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- A closer look at weight relief; does it make a difference?
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Key points:
0:00 Intro
0:10 JAM! (Panucci '59 Inspired)
1:56 Heaviest objects in the universe!
2:48 The history of weight relief/chambering
4:16 Different types of weight relief
5:38 The two guitars I'm using
6:30 COMPARISON - Solid vs Modern Weight Relief
13:04 In conclusion
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I forgot to say that I used the same pickups (set as closely to the same height as I could get them) for each comparison. Sorry, I’ve been a bit rushed this week writing metal riffs 😆 ruclips.net/video/pVflSOUxIO8/видео.html
Weight does make sense for the back pain :) Soundwise - little or no difference
Smooth plug
Holy ****!...I'm not really a metal guy,but your playing in that was killer....more like that please!
should have switched the labels, let everyone comment and then surprise them in the next vid that the one they thought sounds better is actually not the type they thought it was.
Just came from Paul's video.
Now I had to dig deeper, cause those bends were to tight! Great style you have.
First time I played my Les Paul for three hours (standing up), I immediately ordered a complementary bionic shoulder and spinal support rig.
That is the main reason I’ve never owned one. But, my 70’s tele is a shoulder buster too.
LOL, that is probably caused by something not related to the guitar
don't be soft
Those wide padded Levy’s straps can make a big difference, but 3 hours is a long stretch to play standing up!
Haha.
Man, that intro solo is sublime.
No kidding! Makes me wants to sell all my gear🤣
I came here looking for this comment.
I want this played at my funeral. How long did it take you to write this, Chris?
Proving empirically that any guitar sounds great in Chris Bucks hands. Think I’ll just keep practicing…..
Yes. Practicing is the answer for all of us. When listening we have to remember that it ain’t the arrow. It’s the Indian.
Yeh, Chris has a touch and a creative spirit that is certainly a joy to watch and listen to!
I agree with you, Chris makes any guitar sound great.
One of the things that I really love about Chris' playing is that he uses everything the guitar has to offer. Volume, tone knobs, pickups combinations, and he plays It either with pick or fingers. This dude is uncapable to sound bad!
Every single Friday I come here and 2:00 into the video I say to myself, "Listen to that! This guy is my favorite guitar player." Never fails.
Ya me too
I was thinking the same thing! I think Chris could make all of our jaws drop with his incredible multi-step bends and vibrato playing a broom handle strung up with dental floss! All my Les Paul's are non-weight relieved models, but my back and shoulder wishes they would be! God bless and rock on 👍😎🎸
Yeah, I think he may be the best there is for that style of playing. Better than Mayer, better than anyone else I can think of.
Both sound great, weight relief seems a bit brighter with maybe slightly less sustain and a little less midrange. Quite honestly, just about any amp can be adjusted to compensate to your personal preference.
One man's trash is another's treasure.
1st time seeing you, wonderful playing !
I thought the solid had slightly more attack
Great reply!!!
I don't see how people sit here and try to pick apart sounds over youtube when it likely sounds nothing like it did live. It's just like the folks that try to look at pics in 780p and try to pick out details and issues in the wood. It's useless. A waste of time.
Unless you're there in person, you're not getting a fair representation of the sounds after they're processed through youtube and the internet. It's a waste of time. Especially all this "less mids and blah blah blah" like you're all, some sort of sound technicians 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@JC-11111 Either that or you just don't have an ear for detail. Differences can often be heard on RUclips videos. Maybe music just isn't your strong suit
I prefer the tone of the weight-relieved guitar, especially clean. The difference is quite subtle, but the lighter guitar seemed to have a bit more air in the highs and also a bit less low-mids, giving it just a touch more clarity and string separation.
It is characteristic of semi hollows with pafs.
I absolutely agree.
I agree. I think what tends to be overlooked, is how much influence is created by the human touch.
@@GCKelloch hot pickups get more effectively dampened by full weighted bodies. And opposite for hollowed, chambered. That's why super hot ones just sound messy in a semi hollow.
