Cycling with a friend when a truck from behind honked and gunned the engine going by us then pulled sharply in front of us into a drive. The driver got out and ran, yelling towards us. I barely missed him with my front wheel, he went straight for my friend and started a fist fight in the middle of the street. He somehow grabbed the bike and threw it. Luckily (major luck) a black SUV pulls up, secret service, he saw it all, cuffed the driver and waited for the city PD. The driver was jailed, after his sentence he had to pay a fine, then pay for and take anger management classes and pay for all repairs on the bike
Honestly, you've got to show appreciation for good manners too. Here in the UK we cycle on narrow roads a lot. It's obvious when a driver has slowed and taken time to do safe overtake. They get a solid 'Thumbs-up' from me everytime. Make it a game - try and show more love than hate on every ride and tip the balance towards drivers expecting that you'll show appreciation of their efforts.
I do that a lot. If I call someone on when a blind bend(to them) is clear I usually get a wave or a toot and they immediately get a thumbs up in return. Kill 'em with kindness by being a knight of the road.
Yeah, just like how Pil tries to be calm and reasonable in the scary situations, being appreciative when drivers show good manners can really surprise people in a good way.
I do try to show consideration for vehicles (I’m a driver too) though I have slapped a few hoods. I always give a wave, smile and mouth a thank you when any driver is considerate to me.
I couldn't agree more, if other road users have waited patiently behind me when I'm riding here in the UK I always raise a hand in thanks. I even do this to multiple cars in the line if I've been slogging up a climb. If cyclists implant that impression of gratitude and good manners into other road users image of them as a collective, this can only help attitudes change towards cyclists in the grand scheme of things. There will always be ignorance in all forms of daily life but it never hurts to say thank you and potentially change someone else's perception of your community. Stay safe out there!
Yes!! Really good to see this, one thank you or a wave improves things between us. When bus drivers are careful I give them a big thumbs up and all the passengers see that too. We've got to share the road, that doesn't mean behaving like A..holes. If everyone behaved as we do Matt we wouldn't have such a problem, thumbs up from me too...
I'm 73 and I've been riding a bicycle seriously since the early '70s. When I started riding seven miles to work in the Philadelphia western suburbs I had to go through several high-traffic areas and encountered crazy, mad and inconsiderate drivers every week. That was when it was pretty rare to see anybody on a racing bicycle. My wife and I rode around France, Italy and southern England for a year, then we moved to Texas. In Europe, over several thousand miles, there was no road rage at all, although some impolite drivers in England. Over the years I've lived in San Antonio, Cleveland Hts, Ohio, Pennington, NJ and now a small city in western PA. Of all those places, the most courteous drivers by far were in Texas. More than once, out in the Hill Country, some guys in a big old truck slowed down and handed me a beer out the window. I had incidents in OH and central Jersey, but nothing serious. In 19 years out here in New Castle, one idiot tried to coal roll me, one guy yelled at me to put my pants on (I was wearing cycling shorts), two Amish girls laughed at me because they thought I looked funny, and that's about it. Over the years, my outlook has changed. I am a very lucky person in many ways. My life is not very complicated or stressful. Many people have complicated and stressful lives, and I feel like I should cut them some slack. All in all, in 50 years of cycling, I have tried to follow the same rules on the road as motor vehicles, and I have had very few incidents of any kind.
NOPE. I’m stopping at #1. It isn’t worth it. They’ve already shown me that my life has zero value to them through their reckless driving/rage, so there’s no way I’m engaging any further. Not a chance. Ignore them, get a license plate if you can and report them later, and move on.
Yes, this is the way. Assume that everyone in a car believes they are in a very expensive invulnerable suit of armour that grants them the right to maim and kill on a whim unless proven otherwise. Their actions and reactions are typically opposite if they are outside their vehicle but they are not outside their vehicle and they just endangered your life. You are rolling a dice if you try to educate every bad driver and it is simply not worth the risk. As tempting as it can be to confront them, if you don’t want to escalate an already dangerous situation (they already have a deadly weapon) just stop, breathe, and report their behaviour.
I suspect many of them haven't shown that. A lot of drivers are plain unaware how vulnerable cyclists are. They are isolated from the world inside their metal boxes, and they are not conscious of the fact that even a gentle bump from a car can cause a cyclist to fall, or that even a low-speed fall can result in very serious injury or death.
Once as a pedestrian I had a car fly through a right turn nearly hitting me. I happened to have papers in my hand and a pencil in my pocket so I jotted down the tag. He saw me and circled back yelling "did I hit you?!" not with concern but kind of mocking. I blurted out "what would you do if someone nearly hit your mother like that?" dunno why I picked mother, just inspiration. His attitude changed instantly and he apologized with sincerity. So I crumpled up the sheet and tossed it. But I think the key was finding his empathy key. Puppies is probably a good one too.
I was once sharing a road in Canoga Park. Some guy rolled down his window and shouted: "go on the sidewalk." I ignored him because you can't reason with an ignorant, uneducated person.
I had this once, the guy kept on yelling and it just started getting ridiculous but I was proud of my self control. Finally he just went silent, then said my name. Turns out it was my roommate (also a cyclist) pulling my leg! We had a good laugh!
1. Do your best to acknowledge the drivers that are giving you room when they safely pass. 2. Look over your left shoulder to let those who are behind you know you’re doing your best to move to the right when safe. 3. Don’t knock on windows. This will often escalate the situation. If they don’t roll down the window they don’t want to talk to you. Let it go. 4. Trying to catch them at the next light to talk usually ends in people yelling at each other. If you were almost hit, your body is in a ‘fight/flight response. Add ego to that and we have a road rage incident.
I always wave in thanks when cars give me a lot of room in passing. I think if cyclists show appreciation drivers will be more courteous going forward.
I’m a waver. It’s the most disarming gesture I’m aware of. I wave so vigorously I want people to think they must know me. And eventually they’ll just say “hey there’s that guy! Love that guy!”
Descalation is definitely key. I think what makes me angriest is when I don’t get the opportunity to just TALK to people. I’ve had some really positive encounters that have started off fairly heated. That said, the best result I ever had was when some moron cut me up on a roundabout (traffic circle to you guys I guess). The red mist descended on us both and he started being very silly - passed me at speed, skidded to halt in front of me and was out of the car trying to get hold of me. He missed and I just carried on, only for him to repeat the process several times, unsuccessfully. He eventually ended up trying to out-brake a van heading into the next junction, swerving round it to to try to get to me. This time, once he’d positioned himself far enough up the road and got out of the car to grab me as I passed, the van driver (who was about twice his size) unfortunately got to him to first. I’m pretty sure he had him by the scruff of the neck as I went by. I figured I’d just leave them to sort it out among themselves. 😁
I agree. Where I live, at least, I would never knock on a window or even touch a car. My younger self may have done it but I have learned that people are just too crazy.
A great and very sensible video. I'm in Ireland and it applies just as much here. Be calm, be rational and don't escalate. Also, as a cyclist, be aware of traffic behind you. I use mirrors and I find them invaluable. They're great for keeping me aware of my environment behind me and not just for whenever I want to change my position on the road. When I am on a stretch of road or a street where I am actually slowing down traffic behind me (I regularly pull a fully loaded bike trailer too!), I deliberately pull in to a convenient spot and give a little wave on for the following vehicles. I regularly (not always) get thank you beeps from the traffic going past. This may stop me for a few seconds or sometimes longer but I think courtesy and respect on the road goes both ways. I know and have seen many videos of cyclist's who take the stance that they have as much right to be on that road as any motorist and they won't be bullied or intimidated into giving up their space. Yes they do have that right. But sometimes pulling to one side to just be courteous makes you the much bigger person AND does more to promote the reputation and standing of cyclist's as a whole in the perception of the driver behind you. I also own a car, drive tractors and for my main employment I am a white van driver so I see it all on the roads from different perspectives. And finally, on a slight tangent, if you are driving and stuck in traffic or running late or just generally under pressure, the best way to relieve that stress and frustration when you are under pressure and feeling a lack of control at that time is to do this. Just let someone else who is trying to get out into the traffic out in front of you. You may think that letting another car out in front of you will just slow you down and delay you even more and create even more stress and technically that may be true to a small degree. But you make a personal choice that puts you psychologically back in control and it puts the situation you are in there and then into perspective and is virtually guaranteed to relieve nearly all of the stress you are under just in that situation. I do it all the time when I'm stuck in traffic and already late. Not every car of course. But a couple. If you are already 10 minutes late, what is another minute going to change compared to being nice to some other people on the way and making their day a little bit better too? Peace and health to all ✌️
What part of Ireland are you in. I recently moved here with mg Irish wife and kids, and man cars dont give two ish about cyclist. Well, at least a good majority. Im in West Cork on the country side. I cycle with my father in law and the amount of ppl that overtake us while a vehicle is coming on the opposite side of the road it’s insane. We had truck drivers do it, women, men, kids, new drivers, learners. I done seen it all. Ppl even overtaking us on bends putting anyones lives at risk just to get passed us. I see vehicles speed passed us while cars were coming from opposite side before they got there nearly colliding. Its one of the things that pissed me of the most is when theres more than 1 car behind and cars are coming down on the other side and the car behind me squeezes through and then the rest behind think they can all do the same. It’s so reckless the way they drive here. I had it done while walking over to the neighbor on the side of the road with my 2 and 3yr old.
Lots of extremely good advice here. It's so hard to contain one's anger when you're in fight or flight mode, so I think that first bullet is extremely important. Make sure you take a second to seriously assess if it's "worth it" to engage. When I'm in that aggressive (scared) state, the answer is almost always "no" because I'm not able to de-escalate. And I know you know this, but worth pointing out for others that this subject has dramatically different dynamics for women, BIPOC, and other marginalized groups.
I am an ex-runner, ran 800m and 1500m in college. Knees, so I became a cyclist and I love it. But in 2018 I was hit from behind by a car that drifted into the bike lane, Broke both legs, both my arms, 5 ribs, my collarbone and a skull fracture. I was unconscious instantly but the police said the guy was devastated and sorry - a school janitor who spoke little English. This is something I just didn't deal with as a runner. I never ride during morning commute or evening commute as that seems to be when the distracted, aggressive potential killers are thickest on the roads.
