Jo Frost Looks at the Murder of 11-Year-Old Joe Geeling | What Possesses a Child to Kill?
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- At 7pm on March 1st 2006, police and volunteers in Bury, Greater Manchester began searching for Joe Geeling. The popular 11-year-old boy, who suffered from Cystic Fibrosis, was missing. He was last seen outside the school gates. At 10.30am the following morning, Joe’s body was found in Whitehead Park. He had been bludgeoned and stabbed to death. His killer? Fellow pupil, 14-year-old Michael Hamer.
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Do you mean that you have a continuance to know more about Michael Hamer and a release from prison ? Also whether he has now got remorse for what he did ? Hate to think he is released without realising how sinister his actions were against another child and have no remorse too.
I love Jo Frost in this role. Excellent!
@@marygoff3332 She gives off an unusually (for a true crime show host) maternal vibe when talking to witnesses and loved ones
@@sadem1045 Yeah because she was ``Supernanny.''
Anything you put out with Jo Frost in, I'm THERE. She's incredible.
Oooh my gosh, please keep Jo Frost on. This is her calling. I know no other TV personality that's as passionate about children as her.
Jo Frost is an amazing.person helping hundreds an hundreds not familys in life. ❤🎉
The dad saying “we were spoiled, we had him every day.” Such a heartbreaking statement.
i lost my mom when i was 16 (of course not the same thing) and i spent years and years being angry and grieving because she was all i had. one day i realized how lucky i was to have had Her as my mom and for 16yrs. it really is how you look at things in life that paves your quality of life moving on.
as i said, in my case its a different scenario. im a mom now and i understand how precious every second is. i wish more people would realize that!
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I lost my Son last june 2nd ,and am trying to be gratefull for the 26 years he both blessed and challenged my life ..I would not trade a moment ,not even the hard ones ...
@@tleemf6923I'm so truly sorry for your loss. 😢
I absolutely understand what you're saying.
My oldest has been extremely challenging at times, he's in his 30's.
When a couple days go by, if I don't hear from him I so worry.
He lives a "dangerous' lifestyle. I so worry.
I pray for you to always remember those wonderful, happy moments with your son. ❤❤❤
@mynameiseve.1 I lost my dad when I was 16 and I just recently was able to embrace the fact I had him for 16 years when some people never have a dad. I've been able to finally go back to those memories and sit in them and enjoy them. ❤
I love Jo Frost in this role! I watched her as Super Nanny for years.
She really is amazing!
@@TrueCrimeCentral YES, she is! I'd love to see her in more true crime stuff!
💯 I love Jo in this role. She’s awesome
Same. I grew up watching her my whole childhood. When I seen this I never clicked on a video so fast. Nanny Jo will forever have a place in my heart.
Why she’s not a parent she has no experience raising kids she just started a family
That teacher who got the letter, read it, KNEW WHAT THE OTHER KID WAS TRYING TO DO, ABSOLUTELY HAD AN OBLIGATION TO AT LEAST call the child's mother to let her know that another child was trying to lure her child into something dangerous. She should ABSOLUTELY be held accoutable for that.!!! Instead of just saying he shouldnt have followed the other child.
this was something that does not make sense. also. several people knew the connection why was this lad not interogated? immediately, or his house searched,??? made no sense.?? that school has a lot to answer to!!! I am sorry. they let both boys down.
Probably a catholic school, they only taught the kids that were from a wealthy family.
Also, why did he have a frying pan in his bedroom?🤷♀️
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I felt when the fire alarm went off, that Teacher should've grabbed his hand taking him away with her.
I’m sure that teacher lives every day thinking of everything she should have done differently. But we have 2020 hindsight. She told him not to go with the boy, but who thinks a 14 year old is a murderer, and she probably at the time thought that would persuade him not to go and that would be enough. Maybe they all got separated in the fire alarm. Kids filing out everywhere and teachers who have jobs to do in a practise fire alarm. I hate people piling on innocent people in stories for not doing everything perfectly without the benefit of hindsight.
Be kind.
