I Joined the Dark Side and Bought a 3D Printer -
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For years I resisted the calls to embrace additive manufacturing. In 2020, my restraint crumbled and I bought a 3D printer for my shop. Here's what I bought, why I chose it, and how I modified it.
Ender 5 Pro: amzn.to/36sygMq
Amana Plastic Endmills: shop.carbide3d.com/collection...
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I wonder if he knows you or has seen any of your videos on deciding what printer to get. He can get better printing quality if he invests more time into the machine. I'm a big fan of yours, saw your videos when I first decided to buy a 3d printer 3 years ago. Went with the Anet A8 (because it was cheap and I didn't knew if 3D printing was for me) and after a couple of months saw myself spending a ton of money on improvements (such as E3D V6, capacitive sensor, buildtak, etc etc), later on I bought a CR10 which I also invested some more money into, but was enough to get a very small business started. After a while I realized I needed something more reliable and with top notch parts, so I bought the Prusa MK3S and after a year I just ordered my second one :D Still love your videos and I'm still waiting on the review on the PC Blend by Prusa! Happy printing!
3D printers are actually a great addition to subtractive manufacturing. They complement each other more than they repel... I use it for iterative design before I feel like breaking mills and for fixturing as well...
So far we've been getting the same machines on a similar timeline. FYI, your future laser cutter is amazing.
His future fiber laser cutter that can cut metal is even more amazing; I couldn't tell if he was going to invite us to his mansion with the HUGE shop and the swimming pool...
Hey I got my laser cutter on the day you wrote this ... Get of my security cams you peeping tom!
Just added an eBay 7w laser to the XXL wired directly to the control board using LightBurn to run the machine and laser.
You were the choosen one, you were said to destroy additive manufacturing not join it!
One thing you may want to look into is using a skr 1.4 board with 2209 drivers. You will be amazed at the difference in quality, you can microstep them down and the different in sound is night and day. Very easy to put the firmware onto it, there is already pre-made ones you can download and change a few parameters if you wish such as homing rates pre-start code or wipe code without having to put it into your slicer.
@Jason Smith Being honest, I'm not a big fan of their electronics. I find them very cheap and often giving off the vibe they sourced the cheapest materials. Their connectors for instance will pull away leaving the legs sticking out but connected to the cable you just took off, the green terminal plugs can twist while still connected to the board. Personal preference at the end of the day but I'd still recommend getting the 1.4 and 2209.
The force is strong with this one! Glad to have you on our team
Great attention to detail. I look forward to seeing your experiences using different filaments.
I enjoyed the insight on what you looked for in a 3d printer, thanks for sharing!
Love your voice over, clear and explains very well. a joy to watch
You are welcomed with open arms to the dark side. Looking forward to 3D printing videos now in addition to all your other great content.
MORE 3D PRINTING CONTENT!!! love your inside!!
A fine additivition to your workshop.
It never hurts to expand your manufacturing capabilities, whatever they may be. Nice build!
Winston, welcome to the club. I have had a 3d printer for 9+ years and would never be without one. I may not use it as much as I did but it's nice to have sitting on the bench so if a project comes up, (like a box for a electronics project) I can desgin and print it without waiting for the post.
Each of the tools has their place, and glad you added it. You will find that there are many ways to utilize 3D printing along side the machining and other tolls in your arsenal.
I love that the hinges are broken bits. bravo. Welcome to the dark side.
I waited a long time before I got my first printer and now I use it in almost every project. I admit that I've fallen into the "every problem's a nail when you have a hammer" mentality. I'm trying to get out of that though. Thanks for sharing!
Welcome to the other side of the road. Cube printers are a great choice space-restricted environment and easy to enclose. Now you have something that compliments prototyping and such quite well. Looking forward to more machining though!
Nice work on the mods - the walls look great! I have recently been looking at FDM for jigs and fixtures...
I'm so glad you finally got one! I knew as soon as I watched you make that car badge with the cnc that you would love to own a 3d printer. I also have the ender 5 and I love it. You may change your mind about changing your bed later though, as they tend to wear out very quickly and need to be replaced.
Welcome to the dark side... I'm actually looking at going the opposite direction. From 3D printing to CNC which is how I discovered your channel.
