Martial Arts Instructor Reacts: Forbidden Kingdom - Jet Li Vs Jackie Chan
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Martial Arts Instructor Reacts: Forbidden Kingdom - Jet Li Vs Jackie Chan
I Love this type of stuff guys! Not much for me to break down here as this style is out of my wheel house but that doesn't make it any less beautiful to watch!
The Forbidden Kingdom (Chinese: 功夫之王: Gong Fu Zhi Wang (Mandarin) or Gung Fu Ji Wong (Cantonese) and translated King of Kung Fu (English); Working title: The J & J Project[6]) is a 2008 wuxia film written by John Fusco, and directed by Rob Minkoff, and starring Jackie Chan and Jet Li. Loosely based on the 16th century novel Journey to the West, it is the first film to co-star Jackie Chan and Jet Li. The action sequences were choreographed by Yuen Woo-ping.
The film is distributed in the United States through Lionsgate and The Weinstein Company,[7] and through The Huayi Brothers Film & Taihe Investment Company in China. It was released on DVD and Blu-ray in the US and Hong Kong on September 9, 2008 and the United Kingdom on November 17, 2008. Rotten Tomatoes' critical consensus praises the fight scenes but says the film has too much filler. The Forbidden Kingdom grossed $128 million against a budget of $55 million. The film was a box office success.
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to this day i'm still astounded by the fact that Jackie and Jet had to do this at half speed because all the camera saw was blurred motion when they went full out.
Not the first time Jet Li was told to slow it down. Not so sure about Jackie though.
I remember when he did New Police Story he fought one of the "kids" (I can't remember the name). He was using mainly kicks and Jackie told him that he was to slow with his kicks.
And to think Bruce Lee was quicker than Jackie Chan 😂 insane
I keep hoping they release a behind-the-scenes/raw footage of when they were going all out.
I feel like seeing Jackie Chan and Jet Li go at it at full speed would be like watching something out of Dragonball Z
I would prefer seeing full speed as a blur to having them slow down.
Their forms were amazing. Especially when they went into the less known mantis and tiger styles. Jet Li's pose of the mantis was just like the warning they give (danger) before striking, and Jackie's tiger was so smooth like second nature.
Never heard tiger or mantis called "less known" before. 90% its one of those forms anytime the animal styles are used in a movie, its one of those two.
3:10 There was an interview with Jet Li where he praised Jackie because he was one of the more practiced martial artists in film, and that filming this sequence could have been much harder. The chemistry between them made it so they didn't have to do a lot of takes!
even in slo-mo i could not copy his iconic 1 leg drunken stance
yup took 4 takes on average. Jackie Chan also said the same thing, that it's exceptionally rare for him to match someone who was able to do fights in so few takes.
@@jkingsley3656 Jackie says that but he had a dedicated team of stuntmen he worked with on every film, and they were so practiced they had their own "fight language" in grunts and yelps to help keep time and let Jackie know where the next piece was coming from. They could practice fights for a day and seamlessly do them at varied speeds the next day for multiple takes.
2 reasons for the blocking outward:
1) it is easier to film, and does not block the vision of what is going on, for the viewer.
2) a lot of chinese martial arts, emphasize the center line theory, in which you try to block outwards, then step in so you can close off the secondary punch, by making it's path towards your center line longer, than your offhand's path to intercept or counter the attack. they also like cutting the power of strikes, by meeting them before they had full acceleration or extention, so they can lessen the power of the impact down significantly.
This, and also if blocking inward you can not make use of the Kinetic energy of the enemys blow you "blocked". Because, it is more like a "Parry".
Blocking on the inside allows for bigger motions and lets the performers continue to face each other without awkward turns or breaking off. While there are legit reasons to block that way (for example, there are a ton of nerves on the inside of the arm) it's mostly about more exciting fight choreography.
It is because outward motion is easier and faster.
