Him and even the top 5 greatest player of all time in Tim Duncan doesn't get much recognition because people brush off loyalty and greatness. They'd rather focus on superteams and to be buddy buddy with other superstars.
@@trigun442 its mainly cause of how composed both of them were. they didn't act like superstars, even tho they were. they didn't go celebrating when they won and go making rivalries like lebron. also, u could consider time duncans spurs a homegrown superteam
For real. I feel like many new or younger fans these days don't understand how great and historic Dirk was. Many of them only know Dirk as a shooting big man or for his fadeaways.
I really enjoyed your list.. the only issue for me was AD, the guy is an amazing talent but the same way you said Garnett couldn’t win for awhile on those twolves teams the same can be said for AD dude only made the playoffs twice in his career before he won that ring with Lakers.. great vid though
Ad was having a similar situation. Pels did a lot of dumb moves and injuries happened. Ad took the pels to the semi finals with a good supporting cast in 2018
But he mention Kevin Garrett was outplayed at his position multiple times when he was in those playoffs while ad out played players like draymond green on the pelicans
Fun fact: Giannis won his first chip at a younger age (26) than when MJ won his first chip (28). NOT comparing them as players but putting that into perspective truly shows how much Giannis has accomplished so far in the league at his age.
I do think that Giannis deserves to be top 3 even though a lot of people disagree because he is still in the league but that’s just how good he is so we can’t discredit his accomplishments just because he is still playing also I make videos as well
Look Giannis can’t be considered top 3. He has the accomplishments but let’s not forget about his lack of post season success until this season. He needs to prove further post season success to move up on the list which he will do in my opinion.
I'm gonna get shit on, but there's some super underrated Power Forwards that are typical "Glue Guys" that I think deserve discussion. Dennis Rodman and Draymond Green are the first two that come to mind. Guys that can't score a lick but literally do everything else at an elite level, and often times are the reasons why their teams win tough games. I can't begin to explain how impressive it was to see Dennis play #2 to Jordan when Pippen got hurt, grabbing sometimes upwards of 20 rebounds a game while guarding the best player. And don't get me started on Playoff Draymond, who is another beast entirely. He deservedly gets shit for his persona, but if you watched the Olympics, you would recognize his greatness. That team was flatlining every time he was off the floor, and was a well-oiled machine when he's on. The Gold Medal game was perhaps the most impactful 0 pts 0 shots taken performance I've seen. He's top 3 in Playoff Triple Doubles behind Magic and Lebron. And he revolutionized the way people play defense in the modern era by being able to switch 1-5. Give these dudes some flowers too.
@@davemcnair7432 he's absolutely not washed up lol. How is being top 2 in assists and 1st team all defense washed up? How many 15+ assist games did he have again? He just doesn't shoot.
Dennis Rodman - 5x NBA Champion - 2x Defensive Player of the Year - 7x rebounding champion He's one of the most unique athletes in the history of the game. He could guard and disrupt any teams star player. Every position 1-5 from Magic to Shaq. He always hustled and seemed to have better cardio than everyone else on the court. He's the most skilled rebounder of all time and probably the best when you take into account his size. Basketball is not always about scoring. If your team has 1-2 scoring options then Dennis did everything else to ensure the Win. And it goes without saying that his off the court antics and personality are legendary at this point. He spent some time as a small forward in Detroit so maybe thats why he's not on this list... but he deserves it... especially over someone like Petit (who's a LEGEND!). But you don't take Petit over Rodman when choosing between the two.
Hot take -- Rodman was great PF, but he is the one player who could be pulled off the list. He was never a franchise players or ever had the burden of a team on his shoulder. Limited on offense.
@@neoblade8164 no, you got it! I 100% discredit him due to his era and inflated stats in this situation… I am not trying to discredit his great accomplishments and say that he’s trash. He’s highly deserving of respect and admiration!!!… but between Rodman & Pettit in a more modern NBA, I am going with Rodman. The only reason that could possibly make me reconsider would be if my team had very few scoring options. Then I’ll take “Big Blue”.
@@sydneystroud4397 Dennis was the best THE BEST Offensive Rebounder in the 90s, bar none, He either scored or passed the ball to Jordan, Pipen or Kukoc to help them dominate in the offense. When you look at stats, Rodman was far more monstrous Offensive Rebounder than Defensively, that could score when his team needed to in the paint and was by no means a scoring liability, but because he was selfless he almost always passes it and is one of the best passing PFs in the league history, and could score in the paint if needed too. Hakeem Olajuwan admitted that Rodman would've made it insanely difficult for them to deal with, and none of Jordan's 2nd 3peat would've happened if Rodman wasn't in the 96 to 98 Season. Being a 6'7" 220 lbs Physical Anomaly, Amazing overall Offensive Rebounding, Shut down Defender (Shaq, Kareem, and Malone had defensive nightmares against Rodman) Give me Rodman. putting Lakers Shaq at 0 in thr paint is unheard of.
100% correct! Giannis is the most accomplished 26 year old in the history of basketball! he has the chance to surpass Duncan in the future and not just him!
I love Giannis to death but I’d still put Garnett and Dirk ahead of him. Giannis’ peak these last five years (27-11-5) has been incredible. And he’s just entering his prime seasons which is scary. It’s gonna take a lot to catch Tim Duncan, but I think he has the intangibles, drive and talent to get to that level.
Dirk I'd say yes but definitely not for long but KG???? HELL NO. Giannis is way better than KG and has already passed him. Karl Malone is better than KG.
I agree. I would still rank KG and Dirk ahead of Giannis. Not by much of course assuming he continues his current play, but if he retired today I don't really see how you can view him being better than those two.
Top 30 Power Forwards in NBA History 1. Tim Duncan 2. Charles Barkley 3. Karl Malone 4. Kevin Garnett 5. Dirk Nowitzki 6. Kevin Mchale 7. Bob Pettit 8. Elvin Hayes 9. Giannis Antetokounmpo 10. Anthony Davis 11-30- Bob McAdoo, Dennis Rodman, Pau Gasol, Jerry Lucas, Chris Bosh, Chris Webber, Kevin Love, Shawn Kemp, Billy Cunningham, Dave DeBusschere, Antwan Jamison, Blake Griffin, Tom Heinsohn, Bobby Jones, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Rasheed Wallace, Zach Randolph, Dan Issel, Draymond Green, Tom Chambers, Bill Lambieer, Terry Cummings, Charles Oakley, Amar’e Stoudemire, Larry Johnson, Horace Grant, Elton Brand, David Lee, Jermaine O’Neal, Rasheed Wallace, Antoine Walker, Lamar Odom, Rashard Lewis, Serge Ibaka, Rudy Laruso, , Paul Millsap, Robert Horry, Terry Cummings, Sam Perkins, Clifford Robinson, David West, George McGinnis, Cedric Maxwell, Serge Ibaka, Anthony Mason, AC Green,, Kurt Rambis
Where the heck is Spencer Haywood?! Connie Hawkins?! Bob Netolicky?! But thanks for putting my favorite in there, Big George! A lot of legendary power forwards throughout the years, they rival the small forwards even though that position is probably the most stacked one.
