Budget vs Expensive Microphones: A Chat With With Rob Mayzes & Adam Steel at NAMM 2023
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What are some of your favourite microphones? Share in the comments below!
For real, I love my sm58 😅 still good, never break. Also I use my presonus PD-70 everyday and the edge solo from antelope is quite good too. I'm hoping to tried lewitt 240 and the small diaphragme one.
My First Condenser was a Shure KSM27 that I got on sale. Still Solid
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Are you gonna do a video on Shure's condenser mics? They're very rarely talked of on YT, cause everybody focuses on the Shure dynamics.
I really like Avantone. I use the CK-1 SDC's and CK-40 stereo LDC.
I can't remember who said it - some famous producer recording a famous band - but he said something like, "The right mic is the one that's plugged in when something amazing happens." I know I got it wrong, but that's the gist.
Haha yes! I’ve said it many times! Ulrich Wild Said the best mic is the one ready to go
I'm a bit older than most of the subscribers here. I was a high school and college intern for Bud Hobgood (James Brown's producer engineer). Bud would record James on either a Shure SM58 or a Sennheiser MD421 because James would scream and destroy diaphragms in condenser mics. Some of the greatest sounding vocals were done on relatively inexpensive microphones. The greatest selling album in history by a solo artist,"Thriller" by Michael Jackson,had vocals recorded on a $400 Shure SM7B, engineered by the late, great, Bruce Swedien. Swedien produced the same magic with a Shure SM7B on George Benson's "Give Me The Night". The late,great, Al Schmitt recorded Benson's "This Masquerade" on a $300 Electro Voice EV666. Isaac Hayes' Oscar winning "Theme From Shaft" vocal was recorded on an AKG C451. Lastly one of the greatest R&B singers of the 20th Century,Luther Vandross recorded all of his hits from 1971 to 1995 on an AKG C414. My favorite inexpensive mic is an MXL Revelation II,a $500 tube U47 clone. It's not about what you wish you had,but what you do with what you have.
I think the voices made the sound. The mic’s just passed the message on. My SM7 doesn’t make me sing any better (but I can record at home without worrying about recording the house)
Sennheiser 421 👌🏻
All facts!
Actually according to the Smithsonian Luther Vandross used the Sony C800 from 1951 - 2005. As someone said me singing on a SM57 will not make me Michael Jackson as voices like those mentioned would sound great on a fisher price.
@@PurpleMusicProductions P.S You really need to quit posting on these threads.You're showing your ignorance.
I'm drooling over the new Roswell Audio Aztec tube mic.
Yes, amazing!
No matter how great and affordable gear has become, the craft of making music is still the hard part.
no that's the easy part
@@CrazyDroiid46 I’ve been at this a long time, probably too long and without creative musicians working hard at their craft, all that will remain is Artificial Intelligence manufactured Muzak.
@@ChiefMiddleFingerit’s definitely the most important part!
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@@ChiefMiddleFingerthanks ever so much
I built a lot of my mic locker in the 80's going to garage sales. I was a teen and had zero money and a 4 track. To this day some of my best mics are things I bought by the box for $3. I still dont have a 57, the akgs and EV's I got back then are still better and have their own thing. Bowie, Elvis and Karen Carpenter loved the Re10 and used them on classic live and even studio recordings. I agree, listen with your ears and you can get affordable alternatives.
Thanks ever so much for sharing
I really appreciate your real world experience
I've always been impressed by how good everything from Audio-Technica has been for the prices, going back decades now. I have a AT-2020 that cost, what was it, $80, $90, and it's pretty darned good. Now, if you offer me a trade for a U47 or something that will be done in a flash, but as a large diaphragm condenser for less than a hundred bucks, it's pretty stellar. There are better microphones, but in terms of sound for price, you can't beat it, and it seems like all the A-T stuff is that way, and, as I said, has been for a long time. Big cheers for those guys.
PS- While we're at it, their headphones are pretty good, too.
I decided to test out about 20 of the various mics from my collection yesterday on electric guitar just as a refresher about how they sound, so this video is timely. The thing that struck me is how basically every mic sounded good in its own way and so much of it depends on placement, or the other mics you decide to use on the other instruments. One mic can sound so different depending on where you place it.
