The Surprising Reason Why Plato Hated Innovation

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  • Опубликовано: 28 янв 2025

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  • @bi.johnathan
    @bi.johnathan  6 месяцев назад +8

    Instead of ad reads, my channel is funded directly by people passionate about the Great Books. Help me keep making more episodes with a paid subscription: johnathanbi.com
    Some links to further guide your study:
    * Join my email list to be notified of future episodes: greatbooks.io
    * Full transcript: open.substack.com/pub/johnathanbi/p/transcript-for-intellectual-history
    I drew heavily from Benoît Godin's work (affiliate):
    * Innovation Contested: amzn.to/3Wpp8n9
    * My book notes: www.johnathanbi.com/p/innovation-contested-by-benoit-godin
    TIMESTAMPS
    00:00:00 0. Introduction
    00:07:28 1. What is Innovation
    00:12:03 2.1. The Classical View: Plato
    00:17:22 2.2. The Classical View: Innovatio
    00:20:54 2.3. The Classical View: Machiavelli
    00:24:47 3. The Reformation View
    00:29:28 4.1. The Modern View: Utility
    00:32:24 4.2. The Modern View: Quantification
    00:34:19 4.3. The Modern View: Increase of Knowledge
    00:34:36 4.4. The Modern View: Innovation Rehabilitated
    00:36:57 5.1. Prescriptions: Innovation as Fetish
    00:42:14 5.2. Prescriptions: Critique of Technological Innovation
    00:51:12 6. Girard's Philosophy of Innovation
    01:09:47 7. Conclusion

    • @KitaJabig
      @KitaJabig 6 месяцев назад

      Cover your nipples

    • @mianilsson3550
      @mianilsson3550 18 дней назад

      Johnathan, please, explain how to understand the Russian genocide of Ukrainian citizens, and why the democratic values not work to stop this violence???

  • @brandonsballing826
    @brandonsballing826 5 месяцев назад +16

    Forget everything else, you need to give speech tutorials and strategies, as every aspect of your speeches are flawlessly perfect.

  • @Marcus-Lim
    @Marcus-Lim 6 месяцев назад +45

    I love the classrooms you choose, true environments of learning.

    • @chenxixiao4015
      @chenxixiao4015 6 месяцев назад +2

      Anyone know where it is

    • @n9o
      @n9o 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@chenxixiao4015 the description states it is the university of Austin

  • @123axel123
    @123axel123 3 месяца назад +6

    Innovation makes people forget discussing good and evil. So many good points in this lecture

    • @coreyrachar9694
      @coreyrachar9694 2 месяца назад

      Evil resides in the gaze that sees evil in all things.... or whatever.

  • @vinodpractical
    @vinodpractical 5 месяцев назад +6

    You blew my mind away. I was not ready for it.

  • @DESCOLAPSO
    @DESCOLAPSO 6 месяцев назад +9

    Brilliant, Professor Johnathan. Congratulations. I shared the link to your class with my Master's students in Behavior and Consumer Sciences at ESPM (São Paulo, Brazil) where I teach Strategic Analysis of Future Scenarios with an emphasis on Innovation. I also included it in the playlist of inspiring videos on my modest RUclips channel. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. Best regards. - Flavio Ferrari

  • @DenzelCierra
    @DenzelCierra 6 месяцев назад +10

    Great work, Mr. Bi - I used to listen to a podcast called, "Philosophize This!" and now onto yours.

  • @BioRoot
    @BioRoot 6 месяцев назад +4

    Can’t wait to binge these! Glad you started posting again

  • @dialogos585
    @dialogos585 5 месяцев назад +2

    This is wonderful. I have worked with a colleague who is an innovation evangelist (as a business consultant) and it has been challenging to find a way to question the value of an incessant push for the New. In reviewing his latest book, I asked him where does Wisdom come in? Or aims that are transcendent? The question of meaning is helpful. Someone already suggested a dialogue with Pageau, I second that! And perhaps Vervaeke too. Thank you for sharing your brilliance with us. I always learn a lot.