Love to see the Dirk recognition. He did more with less, and he's got a finals mvp to back up his case, kept some very weak mavs teams always in contention, no hate on KG, but this is the correct ranking.
Karl Malone leads all Power Forwards in total Points, Rebounds, Assists & Blocks. He also has the most All NBA First Teams by a Power Forward in history and was the highest overall scorer of the 90s decade while still being a regular All Defensive selection. He has more MVPs (2) & Finals Appearances (3) than Dirk, Charles and KG as well. If we aren’t going scrutinize the personal lives and magnify the controversies of other players such as Kobe and Hakeem, we shouldn’t do it to Karl either, no matter how abhorrent his off the court actions were. Let’s not be hypocritical.
Great video. Excellent analysis. You gave Nowitzki his due. I remember the 2003 finals. You were right, Parker didn't get the job done. A backup guard named Speedy Claxton saved the Spurs. Parker wouldn't play well, in came Claxton, and the Spurs won. He should have won MVP, but he wasn't such a famous player. Then in 2005 and on Parker had matured and didn't need a backup. Claxton got some good contracts for playing so well in the 2003 finals, but I don't think he did much!
I know he was never known for scoring, but Dennis Rodman’s 5 championships, Two-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA selection, two-time Defensive Player of the Year, eight-time All-D selection, and Hall of Fame selection at least earns him an honorable mention.
Criteria: LEADING a team to an NBA championship, MVP awards, and overall ability. Most of all though, how far do they move the needle? How well do they effect the game in all phases (scoring, passing, playing without the ball, rebounding, defense, and leadership / communication)? Did they play a style that was conducive to winning? 10. Elvin Hayes 9. Kevin McHale 8. Anthony Davis 7. Charles Barkley 6. Kevin Garnett 5. Karl Malone 4. Bob Pettit 3. Giannis Antetokounmpo 2. Dirk Nowitzki 1. Tim Duncan
I grew up a Bucks fan in the 80's. Kevin McHale was an all time great. He is one of the most underrated player in NBA history. When Bird and McHale were healthy it was almost impossible to beat them. In the 80's he DID get the respect he deserved he even made a Cameo appearance on the HUGE TV Show Cheers. I don't understand why he isn't praised like Bird still is?
I’d shift KG up to 2. I don’t think you really understand how bad the timberwolves were when KG was there. Nor was the comparison of KG and Dirk. Did you really see how deep the 2002 Mavs were. Chauncey is not on Steve nashes level. Michael Finley and Nick Van excel were on different tiers from the rest of the timberwolves team. Until KG went to Boston he didn’t half a decent roster. Go look at dirk during the mid 2000’s. The Mavs consistently underperformed. Where was the mention he got knocked out in the 1st round as the 1 seed? The 2011 finals Dirk couldn’t even hit 40% of his shots in half of the games including game 6. Remember us was Jason Terry in game 6 that provided the clutch offense while Dirk shot .333 fg. Sorry it just felt like KG got hit big time for any knock on his career while Dirk got glossed over.
Hätïm سقرآط kevin garnett, he got a chip, mvp, dpoy as well with more all star appearances and more accolades. i think giannis will pass if he win another ring. for me it’s up for debate for #3 dirk and giannis
Listen KG got a chip with two other hall of gamers. Never won shit on his original team. Giannis has accomplished more than KG and a quarter of the time
Koh Smoger giannis has 1 mvp on him and that’s it.. everything else they either both have or kg has more of lmfao. and even the ring thing, they played a team who ran through an injured west in their first run together😂
At 4:36 McHale is better than the Brow(No Disrespect). McHale played in a different era. He was playing against guys like Rodman,Malone,Barkley,Willis,&Chambers etc. McHale was a defense general man.
thank God some respect on Dirk's name! i can accept that at this point, or even in the future if Giannis can and will surpass him, but people forget how good this guy was. great video!
@@kohsmoger1567 no, but is giannis ever gonna be the offensive player that dirk was? that West was a slugfest every year in the 2000s and early 2010. played against some of the all time great players AND teams.
Give KG a decent team with a real chance of winning....he's the #1 PF of all time. Rings is main reason he's not #1.....and his peak is the best PF of all time
The greek freak will be the greatest pf of all time. Mark my words. The greek god is the beast and the best superstar in the NBA and the future face of the NBA
Anthony Davis is so hard to place. I completely understand why you put him where he is. People are very quick to forget how good he actually is when he's healthy.
@@nickbrooks1283 You calling him a dunker just means you’re a hater. Get ready for this dunker to dominate the next decade. And btw, Giannis’ ring this year is up there with Dirks in 2011
Dirk's 2011 ring was magnificent. Lebron is not nor will ever be the goat. That 2011 finals, along with his move to Miami, was a disgrace. Giannis will be the 🐐 pf no 🧢
yo Mustard! do a list on the top peaks of all time set it to a 3 year span, factor in stats, dominance, accolades and team success. It’d be a hit for sure!!
I got these two players in the top ten power forwards.Chis Webber,21pt & 10reb at 48% for his career & George McGinnis 20pt & 11reb for career,25 & 13 while in A.B.A.
Tim Duncan wasn't a Power Forward. Has everyone forgotten Popovich's quote from 2011 when asked who the Spurs were starting at Center? "Tim Duncan, like we have for the last 15 years.”
I honestly think the reason most people don’t put him as a center like he actually was, is because without Timmy, let’s be honest the power forwards list is incredibly lacking compared to the other 4 so he makes it a competitive spot, either that or people just look at 2k for their basketball info😂 Edit: no disrespect to the other players mentioned they’re all great, I meant In terms of resume. As great as they all are none of them are close to Tim who has a dark horse case for the GOAT convo and the only person with a shot of getting There is Giannis and I’m not even sure if he will, as incredible as he is.
@@henrypope4225 definitely, while a lot of people would say he didn’t really have a peak per say, I’d argue he did, and that was 2003. He was on a whole different level from the competition that year
Giannis needs more years of consistency yes he has the ring but he's only been that guy for Milwaukee for 4-5 years.Guys like malone,dirk,Barkley have numbers,playoff runs,winning seasons and mvps while playing at high levels for years so Giannis having a ring doesn't outright put him over everybody else he needs more longevity
Thank you for putting Dirk's name on blast. A lot of people.dont understand how stacked that Miami Heat team is, for me it's possibly the cheapest or 2nd cheapest super team ever created. For a lone superstar in 1 team with a bunch of role players to demolish that superteam. That shows how loyal a player is to the organization and show that they don't need a super team to WIN IT ALL.