I have 3 or 4 TEV mics from the 80s or 90s (no idea how old, honestly) that i got for about $20 each about ten years ago-- and they sound just as good as some of the high end Sennheisers, CAD, akgs, Shure and Audix mics I have. The cheapie Calrad and Astatic mics also sounded surpringly good.
I tend to think of it this way: this dark mic will sound good on this bright source or vice versa. Or this mic can handle this really loud source or this super sensitive mic will sound good on this soft source. This mic wont pick up bleed, or if it does it will still sound good.
@James Williams it would seem they tend to loose low end over time, but that's just anecdotal.
Same thing with pairing guitars & amps imo
Fabulous to see that experience, right from the sources themselves! Cheers guys
Thanks for sharing
I started on a TEAC 3340S (most of Blue Oyster Cult's rehearsals were recorded on that machine} But the mics were all 57's and 58's. Unfortunately, the 57 is NOT a great
kick drum mic!. Oh, still have the same 3340S and it still works! And remember, the Sennheiser 421 has a "voice/music" switch hidden around the XLR output.
Thanks for sharing! I really appreciate the insight
Rob!!!! So good to see him. I miss MOAM so much!
Yes! We love Rob!
My AKG C1000 are still my main overhead & i love them, plug into my old TL Audio 5001 & they match very well. i also love TL Audio, i have 4 of this unit, such a shame they stopped. Recently i have switched from sm57 to sE Electonic V7X on snare and i love it
Hi Warren. Love this kind of talk. I'm 59. My first mic was a RadioShack highball which was in fact made by Shure and was a replica SM58 with an on/off slide switch on the side. I bought it new when in high school so probably around 78 or 79 and used it on gigs as my vocal mic until I lost it around 1992. It was rock solid.
Thanks for watching and sharing!
Wow. This is a great little discourse. And nice shoutouts to Roswell who I have heard such great reviews of. 🎉
Thanks ever so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
For my studio, i've narrowed down everything that I need from microphones to this list below. I record Vocals + I've collected over 150 percussion instruments including a Donkey Jaw 😆 I mainly produce Hip Hop beats
EV 635a, SM7b, SM57, Neumann TLM102
My first mics were 2 -AKG D1000 E’s and 1- AKG CE1 pencil condenser recording to a TEAC A3300SX 1/2 track real to real and a little later a TASCAM 144 PORTASTUDIO. I still have all of them though I haven’t used any for quite some time. Should probably get some of my older stuff out and play around with them a bit. Might be surprised.
So funny. I have bought things from MicParts Matt and bugged the poor guy with questions about fixing my Studio Projects mic. I had no idea he was a known guy in the industry. You'd never know from his correspondence. I figured he was just a fellow geek on the internet who knew a ton about microphones and sold parts out of his home.
Matt is wonderful! We are big fans!
Loved this!
Thanks ever so much!
Fun talk, thanks Warren, Rob and Adam!
Thanks for sharing David!
Some years ago, I ended up buying an Audix i5, which I still have. It's turned out to be a great mic for many sources.
My first “good” mic in 2000 was an AKG C1000 (replacing an AudioTechnica Midnight Blue). On a Yamaha MT 120 cassette four tracks.
Got a pair of SM 57s next, and actually preferred the C1000.
Because of liking AKG, I got a 414, and now that’s my “good“ mic.
I'd recommend the same thing, a SM57 for the first mic. But I'd say the AT2020 (and if you can spend a few bucks more an AT2035 that gives you a pad and a high pass on the 2020 base model). These are both keeper mics even if you may mostly move beyond the AT it still worth keeping in the collection and will get you through discovering the business of recording.
My mindset here is if someone is asking about their first mic then what they are really doing is exploring getting into recording. As such that defines suggesting a mic that doesn't waste money if recording turns out to not be their thing. If they grow then the money still isn't wasted because they are long term keeps in a greater collection. An experienced Recording engineer wouldn't be asking but if they did then I suggest something $1k or more of course. Although, I totally dig the new Aspen Pitman Designs AP1B-FET. It's really good. (Yes, APD are my friends, but this mic IS actually really good. I recently record guitar with one where I had the free choice from a mic locker including $5k to $18k mics.)