  • @ruatarengsicolneyrengsi8924
    @ruatarengsicolneyrengsi8924 4 месяца назад +4

    Terrific lecture. For technology, you could add Neil Postman's book
    ' Technopoly' in your reading list, if you haven't.

  • @benbusinovski2937
    @benbusinovski2937 6 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks, Jonathan. This lecture inspired me to deep-dive into Russian Formalism and Natural Language Processing text mining of some classic texts.

  • @stevenmatetcho3229
    @stevenmatetcho3229 6 месяцев назад +24

    I’m your biggest fan From Ghana 🇬🇭 Africa.. 😊. I’ll come back to watch this once more anytime someone likes 👍 this Comment

  • @TThomasCPA
    @TThomasCPA 6 месяцев назад +8

    Incredible content that no one else is out there sharing. Thank you for your work!

  • @zando5108
    @zando5108 6 месяцев назад +17

    Dark Academia Final Boss

  • @danielnyongesa7541
    @danielnyongesa7541 6 месяцев назад +8

    Thank you Jonathan. I hope you don't start charging the videos. The Girad class was epic

    • @newyorkalb
      @newyorkalb 6 месяцев назад

      Lol all this information has been for free the last 400 years if only you had the will or intellect to grasp it…

    • @danielnyongesa7541
      @danielnyongesa7541 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@newyorkalb we encounter such knowledge by chance sometimes.

    • @abdulaiyakubu7942
      @abdulaiyakubu7942 4 месяца назад

      He made it more easier to grasp

  • @utkarshsingh7204
    @utkarshsingh7204 6 месяцев назад +4

    Wow my best time spent on RUclips is on your videos your video on genealogy of morality changed my perspective on life

  • @furqanabbasi1549
    @furqanabbasi1549 6 месяцев назад +13

    Currently my favourite philosophy channel after the great Michael Sugrue ❤️❤️

    • @faiqalishah1713
      @faiqalishah1713 6 месяцев назад +5

      He might be the new Sugrue coz his way of articulating the ideas is very similar,walking back and forth and throwing
      philosophical daggers.

    • @asantekwabena5827
      @asantekwabena5827 6 месяцев назад +2

      Same

  • @johncolinhalbig
    @johncolinhalbig 6 месяцев назад +6

    Incredible lecture as always! Have you heard of Jonathan Pageau? I think a conversation between the two of you would be fascinating. Keep up the great work.

    • @Verulam1626
      @Verulam1626 5 месяцев назад

      I asked him this personally once. He does know of him, but I fear the latter would be suspect of the former.

    • @Verulam1626
      @Verulam1626 5 месяцев назад

      Hard to see how, but Bi is largely what Pageau warns us of

  • @Psyfertospsb
    @Psyfertospsb 6 месяцев назад +21

    Wake up Johnathan dropped another video

    • @bi.johnathan
      @bi.johnathan  6 месяцев назад +8

      Merch idea: Pet rooster that crows whenever I drop a new lecture

    • @simonnilsson5356
      @simonnilsson5356 6 месяцев назад +11

      @@bi.johnathantoo innovative

  • @TheKingsTimeMachine
    @TheKingsTimeMachine Месяц назад

    I think of Nicholas Nassim Taleb whenever i hear the word "Modernity" ❤... Great lecture sir ❤

  • @bextv2526
    @bextv2526 6 месяцев назад +1

    I hope this genre of conent finds the right people and hopefully grows the space. I hope one to attend your lectures

  • @Sid_vj
    @Sid_vj 6 месяцев назад +3

    Viewers rocked, John Rocked

  • @Erish_7
    @Erish_7 6 месяцев назад +54

    i miss the suit

    • @bi.johnathan
      @bi.johnathan  6 месяцев назад +55

      It was middle of summer in Dallas when I filmed this last year, I plead for a pardon kind sir

    • @Erish_7
      @Erish_7 6 месяцев назад +16

      @@bi.johnathan Has a woman who knew she was well-dressed ever caught a cold?
      - Friedrich Nietzsche

    • @j.l.w9563
      @j.l.w9563 6 месяцев назад +6

      Na, it's chad Johnathan. Get used to Chad Jonathan.