Omg, that sounds like such a traumatic accident. Well done for not letting it put you off completely. Commuting is the absolute worst, the one time I hate cycling.
@@pingpongballz5998 WTF? That's your take on this? beardelmar didn't even say where the guy was from. And it doesn't matter. The point is that he was a distracted driver, not that he was likely born outside of the US. And he apparently cared enough that he stuck around, if the police were able to talk to him quickly and easily. And he was likely here legally if he did that and wasn't treated horribly and deported. SMH.
@@danbuck9214 as someone who came to this country and went through the legal process, you won't be able to pass your citizenship test without knowing English!
@@pingpongballz5998 Well done to you for passing that test! I have several friends who have, and it is HARD! In fact, most people born in the U.S. couldn't pass it without some serious studying. I also know that depending on your test official, you can get through with less than excellent spoken English. There are also ways to become a naturalized citizen once you've been here for a while, as I understand it.
The one argument I always bring up that drivers can cut me off, pull in right in front of me, block paths. I can deal with that, I ride my bike almost daily and have great bike control. But kids on their way to school or elderly folks going for a shop might not be able to react and prevent accidents.
That's why most of those kids will never get to ride a bike on the street. These rides through Ventura Blvd that Phil shows here are not for everyone. The way our roads are designed for multi-purpose use does not work well for any group of users. Sad thing.
Respectfully. Best advice is, do not confront a road rage situation. Period. Save your energy and mental focus to begin quickly making the necessary making of mental notes to articulate a report if necessary. Telling an “enraged person” to calm down or take it easy is terrible advice. It’s not cool. People carry weapons and when enraged will use them. It’s rage your dealing with. Blood red. De-escalating sometimes means staying out of it. Say nothing. Go away. Change routes. Make peace with peace. This is not a sign of weakness but intelligence. Walking or riding away is learned behavior. Because it’s very easy to be sucked into another persons toxicity if you allow it. We aren’t psychologists or a person’s parents. Although we may think we are well capable, trust, we do not sufficiently know or understand enough about why any person is PO’d. It could be very complicated or very simple. It may have stemmed long before getting to you or your group. It’s certainly not going to deescalate by knocking on someone’s window or having a critical chat about safety. The last is. Respect rules of the road. We cyclists are some of the worst offenders perpetuating some pretty crazy road manners. Lead by example. Doing so you ensures you will have a better chance of making it home. Truth hurts. But peace and respect sometimes, many times, starts with us. Because at the end of every day, life is more than just us. Our families, our loved ones and friends want us alive. Peace.
Your approach shows extreme maturity, self-control and diplomacy. In the heat of the moment I only hope I can show half as much. A really constructive approach.
Wow, it’s amazing how much relief one can experience when someone talks about something in a calm, common sense manner. I guess it speaks to the stress that we all seem to be under. I appreciate you looking out for all of us by posting this little video. 👍
This is so on point. Even though you might feel or even BE justified in a more aggressive approach, it's important to not lose sight of what's constructive. This thoughtful and methodical approach is about your only chance to land your message with someone.
No it's not. I am appalled to see how many cyclist want to turn the other cheek nonsense. Stand your ground and they will start to understand cyclist are not to be messed with. Goodness sake when did everyone become scared to stand their ground.
Thanks for that. Not one time has flipping someone off ever resulted in a positive outcome, even if you feel slightly better for a second. If there’s no chance I’ll catch them, like on a major road without lights, I just ignore. I also won’t chase them down if catching them with an effort is even possible. It only only has me huffing and puffing, and unable to really talk and then I’m sure I’d come across as totally out of control. Occasionally, I’ll ask them to roll down the window if I do roll next to them, and I always start with “Wow, I really thought I was going to die/crash/etc when you went past. The law requires cars to pass bikes safely with a clearance of X. I was lucky this time, but next time what if I got killed because of dangerous driving?” Let them know how YOU felt rather than start by attacking. And, I have now been riding with video cameras whenever solo, which I’ve had to use one time (and it didn’t end well for the school bus driver).
Thanks Phil!! Always best to stay positive. Curious, has anyone ever filed an insurance claim with a motorist who didn't hit you, but caused you to skid hard enough to ruin an expensive tire? Had a lady cut into a driveway in front of me recently, I skidded and ended up with a bald spot on my tire. I was close to stopping and asking for her insurance info. I had just gestured to her indicating I needed space because of parked cars and she had given me space, and then she passed me and pulled right in front of me like she didn't realize I was there!! I do have a wife and kids at home!! Stay safe everyone!!
No. To file anything, you need damages. A worn tire is a wear and tear item. I once went to the CHP to report a driver that break-checked me on the 110 FWY for honking at him, baby in car etc. They said they only take reports from CHP officers. "It's your word against his. You need to show damages."
@@DerFilmgucker A blown-out or square tyre is damages. I know of case where a motorist deliberately pulled from the slow lane into the fast lane on an unrestricted motorway because he felt two drivers come from behing were driving too fast (he admitted as much to the police) and he ended up paying for four new tyres for each of them. Unfortunately for him the cars in question were both big, powerful cars, so it was quite a pretty hefty bill.
I wear the most yellow I can. That's helped a lot when I'm up here in the fog in the Pacific Northwest. I was having a huge problem with these gigantic pickup trucks and logging trucks buzzing me as they passed. But ever since I started being incredibly visible, not just a little visible, but like sarcastically visible, I've had much more luck at respectful interactions.
Here in Phoenix I can't get a single ride in without a close-call, someone honking, shouting, or punish-passing me. It really is demoralizing and has left me riding indoors. I really hope the selfish and car-centric mindset of most Americans changes one day.
Since I usually ride the same area I try to wave and thank you waves to people when they come around. I want them when they see me to say oh there’s my wave guy. He’s out getting in his miles. I become an object people like to see instead of hate. The sunglasses we wear and when we don’t smile or acknowledge drivers we give the appearance of douchebags when most of us are not.
Great advice. I’m in UK and also had many bad experiences with motorists over the years. One more recent was when a car turned into me and I just managed to miss them. I stopped and spoke to the driver (a woman) and explained how a friend had recently been badly hurt in a similar accident and she apologised. We ended up wishing each other well and went on our ways. Much better outcome than in the past when I would get angry in these situations and things would just escalate.
Thanks Phil - great video. We’ve all experienced this, and it’s hard to stay calm in these situations but you’re absolutely right that it’s the best thing to try to do. One thing I’ve been doing on my rides lately that’s helped me is to try to pay attention to all the courteous drivers out there while I’m riding. Since I’ve done this it’s helped me to see that there are many more courteous ones than aggressive ones. There’s still those few that can scare the heck out of you, but I find it nice to know that’s there’s many more that will give you a little space, or yield for a second to let you cross an intersection. Thanks, and stay safe out there!
Good advice. Been riding since I was 5 on the roads of New Hampshire. Never once felt in danger. Then after college I moved to Panama City Florida. Felt like I was risking death every time I went out for a ride, even in groups. And for good reason. A local physician was run down and killed on purpose, and a serviceman from the Naval Coastal Systems Center was struck and killed by a drunk driver on Thomas Drive. Several other riders I know were injured by motorists. A beer bottle was hurled at us while riding near Tyndal AFB, and struck the front wheel of my buddy's bike, no injuries. I could go on with more examples, but you get the point. Stay safe out there folks.
Yep, toured across U.S. three times. The south is bad, and Florida drivers just plain don't want you on their roads. If you wade through NHTSA and GHSA reports you will learn that FL has the highest per capita death rate for peds and cyclists.
This is why I now spend at least half of my rides on gravel - so sick of dealing with drivers and attitude on the road. I really find myself ending rides a lot happier and relaxed on the gravel vs. spending the whole ride wondering what's coming up behind you every 5 seconds. Luckily we have wide shoulders here in Detroit for the most part and staying far to the right helps with the angry driver situation.
The last time I confronted a motorist for a rather unnecessary close pass: After we had to stop at the same intersection and me just saying "Hey, that was close and didn't get you any further" through his window, he drove away with squealing tyres, stopped at the next driveway, ran on the middle of the road and tried to push me off the bike yelling something aggressive - in traffic on a federal road. Done for confrontation in the next 1-2 years if don't actually crash or have to jump off the bike. I'll think of these steps but I think the hard part will always be getting in a conversation without either side escalating first.
Great advice. I like the mini-lecture that you laid out. You're right to tell the driver that they are looking at many legal problems for getting to Quickie Mart just that much faster. Up to now, I've gotten by with the Look. My father, a former Army officer and Vietnam Vet would give us the Look. Usually, misbehaving drivers correct themselves. As for knocking on the window, as a cyclist, you can probably tell the difference between a stupid mistake worthy of a chat or maliciousness, where you move on.
Thank you for this intelligent discussion of an emotional event/s. Let's keep our heads in these scenarios and take Phil's excellent advice. I am going to try to remember this sage talk every time I head out the door to ride.
Egregious driving goes straight to the adrenal gland. It is SO hard to not want to absolutely tear someone’s jaw off if they are intentionally trying to kill you with their car. I agree, the high road is always the best approach but boy is it hard sometimes.
It's give and take! As an avid bicyclists and driver with a CDL license, I get to see both sides more often. To be honest, I see more bicyclists at falt. Not obeying the traffic laws and riding irresponsibly. These types of riders give us a bad reputation and provoke drivers. Ride and drive responsibly. Peace..
Bad take. Bikes and cars are just trying to get somewhere. They break laws at the same rate statistically. Cyclist are vulnerable to cars but not the other way around.
Truer words were never spoken, I completely agree. I have given depositions for cyclist involved in accidents. And, I have yelled at a few cyclist from the bike, " You're giving me a bad name as a rider". Been cheered from vehicles for those. We get what we give: Respect.