Have you thought about finishing 3d prints with your cnc to improve surface finish and accuracy. Possibly even printing fixtureing into the model that you would cut off with the cnc
I think he showed a 3d printed fixture on instagram this week. Not sure if I remember correctly
Very limited use case for me. If I have a print where I need that accuracy imparted by a CNC, the CNC could probably have machined the whole thing anyway. You have to go through the effort to register or index the print somehow on the CNC so it's more effort/chances for error. Also, if accuracy is that important and I'm using it in a functional way, I'd probably want to use not-plastic.
Welcome to the future buddy
Engineer here, I appreciate your way of thinking and considerations beforehand. I use also 3D printing together with CNC and non CNC milling. I think it is fully depending on the kind of project that you want to work on. Sometimes 3D printing is better, sometimes are other technologies better. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.
One also great device for some projects is a laser cutter. It made many things very easy for me.
Don’t worry Winston...I did the same thing during this lockdown. They’re a lot of fun.
No need to fear it. Additive and subtractive compliment each other beautifully. You’re going to find that having both makes everything a lot more efficient.
Man you are just brilliant man, New Sub man..
3D print clamps and fixtures for your CNC. Even PLA works amazingly well and you won't cringe when the mill runs thru one. Plus it saves your cutters!
I went through same exercise in trying to find a 3D printer. In the end, best option was BIBO2, dual head allows dissolvable supports / dual color, laser engraver for "etching" wood and such, out of box fully enclosed, fixed tabletop size, biggest print volume among other similar feature printers of about $700 (ie, flashforge)
Lol, "surprisingly ok" is an understatement to budget 3D printers. Like amazingly average.
I did the opposite, and started with a 3D Printer and then made an MPCNC from it. I went very cheap on the printer, but still managed to get a pretty good one. I haven't regretted either printer so far, though I can definitely see upgrading them in the future as I've used them more.
That habit from desktop milling machine when you put your parts on the corner of plate :D
Welcome to the additive club.
I had one for 2 years now... Best buy i ever did.
I laughed out loud when you used the broken endmills as hinge pins.
Nice! Welcome to 'the dark side'! I'm the opposite, started with 3D Printing and building my first CNC from scratch (RS-CNC32)
GREAT!!! Now you can 3d print your own blanks and route them to shape on the CNC!!! :P
Great start with a 3D printer. One of the first upgrades I did to mine was make a dry-box to print out of. (Google finds tons of them to choose from) Even PLA and PETG benefit a LOT from printing dry. And a dry-box is almost a requirement when printing more difficult materials like TPU or Nylon.
What are the odds... I’ve been following your channel for years and also finally decided to purchase a 3D printer last week, and it’s the exact model as yours
Just bought an Ender 5 Pro. Thanks for helping me not feel crazy. Got a thingiverse file set up for that hinge...?
Great proyect, congrats!
I would it like the Door handlers either up or down positioned so we can see straight throug the center the working procesos 👌
Reamers work great to cleanup 3d printed holes. Way better then drillbits. I love your carbide hinges :)
Love my CR10s. Helps with cheap mockups for FPV drones. I am to the point some of my parts are almost at the X/Y limit of the CR10S bef.
Doing TPU gopro mounts is a piece of cake.
what do you think about the artillery sidewinder?
You bought your Shapeoko 2 at the same time as me..... I have resisted for a while too.... bought a CR6-SE yesterday!
This is such a cool video because I have known a lot of 3D printing people to consider subtractive manufacturing to be the "dark side" of manufacturing.
lol, we got ours around the same time then. I wonder how I ever lived without it now. I held off for so long because most people showing off 3D printing only show useless trinkets
it's the useless trinkets that teach you things you apply to the useful projects..
@@twistedxknights sure it makes sense but it doesnt really show the utility very well prior to spending a couple hundred
Yep, mee too. Same model even. Now I just need to replace my old "Grabomat", since a 160x150x10 mm working space on a 25 year old cnc mill turns out to be not enough. I expect my 3d printer and cnc mill to upgrade each other step by step :-)
@Winston, would you be willing to share the STLs for your cable clips and hinges. I have poly-carb sides on the front, back and bottom of my printer and intend on adding doors on the front, but haven't gotten around to modeling them. Your hinges are exactly what I need...
BTW, I am a big fan of your channel and appreciate all of your efforts to share you adventures with us!
I like style of workbench,where can I found or buy this project for make one for me?
Good, I also have added 3d printing to my CNC Router as well. Really think they compliment each other although I think a cnc router is more useful at this point. Hopefull, 3D metal printing will come down in price to be affordable, that will be a true game changer.
So, is that a homemade workbench? Looks really nice!
