryzen CPUs struggle hard to even get past 3200-3600mhz. I wouldn't be surprised to see most of those I7 or I9 getting past 4400mhz easily. And these tests compare both AMD and Intel chips running 3200mhz. And I am not even taking DDR5 into consideration.
in your clip you say "AMD is not lying" but in your clip title you wrote "AMD LYING about Ryzen" so my friend i know you need views and clicks but maybe this is not the way. To conclude i want to say that NOTHING you're saying here is new info, all brands bend the rules to show off and THAT is the reason why we like to see the truth and wait for reviewers' tests - REAL reviewers like gamers nexus, not you ! what you are doing here is ALSO bending the rules and we dont go on RUclips for more crap, we come here for less crap. Next time don't act like the usual media - shouting "SCAMMERS" when there's actually nothing happening ( just hit the "dislike" here )
i think they can use rx6600 for benchmark but they should show the gpu that use on the slide because you have to consider a lot of am4 user not build their pc on 2024, they may using 6000/5000 card. 5800xt and 5900xt is target the user which using am4 to upgrade their cpu.
So you're saying: Since people still use a 6600, they should upgrade anyway and not get any performance if they have a 3000 or 5000 series CPU? That sounds great dude.
i switched from 5800X to 5900XT and i am really nicely surprised. really huge difference in performance. Not exactly the scenario you mentioned, however i thought that my situation can give some perspective. As far as i can see 5900XT ($349) is very similar to 5950X ($369)
All this shittalking for that ? C'mon, you waste everybody precious time for a case that usually, people ask THESE CPUs for upgrades. So, the DDR4-3200 and "old GPU" is accurate, period.
The whole thing I don't get is that the slides where given to the press and the slides were also leaked ahead of computex. But as far as I can tell AMD never publicly showed these slides and never presented the cpus. So in my opinion hardware unboxed and other people blew it out of proportion. Unless I'm missing information that AMD gave these slides for public release by the press, then I think it's more misleading from hardware unboxed. Did AMD did a presentation to the press about the 5900XT? As far as I can tell, no they never gave a presentation.
There was actually a pre-briefing video provided to press ahead of the announcement, to stand in as a press-briefing, it was a pre-recorded video from AMD talking about everything, and was quite detailed, I actually took many quotes from that briefing and included them in my written article announcement about things like AMD considering Zen 5 architecture a quote: "sweeping update", and things like that, I wanted to make sure I included what AMD had to say about it officially. (This is Brent BTW, posting from my other YT account :o)
@@JusticeGamingChannel Thanks that makes more sense. I guess it's good in a way people are calling AMD out for these tests or when they sometimes used to cherry pick results. Even though no one believes AMD tests anymore lol.
A lie and cherry picking testing is two different things. The benchmarks were cherry picked and missleading to a degree. Everybody is doing it. And its annoying. AMD didnt need to do that. Its quite awhile when AMD did this. Usually they are sandbagging for their CPUs (last 2 launches). The same thing can be said about reviewers placing best CPU possible for GPU reviews (or best GPU for CPU reviews). It also missleads massively customers. For some reason very little people talk about nvidia driver overhead issues which are masked under having top of the line CPUs rather matching CPU (like 12600k/5700x for rx 6800xt/3070ti tier GPU)
These companies should not be allowed to get away with lying to consumers. This is pretty basic stuff. You have to be a particularly nasty piece of work to be ok with this.
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Links to Hardware Unboxed Video and Daniel Owen's Video added to Description.
what AMD is doing is testing how to get GPU LIMITED they aren't testing the CPU's at all there, if they did they would use a 4090 to avoid as much GPU bottleneck as possible... but they all do such shady stuff... always go to independant reviewers... Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed for me, for good trustworthy reviews.
@@LiLBitsDK you still dont get it... LMAO
@@unavailable291 oh I got it you apparently didn't understand that LMFAOADL
7:08 - To be fair, someone who started with a 12400f, and wanted an upgrade might look at the 13700k....and already have DDR4. Or they can get a Cheap B350 on EBAY and toss in a 5900XT for about the same performance as just a CPU upgrade, and you keep the RAM.