I'm not saying it was completely fair but it wasn't as lopsided as your putting it. Miami had 2 superstars with one all-star and some pretty good role players. Dallas had one superstar with like 10 REALLY good roleplayers. Probably greatest performance by role players all time. There were so many role players playing like animals. Jason terry, jj barea, shawn marion, deshawn stevenson, peja, caron butler, haywood, tyson chandler, Jason kidd, corey brewer etc
My top 10 1. Tim Duncan 2. Kevin Garnett 3. Dirk novitski 4. Charles Barkley 5. Karl Malone 6. Giannis Antentokumpo 7. Kevin McHale 8. Pau Gasol 9. Dennis Rodman 10. Anthony Davis
but Dirk Cooked Kg in their matchups...It's not always about defense you can't say Jimmy Butler is better player than Steph because Steph can't play defense.
Here we go again, another list mistakenly placing Dirk over Kevin Garnett. Damn it's like people don't respect players who excel on the defensive end. Garnett - 12 All Defense selections, 9 - 1st team Dirk - 0 All Defense selections cmon now Not to mention KG's 4 Rebounding titles. Dirk never averaged 10 rpg in his career.
@@paquinraino8180 Dirk scored more points, Garnett had higher numbers in everything else. People overvalue scoring today. There's more to the game than just shooting. Also, KG has a signature screen (which means he was proficient is multiple aspects of the game), can't say the same for Dirk.
People ignore both longevity and accolades at their convenience. Thank God Duncan won 5 rings because if he had just one I guarantee that Yung would have put Giannis as 1st
He has a better resume than everybody below him at only 26 bruh what more do you want🤣🤣🤣 it's not even controversial that's the crazy thing and we all know giannis will only get better and who knows if he gets a jumpshot🤷🏿♂️
Just because the competition wasn't what it is now shouldn't matter, in my opinion, because if a person from that era grew up today they would probably be just as good. It's like comparing a flip phone to the smartphones we have now.
@The Unknown Tim Duncan was Top 5 at his position through 3 different eras and has 5 rings to show for it. Giannis could catch him but I don't see that happening.
Yell must never seen KG play KG has no Weaknesses we no Giannis has weaknesses lol where is Giannis better then KG at I will wait if you say offense you a lie and do not know basketball are watch it and the both Of them are Even on the Defensive end so I will wait
@@davidkelln9225 Yea I know you do not know basketball end of Conversation go look at KG Highlights then come Holler at me lol Giannis do not ever have post up game are Mid range are Free throw line he can’t ever go over I left our right shoulder because if he can do that they would never lose in 2019 are 2020 playoffs so let’s be real and stop playing with me
KG should not be above Barkley and Malone on any list. KG's defense was very good, but his offense was not par with these great players. His offense game was very limited and unlike Giannis, he couldn't dominate his game with his physical strength.
This list is horrible, using the it was 1950 no talent and less teams really sucks to put that against Bob is bad like look at his career and kg is too high not better than Malone
Love gasol but he gets bumped into honorable mentions cuz of a guy they called the big E: elvin Hayes was a power forward with winning intangibles as well as elite scoring
I guess McHale's in the right spot, though I might move him up a bit. In the old style NBA, where people posted up in the paint more, no one had more moves and better timing under the basket.
2:53 McHale was good enough to cause the Larry Bird move to Small Forward FROM Power Forward to make space for him in the starting lineup. Enough said.
i dont get how anthony davis has had some of the greatest playoff runs of all time, im cool with AD on the list but i feel like that statement is crazy
Who TF underrates Charles Barkley? Barkley was the only Basketball Jersey that I bought growing up and I was a BUCKS Fan. He's celebrated as an all time great along side his peers in Jordan and Hakeem. I got to see Barkley play live in his prime vs Bucks at the Bradley Center on March 14, 1992. Charles had 33 Points and 14 rebounds.
How overrated is Giannis my God. When you talked about Dirk, you said that he had one of the most difficult playofffs runs in history, and in turn, you forgot that Giannis had one of the easiest, facing all injured teams. It would be like Dirk in 2011 would have beaten the Lakers without Kobe, the Thunder without Durant and the Heat without Lebron. Dirk's playoff run is incredible precisely because he defeated those players, but Giannis did not, he defeated injured teams, therefore his ring is very overrated and his position in this top is incorrect.
A chip is a chip, no matter how you look at it giannis at this age has almost overthrown or equaled other all time greats in terms of accolades/ awards. Might not be second best but he cannot be outside top 5 no matter how you look at it
Terrible comparison, only the nets were injured. The hawks were down 2-1 before trae went down and when Trae came back, they beat them without Giannis. And bro the Suns were healthy wym, if anything the Bucks were less healthy than they were because giannis was coming off an injury and they were missing donte. The Bucks faced ONE injured team and you completed it to a hypothetical of a guys facing ALL injured teams.
@@YungMustard It is the same, since Phoenix was not a team that would have passed the first round in other circumstances, it only reached the finals due to the injuries of its opponents, a ring is a ring, but one overrated this year and that you cannot compare with Dirk's. It makes me laugh that you took so long in the video to explain how valuable Dirk's ring is, but you didn't even notice Giannis's, which is just the opposite.
1. Tim Duncan 2. Karl Malone 3. Charles Barkley 4. Kevin Garnett 5. Dirk Nowitski 6. Elvin Hayes 7. Dennis Rodman 8. Bob Pettit 9. Rasheed Wallace 10. Kevin McHale Honorable mentions: Chris Webber, Giannis Antekoumpfo, Anthony Davis, Pau Gasol, Dolph Shayes, Lamarcus Aldridge, Chris Bosh, Jerry Lucas, Bobby Jones, Shawn Kemp
I would have put AD on this list when it was made but he ain’t making the cut,Shawn Kemp in his prime was a monster,Dennis Rodman is super underrated too.
Kevin Love!!! Rasheed Wallace!!! Elton Brand!!! Shareef Abdur Rahim!!! Connie Hawkins!!! A.C. Green!!! Clarence Weatherspoon!!! Derrick Coleman!!! Chris Webber!!! Dennis Rodman!!! Draymond Green!!! Chris Bosh!!!
My top 10 PFs in order 1. Timmy D 2. Giannis 3. Nowitzki 4. Barkley 5. Malone 6. KG 7. AD 8. Bob pettit 9. Kevin McHale 10. Chris Bosh Honorable mentions: Elvin Hayes, Pau Gasol, Chris webber, Blake Griffin, Dennis Rodman, maybe Draymond and possibly LaMarcus Aldridge
It's amazing how much this position on the floor has progressed in the modern era. The 4 spot used to be almost worthless. There were good players, but nothing like the past 30 years or so. I remember in the 90s having discussion about who the best PF of all time was Karl Malone or Barkley. Since then, the 4 on this list plus, you could certainly add Amare Stoudemire as well. I agree on Giannis. He's probably the 2nd best already. Of course he's got a ways to go to catch Duncan, but he's done more than any other PF.