    • @justinleemiller
      @justinleemiller 6 месяцев назад +5

      Still looks like a million bucks

    • @testing-vj2ke
      @testing-vj2ke 6 месяцев назад

      @@Erish_7 no, but has sweat in the heat, profusely in fact.

  • @Muskelfabrikken
    @Muskelfabrikken 6 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you sir, you've made my day.

  • @jamm_affinity
    @jamm_affinity 6 месяцев назад +3

    The irony of this is that if everyone does any single strategy, it dilutes itself. The proliferation of survival strategies makes us more robust. I agree with many of your points, and I too would like to tell people to be more firmly rooted in something in the past, but what is the past now other than a ghost? All of these things are concepts floating around in our minds and as such they don’t really represent our intentions. No one actually sees Jesus walking on water. No one I know sees God. These are airy ideals that serve to brand the Self just as those who define themselves by the lack of a belief.
    I suppose that all human phenomena are on some level a type of complex branding that we don’t fully understand. It’s not a bad thing that some people are programmed to be against and some for. The outcome produces a wide range of emotions and responses to phenomenon and without this wide range of responses, society would have ossified, and likely died out, long ago.

  • @jay3yogi
    @jay3yogi 6 месяцев назад +1

    good speech

  • @felipefigueira79
    @felipefigueira79 6 месяцев назад +1

    So deep! So good!

  • @TheKingsTimeMachine
    @TheKingsTimeMachine Месяц назад

    @49:15 📝 ❤

  • @MiyamotoMusashi9
    @MiyamotoMusashi9 6 месяцев назад +5

    Know thyself

  • @mikailmaqsood818
    @mikailmaqsood818 6 месяцев назад +2

    9:41 ‘innovation then, at its core, is a social-political concept’ 🫢

  • @SolutreanHypothesis
    @SolutreanHypothesis 6 месяцев назад

    Super interesting, thank you!

  • @gideonocholi130
    @gideonocholi130 4 месяца назад

    This is Excellent content 💯/💯

  • @SK-rv8oz
    @SK-rv8oz 6 месяцев назад +4

    I believe this channel is going to be the biggest in the next 2 years

  • @walterodenyo
    @walterodenyo 6 месяцев назад

    Great insights.

  • @ikinglopez749
    @ikinglopez749 6 месяцев назад

    Hmmm... I still think innovation has significant intrinsic value that the talk hasn't touched on yet.
    Innovation is rooted in play, playfulness, and experimentation. When we play and experiment, we're exploring what our bodies and minds are capable of without having an instrumental goal. Being aware of and discovering what we can do is an intrinsic good in the same way that sight is an intrinsic good. Similarly, when we're innovating as a society, we're exploring what humanity is capable of without necessarily having a clearly defined goal of curing diseases or developing weapons.
    Imitation doesn't have this intrinsic good or something equivalent (correct me if I'm wrong), so perhaps the innovation/imitation dialectic, while valuable, may not capture the whole picture.
    I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this. You're really a great speaker, and the talk just struck a chord in me being as I've been thinking about the implications of my work in AI.

  • @obadiah60623
    @obadiah60623 2 месяца назад

    Innovation’s core limitation is rooted in the fact that it pursues truth through 😊a counter intuitive rather than non intuitive framework. No elegance.

  • @imranhussainfca
    @imranhussainfca 5 месяцев назад

    Concept of Innovation which was referred to in the medieval world vs the present day is fundamentally different and hence not comparable.

    • @EcomBerg
      @EcomBerg 3 месяца назад

      How do they differ?