It's so wrong that we see these tragedies and everyone says that "he was bullied at school for years". Why was nothing done? Why do schools even have faculty if they can't do their jobs?
what are they supposed to do? parents need to teach their kids how to respond to bullying
@cheery-hex Obviously, school faculty is supposed to discipline children as needed. I don't know why that would be difficult for you to understand.
That’s the main problem…bullying is at an all time high now because the kids are too scared to tell anyone or end up doing a follow through…even the school does nothing, all they do is ‘try to keep them separated’ or ‘don’t have them work together’
How can you if everyone else is with their peers & the teacher isn’t available to help you with the project…I can say being bullied was taken seriously when I was in school…it’s sad that schools don’t really care & take it as ‘it’s part of being a teen & growing up’ 🤦♀️
Bullying is not new. There are levels to it as well. I do think some kids are more likely to do aggressive things in response to it where others deal with it go thru the emotions of it and move on until it occurs again. Most do not end up being murderers…
I always wonder about that too. What's the point of having "adults " present if they don't even do the jobs that's required of them. I know I wasn't protected from my bullies even when I reported it to staff and teachers.
Jo Frost did a wonderful job in this! I hope she'll have more opportunities to explore her journalistic talents!
She reminds me of Ann Rule (RIP). Yes, I agree.
She is a journalist??? Wow
We all have the capabilities to be journalists by researching and reporting on something that interests us and others,@@nallelycasadoslopez1138. Jo's specialty is child psychology and she has a lot of experience, which makes her perfect for reporting on this story and others like it.
Agreed‼️
Bullying is so damaging to children
Yeah I'm 40 and still get anxiety leaving the house. It was so bad for so long, 4th grade until I dropped out before 11th because I couldn't take it anymore. They were also in my neighborhood so I couldn't really leave the house without getting it too.
@@zzzroxyzzz , That is so horrible for you. I hope you find healing so you can overcome the anxiety that your experiences in life has caused you. To feel calm going out getting out and about again in society. 💜💜 I know someone that is 25 and has had bullying at School. His Mum changed his Schools in the hope things would get better for him but they didn't. 4 different Schools and the bullying got worse for him. She took him out of School in Year 8. He is isolated in a small town and his only friends are via the internet which he made over the years playing games online. It's soul destroying knowing that others are responsible for the fear it created within him to venture out in his own town. Schools never do enough where bullying is concerned and Parents don't do enough when they know their kid is a bully.
I was bullied so hard in middle school, by my peers-and some of my family-to the point that I had sworn off having kids into my twenties because I feared they may look like me and I would watch them go through what I did. I struggle with my self-esteem still, but I’m trying to learn to appreciate my face and even my heritage. But I have anxiety on silly things… my husband tried to get me to dance with him, but that induced a panic attack. I still shy away from most things feminine. My agoraphobia is still only managed through medication, unfortunately.
@@Loveofmisery , I am so sorry that you went through that. I think it's important to overcome the things we don't like about our looks and accept them with love. Everyone has something about their face that would love to be different. It is hard finding that self-esteem once it has been driven away so hard by horrible people. Find your worth, it's important and to love yourself. Your husband saw the beauty in you so you need to acknowledge that. You should be enjoying a dance with your husband as no one else in the room is important other than him. Enjoy fun times and the life you have now. You are not your past.
I was bullied from first class to last class , that still effect me Im now 65 years old, still alone no real friends 😢
From what I can find on the web, Michael is still incarcerated. I do find it mind blowing that in the UK these dangerous offenders when released, are given a new identity. I find that very scary for the community to not know who they are dealing with
Yeah it definitely is unsettling . A lot of people in the u.k. Do not like this and really hate it. Worse part is the victim’s family are never aware they been released with new names and locations. I learned about this many years ago from a case from the U.K back in the early to mid 90s. Two boys 11 and 10 took a 3 year old boy from the mall and took him to a train track and brutally killed him. One of the killer, was cold, has no empathy, literally thought it was fun. Those boys were released, I believe early 2000 with new names and location. The one who thought it was fun , has been in trouble since he got out several times. I believe it was something similar in nature of what he was charged with. Its appalling. If I’m not mistaken he was given another identity again.
@@brandiehammondJamie Bulger. I remember it very well😢😢😢?
Again???????
