Time Team S13-E09 Sussex Ups and Downs, Blackpatch, Sussex
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- Опубликовано: 28 мар 2013
- One hot day in 1922, a young man called John Pull strolled across the Sussex downland at Blackpatch, just outside Worthing. He was the victim of a First World War gas attack and he had come there looking for fresh air and peace. What he discovered was one of the very few Stone Age settlements in England.
John Pull wasn't an archaeologist or antiquarian but a 23-year-old gramophone salesman - which made him highly unpopular with the archaeological elite. His work was sneered at, his finds were lost, the site was bulldozed - and, in a tragic twist of fate, he was murdered in a bank robbery.
Eighty years after Pull first set foot on this hill, Time Team came to reassess his work. Was this really the site of a prehistoric village? And what about a mysterious second site, which Pull recorded but had since been lost?
Stewart’s reverence for John Pull’s writing and understanding of the landscape after the mudslinging he went through in the 30s was really nice to see. As I roll through Time Team seasons he is becoming my favorite on the show (besides Phil obviously, stone the crows)
Raksha & Matt are unsung heroes of Time Team. They're both so smart. You know you're going to get great info from them.
Yeah, they do great parroting what they’re to,d to say. Moron.
I'm certain their children would agree 💯👍
They are not married.@@InquisitorMatthewAshcraft
I would also like to recognize John, Bridget, Carenza and so many others! That combination was unique and is what makes this a good show.
Matt could be my son’s twin. It’s uncanny ❤
It's good to see his Daughter was able to see her Father's work justified after all the mud slinging he endured.
In the past couple of years, I've so much enjoyed Time Team and the different people that make the team. Tony's questioning things so he can ask the questions we may also be thinking, Phil's excitement at just being able to dig, Stewart's amazing ability to see what things used to look like, Mick's patience and wealth of knowledge, John's efforts turning up 'gold' or being the butt of jokes, the wonderful camaraderie between everyone (especially Tony, Phil and Mick), but the one who always makes me crazy is Francis. I bow to his knowledge and experience, but I wish we could get through an episode without hearing the word "ritual". Sure, ancient peoples had their rites and ceremonies, but one would think that's all they did, according to Francis. This was yet another highly enjoyable episode and we almost made it to the finish ... until Francis snuck in the R word near the end. And there it was. And my eyes rolled.
From now on when I re-watch these Episodes, when I see Stewart tramping about the landscape, I'll imagine John Pull walking beside him. RIP, and job well done, sir.
Yes, this episode is a fantastic vindication of John Pull's work. He was working class and didn't have a degree but was a great archaeologist who saw what those two doctors weren't able to understand. Bigotry doesn't make good scientists.
I really appreciate the respect and kindness the crew showed to John Pull and his family. A Time Team gem.
I had my own share of snobbery in my time. Therefore my heart went out for John Pull. I sincerely hope that he sits up there on a cloud watching the digging being done to continue and fulfill his work. This is what I love about Time Team: when archaeology is completed which could not be completed for whatever the reason.
You make zero sense. Stop commenting in public.
This episode is one of the reasons why I love Time Team so much. Hats off to you, guys (not only Phil's ^^ ).
Ian's a badass for uncovering those glass bottles intact
The unsung hero of Time Team.
@@basstrammel1322
Just one of 'em - think about *Ian,* the JCB driver.
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 stop with the JCB driver bullshit. There were very few episodes where they used a JCB, the majority were featuring Case.
Ian Barclay (the elder JCN operator) I see as Yoda and Ian ( the younger operator) as Luke. Ian Barclay is laid back and can skin an inch off a trench from full bòom extension to maximum contraction just by feel. Both are extremely brilliant operators.
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I love a good bit of flint. I always get the feeling that most people don't understand, but I bet Phil does.