Its a good advice and I hope I can act as cool as you. In my many years as a cyclist I experienced a lot of situations that could have ended my life. There are a lot of car drivers that dont think much or are not aware how dangerous they act. In my younger years as a bike messenger in Cologne Germany a big truck nearly runs over me. I jumped into the side green to save my live. I cought him at the next red light and asked him: didnt you see me? His answer: I saw you, but you dont belong here…so be careful out there. Love Joerg
Great advice. Keeping a calm demeanor can be the best option. In the area of south-eastern Kentucky where I live nearly everyone is carrying a firearm and, more likely than not, they've been drinking. So, just taking a moment to collect myself and riding on is usually the best option. Working with local EMS, I happen to be friends with local law enforcement officials and can give a vehicle description which helps to take care of the situation at times.
A couple days ago I was headed southbound coming up on a 4 way intersection (all roads had 2 lanes). I was approaching a stop and a car to my left took off after his stop so I followed. This snowbird (I live in FL) with Michigan license plates didn’t like that I didn’t do my stop (again the car to my left took off so I decided to follow parallel to him). The snow bird ran his stop to try and stop me (he was screaming inside his suv) I just went around him. He ended up blocking the 4 way stop, almost crashed the car to my left, blocked the guy trying to turn, and multiple people were honking at him because he ran a stop and caused chaos. He went from anger to panic 😂 I was maybe 100 meters away and could still hear people honking at him.
I show lots of courtesy to motorists. Thank you wave. I get in front of cars at intersections, out of right turn lane, then move right when the signal changes. I want to be in their head, but not making them angry. I get great results riding this way for 40 + years on Pacific Coast Hwy and many roads along the California coast.
Good advice on this subject. Like all cyclists I've had my share of run ins with crazies behind the wheel. Something I do is always try to stop (rolling stop) when I see a car approach like a 4 way stop, and 95 percent of the time they'll give me the right of way, even if they don't have to. I always, always, wave to them , or any motorist that shows me courtesy.
Tip #7: Do your best not to give them the finger. Point or shake your fist but not the finger. In most cases it extinguishes all hope of intelligent communication. Unfortunately I'm not good at this, but I try. The only time I got through to someone after flipping them off was when a pickup truck accelerated to pass me on a downhill leading into a sharp blind left curve not far from my house. Just past a big 25mph sign, and the computer usually says I'm doing at least that speed at that point. Naturally, just as he pulled alongside, a car emerged from the turn heading towards us. Much squealing of brakes, guardrail next to the edge of the pavement, no shoulder so no place for me to go. Truck somehow completed the pass, and I flipped him off, not really expecting him to see it. He screeched to a stop (funny how they're in such a hurry yet always have time to stop and yell) and began ranting at me. The name of the landscaping outfit I used was on the side of the truck, so I yelled "I'm a customer!!". That shut him up, I told him to go away and he did. For that and other reasons I use a different company now.
Phil's the best but this is nonsense. You come up to a car and engage with someone you're asking for a whole mess of trouble. *Nothing good* is going to come from it. If someone in a car messes with you (either through negligence or outright assault) take pics with your phone as best you can and report them to law enforcement. It may not amount to anything but I am 100% certain a lecture from a cyclist is not going to get you anywhere. I've never seen one end positively.
I’ve had some good conversations with people when I approached it well. You’d be surprised how many people just think of everything else on the road as a “thing” and are surprised with the human reality. That said tone and posture are key. I may be thoroughly angry, but a calm “excuse me, ma’am/sir” will go a long ways. But be smart, you can seriously freak someone out knocking on the window and guns are real.
Solid advice. I find that it's often best to ignore those type of drivers. Sometimes they are looking to get a rise out of you and are looking for a confrontation, and location should be considered as well. I live in nj in the princeton area , if I'm in or around princeton people are generally more reasonable but if I'm in a more rural area forget about it.
Thanks for this. It’s easy to get upset when drivers are cavalier with my safety or even hostile and actively dangerous. I have noticed that responding with the what the heck hand raise to a close pass and Slowdown hand signal when the road is tight results in better behavior by those following. I want to be more like the even tempered Phil G.
Bravo Phil. Great advice and much appreciated. I think many of us have engaged in fist or finger raising, and worse. And we need to teach some people to love not hate us - we might just save a life
Drivers in the Chicago area are getting worse and worse. 1. Looking at their phones. 2. Even though most of us have flashing lights now, drivers are only mentally looking for other cars. We are still invisible to them. 3. “Entitled" drivers in big SUVs and even bigger pickup trucks still intentionally buzz us and/or take the time to roll down the window and yell at us. This happens all the time. Whether in town or way out on the country roads. I am more defensive than ever. If there is a path, I take it rather than stay on the road. I'm afraid we can't win this battle.
@2:00…I wish more motorists realized that they’re driving a murder weapon. What would a reasonable think if I was holding a loaded gun in one hand a scrolling Instagram with the other?
I know how bad it is to be a cyclist in LA! Be safe out there! It’s 1000x worse in Thailand where I currently live, no rules, no laws, no respect for cyclists or even pedestrians.
For what it's worth, I've had only a few car/bike/road-rage incidents in all the years I cycled. But, lately, after a very long time of no car/bike incidents, I had one just before Christmas ('21). It involved an older couple in a nice looking SUV, and as I had the light to cross and was beginning to, the driver (the male) pulled out in front of me (he still had the red light). I had to swerve out in front of him, and into the on-coming intersecting lane (no cars fortunately). It bothered me, and I glanced back after I was passed him and shook my head slightly (and thought to myself "idiot"). That was that, or so I thought. But he somehow found me (I'd taken a different way home, a side street hard to locate from the lane he'd been in, but he was apparently motivated). He slowed. I watched the passengers side coming down. The woman with him was yelling at him, and he at her; and then I saw it: A large styro-foam Quick Trip-like cup. I knew what was about to happen, but, it didn't work out like that, because instead of dousing me with whatever was in the cup, he miscalculated his trajectory and spilled the lions share of it on the woman passenger---who immediately began screaming at him once again. I, in the meantime, just kept on riding. (I did give him a big overhead wave, which got an angry, prolonged honk). A perfect example of 'instant karma' for the driver, but I'm sad the event ever occurred. I don't think I was in the wrong in reacting as I did. Though I suppose I could have ignored the original incident. But I was really unhappy with the guys total lack of concern for both blocking what is a pedestrian-bike crossing, as well as his unconcern for my safety at that moment. Like the video here says---road rage really has increased a lot lately. This was a city ride. I much prefer gravel excursions because of what happened to me last Christmas. I will load up my bike and go outside of the city if I want a good, enjoyable, and safer ride.
First thing out of their mouth, "I didn't see you". Me, touring bike, fenders, panniers, two daylight visible rear blinkers, yellow road safety vest, yellow helmet. Me, "ummm... you were next to me at that red light 50 feet back". Driver sets phone down on console. Me, "I know a cyclist that got killed last year by a driver, and that driver was YOU!". Then I pedaled away. She drove off in her blue Nissan Leaf, environmentally aware, save the earth, phone back to her face.
There are bad drivers and equally there are bad cyclists... As a member of both of these groups I head out riding n drivin with the same positive mental attitude and prefer to be passive rather than aggressive. Far too many people head out on to the roads with or wound up like a corkscrew it's never good to head in with that mind set as inevitably ****t will find you, head out and just enjoy cycling and if you do come across anyone the 1st thing said here rings true… ask yourself “is this worth it…! Stay safe yee all!
I had a super close call one time. I was riding down a hill past a shopping center and this guy in a SUV turned from the opposite direction into the shopping center. I could see him starting to turn so I started to yell at him, all while I was starting to hit my brakes. As he started to turn my wheels literally locked up and I was sliding down the hill. Thankfully I missed him by a few meters. I was so pissed off that I turned into the shopping center to curse him out. After a few minutes I could not find his car and was standing in the parking lot trying to cool down, when the guy drives up to me, rolls down his window and was like "dude I am so sorry, I did not see you". He was visibly upset knowing he almost really hurt me. Seeing he felt bad and the fact he found me in the parking lot, I told him I really couldn't be mad because he apologized and was sorry. The guy must have been in his mid-20s also. Now I live in a more rural area (still lots of people) and when riding on back roads there are plenty of places where it is hard to pass me. I make a habit of either pulling off in a side road so they can pass or if I see it is safe ahead, I will wave them on. I get a lot of friendly "thanks" beeps when people pass me. Haven't had too many jerks, but I did have someone blow coal on me on a military base. At least he was way up ahead, but still.
As a person of color, I don't think that approaching a driver would be received in the manner as Phil approaching a driver. As a result, I don't think it's worth it for me. However, I do ride with a helmet camera, just in case something happens and I need an objective document of events.
Very cool video Phil something that needs to be done by hundreds of us so that it actually gets out there I was hit and run in October 2017 on a road that has maybe 15 cars in a 3 mi stretch during this time of day and it's a hundred yards wide and there wasn't anyone around person came up I'm doing 18 or 19 it's a little uphill and I've got a hunk behind me well I just waved him around but we had a it's not a bike lane it's dirty as hell this is Utah very gravelly and small town they came up and honked at me I just waved him around it's a 14 ft Lane it's a 14 ft center lane it's a 14 ft other side and then a 6-ft parking Lane and I hear the throttle open up and then I woke up in a ditch later on on my felt F1 that was actually Martin mascants your teammate in 2008 his Perry will be a bike. I was left in a ditch with seven active fractures in my spine and no witnesses it took me two and a half years to get the back sorted out it now has I'm fused from l1 through l5 but I have like world class doctor and I'm able to do 90% of everything but now I'm not a big gun fan I was married to a Brit for 20 years I picked up a small sidearm and I carry it with a quick draw holster because I do a lot of gravel riding out here there's bike pirates everywhere now and if you're rolling around on a $12,000 bike you're a Target and I'm out in Poe dunk on gaswell roads I've had two encounters where I actually had people come up and try on a cost me until they saw that I was armed I didn't do anything but then they go oh hey man sorry I thought you were somebody else so I don't advise having to carry a gun not my choice by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also looking to come home at the end of the day like you are. Sorry I was I saw your video and then I'm driving so this is a ramble on talk to the phone thanks man love the videos keep up the good work.
