He basically says "The Captain (Pellew) regrets very much the circumstances that we part in, and wishes to always have your personal friendship, despite any conflicting international relations."
The attack by the Spanish frigate on the supply ship is not in the book, and it makes no sense. According to the dialog in the intercut scenes, Spain has just broken an alliance with Britain and declared itself *neutral* in the war between France and Britain. Hence, to attack a British ship, even a mere supply vessel, would be an act of war. It also makes no sense that a ship at sea would have been informed of this before ships in port. radios did not exist at this time. Furthermore, Captain Foster's seniority to the commander of the supply vessel is irrelevant. King and parliament had placed the other officer in command of that ship and Foster was no more than a passenger, with no authority whatsoever. good examples of this fact can be seen in the book, Admiral Hornblower, and the movie, PT 109, where senior officers indeed, commanding officers, can not assume direct command of vessels from their designated captains. This kind of thing so often happens when screenwriters try to "improve" on their source material, especially when the story involves military affairs and the screenwriter is utterly ignorant of such matters.
haha yes I understand:) yes, the duel is good, but I think "the duchess and the devil" is one of the best, because it is there horiatio find archie again and you really see their friendship
I am trying to understand the ranks of the British Navy. A midshipman is the equivalent of a cadet. Acting Lieutenant does not exist in the US system. Lieutenant, depending on 8 years or less or more, would be the equivalent of Second LT (O1) or First LT (O2) in the US Army. Commander would be like a captain (O3) in the Army. Captain would be either Major (O4) or Lieutenant Colonel (O5). A Commodore would be a Colonel (O6).
Midshipman here is the most junior officer, like a final year naval cadet. An Acting Leftenant is a midshipman who has temporary rank equivalent to 2nd Lieutenant in order to carry certain duties. If he shall pass an examination from 3 captains (now a board) the commission is permanent. Mr Bush is a First Leftenant the first time we see him, in the US system he would have been a Commander. Hornblower at the time was a third officer with the rank of Third Leftenant - Bush is the senior so he gets to be the first mate.
Comparing this to US Army ranks is a little useless especially at this period but if that is the best way to do it: Captain = Colonel - Captains of course commanded ships but could also serve on admiral's staffs. Commander = Lt. Colonel/Colonel - the rank of Commander was more or less giving a commission of captain of a small but not super small ship but not the full rank of captain. I'm actually fairly certain it as a temporary rank and you would either be promoted to captain or revert to a lieutenant with seniority. Lieutenant = 1st Lieutenant - Lieutenant Colonel = Lieutenant was more broad in this period than it is now, but lieutenant was being more so used as the term of subordinate really, with different lieutenants performing different tasks based on their seniority, the ship's 1st Lieutenant being the XO of the ship like a Lieutenant Colonel is deputy commander of a regiment but that same 1st Lieutenant could become the 2nd or even 3rd if more senior lieutenants came on board. Midshipman = Cadet / 2nd Lieutenant - Basically Midshipman are officers in training, you could even refer to them as warrant officers, they hold official functions on the ship but expected to be learning and studying the entire time so they can pass their examination for lieutenant. A midshipman of sufficient seniority and skill can be moved to the position though of acting-lieutenant if it is needed, this of course would also provide any midshipman a bit of an edge when it came to their examination as they would have more practical experience at command. As for Commodores that is a tricky thing, you can consider them like a brigadier general, but the nature of a commodore fluctuated throughout navies but in its most basic form it generally was a captain of seniority who was given a flag officer rank, commodore, to command a squadron of ships generally on detached service. If a commodore did well they could become a full fledged read admiral which is a official rank which would be equivalent to a major general. Now the US actually realized that this older ranking system did not integrate well with their army ranking system at the beginning of the Civil War, where the navy and army needed to work together so they created navy ranks below to match their equivalent army ranks. Captain = Colonel Commander = Lt. Colonel Lt. Commander = Major Lieutenant = Captain Master = 1st Lieutenant Ensign = 2nd Lieutenant
I can't believe there aren't more films covering this era. I have all the Hornblower films on DVD, all the Sharpe films on Blu-ray, Master and Commander 2 disc special edition DVD, Waterloo (1970) on DVD....but after that I am struggling to find Napoleonic era TV or movies. Any recommendations?
Bernard Cornwell realized how popular the adaptation was, he wrote in later books that Sharpe ran from home to Yorkshire before being caught by a magistrate and conscripted into the army in India.
I wonder why Sir Edward didn't know how to speak French, unless he earned his knighthood through bravery in battle instead of being from the landed gentry.
Pellew did not speak French, it was no longer necessary or common among the gentry. He won his knighthood by capturing the commission documents of a French captain, the first of the war against France. Pellew did not even finish school as he joined the Navy around his early teens. Even Hornblower learned French from an emigre (the white coats he helps in episode 4) and not through conventional education.