Within 7 miles (11 km) of Worthing's town centre lie four of Britain's 14 confirmed Neolithic flint mines.[1] The oldest of these mines, at Church Hill in Findon, may be one of the earliest known mines in Britain.[2] Thought to date from the 5th millennium BC and 4th millennium BC, these mines represent some of the oldest mines in Europe, if not the world and predate the great neolithic sites of Stonehenge and Avebury. In the Neolithic period, the South Downs above Worthing was one of Britain's largest and most important flint-mining centres.[3] These extensive flint mines which include the considerable mines at Cissbury are in many ways comparable to the vast flint mines of Spiennes in Belgium which have been given World Heritage Site status.
Self educated archeologists have a bulk of knowledge because of their love for the field.
They are not earning titles, awards, or medals but have an innate desire to learn and have made some of the most astounding discoveries.
The same thing with many self educated specialists. They work twice as hard to prove themselves, but studied upper-class snobs won't let them get a foot in the door.
CologneCarter Yeah, but the opposite is sometimes true too. Self educated specialists destroying sites and selling off their finds and upper class snobs doing proper archeology (think of Egypt where both styles happened)
I am a fan of Phil and Steward, all passion and ability.
As an archaeologist, I would say that John Pull was more of an archaeologist than those criticising him because he wrote things down, drew sketches and recorded what he was doing and so on to the best of his ability. Some of those critising him were 'antiquarians' (not archaeologists) whose only interest was in artefacts of value; whether or not for their own interests. Everything else was thrown back in the ditch and nothing was recorded. The World's most celebrated discovery was made by an amateur, Howard Carter who discovered the tomb of Tutankhamen! It seems to me that the only distinction between the professional and the amateur in achaeology, is that the pro has spent four or five years reading a lot of books but that the amateur has spent their whole time on their hands and knees in the dirt, which is ultimately what it's all about!
Obviously the ideal is both, but those contemporaries who criticized Pull had their own agenda and sense of entitlement. A professional (or amateur interested in doing good work) would have done everything possible to be about the finds. Someone passionate like Phil Harding would have wanted to see Pull's methods and collaborate to extract the most information or recover it. I agree with you about Pull but that also means I don't consider his contemporaries as true academics or professionals.
Side note: at the time "professional" was practically a dirty word since it meant someone who had to earn money. The enthusiast would have been celebrated -- but only if the "right" sort of person (class). Think about why amateurism was so prized for the Olympics for so long. It's a class thing.
@Ross Meldrum Those ones, yes. All, no. Watch the *Castor* dig.
*BoSSa mOOd*
Actually *Carter* wasn't an amateur - otherwise no argument.
Great episode. I started watching Time Team through my love of Roma and now my favorite episodes are where they are digging much earlier finds.
Snobbery is so stupid and hurtful. RIP, John Pull.
Fizza O
Just as the climate professors
I have a hard time working up much hate for a gramophone salesman.
*Fizza O*
History has proven him right now. That makes up for a lot.
Yes ,he was good enough to fight and get gassed, while they were probably on some cushy number well away from enemy lines ,but not good enough to pursue what was just a hobby for them. Elitism and no doubt a fair amount of envy because he was doing way better than them. They haven't changed a bit have they?
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 Amen.
When I first saw this episode I was surprised at the result of the axe testing, but then I realized that the last stage I took when sharpening chisels was to strop the chisel to a mirror polish. A quick check the next time I had to sharpen a chisel I tried it without stropping and didn't get nearly as good cuts.
Maybe they were burying the flint to give it back to the sacred space they were taking it from. Since flint was such an essential part of their everyday life it stands to reason that a flint mine would be sacred.
And if you take so much without giving anything back you'll upset your deities, spirits, etc
Boys and their toys. But it's fun to watch these two weathered archeologists having a laugh.
Love Phil he’s perfect
Proof that whatever time period you're in, there will always be haters
The murder of a veteran was a crime and should have been dealt with then.