Do you have a link to your parts on thingiverse?
Nice video. I think you should continue to include 3d Printing content... especially if you can combine additive and subtractive elements into your projects. That would be amazing.
if you wanna upgrade your bed the creality spring steel pei bed is awesome and would be easy to clean wood dust off of (cuz its smooth)
My biggest shame in the Shapeoko World is there's no place for my new Ender 3 Pro but square in the middle of my XL's sacred wasteboard. But the EP3 is very lightweight and I promise to get back to the subtractive world, but meanwhile, I'm starting to lust after a 3D resin printer. Damn You, AMAZON!!!
I had a 3d printer and sold it but will buy one again in the near future
Why didn't you use any T-slot fasteners for the hinges? :)
Ender 6 is a good one. It's not launched yet. I have the same purpose as you to learn but i am waiting for the ender 6 to launch. It has everything that ender 5 needed like enclosure, etc.
Where did you get the legs on your shop bench seen at around the 1 minute mark? I need these!
This is the kit I have: amzn.to/2ZOgodl
Little pricey for a table, but that same set I still use today. They'll never rot or split, and it makes it really easy to put together a reasonably square workbench fast.
As the material that I rely on is wood and not as of yet 3d printable I will have to stay with subtractive machining. However I do find the Jigs and fixtures that can be made with them an interesting Idea, I may have to put some time and money in that direction as well.
I would buy a kit of the upgrades you made!
I love how easy it looks like adding those panels to the Ender 5 is, I'm fine with my Ender 3 though. Also the print surfaces on Creality machines are great, really don't need any of the tape or gluestick stuff.
We got 5 Ender5 for our FabLab. If you ever design a top cover for it please post. Those help a lot with abs.
yippee welcome to the 3D printer owners club! Also if you want to try casting, they are a marriage made in heaven!
Best upgrade for it would be a duet wifi. Seriously turns a good printer into a awesome. Also you dont have to use ad cards you can just upload to it over the web app. Also you can Add a a auto bed level with it easily and cheap
I'd love to see a Winston Moy 3-P playlist or even a channel to discuss all things about 3D printers as I just took ownership of a previous member of the PwnCNC printer farm. It is a Anycubic i3 Mega S and I'm in the process of learning adaptive manufacturing myself.
FYI, be aware of humidity affecting your spools filament. Plenty of google-able tips on how to avoid printing problems from moisture content in the filament.
Just got BLTouch and installed for ender 5 pro. Works like a charm. You should blow the 50 bucks on it
I reccomend printbite as a great print surface
Congratulations on coming to the dark side. You can get the 3d printers to print higher tolerance. +- 0.001". But that is as good as they will get. I have both subtractive and additive machines. Both are amazing in their own ways. Both can make upgrades for each other.
I couldn't imagine fanboying over additive or subtractive manufacturing. Literally two sides of the same coin.
A 3d printer is a CNC machine. Why such resistance? 3d printers were the gateway to machining for me. Now have a shop full of machines, with a cnc router on the way.
For prints where I want a hole to be accurately dimensioned I typically align that to the Z axis. I find that my printer is usually making holes about .2mm under sized for whatever the reason. External dimensions along a perimeter are spot on but holes for say a 10mm hole will always be slightly under sized. Rather than playing with steps on the motors and settings I just scale my drawing slightly to account for it. A 5mm screw I will set the drawing to 5.1mm if I want the screw to essentially cut threads going in. Or 5.2mm if I want it to slide in.
Yeah, I need to do similar tests here to figure out the appropriate offset for dimensionally critical parts.
@@WinstonMakes i figure I have anywhere between 30-50 hours a month of printing time if not more. I look forward to your 3D print fixturing and how you might do setups for doing a zero then an a/b/c side of a work piece moving it through a fixture.
I bought a prusa mk3s to do prototyping of some ideas for my upcomg bike company velode.co . Considering that it was a kit, it has been an amazing machine and would be well worth getting as a second machine. I would say It’s almost a prosumer level machine - you could build a farm out of this machine -and out of darts (80units) and prusa (600+) are good examples of that professional level quality machine but priced for regular joe blow consumers.