@@GCKelloch 🤣
In a live band situation on stage I would imagine that 100% of the audience would never be able to tell the difference! LOL
Most people in the audience are clueless about guitars, amps, pickups, woods, tubes, etc. They just want a good show.
That being said, those who are guitar players in the audience do appreciate a finely dialed in tone.
Agreed! Never hear a difference in a mix.
...but the player would be able to tell the difference. I don't want to be distracted, trying to compensate, yet never achieving what it is I want. Satisfied player = Better performance = Better show/Audience reception.
@@dougmiles6889 Yes I completely agree! Not saying don't buy what makes you happy, just putting it out there that the vast majority of people listening in a live situation wouldn't notice any difference at all.
No one can tell the difference irrespective. Like most of these things it's confirmation bias.
*TWO* sublime CB solos in one day! 🤯
That intro was the most beautiful thing I have heard in a very long time.. . Thank you
Beautiful playing, Chris! Of all the great guitarists I've discovered on RUclips in the last few years (there are many) you are the most melodic and soulful.
That little "ditty" on the guitar at the beginning was just beautiful. So much feel.
Friday Fretworks has become one of my favorite channels. Chris’ playing is mesmerizing. Definitely inspirational for me to play more and try and incorporate some of his techniques. Nice!
That intro jam was incredible.
If ya dig that "Nashville thing"....
Absolutely lovely playing at the beginning Chris. I was with you on every note. Such emotion from your Les Paul and fingers...Peace
Chris I just wanted to say that your guitar playing is out of this world. You either inspire me to pick up my guitar and play my ass off or sell all my gear and go be an uber driver (all in the same video). Thanks I guess ahaha! Much love
The solid wins for me. Hard to ignore that sustain and overall smooth tone. I liked the weight relief on a few licks but always liked the solid better :). You can tell the way Chris plays as well. His bends were just longer on the solid and it sounded great! Dude, you are seriously my new favorite guitarist…
The biggest thing I noticed was I felt like the bridge pickup on the relic guitar had a faster attack, so it sounded like it had more bite. I know matching output and settings and everything between two instruments is difficult, though.
Do you know what sustain is? A chambered body had more sustain and resonance. You listening to this on a phone? Those differences could be pickups, potentiometers, capacitors, body wood differences, neck wood differences, and so much more. You are gullible if you think that difference is from it being solid or chambered.
@@gavinw5469 I'll second that! And I have a solid and a chambered Les Paul plus a ES339, so...
Smooth is the word I used too. There’s an uncomfortable resonance that’s going on with the weight-relieved guitar that makes it sound like it’s fighting itself to me
@@gavinw5469 sustain would be how long the note rings out, and you can still hear this on a phone. And yes, I heard more sustain from the solid body, as the weight-relieved one sounds like it has clashing resonances going on that don’t mesh with each other. The solid one had resonance that sounded in sync and smoothly cycled to me. Still both sounded great to me. Hard to mess up a Les Paul
Your playing is uplifting and inspiring. It gives me the feeling of flight, of exploring new vistas. Great job! I can see that any guitar you play, you would get that sound!
I thought the solid body had more even sustain when clean. I think the weight relieved one dropped off a little sooner after the attack. The length of sustain seemed about the same though. It's subtle. When played dirty, that wasn't a factor, but I think Chris is right about the midrange. I prefer the solid body, but in isolation, with no comparison, both are stellar sounding guitars anyway.
back in the day (1965 - 1980s) when I played I never ever thought about weight. I was young and really never noticed. I bought guitars that I could afford that felt good in my hand and sounded good in my ear. Since retiring I am trying to relearn how to play. I was always a telecaster guy so first bought a 2001 Am. Std. Telecaster but a bit ago I scratched the itch for a Les Paul and found a 2019 Studio Tribute that I could afford that felt good. So I weighed them now...they both weigh 7.8 lbs. But at 71, I can feel the weight more than I can remember.