@@bobbyhood101 Yes, in *Britain* _murder_ is a crime and has been for centuries. Why do you think *John Pull's* murder wasn't _dealt with?_
@@philaypeephilippotter6532
Doesn't take a genius to work that out, which is why I think I know.
@@eboracum2012
The murderer of *John Pull* was caught and executed. His three accomplices, who were unarmed in the robbery, were imprisoned.
@@philaypeephilippotter6532
I thought it was due to the so-called upper-class who'd looked down theirvhd4s JJ's
The ring is here:
50°52'29.9"N 0°26'36.0"W
and the mine pits are about 100m to the SE
Ah, thank you. I never thought of looking on Google Earth!
@@celticspirit5166 Ol' Stan has methodically spotted every Time Team site. He's the kind of guy who knows how to make OCD work for him.
... Phils' hat and general appearance have been the butt of jokes for the entire series. He certainly earned his keep over 20 years.
I initially read that as "Phil's butt and hat..." works for me!
@@tripleransom4349Don't forget the legs.
It's clear as day to me. They took flint from the ground, and for each shaft they dug, they made a deposit to appease the Earth itself because her riches were being plundered. It's the same thought process that is behind sacrificing the first catch of the fishing season to the gods etc.
I very much enjoy this episode much
Gotta love Phil..he does bust out a wicked witch laugh from time to time. I picture him calling out the flying monkeys lol
John Pulls critics are now silenced, wether it be through death or if some were alive at the time of this filming, through this episode of time team which vindicated john Pulls methods and ideals and proved what John so lovingly put his heart soul and mind into. John put his everything into it asking for nothing back, not like the snob nosed so called archaeologist of his day that were after the glory and money and which made him into a villian for the way he did things. The antiquarians of his time tried so hard to cover up , hide, get rid , anything they could do to get rid of anything John ever discovered or found, even going to the point of bull dozing Johns dig sites. The antiquarians must have been so jealous of jonh and the proper attention he was getting.
John should become a pilot and buy a crop duster and load on some geophys equipment. Fields could be done in a few minutes.Maybe get Mick to fly it he was licensed.... (I know RIP Mickster)
One guy the Surveyor got it right, they mined the flint to trade and the pile of flint was in the ‘store’.
The tree was a center post for the store.
+Saint Boudreau right-o.
Francis is one annoying twat reducing everything to ritual, death and offering. e's not practical enough to realise that the majority of what ancient people did was for survival, therefore was for practical reasons rather than ritual.
agree they had customs just as we bury our dead, we know now all that big stone and circles were sun season alignments plant crops ppl coming to trade frm north / south enclosures store fronts ''right this way'' francis very annoying I pity his students listening to his crap.
I concur...
@Saint Boudreau
Sounds good to me! It makes logical sense that they would have to store the flint somewhere. Also, the tree makes a very convenient marker!
Great story…and phil looks great in thegrass hat
Was hoping to find an episode where they dig near where I walk my dog every week (Whiteways Café, Arundel, Sussex) because it has a roman road, Roman Villa and loads of other stuff about. And what happens? Here it is!!
Lucky! Did you happen to go along while it was under way?
Tony, the advocatus diaboli (Latin for Devil's advocate) the person that always ask the unpleasant questions. 😂
*Tony's* function was just that. He represented the audience and got the archæologists to explain for _me_ what was going on. If you watch him you'll notice that time and time again he gets them to explain things that have been explained in earlier programmes - and, as a respected amateur archæologist, he often knew the answer already.
In the late 60's I took a tour of Malta and as we travelled the roads, the landscape looked like the German Air Force tried to sink the island.
Miss this programme
I've said this before about another episode. Stone age people don't seem to have lived too near to mines much like people don't like living near them today. I live on land that was mined for quartz for tools by native Americans but they didn't live here, they would travel for perhaps hundreds of miles to the site make tools and arrowheads and leave for home. I'd love some help excavating a find here too, a trophy jacket decorated with carved bones.