Longevity does matter today’s players want to manage how many games they play regular season like 60 and they still are getting injured! Players from earlier decades played through injuries and didn’t get nowhere near the Supermax contracts of today!
Duncan is unquestionably the greatest *player* on this list. But calling him the greatest power forward kinda stretches the definition of a 4. He played 63% of his NBA games at the 5. He was a 5 in college. Tim Duncan's a center. People only call him a power forward because 1) he played the 4 when he first came up and the Admiral was playing the 5, and 2) folks want to give Duncan his flowers (understandably) and don't like putting him up against Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Dream, and Shaq at center.
i'm happy that Dirk is finally getting the praise that he deserves. He is truely one of the most under rated player of all time.
He's fairly rated
@@tj5180 nah not really
Him and even the top 5 greatest player of all time in Tim Duncan doesn't get much recognition because people brush off loyalty and greatness. They'd rather focus on superteams and to be buddy buddy with other superstars.
@@trigun442 its mainly cause of how composed both of them were. they didn't act like superstars, even tho they were. they didn't go celebrating when they won and go making rivalries like lebron. also, u could consider time duncans spurs a homegrown superteam
For real. I feel like many new or younger fans these days don't understand how great and historic Dirk was. Many of them only know Dirk as a shooting big man or for his fadeaways.
I really enjoyed your list.. the only issue for me was AD, the guy is an amazing talent but the same way you said Garnett couldn’t win for awhile on those twolves teams the same can be said for AD dude only made the playoffs twice in his career before he won that ring with Lakers.. great vid though
Ad was having a similar situation. Pels did a lot of dumb moves and injuries happened. Ad took the pels to the semi finals with a good supporting cast in 2018
And then he changed teams and won… just like Garnett… so why is his spot okay but AD’s isn’t?
But he mention Kevin Garrett was outplayed at his position multiple times when he was in those playoffs while ad out played players like draymond green on the pelicans
@@Crying2Death because kevin had won an mvp and dpoy
AD doesn’t even have an MVP on his resume guys
Fun fact: Giannis won his first chip at a younger age (26) than when MJ won his first chip (28). NOT comparing them as players but putting that into perspective truly shows how much Giannis has accomplished so far in the league at his age.
lmfao yea true but same can be said about many other people... Tony Parker and Kobe were both 21 when they won their first title. MJ (magic) was 20.
@@tyreek.6815 you named only named 3
@@johnnyappleseed6889 okay? I was just explaining some people who also won it. Google is free. lol. I said many bc it wasn’t just them😂👍🏾
@@johnnyappleseed6889 dwane wade also
@@tyreek.6815 i mean Kobe had shaq with him
I do think that Giannis deserves to be top 3 even though a lot of people disagree because he is still in the league but that’s just how good he is so we can’t discredit his accomplishments just because he is still playing also I make videos as well
He hasn't pass malone or dirk KG to be top 3. He's top 5
@@tj5180 he has passed KG
@@ewajajonna nah KG better than Malone, he’s passed Malone
@@ewajajonna how
Look Giannis can’t be considered top 3. He has the accomplishments but let’s not forget about his lack of post season success until this season. He needs to prove further post season success to move up on the list which he will do in my opinion.
I'm gonna get shit on, but there's some super underrated Power Forwards that are typical "Glue Guys" that I think deserve discussion. Dennis Rodman and Draymond Green are the first two that come to mind. Guys that can't score a lick but literally do everything else at an elite level, and often times are the reasons why their teams win tough games.
I can't begin to explain how impressive it was to see Dennis play #2 to Jordan when Pippen got hurt, grabbing sometimes upwards of 20 rebounds a game while guarding the best player. And don't get me started on Playoff Draymond, who is another beast entirely. He deservedly gets shit for his persona, but if you watched the Olympics, you would recognize his greatness. That team was flatlining every time he was off the floor, and was a well-oiled machine when he's on. The Gold Medal game was perhaps the most impactful 0 pts 0 shots taken performance I've seen. He's top 3 in Playoff Triple Doubles behind Magic and Lebron. And he revolutionized the way people play defense in the modern era by being able to switch 1-5.
Give these dudes some flowers too.
I would consider Green and Rodman small forward but great regardless.
@@davemcnair7432 he's absolutely not washed up lol. How is being top 2 in assists and 1st team all defense washed up? How many 15+ assist games did he have again? He just doesn't shoot.
@@davemcnair7432 he was below average with injuries to Steph and Klay Thompson and after K D went to Brooklyn
@@davemcnair7432 I'm in agreement with you I'm not making excuses at all I'm pointing out how he is nothing when he isn't surrounded by starrs
@@rocknroll7065 they all played pf
Dennis Rodman - 5x NBA Champion - 2x Defensive Player of the Year - 7x rebounding champion
He's one of the most unique athletes in the history of the game. He could guard and disrupt any teams star player. Every position 1-5 from Magic to Shaq. He always hustled and seemed to have better cardio than everyone else on the court. He's the most skilled rebounder of all time and probably the best when you take into account his size. Basketball is not always about scoring. If your team has 1-2 scoring options then Dennis did everything else to ensure the Win. And it goes without saying that his off the court antics and personality are legendary at this point.
He spent some time as a small forward in Detroit so maybe thats why he's not on this list... but he deserves it... especially over someone like Petit (who's a LEGEND!). But you don't take Petit over Rodman when choosing between the two.
Dennis Rodman is the original bad boy
Hot take -- Rodman was great PF, but he is the one player who could be pulled off the list. He was never a franchise players or ever had the burden of a team on his shoulder. Limited on offense.
Well unless you discount Pettit because of era, on paper you'd be on crack to not take Pettit over Rodman
@@neoblade8164 no, you got it! I 100% discredit him due to his era and inflated stats in this situation… I am not trying to discredit his great accomplishments and say that he’s trash. He’s highly deserving of respect and admiration!!!… but between Rodman & Pettit in a more modern NBA, I am going with Rodman.
The only reason that could possibly make me reconsider would be if my team had very few scoring options. Then I’ll take “Big Blue”.
@@sydneystroud4397 Dennis was the best THE BEST Offensive Rebounder in the 90s, bar none, He either scored or passed the ball to Jordan, Pipen or Kukoc to help them dominate in the offense. When you look at stats, Rodman was far more monstrous Offensive Rebounder than Defensively, that could score when his team needed to in the paint and was by no means a scoring liability, but because he was selfless he almost always passes it and is one of the best passing PFs in the league history, and could score in the paint if needed too. Hakeem Olajuwan admitted that Rodman would've made it insanely difficult for them to deal with, and none of Jordan's 2nd 3peat would've happened if Rodman wasn't in the 96 to 98 Season.