We walk a similar road my friend. The licks don't come as fast for the fingers as they once did.
I have a 1968 VIBROLUX REVERB that I bought in 1971. Every year it puts on weight but doesn't show it.
@@ratwynd Oh that could be taken in other ways! Seriously though, I bet the notes are slower but deeper now. That's all that matters.
Me too,i had a 25 year layoff caused by a tendonitis problem i developed after playing a gig when i was in my early 40s,full on rock n roll.woke up next morning and couldn't lift my left arm,couldnt turn on a tap,wring out a cloth,took 6 months before i went back to work(carpenter).Now im retired i fiddle around and make solid body guitars and weight and ergonomics are paramount.
Great vídeo Chris!!! Amazing solo in The intro, little different from what you usually do.
First time I've ever watched one of your videos, I think. Your intro solo was outstanding!
I came here only for Chris' playing. Amazing skills!
That intro was GORGEOUS. Such an excellent use of bends.
This is actually one of the better A/B comparisons I've seen/heard on RUclips. Thanks Chris. The weight relieved guitar definitely sounds spankier to me. I liked the solid one every time for melody/leads and the relieved one every time for strummed chords.
In a nut shell, 2 beautiful instruments/tools with their own purpose. Loved them both.
Track at the beginning of the video…Wow… honestly, one of the most expressive guitar solos I’ve heard in a long time. Well done sir.
So glad I stopped by! Chris Buck's guitar playing is sublime -- and love the material he covers too.
Wow Chris, what a brilliant guitarsolo intro !
Chris, halfway through this vid I subscribed. Fascinating bit of work. Keep it up.
This is why i chose a Trad 2018 with no weight relieve. The tone i get from it is truly eargasm thru my Marshall DSL and Vox AC15.
I can't get enough of your playing at the start of the video. You rock Chris!
Great playing. Awesome feeling, rhythm and great sounding licks. 👏👏👏 man so good
The guy who watches your videos to hear you play again.
What lovely bends you do
*chris needs a solo for his intro on Friday Fretworks. Chris writes a masterpiece and solo of the year.* DAMN CHRIS
Very well played Chris. Heartwarming
Hi Chris, fan from Italy here! Just wanted to say how much is inspiring that first solo you've played. I'm not jocking when I say: I probably came back to listen to it maybe for the 100th times. Looking forward to see you Live! Keep up the good work and don't stop rocking! 🤘
Although they do sound a little different, we know that no two pieces of wood are the same, and the tone, sustain, etc, are a product of ALL components of a guitar.
Even "identical" pickups vary a little, and maybe even a void in the bridge or stop tailpiece castings could make a difference, so maybe a comparison of, say 20 chambered and 20 solid guitars would tell us more.
Well put, I was about to say the same. So many factors make a guitar sound as they do
Don't know who you are Chris, stumbled upon this channel. Your playing... wow! And I love all this anorak stuff too. My second favourite channel. Good work.
After a long trying week in which I've recovered from a painful kidney stone, hemorrhoid and crazy family problems I was near exhaustion, so I laid down to rest and enjoy Friday Fretworks . . . but no rest for the weary. I had to get up out of bed and weigh my 2009 Les Paul Studio - - couldn't rest until I did it. 7.8 pounds . . . THANKS A LOT CHRIS BUCK!!!
Everything you play sounds so freakin amazing and beautiful!
Can we ever expect an album of these great performances on each of these videos?Incredible.
Jesus Christ man. Your phrasing and touch are so good it makes me hurt. Every time I hear you play, literally anything, all I can do is shake my head and smile. Unreal.
I built my own chambered Telecaster, it has mini Seymour Duncan humbucker pickups ( similar to a LP Deluxe) and a sound of it’s own. It’s really light and great for stage work. The sustain is also fabulous.
I listened to the metal riff earlier today. It was nice. As usual.
Goddamn, man... you solo work always feels amazing. Thank you, you are INDEED the best upcoming guitar player out there.