I looove the Neo. stuff 😍 Such an interesting episode!!
Can't stand pedants. The lay person often has a lot to offer: I often think any "expert" endeavour should bring along someone with an interest, but no formal training because they can spot things as the "regular joe" without the training getting in the way.
One of the best things one of my high school history teachers said was, "if you want good information, don't ask an expert."
Definition of an Expert = One who knows everything about something, and sod all about anything!
Expert: (ex-spurt) a “has-been” drip-under-pressure
I like that he was a working class archeologist who didn’t give up due to snobs. We have snobs in the USA. If it doesn’t fit with their narrative they throw it out. Meanwhile there are thousands of years of oral history here before Columbus. Only now in 2021 are they FINALLY listening to the native Americans histories. After they of course almost annihilated their culture. Smh
... good ole Victor! the fifth "Beatle"
When they say _blood, sweat, and tears,_ for Phil that means his hat.
It seems to me the “barrow” is a storage shed for precious flint, so nobody would steal it.
That occurred to me too. Maybe they were trading with people who did nothave access to flint? Perhaps it was a Neolithic warehouse!
Imagine in 6,000 years from now someone could be digging up that empty trench trying to figure out what it is.
I think they'll be wondering what I do, "Why is everyone digging all these dang ditches everywhere!!?!!"😊
Great episode, and Brig to boot. :)
My thought is that some barrows are places to bury things you plan to come back to later, to make them easier to find.
I think it may have been a bank of sorts. Maybe the community doing a large mine dig got more than they needed and stored it. Perhaps the ditch was an identifier so others walking through the area could salvage the flint the maybe needed for their particular site. Maybe
No.
Oh, okay then.
Was here Dec 2019
I wonder if they found a patch that looked promising as a flint mine, but once they dug down a bit found out it wasn't so good, so they back filled it. And maybe left some offerings for better luck at the next one. I think all anyone could do is guess. Interesting how far back our history goes.
No. And it’s not guesswork, it’s knowledge based on experience.
Maybe they were hiding their flint like Saxons hid gold,etc.
Will Phil's hat end up in a museum?
Greg B Phil's hat should be a "registered site" with English Heritage HAHA. The entire Time Team crew had a great chemistry and made a subject that for some would have been boring, into a very engaging television program. After all when you strip the show to it's basics, it's only a group of people digging a ditch...
+CompetitiveAudio There is actually a Twitter account dedicated to Phil's hat, complete with "talk loik a poiret" verbiage.
+Greg B Phil gets a new hat for himself in a later episode.
+Andrew Gruffudd @TheHardingHat
(which has Twitter links for Francis Pryor @PryorFrancis, Raksha Dave @Raksha_Digs, and Time Team Fans @TimeTeamFans)
all of them, if he allows it. they could also be sold at auction for very high prices. he has fans all over the world.
>Francis in an episode
>LAND OF THE DEAD LAND OF THE LIVING
Was that cache of flint toward the end of the program intended to be trade goods? Perhaps one group did the mining and other people from flint-poor areas came to barter for material, in an early example of commerce.
John Pull finally vindicated....
The ax experiment supports my own thinking , the "improved" mezolithic tool was probably used to bop people not trees .
Gotta have a dual purpose too😊
i don't know if i would call murder a twist of fate but okay
+Jill Fernanadez His neck was twisted, so...
In the context it was - otherwise I agree.
And I thought I had seen them all.
Twice now I've seen posts that say flint goes bad when exposed to oxygen. I googled and can't find anything on flint oxidation. Frankly it sounds farfetched to me that stone oxidizes, but I'm open to being wrong. Anyone have a link?
*Karmic Popcorn*
Whilst some stones do rot, limestone being a prime example, I can't think of any reason for flint to rot and paleolithic flints in good condition have been found. _Ergo,_ you are right! 👍
I'm a suspicious person. I wonder if the bank robber was a setup to eliminate him
*Mike Wazowski*
I doubt it. The bank robbers were just petty hoodlums.