  • @karanvirsingh9205
    @karanvirsingh9205 6 месяцев назад +2

    I noticed the attendees don't have laptops/iPads (in line with the topic)

    • @ssehe2007
      @ssehe2007 6 месяцев назад

      You noticed wrong. There’s at least one dude on his laptop.

  • @FemmeBleu
    @FemmeBleu 6 месяцев назад

    "Innovation is an inovation in and of itself."
    - Reggie Watts

  • @and1play5
    @and1play5 5 месяцев назад

    Nothing will stop acceleration, good talk tho

  • @ssehe2007
    @ssehe2007 6 месяцев назад +1

    What democracies? The political sphere is presumably democratized, whereas the economy remains colossally and brazenly anti-democratic. One wonders if the polity can parade itself as a bona fide democracy in the absence of a democratized economy. The disruptive changes wrought by innovation are unwanted in part because they are dictated to us from on high. A more thoroughly democratized economy could absorb these changes and channel them more productively. About three percent of Americans are employers; the remaining 97% of us are employees. Innovation has been hijacked by capitalists in order to make their products appear inevitable. "Buy this! It's a symptom of progress." But the mandates of capitalism require that businesses optimize along a gradient, which means that they are constitutionally incapable of achieving the kinds of serendipitous discoveries that lead to groundbreaking innovation.

  • @Hibousa
    @Hibousa 6 месяцев назад

    I would like you to discuss beauty ,women , am sure the philosophical perspective is different and interesting, Thank Sir ❤

  • @FLICSB
    @FLICSB 6 месяцев назад +2

    Would love to see a conversation with Dr. Peterson and Jonathan Bi around the merits of current western/global innovation, given Peterson's self-proclaimed study and fear of tyranny; and the breadth of context that Mr. Bi provides in his lectures.

  • @yvonnehyatt8353
    @yvonnehyatt8353 5 месяцев назад

    Please study- Lawrence Chong and The Tao Te Chong , Vusi Thembekwayo -thanks

  • @DanishAli-nz3ks
    @DanishAli-nz3ks 6 месяцев назад +2

    In his whole lecture he has run 2km

  • @nesdi6653
    @nesdi6653 6 месяцев назад +1

    Solid

    • @nesdi6653
      @nesdi6653 6 месяцев назад

      D O Reconaissance

  • @criticalthinker-ys7vt
    @criticalthinker-ys7vt 6 месяцев назад

    without innovation we wouldnt be where we are today...

    • @Wolf-g7j8r
      @Wolf-g7j8r 6 месяцев назад +1

      For better and for worse

  • @WisdomofHal
    @WisdomofHal 2 месяца назад

    That’s crazy I thought he was gonna say China!

  • @MiyamotoMusashi9
    @MiyamotoMusashi9 6 месяцев назад +9

    Ok now you can tell us about Ted Kaczynski and how correct his warning was

    • @Wolf-g7j8r
      @Wolf-g7j8r 6 месяцев назад +1

      Too innovative

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater 6 месяцев назад

      He was there kind of guy an environmentalist anarchist

    • @MiyamotoMusashi9
      @MiyamotoMusashi9 6 месяцев назад

      And most of his points were about modern leftist psychology and the technological system fanning the flames of mental illness

    • @MiyamotoMusashi9
      @MiyamotoMusashi9 6 месяцев назад

      @@Wolf-g7j8r 😆 I see what you did there...

  • @necrosis9222
    @necrosis9222 6 месяцев назад +1

    He gotta visit the doctor and get some inhaler lol

  • @faiqalishah1713
    @faiqalishah1713 6 месяцев назад +3

    Brace for impact!!

  • @GloriaASMR
    @GloriaASMR 6 месяцев назад

    👏

  • @sidhantsharma9961
    @sidhantsharma9961 6 месяцев назад +9

    Hey man, you gotta change your thumbnails. They all look the same, and each video from the outside seems like something I've already seen.
    I've worked with RUclips channels for 7 years and trust me, you need to find a way to differentiate your videos.
    I know you want to keep them on brand, but there are better ways.
    Your content should get millions of views.