@@brandiehammond😢
I can see how in some cases it could be really important fora young person to be able to start again. I think the police keep an eye on them.
As an Australian, it makes me think of the convicts who eventually got out of jail and had fairly successful, ordinary lives in colonial Australia.
Not all are, it depends on the parole board, we have life of ten years but they have to be seen by a parole board and then we have life that means life
There's a brightness about Jo, it doesn't change the heartbreaking tragedy but I feel like it is a good fit for her to tell the story of this young victim/little boy.
wasn't she a tv nanny?
@@lilmisskiss692003yes she was
She’s just kind. And she has empathy. And it radiates.
She loves children so much, and it really shows in her personality and her voice. It is sad, yes, but her genuine sympathy and compassion is so strong in this. I love her so much!!
@@lilmisskiss692003yes she had a show but she really was a nanny for years before that
I never would have expected Supernanny to cover true crime, but this is incredible work. It’s so refreshing to hear someone who actually understands and cares about children discussing cases like these.
I never had a good home life until my grandparents took permanent custody of me I was bullied in school abused at home had no father in my life until I lived with my grandparents ❤️ all the abuse I withstood made me tell myself I would never treat my children as I was
I have 3 I was there for them and still am
You make your life
That’s right… made you a better person and human being even you’ve been through a lot… same as me…
I had a terrible childhood my mom was the abuser, my dad was in the military and hardly home. My mom would beat us with anything she could get her hands on, she even chased us kids with a butcher knife, I remembered we escaped out the widow. I was also bullied because I’m half Asian, I withdrew into myself and never talked in school. I learned to pity the bullies, they don’t matter.
@@kathleenzinkovitch4050The bullies do it for a reason. They are abused at home at lot of times.
I chose to not repeat the abuses I suffered as a child. My sister repeated what was inflicted on us. Not everyone makes the right choice.
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I love Jo Frost!!! She’s so compassionate. I really love seeing her do this type of work, giving the victim a voice. Heartbreaking tragedy to have happened but Jo is helping the world to remember this sweet 11 year old boy. RIP
Why do schools continue to let children bully other children? This is not okay! Please teach your children it is not okay to bully .
I agree, my daughter was bullied a solid year in that year I met with staff, I met with the child’s parent. When nothing was getting better I started telling my daughter you’re gonna have to fight back, if you feel threatened and you latch onto her and don’t let go. Granted I didn’t want that to happen but what else could we have done? The day she beat her bully up and the school called to let me know she would not be suspended it all stopped. Never had anyone ever bother her again. Of course she cried she never wanted to hit anyone but sometimes you have too.
Psychological bullying done by girls can be a lot harder to spot just by casual observation.
I grew up in a dysfunctional home in that my dad moved us all around the country so much so that I never felt I belonged anywhere. Being the new kid in school so many times I couldn't count, other kids did bully me because I was so different. However, it's quite a stigma among children (especially in my generation) that we didn't want to be a tattle tale by telling on the kids for their bullying. That would've made things very much worse. For this reason, I believe there's quite an element there that we simply do not tell on our peers and become a tattle tale.
It isn't the easiest job in the world. Try it out and see how hard it is. Bullying is everywhere and there is no real consequence for it. Bc it is so prevalent in the school system. I worked with kentucjy public schools for 10 yesrs as a sub. At times taught primary middle and high school kids. Would highly recommend everyone try it and see how difficult a job itnis. Your hands are often tied with what you can actually do to discipline atudents.
Why is it okay to teach human beings that there is one greater than another? That's the question, one to be thought of deeply.
Jo Frost is so well suited for this type of journalism. Her empathy & personality are brilliant! Hope she does more of these crime documentaries! ❤
The one thing I remember about my classmates funeral in 1993 was how small his casket was and how in there was his body with a bullet hole in his head from an accident and how the men so easily carried him like he was a box of groceries. So weird how things stick in your mind 30 years later
I know that feeling. My brothers best friend lost his 18 month old son Jacob. Jacob was in a small white coffin. My brother was a ball bearer. There were four men carrying that box. What went through my mind was just a few days ago, Jacob was carried in his mommy’s arms. How contrasting that was. Jacob died o SIDS. So tragic.