Nice to know she thinks flint miners would have had sea bass to go with herbs and butter.
😂😂😂
RIP, John Pull.
it makes sense, if people were mining flint, it would be a long process, so, they would have to live somewhere, near the flint quarries, and we know that it wasnt recent flint mining, its also true that these academic types dont like to share, even with each other, its like miners going on strike, they hate scabs, ie dont try to nick my job
Those who know flint working will tell you that flint fresh from the earth is easy to work, but after exposure to oxygen it changes and becomes useless. Perhaps burying mined flint would keep it workable for longer ? It would make sense. You could bring up a good load, bury it, and take from the pit as you finished each new tool.
I can't find anything on the internet about flint oxidizing. Can you put a link to something explaining this? Google is clueless.
Fair Brigid....make me immortal with a kiss.
It's a flint bank.
Rock solid savings at cutting edge prices 😊
Henry. 👍
Why can't the flints in the ring ditch just be an already mined cache of flints that 2 or 3 people came back for when the ones they were using got too small for whatever purpose they were knapped? You know, "Oops my knife or scraper broke and we don't have a suitable size piece of flint to make another one. Next time you go hunting, why don't you stop by the cache and bring back a couple of larger pieces of flint? We can then make a new knife or scraper without having to spend the time to mine them." Or, "We have 3 children in our group that are getting big enough to have their own knives, but we really don't have the time to go mine them. Besides, it's the wrong time of year to find provisions at the mine site. Take 2 or 3 of the young adults so they can have some experience in foraging or hunting, and pick up some flint while you're out." Using Occam's razor, that's what makes sense to me. Not everything is Ritual, or Honoring the Ancestors. Some things are just practical. Francis is entirely too caught up in believing that EVERYTHING has to be ritual. The ring ditch could just be a convenient marker to find the cache.
SNOBS ARE SAME WORLD WIDE.GOT TIME FOR THEM.
Got time or haven't got time?
Tony Robinson is an owl
What about John Pull's forgotten partner?
+cjpenning You mean John Pull the Second? (Couldn't resist.)
+christosvoskresye I had a punny answer, but I can't remember what it was!
+cjpenning Oh yes. George N. Ringo.
cjpenning There is a NASCAR racecar driver (now retired) named John Paul, Jr. -- or, quite literally, John Paul II. Years a go, before I became Catholic myself, I remember joking with a Catholic friend about "John Paul II" losing a race, saying that he deserved to lose -- a Pope shouldn't be racing a car on a Sunday.
he should 'pimp his ride' and enter the Pope Mobile in some open class.
druidic shrine? definitely made less of this one than one would think
*Nick G*
Why would anyone think about a druid shrine on a neolithic site?
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 druids were practicing since pre bronze age
@@nickg8424
Actually the consensus seems to be that _druids_ didn't exist until the early iron age in *Britain* and probably elsewhere too.
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 what consensus?
@@nickg8424
Archæological consensus.
Where is corenza😍😍
Why only three days?
Very watered down version of the story - While working on another project Mick Aston said, to Tim Taylor, that you could get a good evaluation of a site in 3 days. Tim Taylor came back to him later and asked if that were true; and if he (Tim T) gave Mick all the personnel, experts and technology available would he (Mick A) do it for television. Time Team was born in order to quickly assess a site and give a basic and general understanding of any given spot. But Mick made sure that the data was good and the findings and locations were accurately recorded so others could do more extensive work if resources and interests became available.
Kathleen Heath Indeed, and three days generally are enough, but sometimes the lack of time is disturbing, even if the goal is only to do a good evaluation. So on average three days may be enough, but Mick should have realised that being so strict on the three day limit is unwise at some sites. I know it is a question of money, but a bit more flexibility towards one day or five days would have been desirable.