Tho, if you're going to switch platforms, why not go AM5?
5900XT makes more sense for someone who has a 3900x or 3950x, and wants more gaming performance, so it's a simple upgrade.
Surprised by the low-clocks tho, my 5900x hits 4.9Ghz pretty consistently with PBO. Maybe these XT's will be good for 5.0 or 5.1Ghz?
I don't think the gaming performance on these are going to touch any of the x3D chips tho....
300 series motherboards dont support Ryzen 5000 chips, they'd have to go for a 400 series or later motherboard
@@Fatal_Inertia My Wife and Daughter's B350s Run a 5700x and 5600 respectively quite well.
@@Fatal_Inertia wtf you are talking about? i have x370 with ryzen 5950x
@@hertzhertz2716 how far can you push ram on x370?
I run my 5950X on a aorus x470 gaming 7 and can go C16 3800 and 1900IF with 1.4V on goodish bdie
@@Manysdugjohn 3733MHZ CL16-11-19-8-24 RC 52 TRFC 534 1.45v IF 1866MHZ with micron e-die 64GB
Just a suggestion, but maybe put links to Hardware Unboxed and Daniel Owen's videos in the Description box for this video (since you had them displayed in the video itself). Gives proper credit to them guys as well. Great video Brent. I'm enjoying the ones you've put out of late.
Done!
ok so i give them credit for being drama queens for subs and shills for nvidia and intel
@@TheMusicHeals.kjhjhhg Whatever.... AMD is always putting out misleading and accurate info - sketchy presentations and bs. Look at their ads on YT - they actually have an ad presenting their hardward for 'content creators!' LOL! Their processors are 'okay' - but, they are just trying to milk what is left of the previous architecture Zen 3/AM4....
@@danp2306 Their processors are 'okay' ... Really? just ok? HAHAHAHAA
I get the uncertainty when it comes to the 5900XT result, but with the 5800XT performance at least when you then have it performing better than the 13600KF, you can't really claim that the GPU is bottlenecking results.
Because if the GPU was bottlenecking the results, then the 5800XT wouldn't be seeing any performance advantages.
Do you think it might be a good upgrade to go from the 3800x to the 5800xt? especially to avoid the large expense of money involved in switching to am5
I think they were going for by using the same ram and a rx6600 is to show a decrease in frame time due to cpu processing power. if gpu is maxed to 100% usage most of the time then the only thing that can increase FPS is data transfer rate via pcie lanes and cpu scheduling. The slides say "all results are 'up to' see ......" which maybe implies the highest fps recorded not average fps. It is unclear though on exactly what they were trying to show and is pretty ambiguous on the wording.
I think we are seeing this all wrong here. What if amd is just trying to show us those cpus wont bottleneck the RX 6600?
im being sarcastic here
They really should have just took Intel out of the equation and shown the difference between other am4 chips
It would have shown the improvements and tbh most if not all people interested in these chips would be am4 upgraders
I agree with you that this is not a lie. It is just a marketing trick! 🙂
I think the ram comparison was shown more for users in situations like me. I have a 3700X showing it's age. Do I spend a bit of money to prolong the system with the 5900xt, or wait and spend more to for a full upgrade to a 9000 model once the full lineup specs are revealed?
I would go with the 7000 series. I have a 3700x too. I probably could a little more out of the cpu with some tighter ram timings but I want to wait until 7000 series becomes a bit cheaper. Thats me though and 5900XT is still a good upgrade
@@famousfighter2310 I use a STRIX X470-F motherboard. I don't think a 7k series fits in this board, but correct me if I am misinformed. After seeing the benchmarks I am leaning to budget on a 5700x3d while on sale now so I can spend more on next years options. To add, the 5800x3d would be ideal, but at the price point I would rather invest into a full rebuild.