I was told HMS Indefatigable was a 64 gun 3rd rate ship that was converted to a 44 gun frigate, its seem to have shrunk a bit. (ok, I’m being a tit, I just checked, but I recently listened to Lt Hornblower on Audio books, compliments of RUclips)
I belive the series is set just after the French revolution on Nepoleons raise to power 1790s. He will eventully block the English from acsess to all European ports , or so ive learned from Ytube !
RUclips is a LOUSY source for any info! It’s 1804 as Napoleon had been sent to prison island. I read all author CS Forester’s novels on Horatio, he even wrote “The African Queen.” Paul O’Brian wrote over 20 sea novels about “Lucky” Jack Aubrey. I live on a sailboat here in Hawaii and captain 50’ two masted schooners to Tahiti and other superb destinations. If you don’t understand sailboat language you will never be able to understand their writing. But…Go for it!
Can anyone tell me, can a superior officer take command of a ship like that? And if so, shouldn't Foster have been court-martialed for the loss of the supply ship?
that is captain hammond and if u think about it optimistically, hammond challenges foster to a duel at the end of the episode, and think he killed foster because he shows up in later episodes
It is highly unlikely they duelled , as they are actually friends and colleagues just mad at each other. Hammond appears later because it is a plot device for his nephew to appear.
yay!!! i finally got to see this!!! i tried to get it on a site that has shows that you may have missed, but that took like 20 mins to load and it only got to play for THREE MINUTES until it froze.... thanks funnyflyingdutchgirl!!!! :)
Sharpe served on land, far away from the coast. He is also much older than Hornblower, having been a veteran before even arriving in Europe from India. They could have met in Corunna, although Hornblower seems to be fighting on the other side of he peninsula.
Wait a minute....shouldn't the rank in question be Leftenant, not Lieutenant? They didn't start using Lieutenant in the British Navy until some time after this I thought.
You raised interesting question. I looked at Wikipedia (the most trusted name on the Internet!!!!!!!!), the rank of lieutenant was mentioned on 11 April 1856. But it does not mean that the rank had not existed before. Who knows! "Leftenant" is the British way of "Lieutenant", even though the writing is exactly the same.
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He basically says "The Captain (Pellew) regrets very much the circumstances that we part in, and wishes to always have your personal friendship, despite any conflicting international relations."
Rewatching the series now.
This episode is one of the best in the whole serie.
LOVE HORNBLOWER!
Wow, when I heard the theme song my heart just LEAPT! It's been a loooong time since I've seen this. Good stuff.
"Yes all right, all right, I think we've quite established our friend the Duke's eminence."
What else does it say?
The attack by the Spanish frigate on the supply ship is not in the book, and it makes no sense. According to the dialog in the intercut scenes, Spain has just broken an alliance with Britain and declared itself *neutral* in the war between France and Britain. Hence, to attack a British ship, even a mere supply vessel, would be an act of war. It also makes no sense that a ship at sea would have been informed of this before ships in port. radios did not exist at this time.
Furthermore, Captain Foster's seniority to the commander of the supply vessel is irrelevant. King and parliament had placed the other officer in command of that ship and Foster was no more than a passenger, with no authority whatsoever. good examples of this fact can be seen in the book, Admiral Hornblower, and the movie, PT 109, where senior officers indeed, commanding officers, can not assume direct command of vessels from their designated captains.
This kind of thing so often happens when screenwriters try to "improve" on their source material, especially when the story involves military affairs and the screenwriter is utterly ignorant of such matters.
Stopping mutiny with a knife...thats soldiering.
Wedge Antilles, gone from piloting X-Wings to captaining supply ships.
OptimusWombat, damn. Good catch.
@@sternwheeler But His Nephew became a Jedi Master.
He isn't captaining the supply ship. He is a passenger on his way to his ship, the _Dreadnought_. 🎂
Excellent series.Love those sailing vessels.
haha yes I understand:) yes, the duel is good, but I think "the duchess and the devil" is one of the best, because it is there horiatio find archie again and you really see their friendship
Holy shit?! Denis Lawson was Wedge in Star Wars AND was Ewan McGregor's Uncle?! LOL I never knew!
i got called a geek recently for watching hornblower, but it's fucking ace! you can't go wrong with it
I love the outfits of this period, people really had a sense of style.
yes alright alright i think we've quite established our friend the duke's eminence
It's like that Sharpe scene "George the Third by the Grace of God of England and Wales, blah blah blah"
I am trying to understand the ranks of the British Navy. A midshipman is the equivalent of a cadet. Acting Lieutenant does not exist in the US system. Lieutenant, depending on 8 years or less or more, would be the equivalent of Second LT (O1) or First LT (O2) in the US Army. Commander would be like a captain (O3) in the Army. Captain would be either Major (O4) or Lieutenant Colonel (O5). A Commodore would be a Colonel (O6).