Being a 6'7" 220 lbs Physical Anomaly, Amazing overall Offensive Rebounding, Shut down Defender (Shaq, Kareem, and Malone had defensive nightmares against Rodman) Give me Rodman. putting Lakers Shaq at 0 in thr paint is unheard of.
Tim Duncan. The greatest Power forward ever. Period.
I agree but Giannis still has to be number 2
Lets check back in 5 and 10 years to see if Giannis makes it a debate.
@@flyingpigmonkey1 bet
@@jailbreakshortsgroup4671 Duncan 1 Malone 2
Duncan is to a PF like MJ to a SG.
100% correct! Giannis is the most accomplished 26 year old in the history of basketball! he has the chance to surpass Duncan in the future and not just him!
I mean Duncan at 27 was a 2 time mvp and 2 time finals MVP as well
@@therealgmoneyd yeah giannis has a lot of ground to make up
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Duncan won a ring in his second season. Giannis has a lot more to catch up to Duncan
He has little chance to surpass him
I love Giannis to death but I’d still put Garnett and Dirk ahead of him. Giannis’ peak these last five years (27-11-5) has been incredible. And he’s just entering his prime seasons which is scary. It’s gonna take a lot to catch Tim Duncan, but I think he has the intangibles, drive and talent to get to that level.
How are they ahead of him ?
Dirk I'd say yes but definitely not for long but KG???? HELL NO. Giannis is way better than KG and has already passed him. Karl Malone is better than KG.
Dirk was never DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR OR A 2X MVP. Greek freak better period
I agree. I would still rank KG and Dirk ahead of Giannis. Not by much of course assuming he continues his current play, but if he retired today I don't really see how you can view him being better than those two.
Because he’s a better basketball player. That’s like saying Dave Cowens was better than Bill Walton
C Webb deserves a spot on here, especially over Pau. He would be a champ if it weren’t for those damn refs.
“Would” and “is” are two very different things
you are backing up ur statements with hypotheticals.
It’s not a hypothetical it’s a fact go back and watch the calls and they sure af would’ve beat the Nets in the finals
@@henrypope4225 there is no possible way of knowing that so don’t sound so confident and yes what he said he 110% a hypothetical
How ? Did u even watch the series. It was rigged for the lakers lol
McHale put people in the torture chamber lol. He worked people with the up an under.
He may not be the best ever but he would give everybody on this list buckets
Mchale is like that og on the blacktop that schools you with his skills haha. That brother is a bad man!!!!!
McHale is much better than AD.. Sorry don't care about 3s
Barkley is better than Garnett
Top 30 Power Forwards in NBA History
1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Kevin Mchale
7. Bob Pettit
8. Elvin Hayes
9. Giannis Antetokounmpo
10. Anthony Davis
11-30- Bob McAdoo, Dennis Rodman, Pau Gasol, Jerry Lucas, Chris Bosh, Chris Webber, Kevin Love, Shawn Kemp, Billy Cunningham, Dave DeBusschere, Antwan Jamison, Blake Griffin, Tom Heinsohn, Bobby Jones, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Rasheed Wallace, Zach Randolph, Dan Issel, Draymond Green, Tom Chambers, Bill Lambieer, Terry Cummings, Charles Oakley, Amar’e Stoudemire, Larry Johnson, Horace Grant, Elton Brand, David Lee, Jermaine O’Neal, Rasheed Wallace, Antoine Walker, Lamar Odom, Rashard Lewis, Serge Ibaka, Rudy Laruso, , Paul Millsap, Robert Horry, Terry Cummings, Sam Perkins, Clifford Robinson, David West, George McGinnis, Cedric Maxwell, Serge Ibaka, Anthony Mason, AC Green,, Kurt Rambis
I would switch some people around but GREAT list!
Good job
Finally someone with a brain. How Barkley 6.
You put terry cummins twice.. and I'd probably add in dwight howard and vin baker
Where the heck is Spencer Haywood?! Connie Hawkins?! Bob Netolicky?! But thanks for putting my favorite in there, Big George! A lot of legendary power forwards throughout the years, they rival the small forwards even though that position is probably the most stacked one.
If giannis stays healthy for at least another 12 years there is no doubt in my mind he can be a top 5 player of all time
He doesn’t need another 12 years he needs 5-7 at most. He’s not playing until he’s 38 he won’t need to
@@bigmac2556 it might be more than 7 tbh lol
Waiting for the Giannis “hot take”
Love to see the Dirk recognition.
He did more with less, and he's got a finals mvp to back up his case, kept some very weak mavs teams always in contention, no hate on KG, but this is the correct ranking.
Karl Malone leads all Power Forwards in total Points, Rebounds, Assists & Blocks. He also has the most All NBA First Teams by a Power Forward in history and was the highest overall scorer of the 90s decade while still being a regular All Defensive selection. He has more MVPs (2) & Finals Appearances (3) than Dirk, Charles and KG as well.
If we aren’t going scrutinize the personal lives and magnify the controversies of other players such as Kobe and Hakeem, we shouldn’t do it to Karl either, no matter how abhorrent his off the court actions were. Let’s not be hypocritical.
Yo Dirk shot 73% from 3 vs KG... Damn😂
14:52 “Russell Westbrick”😂😂😂
Dirk, Giannis and Hakeem has the top 3 finials run ova
Im sorry but Lebron had the greatest Finals series
@@ioannish56 nah. 2011 1994 hakeem were better
@@tj5180 I think that Lebrons Comeback from 3-1 against the 73 warriors was Greater
@@ioannish56 u can make a case tho. But it's definitely up there. I think 1994 hakeem and 2011 dirk were more impressive
Sorry but Giannis got praised by the injury gods in the least competitive playoffs ever.
Might as well just put Barkley at Top 5 and "Freaky" Karl Malone at Top 13 🤣
So glad i have Pau Gasol some love. Truly underrated.
Great video. Excellent analysis. You gave Nowitzki his due.
I remember the 2003 finals. You were right, Parker didn't get the job done. A backup guard named Speedy Claxton saved the Spurs. Parker wouldn't play well, in came Claxton, and the Spurs won. He should have won MVP, but he wasn't such a famous player. Then in 2005 and on Parker had matured and didn't need a backup. Claxton got some good contracts for playing so well in the 2003 finals, but I don't think he did much!
I know he was never known for scoring, but Dennis Rodman’s 5 championships, Two-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA selection, two-time Defensive Player of the Year, eight-time All-D selection, and Hall of Fame selection at least earns him an honorable mention.
another banger vid, love how in depth you go
all love amaya!!!