The very first advice is the very best. The rest don't even want to try to interact with stupid humans. It's not worth of it. You'll loose time and hear bunch of shit...
I practice utter disengagement while also completely breaking almost all traffic rules. I don't have any of the rights of motorized road users so I figure I also don't have any of the responsibilities. I refuse to talk or engage in any way with any motorist, and will often make a sudden turn onto a sidewalk or sidestreet if a driver tries to talk or honks at me. No good can come out of trying to talk to a driver for the simple reason that drivers believe roads belong only to drivers. I'll usually wear visible headphones as for both sound protection and as a declaration that I'm not going to listen to whatever a driver is trying to say to me. I did recently read that the average cost of a used car is now $37,000 and a new one is $48,000. More than half of US citizens cannot afford the monthly payments of a 72 month loan on said cars, and that a used 150,000 mile pickup is now above $7,000. As cars have now become an unaffordable necessity for the majority of citizens, it follows the widespread adoption of bicycles and eBikes must soon occur. You cannot be a driver when you cannot afford to drive.
unfortunately Phil. it has gotten way out of control, hence why you are seeing grave and MTB pick up. I have been hit twice and cars don't give a shit about us. The forbidden fruit is the culprit, in addition to the hardened hearted assholes that have no shame hitting us and getting away with it. NO more road for me. it is tooo unsafe
One thing I do is look at the driver in the face. Either give them a thunbs trying to show them "hey, I am here", or give a body gesture "come on!". I don´t usually talk cause I find it not safe and unproductive.
As long as they don't hit you, just smile and wave. I know it's not equitable, but you win the moral stakes and you might even de-escalate. In general, I try to "help" nervous drivers get around me; if they're stuck behind, I try to indicate I know they are there, waiting and then wave 'em past as soon as it's safe. Then again, Im riding in northern NJ, you're in California. If someone almost swipes me, I might report it, along with the video footage (record difficult ride segments of nothing else).
On Maui I ended up having to purchased a Life Insurance policy if I want to keep riding my road bike. The amount of text and driving, DUI and heaters it’s too much! And I’m taking Sundays at 7:00 am!
Great post, there is one point which you might want to change though. >don't knock on the window< Just ride up and say excuse me... through the closed window, say your piece politely and ride away . One time where I did knock on a guy's window... really enraged him further. I'm doing delivery and a guy is in his car stopped in a truck only loading zone. I pulled up and beeped the horn. The guy didn't move. The back of the truck is still sticking out into the street. I walked up, knocked on the window and said to the guy "your car isn't supposed to be here" I then walked back to the truck. He came running out of the car screaming "Moth* F*cker you touched my car" He was yelling so much, other people from the sidewalk walked up to us concerned that something bad might happen.
I do the 1st like Phil said, I recall one time I thought I was gonna die, it's hard to except those kind of drivers, gets me a bit when I think of that so I don't, it's hard out there. I find it incredible that I can cycle and have close calls (in the day) yet I put a flashing light on and they lessen.. yet it never was like that, maybe life's got more stressful the further we go on in the age of humanity, be safe out there people 🙏
I have helped to marshall/cork intersections on large group rides to help keep everyone safe. It is amazing how receptive drivers can be when you speak with them (not at them) in a calm, rational, voice. Every now and then, you'll get some asshat that wants to hurt people with their car, but they are few and far between. However, when I'm out by myself, my response is a genuine yell of "sorry, i was being an asshole." works like a charm; sometimes the driver who was being reckless in the first place will even apologise. safe riding all.
Unfortunately it seems to be a worldwide issue, things have gotten visibly worse here in France since the pandemic. I prefer thinking that people just don't realise how dangerous their actions are. I've started spending more time on my mtb than on the road, I love riding but the idea of knowing I'll have a few close calls on every road ride is daunting.
I'd suggest riding with front and rear cameras then report the vehicle to the authorities. There's too many crazy people with guns in the states and too many dangerous/ violent lunatics in the UK.
Not sure if lecturing people or treating them like schoolchildren when they’re in traffic or have somewhere to go is a good idea. Would you be receptive to someone you just had a confrontation with just started lecturing you? Or would you hold a grudge against them? Maybe they had a bad day and the next day or later that week they cool off and realize they were in the wrong. This method of lecturing is basically asking them to repent on your schedule, at the next traffic light.
All solid advice, we all have our own approach., After 40 years of racing and riding I unfortunately feel drivers just don't care. I just try to be safe and survive.
How many have heard of rolling smoke?? I have someone in a diesel pick-up who thinks it's fun to turn on the black smoke when he passes a cyclist. He apparently doesn't like sharing the road with bicycles and this is his way of showing his anger. I am just glad he doesn't run over me.
My New Years resolution is to turn the other cheek with motorists. I live in an area that somehow sees both insane levels of tolerance and patience and ghastly levels of anger. It’ll be a challenge. But I’ll be damned if I’ll ever let the bad ones tarnish my ride.
Trying training mix martial arts. Get your bench press up to about 350 lb, your squat up to at least 480lb, and the deadlift up to 550lb. Kindly finger gesture the motorist to have a nice chat at the side of the road. Tell the motorist you would like to have a wonderful conversation with them.
I found today I had a close pass so I did the whole "what gives?" universal code, the next 2 cars behind give me the most room in the world and get a solid appreciation from me. On the other hand, a driver in his 60s let's say nearly kills me last year I'm on a very short section of 2 lane road looking to turn right (uk) so I take that lane, he tries to overtake me on the inside and then just pushes me to the right to the point of nearly slamming me against a wall. I catch up and I'm very mad but I'm gesturing "what was that?" NOTHING not even a sorry. I catch up at the next lights and park my bike on the floor in front of him and just vent, I use so many swear words the people around me have stopped to look. I ended with YOU COULD HAVE F***ING KILLED ME. Rare that it gets that bad and you just hope despite outward presentation they think "best not do that again" (unless nearly killed) I'm always pleasant on the road, obey every road rule going, if I'm aware there are a number of cars wanting to pass I'll look to pull over, at the end of the day we are all trying to get somewhere and most drivers will be able to tell I'm trying to let them past.
I am going to confess to being that auto driver who looked right thru a cyclist coming down a lane and turned in front. (10 years ago). And the cyclist followed your script. I was horrified by what I had done and the think about every day. The conversations can work when done well.
I’ve got a mate was abused at lights in Oz. He just pulled up next to him at the next red and threw the guys keys on a shop roof and went home. I won’t name him, he’s not unknown in the cycling scene ha ha
Well, good advice on the whole. With that said, unless law enforcement and people are held accountable and given serious penalties for accidents with cyclist/pedestrians...it is just a game of luck and survival. When people are sitting in prison for 20yrs minimum for killing someone on a bike or pedestrian and the media gets that out there...maybe people will begin to think twice. But it still doesn't stop drunk drivers and idiots, nothing will. Good luck to everyone, nearly got swipped and hit within 1ft the other day...no chance to catch the person...FL is insane and the worst in the Country.
I've experienced asshole driver's only a couple of times. I have no idea why they think they think they own the road and want cyclists to go away. I've experienced "nice" drivers three or four times. Most recently I almost got run over crossing a street and the driver asked me if I was ok even though it was my fault the situation occurred.
If someone does something risky or aggressive to get past me we'll usually end up crossing paths again when they get stuck at the lights or in traffic. Always fun to get back in front of them and make them have a good think about what they really achieved.
That was really good! But I think the best tip is not to confront. The best war is the one not fought. "He was riding the bike and got hit... by a bullet in the face." Yeah no thanks!
I ask them how much liability insurance they have and then remind them that a lot of doctors and specialists ride bikes around where I live and if they injure or kill one, their liability insurance won't be enough and they will lose everything they own. Assume you can't afford to injure or kill a cyclist ever. It's more expensive than you can imagine.
On a country road, a Prius snuck up behind me and the driver laid on the horn before passing. There is no catching up with someone like that riding the hills of VA.
After 35 years of riding i've adopted a similar approach. You're never gonna win against a car. Often on group rides, i see guys start flipping drivers off, cursing, and escalating the situation. It never helps. Looking at these guys from a 3rd person perspective, i understand why. These drivers are already aggitated for whatever reason, so you can't throw fuel onto the fire. Either let it go, or approach it calmly, like you described.
If there is an escape route that the motorists can't fit their car on I will insult the crap out of the dangerous driver ,finger and all, because I know I am not in danger. If motorist cuts me off or tries to run me off road and there isn't any place to evade them I will just get out of the way and won't say anything at all .
Cycling with a friend when a truck from behind honked and gunned the engine going by us then pulled sharply in front of us into a drive. The driver got out and ran, yelling towards us. I barely missed him with my front wheel, he went straight for my friend and started a fist fight in the middle of the street. He somehow grabbed the bike and threw it. Luckily (major luck) a black SUV pulls up, secret service, he saw it all, cuffed the driver and waited for the city PD. The driver was jailed, after his sentence he had to pay a fine, then pay for and take anger management classes and pay for all repairs on the bike
That is so crazy I don't believe you could've made it up
..and what were you doing to p.o said maniac? c'mon... spill it.
Wow…the secret service…
Lucky! I know a house with former WH guy that used to have Secret Service waiting out there. But not a lot of crazy traffic in that street.
Honestly, you've got to show appreciation for good manners too. Here in the UK we cycle on narrow roads a lot. It's obvious when a driver has slowed and taken time to do safe overtake. They get a solid 'Thumbs-up' from me everytime. Make it a game - try and show more love than hate on every ride and tip the balance towards drivers expecting that you'll show appreciation of their efforts.
I do that a lot. If I call someone on when a blind bend(to them) is clear I usually get a wave or a toot and they immediately get a thumbs up in return. Kill 'em with kindness by being a knight of the road.
Yeah, just like how Pil tries to be calm and reasonable in the scary situations, being appreciative when drivers show good manners can really surprise people in a good way.
I do try to show consideration for vehicles (I’m a driver too) though I have slapped a few hoods. I always give a wave, smile and mouth a thank you when any driver is considerate to me.