@@Vegibyte I was saying 7000 series including motherboard upgrade since you have to due to newer socket. 5700X3D is a good choice and will most certainly hold you over until your next upgrade
I think you're dead on with most things int he video. I agree with test system notes. But why does the native video performance of a 6600 destroy the 7600, but the 7600 gets a much better frame generator or upscaling. Most people buying the 5900xt are not buying the 4090, so your rant is slightly disconnected. I also agree the b660 was ridiculous.
Hi sir what should I get the 5700x3d or the 5800xt for light editing and sim racing assetto corsa with mods and also streaming
Get the 3d chip I’m sure it will perform better in the gaming and equal in the editing
it's July. I am tired of waiting for this CPU to resurface!
I have both. Updating ASUS Maximus Z690 Hero bios only set the Base clock speed to the latest INTEL requirement of 3400MGHz W/Zero chance to overclock because they took XMP off on the latest Bios update for July 2024. AND Intel might never fix their 13th and or14th gen processors. I also use an MSI MEG B550 Unify X AMD 5900X PC4000 W/auto clocked at 4700MGHz. I know both systems work fine without overclocking. Hype from one CPU manufacturer to another is nothing more than BS. I gave you a Like for great reporting and hope there will be more.
Final note I always remind people that I build PC's for to bring them in for BIOS updates at least once a year or ask them to do it themselves especially for newer model motherboards. As for Intel they will squirm out of any responsibility and just move on to another Generation Processor using their 2 year cycle. Leaving all who buy their products screwed. As for AMD's ZEN Platform they are still devoting time and money to their customers for a few more years. I think that alone is worth more than INTEL ever did.
Call it for what it is. It isn't misleading either.. If they show you the literal testing methodology it by definition can not be misleading. They are manipulating the testing methodology to benefit their AMD product, they are purposely bottlenecking the GPU so the CPU can't be stressed and because the INTEL CPU runs faster when there is GPU overhead, they come ahead..
I think you are misled. By bottlenecking a GPU, the CPU usage is lower since the processor isn't being asked by the GPU to ready frame data.
The less GPU bottlenecking you have, the higher CPU usage. It's common sense, but even for a simpleton in layman's terms...
@@bujfvjg7222 Re-read what I typed, you literally just repeated what I said.
They are using a shit GPU to bottleneck, so the CPU usage is lower, on purpose - that way the intel CPU can't overtake the AMD one or perform close to it, because it's faster than the AMD with more GPU headroom.
It isn't just that the problem. Intel is usually able to use ram much more effectively and with higher frequencies easily. Most AMD Ryzen CPUs struggle hard to even get past 3200-3600mhz. I wouldn't be surprised to see most of those I7 or I9 getting past 4400mhz easily. And these tests compare both AMD and Intel chips running 3200mhz. And I am not even taking DDR5 into consideration.
in your clip you say "AMD is not lying" but in your clip title you wrote "AMD LYING about Ryzen" so my friend i know you need views and clicks but maybe this is not the way. To conclude i want to say that NOTHING you're saying here is new info, all brands bend the rules to show off and THAT is the reason why we like to see the truth and wait for reviewers' tests - REAL reviewers like gamers nexus, not you ! what you are doing here is ALSO bending the rules and we dont go on RUclips for more crap, we come here for less crap. Next time don't act like the usual media - shouting "SCAMMERS" when there's actually nothing happening ( just hit the "dislike" here )
i think they can use rx6600 for benchmark but they should show the gpu that use on the slide because you have to consider a lot of am4 user not build their pc on 2024, they may using 6000/5000 card. 5800xt and 5900xt is target the user which using am4 to upgrade their cpu.
So you're saying: Since people still use a 6600, they should upgrade anyway and not get any performance if they have a 3000 or 5000 series CPU? That sounds great dude.
What is the difference to the 5900xt and the 5950x (other then the 5950x is 0.1 GHz faster on both the base and boost clock)?
More cache
@@D_Webb No.