Yeah, irl, its very much a risk/reward thing. Blocking and moving inside opens your opponent up to so many more striking points. But it also exposes you to their other arm and legs.
Former wushu practitioner here. We used to block almost exclusively on the inside because blocking is considered the beginning of counter attack. An inside block if executed correctly can deal A LOT of disrupt to the attacker's arm. Plus, it's easier to go for a hip throw from the inside.
It works so well because you not only have 2 amazing Martial Artists, but 2 masters of on screen Martial Arts. What I mean by that is that they both know exactly what it takes to make these fights work from a vision point. So awesome to see, and also surprising that this movie was the first time they had ever worked together.
Impressive given that Jackie is 9/10 years older than Jet...In the Tea house fight the directors commentary pointed out that some cynics think Jackies getting too old to do what he does...should take another look at his fluidity of motion and power. He stated that the Chinese have a name for "explosive power" and that Jackie has it.
To this day, I still get chills when I watch this fight scene/movie and think about the type of mastery these two bring to this film. I grew up watching Jet and Jackie way before they became popular in the west and was equally surprised that this was their firt time together in a movie. Even the styles theys use is almost like am homage or a greatest hits of all their stuff combined into one 👍
I remember being excited to see these 2 guys on screen together even at age 30 in ‘08. Was not disappointed!
@FIGHFANNERD 9 Yup 🙂
I remember hearing about this film on the radio in 2006 when I was stationed in Hawaii. Come 2008 when it came out the theater was PACKED and everyone in there lost their minds at this scene.
Yes!!!!! The animal style kung fu shown here is awesome: Jet Li’s mantis and Jackie Chan using tiger and crane. This entire film is great and as always, no one does Drunken Fist like Jackie Chan.
Has anyone else ever done it though? I think Donnie Yen could be as good.
@@timothysweezey1291 are you asking historically or in movies/media?
@@camiloiribarren1450 movies/media
@@timothysweezey1291 I think Jackie Chain’s the most famous one
@@camiloiribarren1450 he's the most famous one. Usually in the movies Hung Gar practitioners of the Lau and Chiu families did it. Knowing how to move is one thing, even how to use some of the practical strikes etc. But he literally seems to live the moment when doing his performances and that's apparently the key to it.
If you like, take a look at the ending fight when the protagonist gets back. You realize he wasn't being trained to win a fight he was ludicrously outmatched in. He was being trained to win the fight he was in at the film's beginning.
What I loved most about this movie was the Jade Warlord was played by Collin Chou. Collin Chou is one BAD MAN.
I agree. That guy is seriously under-rated.Him and Donni Yen
Michael Angarano as of late has been on TV, his last film was in 2018 called In A Relationship. His most recent work was his appearance on This is Us.
This is still the best part of the movie to watch in my opinion. I love watching Southern Kung fu and Northern Kung fu square off. And the 2 animal styles are exactly what you expect from them. Even when they used snake vs eagle.
On deflection.. it's for the counter, creating shorter movements, making more moves in split seconds. Controlling the inside will make you more dominant against the opponent.
It really depends. A lot of tiger techniques are straight forward, but also go to the opponents sides just as one example and you then want to hit the flanks as hard as possible while preventing the opponent of turning towards you.
Sure you can work on the inside, but then you usually would want to go all in and either allways control the opponents arms through bridges, or get in really close. Well.. and an open front is sometimes easyer to hit than a flank blocked by an arm.
I'd say working inside has a higher risk, but can reap higher rewards while working outside is usually safer. We learn and do both, because plans usually don't work in messy fights 😂
This fight will never cease to catch my attention 🥲🥲🥲
absolutely love this movie and this has to be one of my favourite on screen fights ever. legends. i didn't want this fight to end
Another part of the deflection to the outside is that a major foundation for the martials arts taught at the Beijing School of Opera is Wing Chun, which emphasizes control of the midline (shortest distance between two combatants).