They all have real jobs so ...say fri sat and sun is when they dig/shoot I believe..once a month they do(did) a show.
These digs are done over the weekend the people work a regular job and have lives in their fields outside of the tv show.
I can't get excited by Neolithic digs....they find so little....dark stains and flint are less than stimulating....for me at least.
Nowadays, with environmental archaeology, isotope analysis, and microscopic analyses, they're able to put together a pretty vivid picture of what people were getting up to in the Neolithic. Some of what they've learned is quite amazing. For instance, there was a blowout feast in the Neolithic period down near Stonehenge, and the cattle were brought all the way from Orkney for the occasion. I grant you the stains, flints and bits of bone aren't that photogenic, but they are incredibly valuable as sources of information.
how about this ditch was being dug with the flints. partly? or it was a place to hide the flints from sneaky neighbors. they seemed content that evidence of living spaces were in the field nearby, but they carried on where they were. I disagree the finds in the low spot were "out of context." they don't know that until they dig there. seems to me a bunch of this was a team trying to use no-scale maps to find features that had already been disturbed anyway... Pull's enemies bulldozed the site to hide the features, so for me it is more fun to guess why they were so ferocious about it. Was there evidence of neaderthal ancestry which would have messed up time lines and British sense of superiority? did the finds contradict what the other archaeologists had already published something about? people get mad when upstaged. But I just don;t think it could have been as simple as this amateur is doing better than we are... Seems like they wanted to keep anyone from finding what they could have here. maybe there was evidence of settlement dating back to Doggerland, or (the horrors) northern Africa? or to middle east cultures? something they did not want anyone to know, apparently. All the more reason for serious archaeologists to go back and make a prolonged dig of it to find all they can. Just saying, I like Phil's old hat much better.
Ok looking at the lengths they went to get the flint shows you how important it was to them and the fact that they used large nodules as the markers shows that. The flint seemed to be buried in a circle around the tree pit and then you had a larger circle around that so maybe it was an offering. You do realise Darwins works had been around for almost half a century before Pulls dig and Neanderthals had died around 20.000 years before the Mesolithic period.
Fox1nDen I have as a lay person done a lot of historical research into various enigmatic events. When I did research into the flood of Noah (peace be upon him) I had to study many sciences to come to a conclusion which I felt comfortable with; these included Archaeology, Climatology, Gravity, Epic Graphical, Geology, Physiology, Astronomy, Legends etc. This involved numerous documented high brow studies into the various subject disciplines. When trying to make sense of these sources to come to an satisfactory conclusion; I had to deal with the constant sniping of one scientist over another. They argued at an atomic level and ripped and clawed each other like wild cats. Yet, when I evaluated their individual findings, I found that they actually complimented each other and the resultant answer was clear.
There seems to be an unexplainable antagonism and extreme competitiveness which fires these professionals. In their day great people such as Isaac Newton and Galileo Galilei faced the same ferocious criticism and rejection of their theories. It seems nothing has changed.
In the same context; you can imagine the high brow intellectuals who considered themselves far superior to Mr John Pull insulting his finds and criticizing any conclusions he came to. It could be that the evidence he produced sounded too much like the truth and they felt undone. In the face of his success, their jealous rage when they bulldozed his digs was probably an attempt to cover their embarrassment and make sure that no one could prove then and in the future what they themselves knew. They could not handle the idea was he was probably right.
Often on the Time Team you can see the different archaeologists arguing; and yet they eventually either reach an agreement or find results to prove their point. As one can see, occasionally they have to eat "Humble Pie".
A teacher once told me that when teaching the teacher constantly learns things that they themselves did not know. So constructive criticism and reflection is a good growth point for both the teacher and the pupil.
Mr John Pull may not have been able to understand the whole picture; but he did get some things right and under the guidance of the Time Team he would have been sure to have gained a lot of knowledge. Of course what archaeologists knew in his time was not nearly as comprehensive as today's scholars.
