Love how all the officers under Pellew knew his heart and mind and tried to forewarn Hornblower of his thoughts towards Foster, yet he (for all of his instinct) failed to pick up on it at first, yet eventually realises why, and it then develops his character even further. Absolutely superb screenwriting.
The REAL Captain Pellew was a REAL hero and a frigate captain. That Hornblower is aboard the HMS Indefatigable with Captain Pellew (Historically, an aggressive frigate captain) was a great literary device. I honestly loved the series.
I love the way personal interactions are so understated in these period dramas. "I believe I may have offended you earlier" is the *emotional* line, haha.
Foster is that type of Officer who charges into battle with blind bravery and reckless regard for the lives of their men, so that they can win medals and bathe in their own glory.
Yes, though his career is based upon those of Cochrane and Nelson, rather like Jack Aubrey in Patrick O'Brian's later series of books. My English teacher recommended Forrester and my local bookshop owner recommended O'Brian. I prefer O'Brian as his books are better researched and have more atmosphere. That said, it helps that you have a nautical dictionary to read his books - quite a learning curve! Forrester's patriotic and duty bound Hornblower is a bloody good read nonetheless.
Foolish and hasty. There was no reason that the Spanish ship couldn’t have taken all (including their supplies and a supply ship) prisoner with minimal casualties. But with a fool at the helm of both vessels, all is lost. Damned foolish. What a waste of life.
"I'm pleased that the Spanish have been deprived of our supplies..." He should have added, "I'm am regretful however of the loss of life." I have a feeling that Pellew was upset that Foster had been so reckless with the lives of the men on that merchant ship.
Mr. Hornblower was being asked to make a choice. To err on either side would have been clearly seen as indecisiveness - and political doublespeak wouldn't have fooled anyone at that table. Perhaps a better approach is to proclaim ignorance, or to one's own inadequacies, while at the same time appealing with admiration to some positive attribute of Capt. Foster's - in so doing avoiding comment on the tactics.
the Spanish ended up paying for their treachery towards England. In 1808, 6 years after this, Napoleon forced the Spanish king to abdicate and placed his own brother on the Spanish throne. The Spaniards rose up in rebellion, and parts of the royal government, including the Supreme War Council declared war on France and allied with England. They spent the next several years fighting a guerilla war with Napoleon in Spain and Portugal, aided by the same British they had betrayed.
@richardcadbury Yeah, a real living human being, I think is what you were saying, besides the fact that his character did befit a real man. Lived from 9 April 1757 - 23 January 1833, was the 1st Viscount Exmouth, and a Baron. He actually owned a property and a tobacco plantation in Maryland, United States of America and part of the town of Annapolis stands on what was, before the revolt of the colonies, the estate of the Pellews. I read up on him in Wikipedia, check it out, he's pretty cool.
It's a sort of aristocratic thing. The upper class was supposed to remain in control and full of poise, even if they weren't actually either those things. This is pretty universal among most aristocrats across Europe, as well as the British Isles.
Bicorne hat with gold lining and golden badge = captain Bicorne hat no lining , badge= Leftenant/Commander, officers of Leftenant and above Round hat = midshipman Brimmed, small hat = crewman. Often optional given their duties Royal Marines wear different kinds of hats depending on duties. The typical marine wore a small top hat with curved brim, their officers wearing full top hats or bearskins and artillerymen wearing smaller hats
@theWall0719 It would also be a dick of a Captain who wouldn't let Hornblower answer the way he did... although he would certainly have a right to feel offended.
It is odd for midshipmen and leuitenents to dine with the captain. most officers would eat in their respective wardrooms of which a captain could only enter if invited,
Love how all the officers under Pellew knew his heart and mind and tried to forewarn Hornblower of his thoughts towards Foster, yet he (for all of his instinct) failed to pick up on it at first, yet eventually realises why, and it then develops his character even further.
Absolutely superb screenwriting.
God I loved watching this when they first aired, the wait in between ugh, but so worth it. nothing even comes close to this anymore on TV.
The REAL Captain Pellew was a REAL hero and a frigate captain. That Hornblower is aboard the HMS Indefatigable with Captain Pellew (Historically, an aggressive frigate captain) was a great literary device. I honestly loved the series.
I love the way personal interactions are so understated in these period dramas. "I believe I may have offended you earlier" is the *emotional* line, haha.
Foster is that type of Officer who charges into battle with blind bravery and reckless regard for the lives of their men, so that they can win medals and bathe in their own glory.
Yes. Midshipmen wore rounded hats more like a bowler with a taller center.junior officers wore hats different from the captain.
A similar production team should do the Patrick O'Brien Aubrey/Maturin series. With a huge budget. Who wants it? Amazon or Netflix.