I love the way he sneaks in Russell WESTBRICK
Man I forgot how athletic Chuck was insane!
I honestly think Barkley was better than Malone
They both have a arguement but I think malone is better.
Facts
He was and he's really number one. Nobody played that position better than Barkley
Giannas is the only person in nba history to get an MIP , MVP ,DPOY and FMVP I think it’s well deserved he gets 2nd behind Tim Duncan
AD is not top 8 at least because almost all the pfs are MVP level and most of them had better postseason sucess
Yeah this guy obviously just threw this list together for views
@@haadtheevision Other than ad , what didnt you agree with.
Criteria: LEADING a team to an NBA championship, MVP awards, and overall ability. Most of all though, how far do they move the needle? How well do they effect the game in all phases (scoring, passing, playing without the ball, rebounding, defense, and leadership / communication)? Did they play a style that was conducive to winning?
10. Elvin Hayes
9. Kevin McHale
8. Anthony Davis
7. Charles Barkley
6. Kevin Garnett
5. Karl Malone
4. Bob Pettit
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Dirk Nowitzki
1. Tim Duncan
I grew up a Bucks fan in the 80's. Kevin McHale was an all time great. He is one of the most underrated player in NBA history. When Bird and McHale were healthy it was almost impossible to beat them. In the 80's he DID get the respect he deserved he even made a Cameo appearance on the HUGE TV Show Cheers. I don't understand why he isn't praised like Bird still is?
As a lakers fan from the showtime era, I second this opinion.
It’s because McHale is this 🖐🏼 not this 🖐🏾
🤷🏼♂️ 🤷🏻 Facts is facts
I’d shift KG up to 2. I don’t think you really understand how bad the timberwolves were when KG was there. Nor was the comparison of KG and Dirk. Did you really see how deep the 2002 Mavs were. Chauncey is not on Steve nashes level. Michael Finley and Nick Van excel were on different tiers from the rest of the timberwolves team.
Until KG went to Boston he didn’t half a decent roster. Go look at dirk during the mid 2000’s. The Mavs consistently underperformed. Where was the mention he got knocked out in the 1st round as the 1 seed?
The 2011 finals Dirk couldn’t even hit 40% of his shots in half of the games including game 6. Remember us was Jason Terry in game 6 that provided the clutch offense while Dirk shot .333 fg.
Sorry it just felt like KG got hit big time for any knock on his career while Dirk got glossed over.
i love giannis.. he’s not #2 yet
Who u have at #2
Hätïm سقرآط kevin garnett, he got a chip, mvp, dpoy as well with more all star appearances and more accolades. i think giannis will pass if he win another ring. for me it’s up for debate for #3 dirk and giannis
Listen KG got a chip with two other hall of gamers. Never won shit on his original team. Giannis has accomplished more than KG and a quarter of the time
Koh Smoger giannis has 1 mvp on him and that’s it.. everything else they either both have or kg has more of lmfao. and even the ring thing, they played a team who ran through an injured west in their first run together😂
I love how you give emphasis to the Mavs historic championship run
At 4:36 McHale is better than the Brow(No Disrespect).
McHale played in a different era. He was playing against guys like Rodman,Malone,Barkley,Willis,&Chambers etc. McHale was a defense general man.
thank God some respect on Dirk's name! i can accept that at this point, or even in the future if Giannis can and will surpass him, but people forget how good this guy was. great video!
Was dirk ever the defender giannis is. And how long did dirk have to wait to win his first and only ring.
@@kohsmoger1567 no, but is giannis ever gonna be the offensive player that dirk was? that West was a slugfest every year in the 2000s and early 2010. played against some of the all time great players AND teams.
I only watch these videos to see what players get disrespected the most.
Give KG a decent team with a real chance of winning....he's the #1 PF of all time. Rings is main reason he's not #1.....and his peak is the best PF of all time
Timmy still would be the better player he's a better scorer and their neck and neck in defense
@@rolandmcdonald9302 tim Duncan is the best defensive player in history imo.
@@RealCGH bill Russell is better
@@RealCGH bill Russell says hi
@@dansheshe8039 that's fine, I still think Tim better tho
The greek freak will be the greatest pf of all time. Mark my words. The greek god is the beast and the best superstar in the NBA and the future face of the NBA
Dude is on the path to be the greatest player of all time. Not saying he’s getting their but he’s on the path
Anthony Davis is so hard to place. I completely understand why you put him where he is. People are very quick to forget how good he actually is when he's healthy.
Giannis not on Dirk or KG level. He belongs in the top 5 but not 3 yet
giannis has 2 mvps and 1 ring at 26. dirk has 1 ring for his career and KG didnt do shit as the centerpiece for his team. so idk what level you mean
He’s had a better career than KG and Dirk already at 26. You’re ignorant or one of those longevity guys if you think he’s not on Dirk’s level.
@@deanoss777 Dirk’s 2011 playoff run is more valuable than anything Giannis has ever done. Stop overhyping a 7ft dunker
@@cvkg7015 both years he won mvp he exited in 1st or 2nd round. Had to be saved by KD giant ass feet to win a ring
@@nickbrooks1283 You calling him a dunker just means you’re a hater. Get ready for this dunker to dominate the next decade. And btw, Giannis’ ring this year is up there with Dirks in 2011
Dirk's 2011 ring was magnificent. Lebron is not nor will ever be the goat. That 2011 finals, along with his move to Miami, was a disgrace. Giannis will be the 🐐 pf no 🧢
yo Mustard! do a list on the top peaks of all time
set it to a 3 year span, factor in stats, dominance, accolades and team success. It’d be a hit for sure!!
Johnny Arnett did 5y and 10y
Giannis for sure 2018-21
You should watch “Thinking Basketball” the channel. They have an entire series about the greatest peaks in the history of basketball.
@@nolengerwer3517 by ben taylor ?
@@tj5180 yeah
Rasheed Wallace needs to be on this list. Ridiculous talent. 3 ball defense, and a chip. Can't deny.
Good list. Giannis & Duncan gonna hover over 1&2 for the next 20 years
Tim second best player ever
19 & 10 for a career while load managing for the second half of your career? Yeah I don’t think so. Duncan is so overrated
Hell no 😭😭😭
@@stopplzs facts
@@stopplzs how does that make him overrated lol ? Those aren't bad averages at all
W
14:50 "Russell Westbrick" 😂😂😂😂
Dirk > Giannis. Giannis doesn't even beat LeBron at this stage. Dirk beat LeBron IN HIS ABSOLUTE PRIME.
Giannis is easily 5 but not top 2 nor 3 yet. Already is top 30-35 of all time
He's not any lower than 3 only Duncan and Dirk are better, he easily clears anyone else.