His end is really sad and I hope his daughter can feel satisfied that not only locally but internationally his dignity has been restored. Best wishes.
Let's try and stay logical, shall we?
Celtic Spirit, In a perfect world where logical reasoning reigns supreme we would not have had the events which I have described taking place.
The only place that I know of in history where every Scientist, Philosopher, Engineer or Theologian (male or female) and their students were shown great respect and where knowledge moved forward at a dizzying rate was at Alexandria in Egypt. The destruction of the library and the lecture rooms at Alexandria destroyed countless documents which would have explained many ancient scientific mysteries which people are frantically searching for today. It has taken more than two thousand years to partly catch up with their knowledge in some subjects.
Intellectual debate can be a very good and productive scale for people to reevaluate and judge their own and other peoples findings on. But wholesale denigration of either a professional or lay persons knowledge without either giving them the ability to explain their views or correcting them in a courteous manner cannot be characterized as such. Instead it is just narcissistic assassination.
When pursuing my own studies I actually remained perfectly logical. That is why in my previous comment I made the statement. "They argued at an atomic level and ripped and clawed each other like wild cats. Yet, when I evaluated their individual findings, I found that they actually complimented each other and the resultant answer was clear." The result was logical.
If the Scientists I was talking about had calmly sat together and discussed their findings they would not only have found that they agreed with each other but have been able to feed off each others knowledge and improve their own intellect exponentially. If they drew other Scientists into their circle and these brilliant people fed off each other WOW!!! They would not only be a force to be reckoned with but they possibly would have the sweetness to be willing to teach what they know and give others the opportunity to improve their chances in the intellectual field.
We all have some borders which we will not cross; but it is important to be open minded. I know a prince (not English) and I spoke to him about how he feels about people with less knowledge or status. He said to me that he judges himself and his actions constantly and if he finds a way to enable a lesser person to achieve greater wealth and status than he has himself he will really feel as if he has achieved something great. I have personally witnessed him without pulling rank subtlety steering conversation in a group of commoners which resulted in everyone contributing and feeling wonderful and enriched at the end.
A final thought to leave you with is; Mr John Pull was put through a lot of psychological abuse. Ask any Psychologist and they will tell you that psychological abuse is worse than physical abuse. If John had worked with someone like Dr Mike Aston (who was always trying to help ordinary people understand archaeology) he would probably had a full and happy life and lived to a grand old age.
Best Wishes
I got as far as Noah and I stopped reading. Please seek medical attention.
The bigotry of the University paper.......much more widespread today than in 1922.
Maisie and Francis are husband and wife. And Raysan and Bridget are a couple and have two kids together
I’ve always wondered what archeologists will think people were worshipping when they find loads of mayonnaise jars with snake heads buried in the ground south of mobile, Alabama. My brother and I would chop the heads off of cotton mouths and copper heads and stick them in jars and bury them so that they couldn’t bite dogs or kids in the hours it took for them to no longer be dangerous. Mysterious snake worshippers, we were. I can just hear Francis pontificating on our passion for snakes.
Well there are/were a lot of Pentecostal Snake 🐍 handling churches in & around the Appalachian area. So yeah you Could fit that category. There are about 125 snake handling churches in the U. S.
When it makes no sense, call it “a ritual”... that makes sense!
It just amazes me that they recognizes a "scraper" from a common stone . . .
That's because a _flint scraper_ is distinct from a common stone.
I think it is true that flints go off after being mined ? There is a working time and after that they are no good for tool making. Could that ring feature have been a store where flints were kept damp to last longer ? would have made sense . Hard work mining.
So all they have really found is a couple of 1940s bottles and some bits of rubbish. They need some detectorists to metal detect the spoil heaps and the areas where they are digging, they could be missing other things.
Had you not realised that neither flint nor any other stone register on a metal detector?