    • @bi.johnathan
      @bi.johnathan  6 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for surfacing this. I’d be curious to hear if anyone else has the same issue/feedback + what you all think of my thumbnails.

    • @sharafkhan9333
      @sharafkhan9333 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@bi.johnathanI love the classy style of the thumbnail but tbh i don’t even look at your thumbnail it’s too much words. I just see a new vid by you, click, watch the first couple mins (masterful intro), save to finish later, and dip. You’re awesome btw keep it up!

    • @SpaceCityTuan
      @SpaceCityTuan 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@bi.johnathan I think you could use the scenery of your lecture rooms better they are so beautiful and seem to be the wasted as the background of your thumbnails. I Like that you place the philosopher that you are speaking about, but sometimes I wish you would put an image of yourself; with the sort of intellectual grit you have.
      In a way I have become a fan of Johnathan Bi: this guy who is young, full of energy, and brings an element of cultural relatability to philosophy in these magnificent settings that I can't fully understand why they are so beautiful. I would like to see that in the thumbnails.

    • @benjaminpayne6355
      @benjaminpayne6355 6 месяцев назад +1

      No need to innovate here imo

  • @PenfieldBrown
    @PenfieldBrown Месяц назад

    😂 45:17

  • @happykoinonia8119
    @happykoinonia8119 4 месяца назад

    😊

  • @jonnygraham2372
    @jonnygraham2372 6 месяцев назад +3

    Innovation is still a crime, just look at the people who keep trying to release cars that run on water.

    • @bryanutility9609
      @bryanutility9609 6 месяцев назад +1

      Yea they work so well according to basic physics.

  • @jessem8281
    @jessem8281 5 месяцев назад

    where are these lecture rooms? i been searching. Let us find out its AI generated!! 😂❤

  • @Ryan.G.Spalding
    @Ryan.G.Spalding 6 месяцев назад

    pace is too slow. Or too many words to accomplish the same thing.

    • @kd-zq5oq
      @kd-zq5oq 4 месяца назад

      Try not to reveal yourself so obviously, lol …

  • @anoojpatel7492
    @anoojpatel7492 5 месяцев назад

    mfer could sell runoff back to a refinery

  • @tuckerbugeater
    @tuckerbugeater 6 месяцев назад

    Why isn't everybody wearing masks

  • @imranhussainfca
    @imranhussainfca 5 месяцев назад

    where is your suit? why is that missing?

  • @eternalkainos
    @eternalkainos 5 месяцев назад

    Feels like I’m at Hogwarts

  • @ranjithpowell6791
    @ranjithpowell6791 6 месяцев назад +1

    Huckster

  • @ddinggg
    @ddinggg 6 месяцев назад +1

    another great video. Friendly tip, please try not to smack your lips when talking, it's unpleasant to listeners, thanks!

    • @ddinggg
      @ddinggg 6 месяцев назад +1

      inhales too. or edit them out of the final video.

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater 6 месяцев назад

      Try to be grateful

    • @kd-zq5oq
      @kd-zq5oq 4 месяца назад

      It’s amazing what people pay attention in contrast to an actual well thought out and presented message … so telling lol

  • @larss4119
    @larss4119 6 месяцев назад +5

    this might be the most cringe thing i've ever witnessed. please never do this again.

    • @WeekendPhilosopherChannel
      @WeekendPhilosopherChannel 5 месяцев назад

      What happened that's cringe?

    • @guharup
      @guharup 5 месяцев назад

      Never do what again?

    • @RicardoPicena
      @RicardoPicena 5 месяцев назад

      May the hate you have turn into love, not just any kind of love; self-love beyond your imaginable reality

    • @Nooiise
      @Nooiise 3 месяца назад

      You’re only upset because you’re either incapable of absorbing what has been said or you’re jealous.