The real question is if the 5800xt and the 5900xt are faster than the 5800x and 5900x
i switched from 5800X to 5900XT and i am really nicely surprised. really huge difference in performance. Not exactly the scenario you mentioned, however i thought that my situation can give some perspective. As far as i can see 5900XT ($349) is very similar to 5950X ($369)
@vinnyvasilev2322 How much are we talking in terms of cinebench and gaming? How much better is it statistically?
All this shittalking for that ?
C'mon, you waste everybody precious time for a case that usually, people ask THESE CPUs for upgrades.
So, the DDR4-3200 and "old GPU" is accurate, period.
THis is just Rename of 5800X and 5950X
Could be worse. Intel screws up far more.
Inyel syatems are very dependent on DDRx and performance excels when ram is clocked over 7,800 ... AMD very much LIED.
The 5900X is down to $249.99. I don't think anyone will buy the 5900XT.
5900xt have 4 more cores ,why not ?
@@frankwong9486 depends on price
depend on price of 5900xt because if it will be 350-360$ it would not worth over 9700x @@frankwong9486
It all depends on the pricing in the end. We'll have to wait and see
5900xt has 16 cores, 4 more than the 5900x
Makes me think they're going to launch a 5950xt with 20 cores
The whole thing I don't get is that the slides where given to the press and the slides were also leaked ahead of computex. But as far as I can tell AMD never publicly showed these slides and never presented the cpus. So in my opinion hardware unboxed and other people blew it out of proportion. Unless I'm missing information that AMD gave these slides for public release by the press, then I think it's more misleading from hardware unboxed. Did AMD did a presentation to the press about the 5900XT? As far as I can tell, no they never gave a presentation.
There was actually a pre-briefing video provided to press ahead of the announcement, to stand in as a press-briefing, it was a pre-recorded video from AMD talking about everything, and was quite detailed, I actually took many quotes from that briefing and included them in my written article announcement about things like AMD considering Zen 5 architecture a quote: "sweeping update", and things like that, I wanted to make sure I included what AMD had to say about it officially. (This is Brent BTW, posting from my other YT account :o)
@@JusticeGamingChannel Thanks that makes more sense. I guess it's good in a way people are calling AMD out for these tests or when they sometimes used to cherry pick results. Even though no one believes AMD tests anymore lol.
everyone know hardware unboxed is shill for NvIdia and Intel, has been since day one. i'm sure he has cashed many of their checks.
Why are deflecting for a cold hearted multi-billion dollar US corporation?
@@scubasausagethat's a good question. I guess my subconscious hopes that amd will lower their prices in exchange for me defending them lol.
AMD Should also toss out a Ryzen 5 5500XT (which would be a 5700x3D, with 2-less cores.
A lie and cherry picking testing is two different things. The benchmarks were cherry picked and missleading to a degree. Everybody is doing it. And its annoying. AMD didnt need to do that. Its quite awhile when AMD did this. Usually they are sandbagging for their CPUs (last 2 launches).
The same thing can be said about reviewers placing best CPU possible for GPU reviews (or best GPU for CPU reviews). It also missleads massively customers. For some reason very little people talk about nvidia driver overhead issues which are masked under having top of the line CPUs rather matching CPU (like 12600k/5700x for rx 6800xt/3070ti tier GPU)
A lie is a lie. Cherry picking is also considered lying. No excuse, if Intel has no excuse when they lie, nor does AMD.
@@zoltankramer3383 cherry picking is not lying.
they didnt lie,they say truth nčbut in scenario with rx 6600 gpu
omfg just wait till they come out this is stupid as who cares if they lied ffs
These companies should not be allowed to get away with lying to consumers. This is pretty basic stuff. You have to be a particularly nasty piece of work to be ok with this.
400Mhz DDR = 800Mhz DDR2 = 1600Mhz DDR3 = 3200Mhz DDR4 = 6400Mhz DDR5 = 12Ghz DDR6 *@lycanthoss
1.2 Ghz is 1200 Mhz, 12000 would be 12 Ghz
@@lycanthoss You are right. Thank you.