The poor lad had enough on his plate with cystic fibrosis.
Condolences to his family and community. I cannot imagine how his family must feel.
Terrible loss.
Yes, his life expectancy was already lowered due to CF, and he most likely spent a lot of time doing breathing treatments and pulmonary therapy. I noticed that tiny little casket right away. He was probably smaller than the other kids due to CF also, making him an easier target for this monster. Now we have medication that helps many CF patients and he may have been able to take that and improve both his quality of life and extended the life expectancy closer to normal. I hope that he is resting in peace and I am certain that he is watching over his sweet family and friends!!! 💜
Jo is so down to earth and knowledgeable about kids..she talks sense
I love the casual and warm way that Jo interacts with people. She has a way of connecting with strangers on a personal level. Love her!
Bullying is psychopathic in it self ! Where are the adults to guide the kids to be better humans ?
Often times the parents are bullies themselves 😢
They probably have similar problems and mentality with them, since they might be the ones that taught them
They are bullying the kids. That's where it comes from.
I can't keep from thinking that if that false fire alarm hadn't gone off, the teacher who had been questioning the boys may have been able to avert what ultimately happened. Then again, Hamer was clearly obsessed and might have just waited for another opportunity.
So incredibly heart broken for poor little Joe - how frightened he must have been in his last moments 💔💔
What possible reason could there be that Joe’s body had to remain at the crime scene for two nights? What a cruel thing to do. Wonderful to see Jo again. She’s amazing. She’s intelligent, caring, compassionate and she listens!
There was a lot of forensics, some of which takes more time because of it being cold.
Yes. I've never heard of this.
Remember that this was nearly 20 years ago, and forensics were not as advanced as now. They had to carefully go through everything to make sure nothing was missed. It's not like an episode of Bones where she has the body brought back to the lab.
Has anyone gone and interviewed the killer as an adult?
Great question
Not having a father is no excuse, nor is being bullied.
So sorry that Little Joe's life was snatched away. May his memory always be a blessing to those who loved him.
I think people either have it in them or they don't. I know two siblings who were abused, neglected, and abandoned by both parents... one went on to live a wonderful life, with children, a spouse, and a career they love, and the other one is just a strain on society.
I'm not sure. Because even when raised in the same family and born with the same genetics, and surely with (slightly) different personalities, children experience different things in life. One could have gotten an understanding teacher and the other one didn't. One could have been a*sed slightly worse than the other. You never know what the tipping point is. Even in hindsight it can be difficult to lay the finger on it
How is he a strain on society? Maybe society was a strain on him.
What's so sad about that is the one that let's it hit them harder are softer hearted and more tender but it turns into rage at some point
@@phoenixdavida8987Well said!!! It is on me😂😂😂
Hi Jo Jo. I’m glad you’re doing this reporting.❤ It’s so important to expose the truth about child abuse of every way .
Interesting to have Jo Frost in that role with all her experience with difficult children / difficult parents, etc. Love and education are so important in building well balanced individuals
I was bullied in school from the same girls but I fought back stopped being afraid of them and found out they were getting abused at home and now I'm grown I'm a mother and grandmother and never did I get a thought to harm anyone ,it made me stronger to be whom I am today a lot of love ❤ 😍 💖 ❣ 💕 💘 😊
I just can't understand this. When i was in middle school, so 13, i used to go to the elementary school and read with the younger kids. I felt pride in helping younger kids learn something. I have two boys 14 and 15. They are always really nice to younger children. They are too old to play with their peers (they "hang" out now) so have kind of grown out of that, but they will play with the younger kids just to make them feel accepted. They will even play barbies with their little sister, even though they arent into barbies, but they do it just so she doesn't feel lonely. They play with my neighbors 2 year old nephew just to give him socialization (theres no kids that young in our neighborhood). They will talk to and listen to younger kids and try to mentor younger kids and teach them. They have friends their own age that they hangout with all the time, but they are always very nice to the younger kids when they are around them. I just cant wrap my head around a 14 yo doing this to a younger child. At that age, boys should be maturing and taking on more of that mentoring role.
Not all children are the same. And sometimes life sets up children for failure.