The Shure SM545 were the mics my Dad and Uncle George (Jorge) gigged with in the '60s. Dad gave them to my twin brother (drummer) and me for us to gig with. I thought they were crap because of their vintage cable ends, but in reality, they were pretty much SM57s in old man's clothing I read in one tech article. They were bloody fine! My brother still uses them in his basement rehearsal studio. In fact, I remember my old school district had an auction getting rid of old bits in the mid-'80s. Guess what they were pitching out? Old Shure mics from their old podiums. I scored 4 mics for $30, soldered on XLR ends, and filled out our mic locker for more instrument mics for my brother's drum kit. I thought there were just basic crap, but that article also confirmed that they too were basically SM57s. Not so bad...
Love the Shure 545! Great mics and once upon a time very affordable!
I plan to purchase a Dynacaster from SE Electronics soon. I also like the Cascade Fathead II (for an affordable ribbon mic).
My first mic condenser was an AKG c3000 actually is a great mic! Today my dream 🛌 is a Mojave! I love this mic!
I just picked up one of the original made in Austria dual capsule ones from the 90s. Sounds excellent still.
@@in.der.welt.sein. Yes, I bought it in the beginning of 2000, actually, I guess those microphones weren't made in China those days.
Great conversation. Rob was the mic you got an AKG Perception?. Thanks for the video
Hi! My favourite budget mics are: 1. for soundstage and untheated room: shure sm58 or shure sm7b. 2. for studio expert use(budget 100$): akg p120 or mxl 990. 3.for studio expert use(300$): aston spirit or se se2200. Oh i have a question, not on the topic but, i'd like to know :) which in your opinion i should start mixing with some headphones? I know audio technica ath m40x is really great a lot of people say that its better than sonys mdr 7506. What do you think?
Thank you for the video
Thanks ever so much!
My first cheap condenser is a MXL 2001 large diaphram with a free 603s small capsule mic included. It's not that bad. A SM58 was bought at the same time.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
My first "good vocal mic" was a AKG C1000, and boy was I disappointed. But then I got the budget Rode NT1-A and I've been using it ever since.
Shure PG line are great along with most of the BEHRINGER line these days! You CAN'T beat the old C1 or C1U LDC mics!
Clear, detailed, LOW noise and they work! The old 58 always hits the spot also!
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
@@Producelikeapro Cheers Warren! Rock on!
i do not even produce or record but i will listen to warren almost any time ;9)
Studiospares own cheapy 2 large condensers. I got 3 for the price of one 57. If you can't get a good recording on almost anything you're doing something wrong.
I want to put a word in for Schoeps and DPA SDC mics. They operate on a different level than other mics in my experience. They are not colored but can capture a visceral sense of place along with perfect accuracy. And I mean perfect accuracy. When you listen to playback it sounds exactly like you are standing next to the musician. Put a stereo pair in front of a band that plays well together and hard pan them in playback. You can walk around in that depth of field. Nothing like it. I guess they are mostly used for classical recording. The classical guys have a very different way of approaching recording but they showed me something. Almost nothing is done in post. In that world the mics need to be at that level of quality. A Jolymod Oktava is great (I've owned a couple of pairs and loved them) but A/B them with a Schoeps and its bye bye bank account.
Thanks ever so much for sharing, I really appreciate it!
This Great.... It's just too short!! 😢 jk, my favorite changes for what's being recorded but I love my Royer R-10 right now.
Sometimes mics gain (pun not intended) followers by association with classic recordings when they may well have just been what was to hand. I'm sure in the right hands it's entirely possible to make a killer record with the crappiest of capsules!
I do however still get cold sweats when I think about the pile of AKG 451/CK1s I sold for peanuts about twenty years ago. We replaced them with AKG Blue Lines, oh dear. Thankfully I kept a few with some VR tubes and knuckles...
'Roswell' in fact promotes it as NOT a 251 replica, ..though it looks like it 🙃.
Haha I want to hear it bad!
In their mailing add it last week said:
'Although this probably violates a rule about the sorts of microphones that small companies are allowed to make, it's not a clone.
I know, I know, the only mics anybody wants are the U47, U87, U67, ElaM 251, and C12. Alas. I'm just not that excited about slavishly duplicating someone else's work.