Yes, though his career is based upon those of Cochrane and Nelson, rather like Jack Aubrey in Patrick O'Brian's later series of books. My English teacher recommended Forrester and my local bookshop owner recommended O'Brian. I prefer O'Brian as his books are better researched and have more atmosphere. That said, it helps that you have a nautical dictionary to read his books - quite a learning curve! Forrester's patriotic and duty bound Hornblower is a bloody good read nonetheless.
Foolish and hasty. There was no reason that the Spanish ship couldn’t have taken all (including their supplies and a supply ship) prisoner with minimal casualties. But with a fool at the helm of both vessels, all is lost. Damned foolish. What a waste of life.
"I'm pleased that the Spanish have been deprived of our supplies..." He should have added, "I'm am regretful however of the loss of life." I have a feeling that Pellew was upset that Foster had been so reckless with the lives of the men on that merchant ship.
Mr. Hornblower was being asked to make a choice. To err on either side would have been clearly seen as indecisiveness - and political doublespeak wouldn't have fooled anyone at that table. Perhaps a better approach is to proclaim ignorance, or to one's own inadequacies, while at the same time appealing with admiration to some positive attribute of Capt. Foster's - in so doing avoiding comment on the tactics.
If only we had the same grace today as they did then, honour, decency and duty.
I like Captain Pelham, he seems pretty decent in all matters
it`s Pellew
the laced bicorne is a captain, the plain is a luitenant and the round hat is a midshipman
the Spanish ended up paying for their treachery towards England. In 1808, 6 years after this, Napoleon forced the Spanish king to abdicate and placed his own brother on the Spanish throne. The Spaniards rose up in rebellion, and parts of the royal government, including the Supreme War Council declared war on France and allied with England. They spent the next several years fighting a guerilla war with Napoleon in Spain and Portugal, aided by the same British they had betrayed.
Always had a strong sense that Hornblower had Captail Pellew as his rolemodel, right?
The real life Pellew is equally accomplished
Bowles was ready to throw down.
@richardcadbury Yeah, a real living human being, I think is what you were saying, besides the fact that his character did befit a real man.
Lived from 9 April 1757 - 23 January 1833, was the 1st Viscount Exmouth, and a Baron.
He actually owned a property and a tobacco plantation in Maryland, United States of America and part of the town of Annapolis stands on what was, before the revolt of the colonies, the estate of the Pellews. I read up on him in Wikipedia, check it out, he's pretty cool.
It's a sort of aristocratic thing. The upper class was supposed to remain in control and full of poise, even if they weren't actually either those things.
This is pretty universal among most aristocrats across Europe, as well as the British Isles.
the captain as second only to god... and that was only down to service time
Some say the Command Master Chief/Chief of the Boat for all intents and purposes IS God
@@chrismc410 Nope - on a boat, the Chef/Cook is god
Anger them and they will curse you with bad stomachs
@@Trek001 Sounds more like a devil, but point taken 😸
Wedge doesn’t give a fuck about his crew. Lol
pellew really hates foster doesnt he lol
The actor who played Hornblower is wonderful in this series, but has been a failure in every role after this.
Not that a Royal Naval captain would have the King/Queen clapped in irons his ship or not mind you if he liked breathing.
Too many commercials. Excellent Program though.
@Lanniish i think Mathews says "below er..." which with other sounds overlayed sounds like Hornblower
@Wikipediot Minus the maggots of course nowadays. Or at the very least minimized.
Do officers' hats mark their rank as well?
of course.!
Bicorne hat with gold lining and golden badge = captain
Bicorne hat no lining , badge= Leftenant/Commander, officers of Leftenant and above
Round hat = midshipman
Brimmed, small hat = crewman. Often optional given their duties
Royal Marines wear different kinds of hats depending on duties. The typical marine wore a small top hat with curved brim, their officers wearing full top hats or bearskins and artillerymen wearing smaller hats
@@SantomPh thanks very much!
@theWall0719 It would also be a dick of a Captain who wouldn't let Hornblower answer the way he did... although he would certainly have a right to feel offended.
I think the hats have some meaning...which one I have absolutely no idea, but I guess they do.
Aren't Bosun's whistles still in use today?
Only traditionally
apology is noted... lol far from accepted it sounds
EdMcStinko: He gave him that. Which was much more than he could have hoped.
It is odd for midshipmen and leuitenents to dine with the captain. most officers would eat in their respective wardrooms of which a captain could only enter if invited,
Pellew did invite all the officers to sit at the table, which is why he told Hornblower to tell all of them
@50TNCSA It is meant too be loud.
@BoniBee kiding right?
funnyflyingdutchgirl rocks
@BoniBee i mean it is pellew
CURSE THAT BOSUN WHISTEL TOO LOUD IT BE
Cheers for that Leonidas K. Polk flag.
hornblowers fictional, right?
Yes