Being bullied doesn't make a person a killer.
Being autistic or neglected doesn't too
Why do people think that because they are children, they can't be murderers? when there are a lot of cases around the world
Because it's incredibly hard to grasp that someone so young and innocent, could be capable of something so deranged
They’re too young to know and be evil. Normally children are innocent until things happens to them.
I love that Jo interviews the fellow student in such a relaxed, comfy setting 💕
I'm sorry but the impression I got was that the girl just wanted her moment of fame. She didn't really add to the story at all. Why weren't the school teachers interviewed? Lots of "experts" but nobody who really knew him and
I'm only five minutes in and my heart is hurting from hearing this
Sweet boy lived well, played hard and got in a lot of living 🧡.
Its always hard to see a casket so small like that…
Ive only seen one in my life and i cry thinking about them still…
Terrible 😮 I'm glad I've never seen it in real life!
Jo has the right kind of empathy to understand children and humans in general. Heartbreaking story though.
Question is where was the teachers? They had to know Michael was bullied and social distant.
They probably thought he was strange too, and didn't want to deal with him either unfortunately
Telling the victim what to do. Not their fault he didn't listen.
The theme that lacked a deeper look was: Bullying. I remeber my youth, and this theme in all our youths. Then also the social aspect that "school" and school dynamics never really end. Socialisations. Way back in late 2000's there was a focus on bullying and stopping this.... guess it never did. I can only point to *the movie Ben X, in regards to education on bullying,* and making people stop and think twice. Ben X is a 2007 Belgian-Dutch psychological thriller film based on the novel Nothing Was All He Said (Dutch: Niets Was Alles Wat Hij Zei) by the film's director Nic Balthazar. It stars Greg Timmermans as a teenager with Asperger syndrome who finds solace in the MMORPG ArchLord as a result of severe bullying. The film's title is a reference to the leet version of the Dutch phrase "(ik) ben niks", meaning "(I) am nothing". The novel itself was inspired by the true story of a boy with autism who committed suicide because of bullying.
*Bullying kills.*
And I believed we had learned to look out for this red flag and deal with it. Professionals in the fields of child care, and health.
There is a twist in the movie, a plot twist, which I can't give away.... but more or less this movie has a happy ending compared to the novel.
And like this there are many more movies, and novels that deal with the topic of bullying and why it is bad.
Fun fact, most bullying happens with people "just being funny".... aka making fun of .... just for fun and laughs, and not "to hurt" they say.
@schiffelers
Sadly, bullying is not restricted to children in schools. There is a great deal of adult on adult bullying and adult on child bullying. Occasionally even children on adult. There is something about schools that appears to, if not encourage or condone bullying, makes it fairly easy to perpetrate.
Thank you. I'm from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
@@yvonnedeboer7535 Graag gedaan. Mede Nederlander hier
I agree with that last part, but my son and several other kids just don’t react in the way that typical kids react. Instead of laughing and letting it go, they protest and make a big deal of it. And this reaction is what the bullies think is funny, so they keep doing whatever it was. It is truly heartbreaking! 💔
@@cindyhoomalu1566 1. What is the age group of your son and these other kids?
2. In what way do they react atypical?
3. Laughing and letting go is not always the best way to deal with these things, silence like a cancer grows.
4. Are they making a big deal out of it if it is actually bullying what is taking place?
5. It's the reaction the bullies want to provoke so they have their entertainment to take their focus away from their own depressing lives and personal insecurities.
6. Moral disengagement is often what takes place in spaces with bullying.
Albert Bandura, amongst others, or similar Dr. Zimbardo's Lucifer effect.
Moral disengagement is a cognitive process that allows individuals to behave unethically while bypassing their internal moral standards. It involves eight specific mechanisms that disconnect moral standards from actions:
1. Moral justification: Rationalizing unethical behavior by framing it as morally acceptable.
2. Euphemistic labeling: Using mild language to mask the true nature of actions (e.g., calling theft “borrowing”).
3. Advantageous comparison: Comparing one’s actions to worse behaviors to minimize guilt.
4. Displacement of responsibility: Blaming external factors or authority figures for one’s actions.
5. Diffusion of responsibility: Sharing responsibility with others, reducing personal culpability.
6. Distortion of consequences: Downplaying the harm caused by unethical actions.
7. Dehumanization: Viewing victims as less than human, making harm easier to inflict.
8. Attribution of blame: Blaming victims for their own suffering.
These mechanisms allow individuals to act unethically without feeling distress, maintaining a positive self-image. To prevent moral disengagement, awareness and ethical reflection are crucial.