I couldn't agree more, if other road users have waited patiently behind me when I'm riding here in the UK I always raise a hand in thanks. I even do this to multiple cars in the line if I've been slogging up a climb. If cyclists implant that impression of gratitude and good manners into other road users image of them as a collective, this can only help attitudes change towards cyclists in the grand scheme of things. There will always be ignorance in all forms of daily life but it never hurts to say thank you and potentially change someone else's perception of your community. Stay safe out there!
Yes!! Really good to see this, one thank you or a wave improves things between us. When bus drivers are careful I give them a big thumbs up and all the passengers see that too. We've got to share the road, that doesn't mean behaving like A..holes. If everyone behaved as we do Matt we wouldn't have such a problem, thumbs up from me too...
I'm 73 and I've been riding a bicycle seriously since the early '70s. When I started riding seven miles to work in the Philadelphia western suburbs I had to go through several high-traffic areas and encountered crazy, mad and inconsiderate drivers every week. That was when it was pretty rare to see anybody on a racing bicycle. My wife and I rode around France, Italy and southern England for a year, then we moved to Texas. In Europe, over several thousand miles, there was no road rage at all, although some impolite drivers in England. Over the years I've lived in San Antonio, Cleveland Hts, Ohio, Pennington, NJ and now a small city in western PA. Of all those places, the most courteous drivers by far were in Texas. More than once, out in the Hill Country, some guys in a big old truck slowed down and handed me a beer out the window. I had incidents in OH and central Jersey, but nothing serious. In 19 years out here in New Castle, one idiot tried to coal roll me, one guy yelled at me to put my pants on (I was wearing cycling shorts), two Amish girls laughed at me because they thought I looked funny, and that's about it.
Over the years, my outlook has changed. I am a very lucky person in many ways. My life is not very complicated or stressful. Many people have complicated and stressful lives, and I feel like I should cut them some slack. All in all, in 50 years of cycling, I have tried to follow the same rules on the road as motor vehicles, and I have had very few incidents of any kind.
In Texas, out in the country, if you wave to oncoming drivers they wave back.
NOPE. I’m stopping at #1. It isn’t worth it. They’ve already shown me that my life has zero value to them through their reckless driving/rage, so there’s no way I’m engaging any further. Not a chance. Ignore them, get a license plate if you can and report them later, and move on.
Yes, this is the way. Assume that everyone in a car believes they are in a very expensive invulnerable suit of armour that grants them the right to maim and kill on a whim unless proven otherwise. Their actions and reactions are typically opposite if they are outside their vehicle but they are not outside their vehicle and they just endangered your life. You are rolling a dice if you try to educate every bad driver and it is simply not worth the risk. As tempting as it can be to confront them, if you don’t want to escalate an already dangerous situation (they already have a deadly weapon) just stop, breathe, and report their behaviour.
I suspect many of them haven't shown that. A lot of drivers are plain unaware how vulnerable cyclists are. They are isolated from the world inside their metal boxes, and they are not conscious of the fact that even a gentle bump from a car can cause a cyclist to fall, or that even a low-speed fall can result in very serious injury or death.
Once as a pedestrian I had a car fly through a right turn nearly hitting me. I happened to have papers in my hand and a pencil in my pocket so I jotted down the tag. He saw me and circled back yelling "did I hit you?!" not with concern but kind of mocking.
I blurted out "what would you do if someone nearly hit your mother like that?" dunno why I picked mother, just inspiration. His attitude changed instantly and he apologized with sincerity. So I crumpled up the sheet and tossed it. But I think the key was finding his empathy key.
Puppies is probably a good one too.
Solid advice. Also try to remember what shoes you have on before escalating a fight with an angry motorist.
I was once sharing a road in Canoga Park. Some guy rolled down his window and shouted: "go on the sidewalk." I ignored him because you can't reason with an ignorant, uneducated person.
I had this once, the guy kept on yelling and it just started getting ridiculous but I was proud of my self control. Finally he just went silent, then said my name. Turns out it was my roommate (also a cyclist) pulling my leg! We had a good laugh!
1. Do your best to acknowledge the drivers that are giving you room when they safely pass.
2. Look over your left shoulder to let those who are behind you know you’re doing your best to move to the right when safe.
3. Don’t knock on windows. This will often escalate the situation. If they don’t roll down the window they don’t want to talk to you. Let it go.
4. Trying to catch them at the next light to talk usually ends in people yelling at each other. If you were almost hit, your body is in a ‘fight/flight response. Add ego to that and we have a road rage incident.
Can confirm every single point. Been there, done that - you're absolutely right! 👍
Spot on!
I don't think most end in a fight but nothing wrong with standing your ground.
I always wave in thanks when cars give me a lot of room in passing. I think if cyclists show appreciation drivers will be more courteous going forward.
I’m a waver. It’s the most disarming gesture I’m aware of. I wave so vigorously I want people to think they must know me. And eventually they’ll just say “hey there’s that guy! Love that guy!”
I wave, too. I'm skeptical that it will change bad drivers since the bad ones will never get a friendly wave.
I smile and wave when they honk!
Wave n 😊
I wave cos it's nice but you're not going to make folks who threaten to kill you courteous by being polite.
Descalation is definitely key. I think what makes me angriest is when I don’t get the opportunity to just TALK to people. I’ve had some really positive encounters that have started off fairly heated.
That said, the best result I ever had was when some moron cut me up on a roundabout (traffic circle to you guys I guess). The red mist descended on us both and he started being very silly - passed me at speed, skidded to halt in front of me and was out of the car trying to get hold of me. He missed and I just carried on, only for him to repeat the process several times, unsuccessfully. He eventually ended up trying to out-brake a van heading into the next junction, swerving round it to to try to get to me. This time, once he’d positioned himself far enough up the road and got out of the car to grab me as I passed, the van driver (who was about twice his size) unfortunately got to him to first. I’m pretty sure he had him by the scruff of the neck as I went by. I figured I’d just leave them to sort it out among themselves. 😁
do not deescalate by knocking on their window or telling them to take a breath, that was awful advice
I agree. Where I live, at least, I would never knock on a window or even touch a car. My younger self may have done it but I have learned that people are just too crazy.
absolutely. crazy idea. get ready to have your head blown off. Most of this "advice" I disagree with.
A great and very sensible video.
I'm in Ireland and it applies just as much here.
Be calm, be rational and don't escalate.
Also, as a cyclist, be aware of traffic behind you.
I use mirrors and I find them invaluable. They're great for keeping me aware of my environment behind me and not just for whenever I want to change my position on the road.
When I am on a stretch of road or a street where I am actually slowing down traffic behind me (I regularly pull a fully loaded bike trailer too!), I deliberately pull in to a convenient spot and give a little wave on for the following vehicles. I regularly (not always) get thank you beeps from the traffic going past.
This may stop me for a few seconds or sometimes longer but I think courtesy and respect on the road goes both ways.
I know and have seen many videos of cyclist's who take the stance that they have as much right to be on that road as any motorist and they won't be bullied or intimidated into giving up their space.
Yes they do have that right.
But sometimes pulling to one side to just be courteous makes you the much bigger person AND does more to promote the reputation and standing of cyclist's as a whole in the perception of the driver behind you.
I also own a car, drive tractors and for my main employment I am a white van driver so I see it all on the roads from different perspectives.
And finally, on a slight tangent, if you are driving and stuck in traffic or running late or just generally under pressure, the best way to relieve that stress and frustration when you are under pressure and feeling a lack of control at that time is to do this.
Just let someone else who is trying to get out into the traffic out in front of you.
You may think that letting another car out in front of you will just slow you down and delay you even more and create even more stress and technically that may be true to a small degree.
But you make a personal choice that puts you psychologically back in control and it puts the situation you are in there and then into perspective and is virtually guaranteed to relieve nearly all of the stress you are under just in that situation.
I do it all the time when I'm stuck in traffic and already late.
Not every car of course.
But a couple.
If you are already 10 minutes late, what is another minute going to change compared to being nice to some other people on the way and making their day a little bit better too?
Peace and health to all ✌️
What part of Ireland are you in. I recently moved here with mg Irish wife and kids, and man cars dont give two ish about cyclist. Well, at least a good majority. Im in West Cork on the country side. I cycle with my father in law and the amount of ppl that overtake us while a vehicle is coming on the opposite side of the road it’s insane. We had truck drivers do it, women, men, kids, new drivers, learners. I done seen it all. Ppl even overtaking us on bends putting anyones lives at risk just to get passed us. I see vehicles speed passed us while cars were coming from opposite side before they got there nearly colliding. Its one of the things that pissed me of the most is when theres more than 1 car behind and cars are coming down on the other side and the car behind me squeezes through and then the rest behind think they can all do the same. It’s so reckless the way they drive here. I had it done while walking over to the neighbor on the side of the road with my 2 and 3yr old.
1. never worth it; an idiot will first drag you down to his level and then beat you with their experience
Muy cierto
Lots of extremely good advice here. It's so hard to contain one's anger when you're in fight or flight mode, so I think that first bullet is extremely important. Make sure you take a second to seriously assess if it's "worth it" to engage. When I'm in that aggressive (scared) state, the answer is almost always "no" because I'm not able to de-escalate. And I know you know this, but worth pointing out for others that this subject has dramatically different dynamics for women, BIPOC, and other marginalized groups.
I am an ex-runner, ran 800m and 1500m in college. Knees, so I became a cyclist and I love it. But in 2018 I was hit from behind by a car that drifted into the bike lane, Broke both legs, both my arms, 5 ribs, my collarbone and a skull fracture. I was unconscious instantly but the police said the guy was devastated and sorry - a school janitor who spoke little English. This is something I just didn't deal with as a runner. I never ride during morning commute or evening commute as that seems to be when the distracted, aggressive potential killers are thickest on the roads.
Another reason why we need a stronger border. Let's Go Brandon
Omg, that sounds like such a traumatic accident. Well done for not letting it put you off completely. Commuting is the absolute worst, the one time I hate cycling.