Loved this reaction Max, keep it up bro. I actually watched this movie a few months ago, have always loved it, i can still remember watching it as a kid.
The sound effects for the tiger style that Jackie Chan's character was using still holds up very well and I get chills whenever I hear it.
The baas is insane!
I'M SO HAPPY YOU REACTED TO THIS
You did it!!! Omg I love this fight… so many styles on display
That dragon ball shirt goes dummy too
This was awesome, seeing two legends go head to head like this.
I'm not trained in any of this but I love how you see someone doing something you don't normally do and you aren't saying it's wrong, you just want to understand it. Love how you view these things :D
Always be learning c:
Generally Chinese martial arts like to stay on the inside to do combat. They're very good at that range.
I’m just glad they revisited their most famous roles: the drunken master and the shaolin monk.
Precision and timing on point 🎉 2 legends
I’m still impressed by your reactions! If you get a chance, you should check out the scene Taking Home the Bacon from the movie Warrior. As to the reason why wushu fighters deflect outwards is because it is a form of soft technique that requires the least amount of effort and uses the opponent’s momentum to shift the opponent into a position that would be more advantageous for the defender to switch from defensive to offensive styles and also throws the opponent off balance
i think i was too young to appreciate this movie when i was 18 when this came out, ever since i had seen tony jaa in action i was like "pffftt look at these guys using wires laaame" now im like, oh this is pretty damn amazing actually.
As others mentioned, the 'inside' block opens way to opponent's throat and allows a very, very quick kill. But you shouldn't kill in modern tournaments. For a non-lethal response blocking to the outside is more useful, as you can deliver non-lethal punches while the opponent has a harder time to respond.
I think the reason for deflection to the inside is to overextend the opponent’s momentum and throw them off balance. For example, if I throw a right cross and you deflect it hard to the inside, then my options for a counterattack are greatly shortened since my arm is being pushed further than intended.
Yes, this is correct. In many Chinese martial arts like Wu Shu you absolutely want to stay inside, and centered yourself.. And deflecting punches like this reflect that as well. They even have things like inside kicks, and stuff like that.. They split human body to outside and inside sections as well. You are absolutely correct with this.
I love your positive vibes along the way. You must love Kung Fu so much? And what better Kung Fu there is than the one "played" by both Kung Fu "heroes" of all times: *Jackie Chan* and *Jet Li.* Most of us probably watch these two as we grew up. Watching these two collaborate is like having Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger fight each other: you wouldn't want to see either one lose. Haha.
That white kid also ended up in the very dark comedy the Brass Teapot. That shit's something else. He was also Will Stronghold in Sky High
This was like the “expendables” of martial arts back then: J VS J
I didn’t blink during this fight scene
The reason to deflect out is that when you do, that arm for your opponent is now completely harmless for a moment allowing you to immediately step in and counter with your other hand.
It can also be used as a combo to deflect outward and attempt to grab that arm into an standing armbar. Though that is less practical in reality.
I personally like deflecting out a lot more specifically so I can counter attack immediately while my opponent is off balance
Michael Angarano, who played the "main character" has actually had a fairly long-ish career....but this was definitely one of his high points. His other big credit was as the main character in that film Shy High where he was the son of super hero parents. Aside from that, he mostly had smaller roles, or single episode appearances on TV shows.
So yeah....he kind of did get lucky and got to be in a Jackie/Jet film and disappeared. lol
Also The reason he was picked for this movie. What is because he is a black belt in karate and was trained by Chuck Norris.
@@Kilopapa-alph1 Oh?
this was my request heck ya
i wish that they had more fight scenes
Me too man me too
Knowing how to film these fighting styles is a high art in itself.
I've never watched it but that was so fun!