Great intro from Chris and a great sound with the two Panucci Goldtops. For me, the Solid is more present and reproduces the wooden Les Paul sound. But it is the taste of the guitarist and listener and subjective. Very nice comparison by Chris Buck. I'm a lucky Panucci Inspired player and I'm always excited and happy about it.
Amazing solo Chris 😍 Really fantastic job
While most people are deciding what guitar feature for what year, or what brand of tubes sounds best from what decade, the rest of us are actually playing and making music. The neurosis of guitarist drives me nuts. None of that shit matters at all. Practice Practice Practice
People starting out need to hear this.
I get your point but the why watch? This video is for the people whom actually care about nuances in gear. Go make music then and leave the discussion for the people whom care about the actual differences.
I get both sides, but when your guitar sings to it helps inspiration
It is your personal freedom to choose to be driven nuts by these things.
Waaaaaaaah. I can't afford gear so I need reasons to neg it. Let's moan on another page about gear.
Also, if you couldn't hear the differences, you also need to practice more.
Very informative. Always, thanks Chris from Canada.
Love the channel, Chris. I've got 5 Gibson les pauls. Just weighed my studio in worn brown it's 7lb 4oz. And my classic in honey burst and hp in seafoam burst are 8lb 6oz. All sound like les pauls lol. When ever I've played them. Whether it was in my band days around Bridgend, South wales. Or at jam night in Porthcawl. Everyone always says how good they are and how loud they are. Keep up the good work!!
Chris this intro is F@#king Legendary please tell that's is in a song or will be in one ,I know I'm probably bias that was the best piece of guitar playing I ever heard! And I just only listened to like 10.000 times
That piece you played at the beginning was just fantastic 👍
I'm lucky enough own one of the few left handed Panucci 59 inspired guitars built so far and I couldn't be more happy with it. Besides the quality of the build and the very realistic relic work it's just an absolutely wonderful guitar to play and sounds fantastic. I got it in December and it's already opened up a lot. I accepted that I probably would never own a real lefty burst even if I could afford one and a boutique build was my best option. I wasn't disappointed. Mine looks kinda like Greeny with a similar top carve. I forget the exact weight but I belive its around 3.68kg which is not bad. I don't think it's weight relived, it was never discussed. Angelo is a great guy, very easy to deal with.
Thanks Peter for the nice feedback good to see she only getting better, for the record Your baby is solid
As usual blown away by your playing, friend. However today there was the added shock that you got a new jacket. 😮
Thanks Chris. Great video. I couldnt hear a difference on the hifi speakers myself. A great exercise
That gold Penucci '59 might be the most beautiful guitar I've ever seen.
Both have unique sound the solid sounds darker, the other one sounds bright, but they both have one common sound ! A great musician .
Thanks for another enlightening and entertaining episode of Friday Fretworks. So hard to articulate the real difference between the sounds of the two guitars, but it might be interesting to connect them to an oscilloscope to actually measure the sustain and frequencies.
That intro track had some of the most musical soloing I ever heard, wonderful!
My theory for the heavy 70’s guitars was (aside from pancaking maple in there) they were banging them out without drying the wood out properly, probably due to the increased demand for electric guitars, so there were loads of guitars being coated in lacquer effectively trapping the moisture in there.
wow, that opening song was really beautiful!
Great topic!!! Great intro by the way - you are simply amazing!!! Now to the topic at hand - in my opinion, there is no comparison to an older non-weight relief LP cranked through a Marshall stack. There is just something about that combination that is like no other.
I thought the differences were significant. The Solid was clearer, brighter, and had more even sustain. The Weight Relieved sounded kind of wolfy, unfocused, and dull by comparison to my ears. These differences could probably be compensated with EQ, and I think it is not worth obsessing over when we have such powerful tone processing tools and devices that can make a guitar sound like a completely different instrument, let alone change it's frequency response. Thanks
I HAD EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE EXPERIENCE?