That poor kid didnt have a chance..everyone lost here
Such a tragic story😮 my condolences to his family and may he continue to rest in paradise 🙏🏽😇🙏🏼🌹
I could listen to Jo Frost all the time with her reporting on the case. It was an excellent job, much much better than others who report on cases dragging it out, with their comments and assumptions about the people involved. Well done Jo thank you, I hope to listen to you again.
This is a GREAT role for Jo ! I really respect her and her immense knowledge of child development .
Such a sad thing. It breaks my heart to hear this story. Jo did an amazing job at presenting
So glad to see Jo in this role. Love her input
Jo Frost is multi-talented. Her experience and compassion makes her uniquely qualified for these documentaries. I'm looking forward to more of her presentations.
Jo is absolutely amazing. Please keep her in this. Not only does she love children but she is so good at counseling others. Jo would have made a wonderful LMFT
The girl describing the boy, Micheal, is putting more emphasis on her interpretation on how he was and how he made her feel due to what she knows now because of what happened. So, it is hard to get a true all factual interpretation of someone. I can't believe that bullying is still a problem in our schools. Where in the heck do we draw the line and state this is enough! Where is the school staff? The parents to help the child? We, adults have to stand up for the kids that are helpless in defending themselves emotionally and physically. There must be more strict consequences when bullying is present. I can't believe not one classmate couldn't stand up for another. I was and still am the one that sticks up for people, children too no matter where I am or who it is. Where is the help that the kid needed? Thank you and God Bless!
It still goes on. My son went from private school to public school & got bullied, took him out & put back in same private school. & his 2 previous friends turned against him, he got pushed down by a former friend, ruined new uniform pant , scuffed up shoes badly, he decided to fight back & he got punished, but not the other kid. Teacher said to him, in front of whole class "We didn't have any trouble until you came back." He was the smallest child in his class. I spoke with the teacher, pulled him out, we homeschooled him for 5 years, until he wanted to go to high school. When we pulled him out the principal threatened us with a meeting & jail time if we didn't show up in her office on a certain day. I got a lawyer who called her when zi was in his office & told her how wrong she was & wanted an apology letter in the mail to us or else. We got the letter in a couple of days.
From what I hear from younger relatives in the US there is a tremendous amount of bullying in schools. I don’t get it either.
@@jerisharpe906So sad. Glad you were able to fight back in some way.
My son is 13, and on the autism spectrum, and he is bullied relentlessly. His academic skills are very good so he is in all regular or honors classes, but his social skills are a few years behind. We are military, so we move every few years. This last year starting a new school for middle school was awful! He has made a few friends, but the kids who pick on him don’t stop. Then my son gets in trouble because his reactions are loud and over dramatic. The bullies are quiet and don’t get caught. I just can’t understand why none of the teachers seem to notice this.
That young woman's description of little Joe's funeral gave me goosebumps
Perhaps being taunted every day at school messed him up. And adults failed him monsterously.
This super nanny will never give up on the world's children. May Mother Nature bless her.
May the family please accept my condolences, may Joe’s memory be a blessing.
Great to see you here Jo. You would have great insight to this.
The way she interviews. Wow. So powerful.
Wow...Jo is awsome !❤ Thanks for the video.
I SECOND that ⚖️ ♎
We're happy to bring you this series! More on the way :)
My sister recently passed and Jo always reminded me of her
This is just extremely devastating... 😥😓
This can make you cry. So sad two boys destroyed.
Do we have an update on this case? I’m in the U.S. & it’s the first time I’ve heard about this. I do hope Joe’s family is doing ok and his k-ller is still behind bars.
Apparently, he is still locked up
The laws in the UK are very lenient. 15 year’s for killing someone is like a slap on the wrist……
So heartbreaking. My daughter has CF.