Midshipman here is the most junior officer, like a final year naval cadet. An Acting Leftenant is a midshipman who has temporary rank equivalent to 2nd Lieutenant in order to carry certain duties. If he shall pass an examination from 3 captains (now a board) the commission is permanent.
Mr Bush is a First Leftenant the first time we see him, in the US system he would have been a Commander. Hornblower at the time was a third officer with the rank of Third Leftenant - Bush is the senior so he gets to be the first mate.
A Commodore is an old rank few actually get in today's navy. In the US it has been replaced with Rear Admiral (lower half)
Comparing this to US Army ranks is a little useless especially at this period but if that is the best way to do it:
Captain = Colonel - Captains of course commanded ships but could also serve on admiral's staffs.
Commander = Lt. Colonel/Colonel - the rank of Commander was more or less giving a commission of captain of a small but not super small ship but not the full rank of captain. I'm actually fairly certain it as a temporary rank and you would either be promoted to captain or revert to a lieutenant with seniority.
Lieutenant = 1st Lieutenant - Lieutenant Colonel = Lieutenant was more broad in this period than it is now, but lieutenant was being more so used as the term of subordinate really, with different lieutenants performing different tasks based on their seniority, the ship's 1st Lieutenant being the XO of the ship like a Lieutenant Colonel is deputy commander of a regiment but that same 1st Lieutenant could become the 2nd or even 3rd if more senior lieutenants came on board.
Midshipman = Cadet / 2nd Lieutenant - Basically Midshipman are officers in training, you could even refer to them as warrant officers, they hold official functions on the ship but expected to be learning and studying the entire time so they can pass their examination for lieutenant. A midshipman of sufficient seniority and skill can be moved to the position though of acting-lieutenant if it is needed, this of course would also provide any midshipman a bit of an edge when it came to their examination as they would have more practical experience at command.
As for Commodores that is a tricky thing, you can consider them like a brigadier general, but the nature of a commodore fluctuated throughout navies but in its most basic form it generally was a captain of seniority who was given a flag officer rank, commodore, to command a squadron of ships generally on detached service. If a commodore did well they could become a full fledged read admiral which is a official rank which would be equivalent to a major general. Now the US actually realized that this older ranking system did not integrate well with their army ranking system at the beginning of the Civil War, where the navy and army needed to work together so they created navy ranks below to match their equivalent army ranks.
Captain = Colonel
Commander = Lt. Colonel
Lt. Commander = Major
Lieutenant = Captain
Master = 1st Lieutenant
Ensign = 2nd Lieutenant
4:44
the captains exchange stares
LOL!!
Does anyone else think that Foster seems slightly insane in this? Getting everyone killed instead of trying to run?
while he was right in knowing they could not get away (like the rice ship Hornblower raids) he could have surrendered at least.
im not kidding C.S forester is my great grandpa im his great grand son chris forester
Congratulations...what do you want a cookie?
Whether or not he was your great grandfather is not concern of ours.
But he was a great author.
its a great series, please finish it..... avid american fan. you know, the colonies......
im glad my great grampa wrote the books the movies aren't as good as the books tho
I can't believe there aren't more films covering this era. I have all the Hornblower films on DVD, all the Sharpe films on Blu-ray, Master and Commander 2 disc special edition DVD, Waterloo (1970) on DVD....but after that I am struggling to find Napoleonic era TV or movies. Any recommendations?
I did know that... since I am a HUGE star wars nut - which is why I mentioned Wedge :-)
@Asasello333 Sort of. But in the books Sharpe was from London and not Yorkshire.
Bernard Cornwell realized how popular the adaptation was, he wrote in later books that Sharpe ran from home to Yorkshire before being caught by a magistrate and conscripted into the army in India.
Incidently, this reminds me of Zapp Brennigan and his desperate struggle against the Neutrals.
This series should have continued, perhaps as all the Patrick O'Brien novels as well.
Ioan "Reed Richards" Gruffudd.
Denis "Wedge Antilles" Lawson.
I wonder why Sir Edward didn't know how to speak French, unless he earned his knighthood through bravery in battle instead of being from the landed gentry.
Pellew did not speak French, it was no longer necessary or common among the gentry. He won his knighthood by capturing the commission documents of a French captain, the first of the war against France. Pellew did not even finish school as he joined the Navy around his early teens. Even Hornblower learned French from an emigre (the white coats he helps in episode 4) and not through conventional education.
Good description of the 'Almighty'...neutral.
Holy-.. It is! I would never have noticed! Thanks a bunch!
