How Freeriding is Judged on the Freeride World Tour | FWT23 Judging
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- When it comes to freeriding, we all know that there are different terrains and different ways to express oneself within a terrain.
The goal of this judging system is to allow any style of riding to win on any given day. Whether a rider’s strength is steep terrain, big airs, technical tricks or speed, each style should be able to win if on that day, the rider simply showed the most impressive run utilizing his own strengths. Riders shouldn’t have to adapt their riding to a system; the system should be adapted to freeriding. So how can we create a judging system that is both fair and not restrictive? Freeriding encounters the same dilemma as other disciplines such as surfing, skateboarding or freestyle skiing/snowboarding. These respective sports have all gone through their own distinct experiences and it is interesting to see that they all ended up with similar judging systems: systems with overall impression scores, given mostly by former riders respected by the new active generation.
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Thanks. I think it would be nice to see a breakdown of two podium runs and why one of them scored over the other. Thanks again
Hot take 1: FWT comment sections recently have been 80% people who just showed up after watching a backflip compilation on tiktok, can't recognize a line that's hard to ski unless the athlete almost falls, and are mostly pissed bc they're not watching a spin-to-win slopestyle comp. The other 20% are old school fans who don't like that the speed and aggression scoring categories turned into line difficulty and air/style.
Hot take 2: The judging is fine. Pure freestyle lines won't ever win, and hopefully they never will. If we get to that point we may as well just skip the hike and build a jump. 100% gnar lines don't win either, because the sport has progressed and now we can spin and/or invert *into and out of* those gnarly lines. So to get on the podium you need a bit of both. In other words, there is balance in the Force. Everything is as it should be.
So what now? How about this: scroll up, like the video, turn off whatever screen you're reading this on, and go ski somewhere with lots of rocks. That's what I'm going to do. You should too.
I would like to see the Finn Bilois runs judged. Just to hear the justification for these innovative runs, since they are probably not that easy to judge
Don't let the angry chat mob get you down, the entire internet is nuts. It's easy for those to get off the rails, especially when there is subjective judging as opposed to a race.
I think the judging incentivizes controlled flawless skiing over risktaking, and I think thats reasonable. Its like this in every judged sport.
But it will reward big risk craziness, as long as it's handled well. Big drops, double, triple high speed jumps with tricks.... and that's why Travis Rice and the top folks dominate. They do huge risk taking, and land it. So I don't think it disincentivizes it at all, big risks are just hard :P
@@PaulVanWho yeah
I feel the same way about the mistakes being penalized too heavy.
For the example of that 360 being sketchy to down grade to 1 point, same score for a strait air. In this case if I was the rider and had felt that the risk to reward wasn't worth pushing for that 360 in regards to landing clean or rotating smooth I may go with a strait air. Personally id rather see a sketchy 360 then strait airs and you would think there would be a neutral effect on scoring from a sketchy to a more risk involved maneuver ie 2 points instead of 1.
Also to add that as soon as someone makes a mistake in their run, they pretty well just give up on the run as they know one slip/far ruins any chance of a high score. Unfortunate way to judge imo.
None the less huge respect to all riders !
Definitely agree control should be judged on control not how clean it was and the 360 deserved 2 or 3
I didn’t think about this until reading your comment. As I read, I started to think which of a straight air or an ugly 360 I would prefer to watch as a fan. My answer is the straight air. I like the mastering of the skills as an expert. To the athletes, I respect a choice of 360, and would give a pat on the back like “nice try”. This is basically how the whole world works, no matter it is sales, entertainment, annual bonus or sports. Also I can show this good looking video to my not-a-fan friends, impressing them, and win more fans for the sport. 😊
This is a much needed video so thank you for that.
After watching this, it feels to me like mistakes are penalised a tad too heavily?
Afterall, what good would it do for the sport if the competitors are disincentivized from being creative?
I get your point, but i feel like doing less deduction on mistakes due to high risk on bigger features or bigger tricks just incentivises riders to take bigger, unnecessary risks that might be out of their range. Someone that feels comfortable and does best with smaller, creative hits might end up trying to send a Navarro-style line despite never doing so before. Only because deduction for mistakes are smaller. This could lead to much more and heavier injuries, what shouldn't be the goal for freeride comps...
Great to see you guys sending some insight but there seems to be a big consensus in the comments that we want to see risk taking rewarded even if the result is sketchy.
And even potentially going the X Games knuckle route of not releasing scores until the end. We all desperately want this to remain about creativity and huge sends and risks and not just turn into another hum drum take it safe event because some bobbles kill your score.
Seems weirdly formulaic for a 'free' sport, if a 3 doubles the points of a jump what does a backflip or flat three do, and when someone does a switch 1 do you decide on the spot what its worth.
Seems odd, but I guess fair
Ok, thanks for the explanations 🙂
Thanks for the video! Great transparency and explanation.
Question:
How are crashes scored assuming no equipment is lost? Sometimes it feels like plenty of marks are deducted, and other times it seems like it's barely deducted any marks?
Thanks a lot! we were all asking for some clarity, and I feel transparency is just very important. I kinda share the sentiment that the scoring system is perhaps lacking some precision regarding the impact of some riskier moves (the risk/reward problem mentioned in comments below).. perhaps providing something like a table with all the possible points and deductions would be nice.
Thank you
I would like to see an example of at least three riders, including when one of them scored 90, including Maxim Shablo at the last competition
My conclusion, as I already thought seeing the scoring, everything is about features that land good. Line and fluidity are completely ignored for the scoring. Keep it like this and we will have some more boring competitions like Andorra and Baqueira this year where absolutely everyone was doing the same lines changing the kind of jump and how clean was the landing.
Live judging would be amazing, to see how the score changes during the run.
But I think it's quite impossible for judges ... thanks for the insight's/education
Could we just, and this is said with all my respect, get rid of Lolo looking over the judges ? I mean the mere fact he and only him is constantly there, plus de fact those judges are basically within the same space (as compared to ski jumping for instance, where they are isolated from one another) to me simply lacks fairness. Again, I’m saying that with the respect due, judging is a subjective matter, and especially for a relatively “young sport”, but this is a *freeride* comp, not a freestyle comp. And Mumma (sorry can’t remember his first name) can attest to that: they truly need to start scoring *lines* not just features.
Made this comment on another vid but I'll share here again:
- Make the judging line stop before the actual end point (maybe make it the face only, so the flats aren't judged).
Bro should consider more shitty snow conditons xD
Forget line choice, just backflip.
The judging is as good as Lolo Besse English accent I guess
That's just mean and add nothing to the debate. Poor comment.
im sure its better than your french accent. oh wait you probably dont even speak more than a single language!
Judging Valles score in the first stop🤡🤡🤡