@@davidepoian9758 agreed he definitely 3 with Dirk at 2 and Tim Duncan at 1
He will be the greatest when he’s done
I got these two players in the top ten power forwards.Chis Webber,21pt & 10reb at 48% for his career & George McGinnis 20pt & 11reb for career,25 & 13 while in A.B.A.
Tim Duncan wasn't a Power Forward. Has everyone forgotten Popovich's quote from 2011 when asked who the Spurs were starting at Center? "Tim Duncan, like we have for the last 15 years.”
Fax he spent the majority of his career at center
I honestly think the reason most people don’t put him as a center like he actually was, is because without Timmy, let’s be honest the power forwards list is incredibly lacking compared to the other 4 so he makes it a competitive spot, either that or people just look at 2k for their basketball info😂
Edit: no disrespect to the other players mentioned they’re all great, I meant In terms of resume. As great as they all are none of them are close to Tim who has a dark horse case for the GOAT convo and the only person with a shot of getting There is Giannis and I’m not even sure if he will, as incredible as he is.
@@gavinbaker9938 it might also be that his best season was at PF in 03 when he carried his team to a ring
@@henrypope4225 definitely, while a lot of people would say he didn’t really have a peak per say, I’d argue he did, and that was 2003. He was on a whole different level from the competition that year
Giannis needs more years of consistency yes he has the ring but he's only been that guy for Milwaukee for 4-5 years.Guys like malone,dirk,Barkley have numbers,playoff runs,winning seasons and mvps while playing at high levels for years so Giannis having a ring doesn't outright put him over everybody else he needs more longevity
He’s done more in those 4-5 years than the guys below him did in their careers
Thank you for putting Dirk's name on blast. A lot of people.dont understand how stacked that Miami Heat team is, for me it's possibly the cheapest or 2nd cheapest super team ever created. For a lone superstar in 1 team with a bunch of role players to demolish that superteam. That shows how loyal a player is to the organization and show that they don't need a super team to WIN IT ALL.
I'm not saying it was completely fair but it wasn't as lopsided as your putting it. Miami had 2 superstars with one all-star and some pretty good role players. Dallas had one superstar with like 10 REALLY good roleplayers. Probably greatest performance by role players all time. There were so many role players playing like animals. Jason terry, jj barea, shawn marion, deshawn stevenson, peja, caron butler, haywood, tyson chandler, Jason kidd, corey brewer etc
My top 10
1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk novitski
4. Charles Barkley
5. Karl Malone
6. Giannis Antentokumpo
7. Kevin McHale
8. Pau Gasol
9. Dennis Rodman
10. Anthony Davis
Kg over dirk. Kg can play defense.
Not to mention KG's 4 Rebounding titles vs Dirk never averaging 10 rebounds his whole career.
but Dirk Cooked Kg in their matchups...It's not always about defense you can't say Jimmy Butler is better player than Steph because Steph can't play defense.
That list is spot on I do not agree with studio gangster on the 4th but that’s a personal choice your analysis validates most if not all those spots.
ADisney is the goat PF ever. No other players won the hardest ring bubble Disney ring and 1st in season tournament ring. That made him the best
Here we go again, another list mistakenly placing Dirk over Kevin Garnett. Damn it's like people don't respect players who excel on the defensive end.
Garnett - 12 All Defense selections, 9 - 1st team
Dirk - 0 All Defense selections
cmon now
Not to mention KG's 4 Rebounding titles. Dirk never averaged 10 rpg in his career.
ik kg was so good at defense why dirk average 33 on his head
@@lenfer1607 Dirk averaged 23pts, 8rebs, 2 asts against KG in 37 games in their careers. Do your homework, exaggerating ass.
@@09lowkey he is talking when they met each other in their primes
@@paquinraino8180 Dirk scored more points, Garnett had higher numbers in everything else. People overvalue scoring today. There's more to the game than just shooting. Also, KG has a signature screen (which means he was proficient is multiple aspects of the game), can't say the same for Dirk.
People ignore both longevity and accolades at their convenience. Thank God Duncan won 5 rings because if he had just one I guarantee that Yung would have put Giannis as 1st
Elvin Hayes scoring / reb top ten and Pau Gasol really a center not a power forward til Bynum became starter
AD is amazing! Average 25 pts, 10reb in 9 games played per year. That's like... 200 points a season
This video is gonna cause controversy because Giannis just win the chip 😂😂😂
He has a better resume than everybody below him at only 26 bruh what more do you want🤣🤣🤣 it's not even controversial that's the crazy thing and we all know giannis will only get better and who knows if he gets a jumpshot🤷🏿♂️
Just because the competition wasn't what it is now shouldn't matter, in my opinion, because if a person from that era grew up today they would probably be just as good. It's like comparing a flip phone to the smartphones we have now.
Giannis is too 3 but I think he’s 3 tho you can argue two but he’s 26 give him 5 years and he’s no question he’ll be better than dirk and kg
@The Unknown he gotta do quite a bit to get in front of Timmy
@The Unknown Tim Duncan was Top 5 at his position through 3 different eras and has 5 rings to show for it. Giannis could catch him but I don't see that happening.
@@09lowkey it’s hard to pass Timmy, but I gonna say their is still a little chance
@The Unknown he ain’t gonna be 1
Kevin Garnett vs giannis
Would be an insane matchup
Giannis gon win...
Trash Talk doesn't get in his head...
KG will destroy himself
I'll take giannis
Yell must never seen KG play KG has no Weaknesses we no Giannis has weaknesses lol where is Giannis better then KG at I will wait if you say offense you a lie and do not know basketball are watch it and the both Of them are Even on the Defensive end so I will wait
@@marcusblack8768 ok you ready? Giannis is a better shooter, except from the line, better passer, has better handles, and is a better teammate.
@@davidkelln9225 Yea I know you do not know basketball end of Conversation go look at KG Highlights then come Holler at me lol Giannis do not ever have post up game are Mid range are Free throw line he can’t ever go over I left our right shoulder because if he can do that they would never lose in 2019 are 2020 playoffs so let’s be real and stop playing with me
This list is so good. Great explanations for each one of the positions
I got kg over dirk because he was a 2 way player and had way less help than dirk. Otherwise another excellent list
KG should not be above Barkley and Malone on any list. KG's defense was very good, but his offense was not par with these great players. His offense game was very limited and unlike Giannis, he couldn't dominate his game with his physical strength.
That's cap he's a better shooter and defensive rebounder and a 🏆 🤷🏾♂️
This list is horrible, using the it was 1950 no talent and less teams really sucks to put that against Bob is bad like look at his career and kg is too high not better than Malone
Are u good ? KG is better then malone and there was talent in the 50s and less teams didn't make the league weak
Love gasol but he gets bumped into honorable mentions cuz of a guy they called the big E: elvin Hayes was a power forward with winning intangibles as well as elite scoring
#1 Duncan
#2 Dirk
#3 Garnett
#4 Barkley
#5 Karl Malone
Also more credit to Gannis and that Bucks team for beating that super stacked Nets team with Durant, Irving and Harden😶
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I guess McHale's in the right spot, though I might move him up a bit. In the old style NBA, where people posted up in the paint more, no one had more moves and better timing under the basket.