@@pingpongballz5998 WTF? That's your take on this? beardelmar didn't even say where the guy was from. And it doesn't matter. The point is that he was a distracted driver, not that he was likely born outside of the US. And he apparently cared enough that he stuck around, if the police were able to talk to him quickly and easily. And he was likely here legally if he did that and wasn't treated horribly and deported. SMH.
@@danbuck9214 as someone who came to this country and went through the legal process, you won't be able to pass your citizenship test without knowing English!
@@pingpongballz5998 Well done to you for passing that test! I have several friends who have, and it is HARD! In fact, most people born in the U.S. couldn't pass it without some serious studying. I also know that depending on your test official, you can get through with less than excellent spoken English. There are also ways to become a naturalized citizen once you've been here for a while, as I understand it.
Solid message, Phil. We all need a reminder like this every now and then. ✌️
The one argument I always bring up that drivers can cut me off, pull in right in front of me, block paths. I can deal with that, I ride my bike almost daily and have great bike control.
But kids on their way to school or elderly folks going for a shop might not be able to react and prevent accidents.
That's why most of those kids will never get to ride a bike on the street. These rides through Ventura Blvd that Phil shows here are not for everyone. The way our roads are designed for multi-purpose use does not work well for any group of users. Sad thing.
Respectfully. Best advice is, do not confront a road rage situation. Period. Save your energy and mental focus to begin quickly making the necessary making of mental notes to articulate a report if necessary. Telling an “enraged person” to calm down or take it easy is terrible advice. It’s not cool. People carry weapons and when enraged will use them. It’s rage your dealing with. Blood red. De-escalating sometimes means staying out of it. Say nothing. Go away. Change routes. Make peace with peace. This is not a sign of weakness but intelligence. Walking or riding away is learned behavior. Because it’s very easy to be sucked into another persons toxicity if you allow it. We aren’t psychologists or a person’s parents. Although we may think we are well capable, trust, we do not sufficiently know or understand enough about why any person is PO’d. It could be very complicated or very simple. It may have stemmed long before getting to you or your group. It’s certainly not going to deescalate by knocking on someone’s window or having a critical chat about safety. The last is. Respect rules of the road. We cyclists are some of the worst offenders perpetuating some pretty crazy road manners. Lead by example. Doing so you ensures you will have a better chance of making it home. Truth hurts. But peace and respect sometimes, many times, starts with us. Because at the end of every day, life is more than just us. Our families, our loved ones and friends want us alive. Peace.
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100%. But doable.
Your approach shows extreme maturity, self-control and diplomacy. In the heat of the moment I only hope I can show half as much. A really constructive approach.
Practice, unfortunately
Wow, it’s amazing how much relief one can experience when someone talks about something in a calm, common sense manner. I guess it speaks to the stress that we all seem to be under. I appreciate you looking out for all of us by posting this little video. 👍
This is so on point. Even though you might feel or even BE justified in a more aggressive approach, it's important to not lose sight of what's constructive. This thoughtful and methodical approach is about your only chance to land your message with someone.
No it's not. I am appalled to see how many cyclist want to turn the other cheek nonsense. Stand your ground and they will start to understand cyclist are not to be messed with. Goodness sake when did everyone become scared to stand their ground.
Thanks for that. Not one time has flipping someone off ever resulted in a positive outcome, even if you feel slightly better for a second. If there’s no chance I’ll catch them, like on a major road without lights, I just ignore. I also won’t chase them down if catching them with an effort is even possible. It only only has me huffing and puffing, and unable to really talk and then I’m sure I’d come across as totally out of control. Occasionally, I’ll ask them to roll down the window if I do roll next to them, and I always start with “Wow, I really thought I was going to die/crash/etc when you went past. The law requires cars to pass bikes safely with a clearance of X. I was lucky this time, but next time what if I got killed because of dangerous driving?” Let them know how YOU felt rather than start by attacking. And, I have now been riding with video cameras whenever solo, which I’ve had to use one time (and it didn’t end well for the school bus driver).
Thanks Phil!! Always best to stay positive. Curious, has anyone ever filed an insurance claim with a motorist who didn't hit you, but caused you to skid hard enough to ruin an expensive tire? Had a lady cut into a driveway in front of me recently, I skidded and ended up with a bald spot on my tire. I was close to stopping and asking for her insurance info. I had just gestured to her indicating I needed space because of parked cars and she had given me space, and then she passed me and pulled right in front of me like she didn't realize I was there!! I do have a wife and kids at home!! Stay safe everyone!!
No. To file anything, you need damages. A worn tire is a wear and tear item. I once went to the CHP to report a driver that break-checked me on the 110 FWY for honking at him, baby in car etc. They said they only take reports from CHP officers. "It's your word against his. You need to show damages."
@@DerFilmgucker A blown-out or square tyre is damages. I know of case where a motorist deliberately pulled from the slow lane into the fast lane on an unrestricted motorway because he felt two drivers come from behing were driving too fast (he admitted as much to the police) and he ended up paying for four new tyres for each of them. Unfortunately for him the cars in question were both big, powerful cars, so it was quite a pretty hefty bill.
I wear the most yellow I can. That's helped a lot when I'm up here in the fog in the Pacific Northwest. I was having a huge problem with these gigantic pickup trucks and logging trucks buzzing me as they passed. But ever since I started being incredibly visible, not just a little visible, but like sarcastically visible, I've had much more luck at respectful interactions.
Well done Phil. So many hit and run(drive) lately. It’s very important to push this. Thank you for using your voice.
Here in Phoenix I can't get a single ride in without a close-call, someone honking, shouting, or punish-passing me. It really is demoralizing and has left me riding indoors. I really hope the selfish and car-centric mindset of most Americans changes one day.
I have ridden Phoenix and don't have that problem, not a bad city to ride in, decent bike laws.
Since I usually ride the same area I try to wave and thank you waves to people when they come around. I want them when they see me to say oh there’s my wave guy. He’s out getting in his miles. I become an object people like to see instead of hate. The sunglasses we wear and when we don’t smile or acknowledge drivers we give the appearance of douchebags when most of us are not.
Great advice. I’m in UK and also had many bad experiences with motorists over the years. One more recent was when a car turned into me and I just managed to miss them. I stopped and spoke to the driver (a woman) and explained how a friend had recently been badly hurt in a similar accident and she apologised. We ended up wishing each other well and went on our ways. Much better outcome than in the past when I would get angry in these situations and things would just escalate.
Good advice, but often hard to implement in the heat of the moment.
Thanks Phil - great video. We’ve all experienced this, and it’s hard to stay calm in these situations but you’re absolutely right that it’s the best thing to try to do. One thing I’ve been doing on my rides lately that’s helped me is to try to pay attention to all the courteous drivers out there while I’m riding. Since I’ve done this it’s helped me to see that there are many more courteous ones than aggressive ones. There’s still those few that can scare the heck out of you, but I find it nice to know that’s there’s many more that will give you a little space, or yield for a second to let you cross an intersection. Thanks, and stay safe out there!
Good advice. Been riding since I was 5 on the roads of New Hampshire. Never once felt in danger. Then after college I moved to Panama City Florida. Felt like I was risking death every time I went out for a ride, even in groups. And for good reason. A local physician was run down and killed on purpose, and a serviceman from the Naval Coastal Systems Center was struck and killed by a drunk driver on Thomas Drive. Several other riders I know were injured by motorists. A beer bottle was hurled at us while riding near Tyndal AFB, and struck the front wheel of my buddy's bike, no injuries. I could go on with more examples, but you get the point. Stay safe out there folks.
Yep, toured across U.S. three times. The south is bad, and Florida drivers just plain don't want you on their roads. If you wade through NHTSA and GHSA reports you will learn that FL has the highest per capita death rate for peds and cyclists.
This is why I now spend at least half of my rides on gravel - so sick of dealing with drivers and attitude on the road. I really find myself ending rides a lot happier and relaxed on the gravel vs. spending the whole ride wondering what's coming up behind you every 5 seconds. Luckily we have wide shoulders here in Detroit for the most part and staying far to the right helps with the angry driver situation.
The last time I confronted a motorist for a rather unnecessary close pass: After we had to stop at the same intersection and me just saying "Hey, that was close and didn't get you any further" through his window, he drove away with squealing tyres, stopped at the next driveway, ran on the middle of the road and tried to push me off the bike yelling something aggressive - in traffic on a federal road. Done for confrontation in the next 1-2 years if don't actually crash or have to jump off the bike.
I'll think of these steps but I think the hard part will always be getting in a conversation without either side escalating first.
Great advice. I like the mini-lecture that you laid out. You're right to tell the driver that they are looking at many legal problems for getting to Quickie Mart just that much faster. Up to now, I've gotten by with the Look. My father, a former Army officer and Vietnam Vet would give us the Look. Usually, misbehaving drivers correct themselves. As for knocking on the window, as a cyclist, you can probably tell the difference between a stupid mistake worthy of a chat or maliciousness, where you move on.
Thank you for this intelligent discussion of an emotional event/s. Let's keep our heads in these scenarios and take Phil's excellent advice. I am going to try to remember this sage talk every time I head out the door to ride.
Egregious driving goes straight to the adrenal gland. It is SO hard to not want to absolutely tear someone’s jaw off if they are intentionally trying to kill you with their car. I agree, the high road is always the best approach but boy is it hard sometimes.
It's give and take! As an avid bicyclists and driver with a CDL license, I get to see both sides more often. To be honest, I see more bicyclists at falt. Not obeying the traffic laws and riding irresponsibly. These types of riders give us a bad reputation and provoke drivers. Ride and drive responsibly.
Peace..
Bad take. Bikes and cars are just trying to get somewhere. They break laws at the same rate statistically. Cyclist are vulnerable to cars but not the other way around.
Truer words were never spoken, I completely agree. I have given depositions for cyclist involved in accidents. And, I have yelled at a few cyclist from the bike, " You're giving me a bad name as a rider". Been cheered from vehicles for those.
We get what we give: Respect.