3d printers are amazing af
Welcome to a new insanity. : ) Nice video. 3d printer is just another tool. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Hello, Winston. I enjoy your videos, and welcome to the dark side. Please consider adding a Hermera to your E5. I added one to mine and couldn’t be happier. I have the mount and part cooling fan designs up on Thingiverse. Free! During the almost non stop printing of head shield pieces the E5 and Hermera worked flawlessly. Oh, you can get rid of that top front crossbar. It mainly blocks the view. IMHO
Have you thought about attaching a 3d printing head to your CNC router and basically turning your router into a big 3d printer? The z travel will be pretty limited though
Welcome to the Dark Side. I use my 3D printers a lot more than my subtractive CNC machines. I'm currently wrapping up the design of a 3D printed enclosure for a new product. If it could be injection molded, the molds and initial production would be over $100K. Instead, I have zero lead time, no up front costs, and a very nice 110 X 60 X 130 mm enclosure with tons of custom features for $2.50 each. No inventory. I'll print them as I need them. My CNC routers and milling machine and lathes can't do that.
I recently bought the Shadow 5.5S resin 3D printer and the print quality is amazing. The resins are now more structural than FDM printed parts. It'll be great for printing a lot of small parts at one time. The print time is proportional to Z travel no matter how many parts are on the build plate. I have a manufacturing job in mind for it as well. 3D printers are a boon to makers, but also to small scale manufacturers.
Resins are anisotropic, and have better tensile strength than PLA if stressed 90° to layer lines.
So far i am unaware of resins that can compete with PC.
why not a sidewinder x1 ?
Welcome to the dark side winston.
The only one you should have is sainsmart 300 . Ender 5 pro filled with problems. Have to upgrade everything
Additive manufacturing is the future
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE MACHINE WE CALLED WINSTON!?
He got caught out in the rain last week and fried a circuit, so we hired a maker-impersonator on Fiverr. Clearly they got some things wrong. Winston will be back in a couple weeks.
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I’d like to know your opinion of the onefinity. There is little to no info on the machine or company.
That's because it's their very first machine and genuinely no one knows. Might be an okay machine, might have some bugs to work out at launch. That's just a risk that comes with the territory.
Welcome to 3D printing :) should have bought the Prusa Mk3s but what's done is done all you have to do is put more hours into 3D printing and learn the slicing profiles.
You should consider covering the top as well. I understand that could be difficult with this printer, but that would also help out.
I thought the same, until at the end he put it in the bottom of his bench, effectively covering the top except for like a 1/2" gap.
You should at least make a few video’s with it. Now you got us all excited!
Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck are the true villains !
im interested in 3d printing, but i want to find software to create the pieces needed first to learn the software first before buying a printer. any suggestions on the software? not the software used for the file to use with printer, im referring to the software the piece is actually made in.
i looked at corel cad, but the want a monthly fee for software usage.
thanks for any suggestions.
Fusion 360 for hobbyist is free, that's what I use primarily and I highly recommend
@@YukonK9 thank you, have been viewing the endless list of software available
Love both 3D printing and CNC . Their power combined is the ultimate power. I want a laser too!
Adding a laser would be the Maker's trifecta... and/or maybe a waterjet :D
@@WinstonMakes Take a look at this channel. He has fitted a spindle and laser to his 3D printer.
ruclips.net/channel/UC_scf0U4iSELX22nC60WDSg
It kind of got me wondering if I could fit a 3D print head to my CNC engraver. It would give a large working surface, but not much depth.
@@No1sonuk you would need a heated bed
3d printing is great! But it'll never replace a cnc for strong parts or large volume parts. 3d printing is great for small volumes, small parts that print quickly for functional stuff like your hinges, mounts, cable management etc. Or parts that are hard to do in 2.5D cnc toolpaths where strength isn't an issue. Looking forward to 4d printer projects!
you have so much talent you could use to 3D printing lol
Welcome to the Dark Side.
We have cake!
You need to build an hypercube :-).
oh.. another garage that will never see a car inside it...
Garages are for workshops, why would you put a car inside it?
I'd have recommended the Ender 5 pro plus since it has automatic bed leveling, a larger printing area and improved bed stability abs only costs a few bucks more.
There's the 5, 5 Pro, and 5 Plus. 5 Plus doesn't have the upgraded motherboard and is also too large for my tables. Not sure why Creality didn't do a 5 Plus Pro...
Ok, I don't own a 3D-Printer but I still find it strange that they aren't enclosed! Even if you aren't in a windy garage, you'd probably still want the printer protected from the ouside so that dust doesn't gather in there or other detritus :(
still not clear to me why you saw this as a weakness... 3d printers have a few things in common don't they. Anyway, you will love it, the more manufacturing techniques you know and have access to right :)