My gibson lp its wheigth relieved and i have the same feel about the sound. Sorry My englesh 🇦🇷
I agree! I thought the lighter 1 had more midrange BUT had a very soft note attack! The solid, had a flatter freq response, but a much FASTER note attack, leading to more clarity!
@@DMSProduktions absolutely
I agree with everything except for the EQing part. It's difficult to impossible to adjust EQ to compensate for tone differences between instruments. You can "cover it up" but not match it.
Damn,I can watch the first 2 minutes of this video over and over and over Chris....EXCELLENT playing,and PROOF that TONE comes from fingers,style,technique,as well as from amp,pick-ups,pedals!!!!!!! (If not MORE SO......well, ALMOST,lol)Do you have any Instrumental songs by chance man??? If so, I would absolutely LOVE to hear them....guess I'm showing that I am sort of a newbie fan....but definetly am one, and am GLAD that I finally saw yhere recently!!!! IMO....the weight reliefed guitar has a more Mid-Ranged and trebish sound to it,and seems to want to start falling off abit sooner in the resignating department than the Solid bodied one. I have always been a HUGE fan of the "TRUE" Solid body sound of a LP style guitar, but would still be proud to own and play either. The difference for sure isn't going to be THAT noticeable in a smokey filled bar with your band,and blending in with the mix !!!!! Cool video, and weight releif does has it's PHYSICAL advantages,and I agree totally with your statements about the both of them !!!!! Keep em coming Chris, and see ya on Friday's man. Stay Safe all.....
Good God man! What a killer intro 😳🤘🏼
wow! intro was one of your best solos in my opinion.
Haha, The X-ray picture at 4:43 was actually taken by me. It's a LP BFG. I posted it at the LP Forum under the pseudo "Orangedrop" many years ago. I feel proud to be able to contribute to the guitar nerd community :)
The tones in the Weight Relieved Guitar fought in the mid range and made that range of frequencies lack fullness compared to the Solid Guitar ... and it was like the frequencies in the mid range didn't sustain as long as the extreme high and low end frequencies. Such interference might be the result of standing waves created inside the guitar cavities at certain frequencies. Such waves would naturally dissipate the total energy of the sound produced by the strings as it resonates through the body. This might also account in part for the thinner and slightly shorter sustain of the Weight Relieved Guitar as opposed to the Solid one. This is something one might not care too much about in the last set of a four hour gig (or even the second set). There's always equalizer and sustain plug-ins to fall back on...
Tell that to Billy Gibbons
Totally not true. Have you played one before? Or do you want to have chronic back pain with a les paul?
A chambered guitar has more sustain and resonance, you know, because it had chambers?
Definitely a difference. The solid body sounded more meaty exactly like a Les Paul should. Beautiful playing by the way as per usual.
That's why I bought a Les Paul Traditional. 10lb of raw beef!!!
Chris Buck pickups for my Strat next!!!
BTW, that intro solo was amazing. So much feel and emotion in your style.
Keep up the great work Sir.
You are burning that guitar to the ground, fantastic playing.
Props for the intro solo. Very, very, cool.
Most soulful player ever - these tones go straight to the heart
Love em both, but I’d take the weight relieved one personally. (Subject to playing, obvs!)
Angelo builds amazing guitars and I’ve come close to springing for a Tele on 2 occasions.
Plus, he seems like a really nice bloke, so there’s that.
His pickups never cease to blow me away.
I have seen a interview with Brian May (Queen) and his Father talking about the making of the red special. They said that it was chambered to improve control over feedback.
5 years ago when I bought my LP Tribute, I thought about drilling holes and filling it with shot. I didn't and 5 years later I would call that mutilation. The solo is beautiful. Thanks!
The difference in sound reminded me of the change in tone from going up or dropping a string gauge. I prefer the livelier sound of the weight relieved guitar over the slightly denser mids of the other.
Panucci Les Paul: awesome axe. Sound & playability top. Great video.