Love this woman. Such a kind compassionate heart for children and knowledge of child development facts.
The perpetrator was completely let down in life. Poor children on both sides.
This story made me cry at the end. Sweet young boy - RIP ♥️
thats soooo sad poor kid he was only 11 😪
And already having CF unless he had a lung transplant he probably would have passed later on anyways, but being taken so early when he still had plenty of time to live
And already having CF unless he had a lung transplant he probably would have passed later on anyways, but being taken so early when he still had plenty of time to live
Why? Jealousy. Joe had it all in Michael’s eyes and Michael had nothing but abandonment, rejection, bullied, isolation.
It's really sad
It sounds to me like it was out of anger and fear. He was already humiliated and hated by most, but had found solace in the group of younger boys. But now he was about to be outed as gay to them, and everyone in the school was going to hate and mock him even more. I'm sure there was a lot of pent up anger in Michael from his upbringing and years of bullying. Joe rejecting him and telling him that he was going to tell his friends that Michael was gay was the last straw. The humiliation of it all caused Michael to snap. Poor little Joe. He sounds like he was a sweet trusting boy.
More like envy
This story reminds me of James Bulger. 😥
Was that the darling 2 year old kidnapped from a mall and killed by several boys brutally 😢 that really devasted me was so little 💔
So many interventions that almost saved this little boy, but in the end he couldn’t be saved 💔
Micheal is free has it is 2024. While I appreciate the coverage of this story. I would like for them to have discussed more of Michael relationship with his mother and family.
By saying Michael had problematic childhood because of his father leaving and bullying is vague and generic.
12yrs ?!?! Is that a joke ? After what he did to a vulnerable young child!vile
For a show that focusses on children not being born "evil", it mostly stuck to that narration and focussed mostly on the victim. Which is also a very sad aspect. But 2 lives got wasted. "Deranged teen" included. The word that for me was missing was: REPRESSION in this and as an explanation for Michael Hamer's behavior. With the anti-social personality disorder, there are 2 labels mentioned specifically as well. But neither get fleshed out. It's not like Michael can no longer be evaluated, or re-evaluated. Autism & Psychopathy. We don't dig into the bullying he suffered, nore the bullying he did. It did sound like him getting bullied came first, before he would have bullied. We mention it, but then at the same time gloss over it: Not all people bullied turn into "killers", but most killers have been bullied. I guess society always needs a monster to point at, and not admit the biggest monster is faced in the mirror. The broken society. Our socializations and environmental exposures.
Thank you! This documentary, however well done, leaves us with a lot of those topics and questions indeed.
An autistic person never k*lls without some level of antisocial personality. We aren't k*llers. And a lot of people lump us in with them because of the way we act.
So many could’ve stepped in we just don’t look at others as much as we should. I was a single parent and that made me more determined to let my child know how important he was. Mom should’ve done a little more to let him know that he was loved and didn’t matter what the world said as long as he knew it.
Some kids are simply born evil, others are turned evil. If it’s the latter, it’s even more sad.
Why did we not talk about the boy's mom
how horrible & tragic 😭 i can’t imagine, i feel awful for everyone who loved him, especially his family.
I want her to do a call back to some of the kids she personally dealt with. Where are they now? Did her ways take ? Did they work long term? That i want to see
More of JoJo pleeese!! Loved it!
Dont panic, we got more episodes of this series on the way!
Super nanny!? Yessss let's go🙌
It's terrifying how he plotted it all out and then circumvented the plans to stop him.
I can't stand bullies,I have no empathy for them, nothing, I'm cold as ice when I realize a child is a bully. I leave all the "oh but he's had a rough life,oh but he doesn't have a dad, oh but his mom has cancer.." to other people. I couldn't care less if he was just a head on a plate. I am totally disgusted of them. I said horrible things to any child who tried to bully my kids, I put my kids in Karate three times a week to be absolutely sure that they could defend themself if needed. I told my kids NEVER to start a fight but to hit back much harder ONCE, if a bully hit them. It worked. My boys,especially the youngest got a reputation of "don't hit him he hits back REALLY hard". I also told my kids I'll deal with any concequences if they hit much too hard, but no parents ever contacted me so I guess every bully survived. My kids have much friends now as adults and not ONE of them is any violent or continued with karate as adults. I'd do EXACTLY the same over again, and will pay karate lessons for my grandkids. Choose someone else to bully, not my family.