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 Indeed. Metal detectors would be useless if they did.
tfs
+Lee Readman Tough fucking shit?
+Barnaby ap Robert NO its- thanks for sharing
Where's the fun in that? :-D
Really? You were too lazy to type three words? :D
@36:00 Tony admits he has a prejudice. To say he is a snob would be more accurate. I've been re-watching these shows in order since the beginning. His big character flaw is that he tends to look down his nose at others. He is pessimistic, snotty, snooty, snoddy ect. When he worked with American and Spanish archaeologists he was real quick to badmouth them for being to slow.(as if he would know) At times he is very funny and a great part of the show. The rest you just want to slap him for being a snob.
I volunteer, but just a small slap. He's been on for many years. He's gone from long hair to almost none.
Whut? You mean the role he plays? He´s supposed to sting the pros a bit, to add drama. Not a bit of snobbery about him normally.
Tony said he was Prejudice towards the FOOD. He said "the food was Really Really Nice & he thought the food In the Stone Age would be Disgusting & what he ate here would be found in restaurants today".
As usual a hypocrite Cherry Picking what they want to instead of what's actually said.
They do all this walking doing geo-phys why don't they use an atv & cover twice as much
Doesn't work that way, lol. You gotta move at a certain pace. Each time the thing beeps is supposed to be one step.
So drive slowly? :)
Assuming that geophysicists aren't stupid, they must have thought of this themselves. My guess is that it would influence the measurements. E.g, if you are trying to find metal in the ground, you don't want a great big lump of metal near your instrument.
@@aoakzeph You can change the timing of the beeps to suit your preferred pace. Of course, quicker is generally better in terms of the amount of ground you can cover.
Oh, dear, Maizie. She lost my respect re Seahenge. I'm always disappointed when I see her on a TT. 🤷🏻♀️
Its a mystery why we dont find Neolithic remains mixed up with dinosaur bones. Perhaps antiquarian hid the truth?
*Read My Comment*
Since the new stone age (the *Neolithic* age) began about 12,000 years ago, millions of years _after_ the dinosaurs died out, they won't usually be found mixed up. The dinosaurs became extinct before the *Cenozoic* age began about 66 million years ago.
So it's no mystery.
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 you are confused, the stone age involved both the Jurassic period and neolithic meaning there was a cross over. Antiquarians in the 19th century never understood that and for years people didnt know.
@@readmycomment3157
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Age
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesolithic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous-Paleogene_boundary
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenozoic
I don't know why you you have confused these eras. The *stone* age is the period when stone tools were used and is usually divided into the _paleolithic, mesolithic_ and the _neolithic._ It started less than 4 million years ago. The *jurassic* age ended over 140 million years earlier.
@@philaypeephilippotter6532 im pretty sure the stone age saw the introduction of iron tools as furnace technology improved during this era
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The *iron* age started c. 500bc over most of the northern hemisphere. The *copper/bronze* age preceded it and was preceded in its turn by the _neolithic_ age, the _new_ *stone* age.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age
Archeology is still elitist
Academics are haters, always.
They weren't academics, they were _gentleman archæologists._ You know, fancy cars, servants, flamboyant ignorance.
Having an interest in archeology over many years I do or I used to like very much the Team Team programs but at the same time the presenter who is much a political person must where possible within his programs get in a political point or bring in people to say obvious well rehearsed comments. In my experience I never came across snobbery, everyone worked for the same goal to increase our knowledge of that period. I note that the presenter who once stated in a Time Team programme that he was a republican is now a knight.
*Peter 99*
Being awarded a knighthood for charitable work and services to the *Labour & Socialist Political Party* is not inconsistent with republican leanings. Even republics have an _honours_ system.
He was an admitted republic and socialist full stop. What he is now, who knows?
@@Peter-lm3ic who cares, he's a tv presenter
Really don't want to see Bridgets muffin top. Cover it up girl