I thought the lighter 1 had more midrange BUT had a very soft note
attack! The solid, had a flatter freq response, but a much FASTER note
attack, leading to more clarity!
its a blessing hear you play
Very interesting and well executed experiment. It would be of further interest to take this as a blindfold test, I'm not sure many folks could accurately tell which was which. Great playing too!
Nice surprise to see Chris playing Panucci guitars. Their shop is just near my street in the Hague.
I cried during the intro.
I’m of the camp that the Solid has more grunt and punch. The weight relieved has that softer attack and warmer sustain.
If I was after a warmer, softer, cleaner tone I’d go relieved.
But if I wanted a Les Paul tone…solid.
You’re such an awesome guitarist. Your videos are in a class of their own. 🤘
Amazing playing on the intro.
That intro is GORJEEEEUSSSSS
In my opinion solid sounds more dull and uninteresting, but yeah, traditional if you will. Gear and is sound is an evolving thing though. Early telecasters sounded more trebly and shrill, but the amps where much darker. Now, we have some iconic sounds in our head from the 70's, 80's, 90's..that everything gets compared to. Again, amps are on another level. I like what I'm hearing from the weight relieved guitars and I love the fact they are lighter. By no means it is a worst tone than solid bodies. I think it's a smart move from players and builders to choose those. Some traditionalists may not agree.
It’s funny how so many people came the exactly opposing conclusions.
Love this video just from the intro!
Cheers Chris, interesting stuff. For me the solid did seem to get closer to that more immediate, harmonically rich, tele on steroids tone I like. Lovely intro btw. :)
To me, the solid guitar sounds like it was being run with higher gain. (I understand that it wasn't.) If you put a meter on them, it wouldn't surprise me to find that it has slightly hotter pickups, or stronger magnets. Regardless, I would actually prefer the weight relieved guitar, seeing it as more versatile; You can add gain to make it sound more like the solid guitar. Sustain is a red herring, in my opinion; I've never played a properly set up guitar that lacked adequate sustain.
Thanks Chris, great and informative episode on a devisive topic amongst guitar players. I've always loved the idea of being a Les Paul player but the two I have owned (both 'weight relieved') still weighed in at nearly 10Ibs. They were sold on because of how uncomfortable I found them to hold and play. I think because an LP is a small bodied guitar it doesn't 'carry' its weight well and can feel like a dead weight. However, I was recently lucky enough to acquire a player's grade '74 LP Special, just a single slab of mahogany and no maple cap. It weighs 7lb 10oz and feels, sounds and looks fantastic. It took many years of searching but I finally found a Les Paul I love!
I prefer the solid in terms of tone. It just has this midrange that I'm already grown into, however they are both great guitars and I would jam on any of them any day plus amps and eq pedals has always offered versatility anyway.
Oh man, that opening jam. Such tasty licks
Even on my iPhone I can’t unhear the difference. The solid had a bit more bite and grit. The weight received had a slight lighter less punchy semi honky tone at times. Both sound good, but I would prefer the solid. My ‘92 LP std feels heavy, but I guess it has weight relief according to your information. Now I won’t be able to sleep at night.
inject some wood filler in there & sleep like a baby!? Ha! ;)
Yep. You'd better trade it off. It's not authentic with that newfangled weight relief.
Great playing !!
They both good great. Different but good. Comes down to player preference . There really is no need to argue about it. Choose the one you like. it wont matter to your audience. Thanks for another excellent and informative video and inspiring playing,.
Chris, can you please compare Gibson LPs to Epiphone Gibson inspired LPs? I think a lot of people want to see your thoughts on the two.
Love your videos!
While listening and compiling my own thoughts on the sounds, I just watched them all dissolve as I wholeheartedly agreed with your assessment. In studio I want the solid. But when I built my own I bought a Studio with modern relief and parted up to my spec’s. It sounds scooped compared to the real deals I’ve encountered. It also won’t put me in hospital from regular play or guitar pirates. 🏴☠️ Thank you for this well done comparison and the add-on for the pickups.