Worth mentioning Dennis Rodman never makes it on such list despite his insane Reb skills
Let’s be honest, Giannis might be top 2, and he’s easily top 3
2:53
McHale was good enough to cause the Larry Bird move to Small Forward FROM Power Forward to make space for him in the starting lineup.
Enough said.
i dont get how anthony davis has had some of the greatest playoff runs of all time, im cool with AD on the list but i feel like that statement is crazy
honestly i love how u gave respect to the players in the 60s even though the competition wasnt that great
Yessuh
Didn’t know Dirk won a 3point contest. That sounds like it should’ve been common knowledge
correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it was on the "worst" 3pt contest
Wow someone finally gave pau respect
Who TF underrates Charles Barkley? Barkley was the only Basketball Jersey that I bought growing up and I was a BUCKS Fan. He's celebrated as an all time great along side his peers in Jordan and Hakeem. I got to see Barkley play live in his prime vs Bucks at the Bradley Center on March 14, 1992. Charles had 33 Points and 14 rebounds.
How overrated is Giannis my God. When you talked about Dirk, you said that he had one of the most difficult playofffs runs in history, and in turn, you forgot that Giannis had one of the easiest, facing all injured teams. It would be like Dirk in 2011 would have beaten the Lakers without Kobe, the Thunder without Durant and the Heat without Lebron. Dirk's playoff run is incredible precisely because he defeated those players, but Giannis did not, he defeated injured teams, therefore his ring is very overrated and his position in this top is incorrect.
A chip is a chip, no matter how you look at it giannis at this age has almost overthrown or equaled other all time greats in terms of accolades/ awards. Might not be second best but he cannot be outside top 5 no matter how you look at it
Terrible comparison, only the nets were injured. The hawks were down 2-1 before trae went down and when Trae came back, they beat them without Giannis. And bro the Suns were healthy wym, if anything the Bucks were less healthy than they were because giannis was coming off an injury and they were missing donte. The Bucks faced ONE injured team and you completed it to a hypothetical of a guys facing ALL injured teams.
@@YungMustard It is the same, since Phoenix was not a team that would have passed the first round in other circumstances, it only reached the finals due to the injuries of its opponents, a ring is a ring, but one overrated this year and that you cannot compare with Dirk's. It makes me laugh that you took so long in the video to explain how valuable Dirk's ring is, but you didn't even notice Giannis's, which is just the opposite.
Thunder had russ kd harden. Tf u talking about. Also a Lakers team who were considered to 3 peat and the Miami heat big 3 as well.
@@tj5180 If you are answering me, I ask you to please read my comment again before looking like an idiot
Nowitzki is the #2 for me. Giannis is a monster, but, the 00’s west was wild and Dirk put the Mavs in the map year after year after year by himself.
Lies basketball reference exist because of statements like this
1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Charles Barkley
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Dirk Nowitski
6. Elvin Hayes
7. Dennis Rodman
8. Bob Pettit
9. Rasheed Wallace
10. Kevin McHale
Honorable mentions: Chris Webber, Giannis Antekoumpfo, Anthony Davis, Pau Gasol, Dolph Shayes, Lamarcus Aldridge, Chris Bosh, Jerry Lucas, Bobby Jones, Shawn Kemp
Top 2 for giannis thanks I thought you would put him like 5 or 4 cuz people disrespect the goat Giannis Sina Ugo Antetokounmpo
the last 3 year run by giannis ngl has been ridiculous. so im not mad at that take, it just crazy to think that he's only 26
I would have put AD on this list when it was made but he ain’t making the cut,Shawn Kemp in his prime was a monster,Dennis Rodman is super underrated too.
Sir Charles was better than Malone by far. He just never had Stockton on his team.
Good list. May I suggest a few Honorable Mentions?
Shawn Kemp
Tom Chambers
Paul Silas
Maurice Lucas
Dennis Rodman
Horace Grant
Elvin Hayes
Kevin Love!!!
Rasheed Wallace!!!
Elton Brand!!!
Shareef Abdur Rahim!!!
Connie Hawkins!!!
A.C. Green!!!
Clarence Weatherspoon!!!
Derrick Coleman!!!
Chris Webber!!!
Dennis Rodman!!!
Draymond Green!!!
Chris Bosh!!!
Wanna say the party is on when the party jumping
Dennis Rodman”s resume is better than Anthony Davis’s not even including the bulls runs
I have giannis at 4,but I’m almost certain he’ll be 2 or even 1 by the time his career is over
My top 10 PFs in order
1. Timmy D
2. Giannis
3. Nowitzki
4. Barkley
5. Malone
6. KG
7. AD
8. Bob pettit
9. Kevin McHale
10. Chris Bosh
Honorable mentions: Elvin Hayes, Pau Gasol, Chris webber, Blake Griffin, Dennis Rodman, maybe Draymond and possibly LaMarcus Aldridge
It's amazing how much this position on the floor has progressed in the modern era.
The 4 spot used to be almost worthless. There were good players, but nothing like the past 30 years or so.
I remember in the 90s having discussion about who the best PF of all time was Karl Malone or Barkley.
Since then, the 4 on this list plus, you could certainly add Amare Stoudemire as well.
I agree on Giannis. He's probably the 2nd best already. Of course he's got a ways to go to catch Duncan, but he's done more than any other PF.
KG and Duncan are the only two even in Giannis's league tbh
You are mistaken my friend, Duncan is in a league of his own
Longevity does matter today’s players want to manage how many games they play regular season like 60 and they still are getting injured! Players from earlier decades played through injuries and didn’t get nowhere near the Supermax contracts of today!
Where's Dennis Rodman, Elvin Hayes, Chris Webber ?
Facts all three were better than Pau and unpopular opinion: I’d take Hayes and Webber over AD
Duncan is unquestionably the greatest *player* on this list. But calling him the greatest power forward kinda stretches the definition of a 4.
He played 63% of his NBA games at the 5. He was a 5 in college. Tim Duncan's a center.
People only call him a power forward because 1) he played the 4 when he first came up and the Admiral was playing the 5, and 2) folks want to give Duncan his flowers (understandably) and don't like putting him up against Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Dream, and Shaq at center.
Mine probably are
1. Garnett
2. Dirk
3. M*lone
4. Barkley
5. Pettit
6. Davis
7. Giannis
8. McHale
9. Hayes
10. Gasol or Sheed?
(I count Duncan as a C)
Best way of dealing with the horror that is Karl Malome ive seen in one of these listicle vids. Props.