Its a good advice and I hope I can act as cool as you. In my many years as a cyclist I experienced a lot of situations that could have ended my life. There are a lot of car drivers that dont think much or are not aware how dangerous they act. In my younger years as a bike messenger in Cologne Germany a big truck nearly runs over me. I jumped into the side green to save my live. I cought him at the next red light and asked him: didnt you see me? His answer: I saw you, but you dont belong here…so be careful out there. Love Joerg
Great advice. Keeping a calm demeanor can be the best option. In the area of south-eastern Kentucky where I live nearly everyone is carrying a firearm and, more likely than not, they've been drinking. So, just taking a moment to collect myself and riding on is usually the best option. Working with local EMS, I happen to be friends with local law enforcement officials and can give a vehicle description which helps to take care of the situation at times.
A couple days ago I was headed southbound coming up on a 4 way intersection (all roads had 2 lanes). I was approaching a stop and a car to my left took off after his stop so I followed. This snowbird (I live in FL) with Michigan license plates didn’t like that I didn’t do my stop (again the car to my left took off so I decided to follow parallel to him). The snow bird ran his stop to try and stop me (he was screaming inside his suv) I just went around him. He ended up blocking the 4 way stop, almost crashed the car to my left, blocked the guy trying to turn, and multiple people were honking at him because he ran a stop and caused chaos. He went from anger to panic 😂 I was maybe 100 meters away and could still hear people honking at him.
I show lots of courtesy to motorists. Thank you wave. I get in front of cars at intersections, out of right turn lane, then move right when the signal changes. I want to be in their head, but not making them angry. I get great results riding this way for 40 + years on Pacific Coast Hwy and many roads along the California coast.
Good advice on this subject. Like all cyclists I've had my share of run ins with crazies behind the wheel. Something I do is always try to stop (rolling stop) when I see a car approach like a 4 way stop, and 95 percent of the time they'll give me the right of way, even if they don't have to. I always, always, wave to them , or any motorist that shows me courtesy.
I always tried to wave or say thank you to the cars that see me and make room either when passing or for backing up at side streets
I was tailgated by a school bus driven by my g/f's jealous former husband. Such a weak jerk and I reported it to his employer.
Tip #7: Do your best not to give them the finger. Point or shake your fist but not the finger. In most cases it extinguishes all hope of intelligent communication. Unfortunately I'm not good at this, but I try.
The only time I got through to someone after flipping them off was when a pickup truck accelerated to pass me on a downhill leading into a sharp blind left curve not far from my house. Just past a big 25mph sign, and the computer usually says I'm doing at least that speed at that point. Naturally, just as he pulled alongside, a car emerged from the turn heading towards us. Much squealing of brakes, guardrail next to the edge of the pavement, no shoulder so no place for me to go. Truck somehow completed the pass, and I flipped him off, not really expecting him to see it. He screeched to a stop (funny how they're in such a hurry yet always have time to stop and yell) and began ranting at me. The name of the landscaping outfit I used was on the side of the truck, so I yelled "I'm a customer!!". That shut him up, I told him to go away and he did. For that and other reasons I use a different company now.
Phil's the best but this is nonsense. You come up to a car and engage with someone you're asking for a whole mess of trouble. *Nothing good* is going to come from it. If someone in a car messes with you (either through negligence or outright assault) take pics with your phone as best you can and report them to law enforcement. It may not amount to anything but I am 100% certain a lecture from a cyclist is not going to get you anywhere. I've never seen one end positively.
I’ve had some good conversations with people when I approached it well. You’d be surprised how many people just think of everything else on the road as a “thing” and are surprised with the human reality. That said tone and posture are key. I may be thoroughly angry, but a calm “excuse me, ma’am/sir” will go a long ways. But be smart, you can seriously freak someone out knocking on the window and guns are real.
Solid advice. I find that it's often best to ignore those type of drivers. Sometimes they are looking to get a rise out of you and are looking for a confrontation, and location should be considered as well. I live in nj in the princeton area , if I'm in or around princeton people are generally more reasonable but if I'm in a more rural area forget about it.
Thanks for this. It’s easy to get upset when drivers are cavalier with my safety or even hostile and actively dangerous. I have noticed that responding with the what the heck hand raise to a close pass and Slowdown hand signal when the road is tight results in better behavior by those following. I want to be more like the even tempered Phil G.
Bravo Phil. Great advice and much appreciated. I think many of us have engaged in fist or finger raising, and worse. And we need to teach some people to love not hate us - we might just save a life
Drivers in the Chicago area are getting worse and worse.
1. Looking at their phones.
2. Even though most of us have flashing lights now, drivers are only mentally looking for other cars. We are still invisible to them.
3. “Entitled" drivers in big SUVs and even bigger pickup trucks still intentionally buzz us and/or take the time to roll down the window and yell at us. This happens all the time. Whether in town or way out on the country roads.
I am more defensive than ever. If there is a path, I take it rather than stay on the road. I'm afraid we can't win this battle.
@2:00…I wish more motorists realized that they’re driving a murder weapon. What would a reasonable think if I was holding a loaded gun in one hand a scrolling Instagram with the other?
I know how bad it is to be a cyclist in LA! Be safe out there! It’s 1000x worse in Thailand where I currently live, no rules, no laws, no respect for cyclists or even pedestrians.
For what it's worth, I've had only a few car/bike/road-rage incidents in all the years I cycled. But, lately, after a very long time of no car/bike incidents, I had one just before Christmas ('21). It involved an older couple in a nice looking SUV, and as I had the light to cross and was beginning to, the driver (the male) pulled out in front of me (he still had the red light). I had to swerve out in front of him, and into the on-coming intersecting lane (no cars fortunately). It bothered me, and I glanced back after I was passed him and shook my head slightly (and thought to myself "idiot"). That was that, or so I thought. But he somehow found me (I'd taken a different way home, a side street hard to locate from the lane he'd been in, but he was apparently motivated). He slowed. I watched the passengers side coming down. The woman with him was yelling at him, and he at her; and then I saw it: A large styro-foam Quick Trip-like cup. I knew what was about to happen, but, it didn't work out like that, because instead of dousing me with whatever was in the cup, he miscalculated his trajectory and spilled the lions share of it on the woman passenger---who immediately began screaming at him once again. I, in the meantime, just kept on riding. (I did give him a big overhead wave, which got an angry, prolonged honk). A perfect example of 'instant karma' for the driver, but I'm sad the event ever occurred. I don't think I was in the wrong in reacting as I did. Though I suppose I could have ignored the original incident. But I was really unhappy with the guys total lack of concern for both blocking what is a pedestrian-bike crossing, as well as his unconcern for my safety at that moment. Like the video here says---road rage really has increased a lot lately. This was a city ride. I much prefer gravel excursions because of what happened to me last Christmas. I will load up my bike and go outside of the city if I want a good, enjoyable, and safer ride.
First thing out of their mouth, "I didn't see you". Me, touring bike, fenders, panniers, two daylight visible rear blinkers, yellow road safety vest, yellow helmet. Me, "ummm... you were next to me at that red light 50 feet back". Driver sets phone down on console. Me, "I know a cyclist that got killed last year by a driver, and that driver was YOU!". Then I pedaled away. She drove off in her blue Nissan Leaf, environmentally aware, save the earth, phone back to her face.
There are bad drivers and equally there are bad cyclists... As a member of both of these groups I head out riding n drivin with the same positive mental attitude and prefer to be passive rather than aggressive. Far too many people head out on to the roads with or wound up like a corkscrew it's never good to head in with that mind set as inevitably ****t will find you, head out and just enjoy cycling and if you do come across anyone the 1st thing said here rings true… ask yourself “is this worth it…! Stay safe yee all!
I had a super close call one time. I was riding down a hill past a shopping center and this guy in a SUV turned from the opposite direction into the shopping center. I could see him starting to turn so I started to yell at him, all while I was starting to hit my brakes. As he started to turn my wheels literally locked up and I was sliding down the hill. Thankfully I missed him by a few meters. I was so pissed off that I turned into the shopping center to curse him out. After a few minutes I could not find his car and was standing in the parking lot trying to cool down, when the guy drives up to me, rolls down his window and was like "dude I am so sorry, I did not see you". He was visibly upset knowing he almost really hurt me. Seeing he felt bad and the fact he found me in the parking lot, I told him I really couldn't be mad because he apologized and was sorry. The guy must have been in his mid-20s also.
Now I live in a more rural area (still lots of people) and when riding on back roads there are plenty of places where it is hard to pass me. I make a habit of either pulling off in a side road so they can pass or if I see it is safe ahead, I will wave them on. I get a lot of friendly "thanks" beeps when people pass me. Haven't had too many jerks, but I did have someone blow coal on me on a military base. At least he was way up ahead, but still.
Remove their mirror with a heavy U lock and then ride the other direction.
As a person of color, I don't think that approaching a driver would be received in the manner as Phil approaching a driver. As a result, I don't think it's worth it for me. However, I do ride with a helmet camera, just in case something happens and I need an objective document of events.
Very cool video Phil something that needs to be done by hundreds of us so that it actually gets out there I was hit and run in October 2017 on a road that has maybe 15 cars in a 3 mi stretch during this time of day and it's a hundred yards wide and there wasn't anyone around person came up I'm doing 18 or 19 it's a little uphill and I've got a hunk behind me well I just waved him around but we had a it's not a bike lane it's dirty as hell this is Utah very gravelly and small town they came up and honked at me I just waved him around it's a 14 ft Lane it's a 14 ft center lane it's a 14 ft other side and then a 6-ft parking Lane and I hear the throttle open up and then I woke up in a ditch later on on my felt F1 that was actually Martin mascants your teammate in 2008 his Perry will be a bike.
I was left in a ditch with seven active fractures in my spine and no witnesses it took me two and a half years to get the back sorted out it now has I'm fused from l1 through l5 but I have like world class doctor and I'm able to do 90% of everything but now I'm not a big gun fan I was married to a Brit for 20 years I picked up a small sidearm and I carry it with a quick draw holster because I do a lot of gravel riding out here there's bike pirates everywhere now and if you're rolling around on a $12,000 bike you're a Target and I'm out in Poe dunk on gaswell roads I've had two encounters where I actually had people come up and try on a cost me until they saw that I was armed I didn't do anything but then they go oh hey man sorry I thought you were somebody else so I don't advise having to carry a gun not my choice by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also looking to come home at the end of the day like you are. Sorry I was I saw your video and then I'm driving so this is a ramble on talk to the phone thanks man love the videos keep up the good work.