Wow I never thought I see Jo in this type of role. She’s a really good EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD nanny counselor as she actually builds a credible life for others and repairs broken homes to harmony.
In this role it’s very different from what she normally do and she excelled at it. I’m totally wowed 😃 sucha gr8 job she did like she’s been doing this forever.
Just like her nanny job she put her whole into it, her perception honest as always without cutting corners she tells it like it is. She’s such a blessing for us all 🥲🤗
I wasn't expecting to see Super Nanny but i dig it
Watching Jo made me realize the mistakes my parents made.
Why don't adults/techers put a stop to bullying. Why are these adults merely onlookers to what is unmistakenly a situation of deep suffering of a young student?They're partially accountable for the events.
Because for some reason the idea that they pedal is "just ignore them and then they'll stop"
There's plenty of children brought up with one parent
Yeah and many of us don’t turn into a killer. Same with being bullied. Both two bad excuses.
And plenty of those children are in jail or dead
Plenty of those children are on the streets. Children need both of their parents to raise them right and give them love.
The fact that his dad rejected him and he was rejected in school messed up that boy.
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Even his mom.He had no relationship with his mom: Their parents need to spooked too of them having let this happen!
@@d3bzvnzyl_12plenty of successful people and I mean emotionally who are raised by single parents
Literally nothing more was said about his mother than she worked and they didn't get along. There's a huge hole there. She was his primary "caretaker".
She probably refused to participate in any interviews, and was probably incredibly ashamed that her son killed someone
Minimum 12 years! BS. 😡😡
16 times??😮😮😢
Im sure he could'nt taken it anymore, so he started speaking out and giving it back. I just do not like how that girl sitting on the couch said he brought that negative attention to himself. This boy may have done something horribly wrong, but it seems he has been suffering for a long time, and it was over looked.
Then it turns to online bullyng harassment
I have always enjoyed watching Jo Frost as the Super Nanny. Watching this showed me a totally different side of Jo. Her journalistic side showed great emotion and compassion for everyone involved in this case.
I am sending out my thoughts and prayers and love to his family and friends I am really! So very sorry for your loss 😢 💔 even though it was a long time ago he is gone way to soon he is gone but he will never be forgotten
💔🕯🕊 😭 Condolences to the family and friends. 😢
Who wasnt bullied? I can tell you that an absent father is better than a bullying one. Being bullied at home and at school leaves you no where to go.
At any point someone could've helped the " strange" kid and maybe this wouldn't have happened but nope ppl are cruel....I love how ppl witness others getting bullied and yet they continue to be like oh why did they snap ummm bcuz bullying changes you its a form of abuse!!!!!!
He was a psychopath. Nothing more to it. It wasn't the bullying. It wasn't the parental abandonment. It was desire turned up to eleven and he didn't know how to handle romantic rejection. If a boy who had been rejected by his peers, why would he react in such a way to a romantic rejection if he wasn't a psychopath? Yes, everyone around him failed to ensure a safe environment, however he still chose to end a life.
Most people who are bullied, neglected and abandoned don't unalive someone. Soooo... Has to be something turned on his brain. Psychopathy.
Hi i always use to watch your episodes with the kids , its great . But this story was on another level,so heartbreaking. I still dont agree with the outcome of Michael's sentence , he had ut all planned that's why he was so focused on Jo. Hes out of prison today in hes 30's he need to be watched closely. Rip jo you'll never be forgotten lad
Jo Frost is a great example of a woman that truly Loves children🙏🙏🙏
Negative school environments, peer connections, and family dynamics. A perfect storm.
This is the first that I’ve seen Joe Frost has done. I used to watch her in Super Nanny. I hope Joe continues this series!
Great job on this Jo! Such an awful tragedy.
it is so sad that bullying brings a young boy to this precipice ... unfortunately no one in schools do anything about bullying ... so sorry for both their fates :(
I love that Joe is on here it is perfect for her and I appreciate her