Why would they call you geek for watching this?!?!? I think it's brilliant!
thank you for uploading these
I was told HMS Indefatigable was a 64 gun 3rd rate ship that was converted to a 44 gun frigate, its seem to have shrunk a bit. (ok, I’m being a tit, I just checked, but I recently listened to Lt Hornblower on Audio books, compliments of RUclips)
thank you very much for your kind sharing
I belive the series is set just after the French revolution on Nepoleons raise to power 1790s. He will eventully block the English from acsess to all European ports , or so ive learned from Ytube !
RUclips is a LOUSY source for any info!
It’s 1804 as Napoleon had been sent to prison island. I read all author CS Forester’s novels on Horatio, he even wrote “The African Queen.”
Paul O’Brian wrote over 20 sea novels about “Lucky” Jack Aubrey. I live on a sailboat here in Hawaii and captain 50’ two masted schooners to Tahiti and other superb destinations.
If you don’t understand sailboat language you will never be able to understand their writing. But…Go for it!
Fuck I love Pellew
Thanks so much for posting these!
Can anyone tell me, can a superior officer take command of a ship like that? And if so, shouldn't Foster have been court-martialed for the loss of the supply ship?
he would have, but cleared of any charges. The frigate, he rightly assumed would have chased them down in any instance.
@hollywoodwerewolf well, that would be my guess, too, especially since "Pellew" isn't exactly an aristocratic title.
His last name is Pellew. Sir Edward Pellew, later Viscount.
@@SantomPh sure, but I‘m pretty sure he got knighted and earned those other titles because of his naval accomplishments, not being born into them.
@@raylast3873 definitely. He was a warrior
Turn on captions.Enjoy the randomness.
We have heard the horns in the sky. For real.
Or Acting LT = O1 and everything would shift up. So a Commodore would be a Brigadier General (O7)
@baroquemusician1 in the books he learned french as wel as spanish
@MrSatireTube but all Pellew ever does is protect Horatio from catching any flak.
As you get older ,you may find that a good thing.
don't know about that
i like hornblower
and i aso like sharpe as well
there should be a hornblower movie from the 1950 as well
you do know that denis lawson (wedge) is ewan Mc gregors uncle
that is captain hammond and if u think about it optimistically, hammond challenges foster to a duel at the end of the episode, and think he killed foster because he shows up in later episodes
It is highly unlikely they duelled , as they are actually friends and colleagues just mad at each other. Hammond appears later because it is a plot device for his nephew to appear.
Denis Lawson--Red Two standing by!
Since when did Hornblower learn French, or was he faking it during the Duel?
In those years most officers knew the languages of the rivals or enemies.
2:26 well he messed up LOL
yay!!! i finally got to see this!!! i tried to get it on a site that has shows that you may have missed, but that took like 20 mins to load and it only got to play for THREE MINUTES until it froze.... thanks funnyflyingdutchgirl!!!! :)
@c4melot24 he always growls. When he was little, he accidentally drank some really hot water and ever since, well...
Some of those actors looked a little green around the gills. Poor buggers.
Shouldn’t it be leftenant ?
they should have done an Episode where Sharpe and HORNBLOWER meet
Sharpe served on land, far away from the coast. He is also much older than Hornblower, having been a veteran before even arriving in Europe from India. They could have met in Corunna, although Hornblower seems to be fighting on the other side of he peninsula.
The same thing happened to me! lol.
Explains why robert baratheon got annoyed by titles
Wait a minute....shouldn't the rank in question be Leftenant, not Lieutenant?
They didn't start using Lieutenant in the British Navy until some time after this I thought.
You raised interesting question. I looked at Wikipedia (the most trusted name on the Internet!!!!!!!!), the rank of lieutenant was mentioned on 11 April 1856. But it does not mean that the rank had not existed before. Who knows! "Leftenant" is the British way of "Lieutenant", even though the writing is exactly the same.
vote up if your a fan of Ioan Gruffudd! :D
Kazz Crockett wow
hehe... it's Wedge!!
What you want ^__^!
two years later.... nothing :(
@montypython11111 the accents weren't real on sharpe?
and the sense of honour
I'm aware of the UK pronunciation actually.
I wonder how that linguistic shift happened anyway?
Kind of an interesting thought.
The first time i had seen this i had thought they were going to toss the spaniard over the side.
It's not all rum, bum and consertina!
.. In the naavyy!
spanish look hectic.
get him over the side....with dignity
lol
it is sharpe with a posh accent and some gay manners, but he gets away with it.
well, he was ok when he took a bath tho.lol..... just had to do that.
Yep :)
suuuuure he did
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why would he need to speak french to get his knighthood?
Because in those years France was the dominant power in Europe.
@@humbertoflores2545Isn’t it Spain? It has colonies in the Americas + Philippines + Guam at the time.
6:39
Hmm interesting
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え？「HMSユリシーズ」を3億ドルかけて映画にするってえええええ!!!!!!???????(幻聴が聞こえたようです)
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