@@copperheadmtrsprtspark7738 I was talking to text. Mah bad. Sorry Phil, I know you have a degree in writing. 🤷♂️
Great video, Phil. Well structured and easy to follow. Well done. Thanks
Chucking a D-cell battery through the back windshield will add some pizzazz to the situation as well, but probably not the best route to choose
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The very first advice is the very best. The rest don't even want to try to interact with stupid humans. It's not worth of it. You'll loose time and hear bunch of shit...
I practice utter disengagement while also completely breaking almost all traffic rules. I don't have any of the rights of motorized road users so I figure I also don't have any of the responsibilities. I refuse to talk or engage in any way with any motorist, and will often make a sudden turn onto a sidewalk or sidestreet if a driver tries to talk or honks at me. No good can come out of trying to talk to a driver for the simple reason that drivers believe roads belong only to drivers. I'll usually wear visible headphones as for both sound protection and as a declaration that I'm not going to listen to whatever a driver is trying to say to me.
I did recently read that the average cost of a used car is now $37,000 and a new one is $48,000. More than half of US citizens cannot afford the monthly payments of a 72 month loan on said cars, and that a used 150,000 mile pickup is now above $7,000. As cars have now become an unaffordable necessity for the majority of citizens, it follows the widespread adoption of bicycles and eBikes must soon occur. You cannot be a driver when you cannot afford to drive.
unfortunately Phil. it has gotten way out of control, hence why you are seeing grave and MTB pick up. I have been hit twice and cars don't give a shit about us. The forbidden fruit is the culprit, in addition to the hardened hearted assholes that have no shame hitting us and getting away with it. NO more road for me. it is tooo unsafe
One thing I do is look at the driver in the face. Either give them a thunbs trying to show them "hey, I am here", or give a body gesture "come on!". I don´t usually talk cause I find it not safe and unproductive.
As long as they don't hit you, just smile and wave. I know it's not equitable, but you win the moral stakes and you might even de-escalate. In general, I try to "help" nervous drivers get around me; if they're stuck behind, I try to indicate I know they are there, waiting and then wave 'em past as soon as it's safe. Then again, Im riding in northern NJ, you're in California. If someone almost swipes me, I might report it, along with the video footage (record difficult ride segments of nothing else).
Good advice. After riding/racing for over forty years, I do about the same thing.
On Maui I ended up having to purchased a Life Insurance policy if I want to keep riding my road bike. The amount of text and driving, DUI and heaters it’s too much!
And I’m taking Sundays at 7:00 am!
Great post, there is one point which you might want to change though. >don't knock on the window< Just ride up and say excuse me... through the closed window, say your piece politely and ride away . One time where I did knock on a guy's window... really enraged him further.
I'm doing delivery and a guy is in his car stopped in a truck only loading zone. I pulled up and beeped the horn. The guy didn't move. The back of the truck is still sticking out into the street. I walked up, knocked on the window and said to the guy "your car isn't supposed to be here" I then walked back to the truck. He came running out of the car screaming "Moth* F*cker you touched my car" He was yelling so much, other people from the sidewalk walked up to us concerned that something bad might happen.
Thank you Phil. Very good advice!
I do the 1st like Phil said, I recall one time I thought I was gonna die, it's hard to except those kind of drivers, gets me a bit when I think of that so I don't, it's hard out there. I find it incredible that I can cycle and have close calls (in the day) yet I put a flashing light on and they lessen.. yet it never was like that, maybe life's got more stressful the further we go on in the age of humanity, be safe out there people 🙏
I have helped to marshall/cork intersections on large group rides to help keep everyone safe. It is amazing how receptive drivers can be when you speak with them (not at them) in a calm, rational, voice. Every now and then, you'll get some asshat that wants to hurt people with their car, but they are few and far between. However, when I'm out by myself, my response is a genuine yell of "sorry, i was being an asshole." works like a charm; sometimes the driver who was being reckless in the first place will even apologise.
safe riding all.
Unfortunately it seems to be a worldwide issue, things have gotten visibly worse here in France since the pandemic. I prefer thinking that people just don't realise how dangerous their actions are. I've started spending more time on my mtb than on the road, I love riding but the idea of knowing I'll have a few close calls on every road ride is daunting.
I'd suggest riding with front and rear cameras then report the vehicle to the authorities. There's too many crazy people with guns in the states and too many dangerous/ violent lunatics in the UK.
Number one is the only lesson required 👍🏻
My advice is to follow them home and shit through their letterbox. Your advice is solid too
Not sure if lecturing people or treating them like schoolchildren when they’re in traffic or have somewhere to go is a good idea. Would you be receptive to someone you just had a confrontation with just started lecturing you? Or would you hold a grudge against them? Maybe they had a bad day and the next day or later that week they cool off and realize they were in the wrong. This method of lecturing is basically asking them to repent on your schedule, at the next traffic light.
All solid advice, we all have our own approach., After 40 years of racing and riding I unfortunately feel drivers just don't care. I just try to be safe and survive.
How many have heard of rolling smoke?? I have someone in a diesel pick-up who thinks it's fun to turn on the black smoke when he passes a cyclist. He apparently doesn't like sharing the road with bicycles and this is his way of showing his anger. I am just glad he doesn't run over me.
‘Hey, I’ve got cookies at home’ may also work Phil? Sound tips. ‘Is it worth it?’ being an excellent question to ask oneself.
Had a beer bottle thrown at me while cycling, caught it and threw it back hitting the thrower in the face. Woo hoo! No injuries except to his pride.
My New Years resolution is to turn the other cheek with motorists. I live in an area that somehow sees both insane levels of tolerance and patience and ghastly levels of anger. It’ll be a challenge. But I’ll be damned if I’ll ever let the bad ones tarnish my ride.
Great tips for us non-Americans when visiting the lawless country
Trying training mix martial arts. Get your bench press up to about 350 lb, your squat up to at least 480lb, and the deadlift up to 550lb. Kindly finger gesture the motorist to have a nice chat at the side of the road. Tell the motorist you would like to have a wonderful conversation with them.
I found today I had a close pass so I did the whole "what gives?" universal code, the next 2 cars behind give me the most room in the world and get a solid appreciation from me.
On the other hand, a driver in his 60s let's say nearly kills me last year I'm on a very short section of 2 lane road looking to turn right (uk) so I take that lane, he tries to overtake me on the inside and then just pushes me to the right to the point of nearly slamming me against a wall. I catch up and I'm very mad but I'm gesturing "what was that?" NOTHING not even a sorry. I catch up at the next lights and park my bike on the floor in front of him and just vent, I use so many swear words the people around me have stopped to look. I ended with YOU COULD HAVE F***ING KILLED ME.
Rare that it gets that bad and you just hope despite outward presentation they think "best not do that again"
(unless nearly killed) I'm always pleasant on the road, obey every road rule going, if I'm aware there are a number of cars wanting to pass I'll look to pull over, at the end of the day we are all trying to get somewhere and most drivers will be able to tell I'm trying to let them past.
I am going to confess to being that auto driver who looked right thru a cyclist coming down a lane and turned in front. (10 years ago). And the cyclist followed your script. I was horrified by what I had done and the think about every day. The conversations can work when done well.
Thank you Rob
I was hit by a car at the end of January this year, thankfully it was the best possible scenario at the end of the day. Stay safe everyone!
I’ve got a mate was abused at lights in Oz. He just pulled up next to him at the next red and threw the guys keys on a shop roof and went home. I won’t name him, he’s not unknown in the cycling scene ha ha
Well, good advice on the whole. With that said, unless law enforcement and people are held accountable and given serious penalties for accidents with cyclist/pedestrians...it is just a game of luck and survival. When people are sitting in prison for 20yrs minimum for killing someone on a bike or pedestrian and the media gets that out there...maybe people will begin to think twice. But it still doesn't stop drunk drivers and idiots, nothing will. Good luck to everyone, nearly got swipped and hit within 1ft the other day...no chance to catch the person...FL is insane and the worst in the Country.
It really ruins your day/ride , getting bullied by someone with a 2000 pound weapon. It is amazing how just one considerate driver brightens your day.
I've experienced asshole driver's only a couple of times. I have no idea why they think they think they own the road and want cyclists to go away. I've experienced "nice" drivers three or four times. Most recently I almost got run over crossing a street and the driver asked me if I was ok even though it was my fault the situation occurred.
If someone does something risky or aggressive to get past me we'll usually end up crossing paths again when they get stuck at the lights or in traffic. Always fun to get back in front of them and make them have a good think about what they really achieved.
De escalate? Some f..r who should end up in jail with a charge of murder attempt? Brave you, Sir...
That was really good! But I think the best tip is not to confront. The best war is the one not fought. "He was riding the bike and got hit... by a bullet in the face." Yeah no thanks!
Awesome info and very smart too!
I ask them how much liability insurance they have and then remind them that a lot of doctors and specialists ride bikes around where I live and if they injure or kill one, their liability insurance won't be enough and they will lose everything they own. Assume you can't afford to injure or kill a cyclist ever. It's more expensive than you can imagine.
On a country road, a Prius snuck up behind me and the driver laid on the horn before passing. There is no catching up with someone like that riding the hills of VA.
"It doesn't matter how well you ride. It's how badly they drive.
After 35 years of riding i've adopted a similar approach. You're never gonna win against a car. Often on group rides, i see guys start flipping drivers off, cursing, and escalating the situation. It never helps. Looking at these guys from a 3rd person perspective, i understand why. These drivers are already aggitated for whatever reason, so you can't throw fuel onto the fire. Either let it go, or approach it calmly, like you described.
Same, I feel less safe when riding in a group, many of them cut in front of cars and expect mororists to treat them as royalty.
If there is an escape route that the motorists can't fit their car on I will insult the crap out of the dangerous driver ,finger and all, because I know I am not in danger. If motorist cuts me off or tries to run me off road and there isn't any place to evade them I will just get out of the way and won't say anything at all .