Instead, I used the same method I always do: start with an idea of the sound I want, borrow from vintage circuit designs, add useful features, develop an appropriate capsule voicing, then implement the mic using the best parts on the planet.
Sonically, the Aztec is reminiscent of the ElaM 251. We have developed a spectacular capsule (edge-terminated, of course) and transformer. We use a similar single-triode circuit topology, and a 6072 tube. We spent two years refining the power supply.'
So it's not a clone but reminiscent...
People will buy it as a 251😎.
Hi please help me decide between the new rode nt 1 5th gen vs the Levitt lct 440 pure. Keep in mind it will be my only condenser mic in my home studio. I am torn between the two, I am thinking if I get either I will regret not getting the other but I only have budget for one and won't have money anytime soon
In my opinion, both are very similar and both have its own pros and cons. I personaly would go for the lewitt, its more crisp and clear, sounding very similar to reality in my opinion. I am not really used to rode's "electric" sound, which i dont really prefer, but it really depends on what kind of sound you like. Tell me for what you mainly would use and ill tell which fits better for the aplication. Hope this helped!
Comparing the frequency chart and specs for a mic is a good place to start. Personally, I would invest in the Lewis LCT 440 Pure for recording audio into a mic pre.
The new NT1 is dual connectivity and USB would be best for someone who doesn’t already have a mic preamp.
@@ChiefMiddleFinger I also think that. Great answer!
@@Markisbeatz355 thank you.
@@ChiefMiddleFinger thank you
Concerning old mics:
I just stumbled upon the md411 by Sennheiser. Its called "poor mans 421" , but is as good as its brother. Its got a smaller capsule but the rest is the same components. Nowadays a 421 costs 400€ and up. Oldee ones from the 70s even more.
MD411? Can pick em up for 20€ to 60€. All you need is anadapter from this small-tuchel thing to xlr and you are good to go. Often theyre branded as Telefunken cos they were sold with tape recorders as a bundle.
Good mics nobody wants for dirt cheap.
Thanks for sharing that! I will have to try the 411! Just used a 441 in France, it was awesome!
My two cents - buying a u87 was the best thing that ever happened to my vocals. Not just in terms of sound, but in terms of everything: discipline, vocal technique, confidence, etc. A u87 is the world's best vocal coach. It will make you think about everything - from breath control to room acoustics. It makes you, and I apologize for this modern term, GIT GUD. There's no other mic that does that (except other more expensive mics from the same family). I 100% will agree that partially it is a placebo effect of the history of that mic capsule (although the comparison to luxury cars in the above video is pure idiocy) and the Neumann brand, i.e. a largely ephemeral thing. But isn't music the most ephemeral art form? Standing in front of a u87 is a holy experience for me. You make yourself give it all you can, there's just no other way. That is why you buy a mic of that caliber, to feel these feelings and have the urge to deliver (can't get that kidney back now). This is music guys, not freaking house renovation, you CANNOT let yourself get too clinical (and cynical) about this if you truly love the art form.
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AKG Perception 100. First mic ever.
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Thanks ever so much
57s are the obvious workhorse, and will likely never be replaced for what we use them for but... workhorse condenser mics? Pro 37. End of discussion. I can't _not_ use them.
Thanks for sharing
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Shure SM7b is amazing for the money, other than that the Soyuz 017 FET is my fave at the moment. Been using Brauner VM1’s for years. I’ve always found the Shure SM 57 to be unusable for vocals because of the concave mesh design that is terrible for plosives, always preferred the SM 58. The most overrated microphone of all time for me is the U87.
A crap mic in a good position is worth more than a great mic in a bad position....
Yes, agreed 100%!
Shure 849 not cheap in the 70s
Interesting, I looked and I don't see a listing in Shure's catalog before 1989. Maybe you're thinking of a different mic?
We have China to thank for high quality, cheap gear. Why the west is in such a hurry to go to war with them is beyond me.
@@simon_patterson that’s because it is utter madness! Crazy decisions made by Self serving politicians who have no care for how their actions affect the rest of us!
Yes, affordable Mics have definitely changed the market for the best!
Slave labour and copyright infringements hurray!
@@josuastangl7140 I’m talking about China, not America.
@@officialWWM Why do you think they can produce so cheaply? Super cheap labour and they don't worry about infringing anyones intellectual property