The beauty about scenes like these is from a movie standpoint itself. Due to the fact both Jackie Chan and Jet Li can actually fight, they can show these fight sequences in a single full body shot. Which means you see all the movements and stuff. With actors and actresses where thats not the case you have these shaky camera’s that continuesly cut to the hands or feet, then to the face. All because the actions themselves are done by stunt people. Like that a fight is much harder to follow as you basically dont know whats actually happening. But with this scene for example you see the whole fight in a clear sequence without unnecessary cuts.
It's always nice to see fighters use their elbows.
Staying on the inside and close to the opponent. It gives you more options and a larger target while keeping the opponent limited and in a disadvantage.
Watched it yesterday for about the 10th time, great movie
I like how you mentioned the tiger expression when jackie does his moves because i caught that the first time, but the second time i watched it i can here the preying mantis when jet Li is playing defense, one of best action scenes we will ever see
i watched this movie a bunch of times but I never realized how long this fight was.
3:12. Jackie getting up from that knockdown from the flare, to that forward stumble, to that fluid motion going into the pose was absolutely beautiful 😍
Would love to see you react someday to the final fight scene of No Retreat No Surrender, such a great classic film.
One of the more amazing things, regarding story, for this fight scene is the fact that Jackie is a Mortal while Jet is the avatar of a God constructed from a single hair. Jackie's character pretends to be the God of Wine and Drink. So a mortal holding their own against the avatar of a God is pretty dope.
Such a fun scene.
Best fighting scene of all time love them both
There is something so exhilarating about watching two masters, absolute boss legends, on screen together doing what they do best.
ETA: I also appreciate the way the director films this fight. You can follow the strikes & actions so clearly. That’s not always the case with directors from the West.
You are absolutely correct about that. That's one reason why I love the John Wick films are they stay with the action as you can see what's going on
Yeah when they edit fight scenes in western movies and shows it jump cuts like crazy because the actors sucks at fighting. Whenever you see an insane amount of cuts it's them trying to cut around the actors missing their spots.
Two Masters doing there thing, i was hyped when i first saw this movie.
Thanks now I gotta go track down this movie and watch it today✌️
By deflecting the punches to the outside helps open up your opponent’s center line. This helps create opportunities where you can hit vital points and helps reduce the distance needed to strike back.
LOL! I'm with you. Watching this reminded me of how great the movie is. Now I need to go back and watch it.
There are 2 reasons to deflect punches that way. The first reason is because when you deflect that way it's faster then deflecting the other way, now the reason this is, is because you can keep your hands tucked into the inside while deflecting, the other way seems faster but it isn't when you have to keep deflecting multiple punches in a row.
The second reason is for visual effect. When you deflect the other way it's not as visually appealing and you'll see this theme over and over again in movies they do moves that are much BIGGER just to make them more visually appealing as compared to doing a movie that's realistically tiny but more more effective.
I think the deflections to the inside is to open up the midsection for you to do damage. Might be more of an attack first mindset.
It’s probably already been said (in reference to the deflecting from inside to out); but yeah, it’s pretty simple and basic. You want to stay on the inside/centre line, as well as knowing that parrying is just moving the attack slightly off target. So the “ideal safe ground” is within those two conceptual approaches.
Great movie! I’ve watched so many times. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon next!
The drunk master fights style, i agree with you Jackie chan do it better than any one else
How do you feel about true legend.
@@feirabbitt no doubt that both are legends, but as i said before Jackie still my favorite
It's funny because all of the drunken fist styles in videogames are basically based on Jackie Chan's interpretation of the style. So every character end up fighting just like Jackie.
@@ibrohiem that’s why he is the best
I was taught to block that way because it puts your hand on the inside of their guard for counter striking and secondary blocks or grabs.
Dude. Found your channel quite by accident... love your commentary! Do you also commentary on other cool martial arts movies? If so can you do fight for survival aka the Tao mo classics I believe its also called
To answer the question @4:28, the actor is Michael Angarano. There was like a 2-3 year span in the mid-2000s in which he was in a few big studio movies; notably, he starred in this one & also Sky High, & had a supporting role in Lords of Dogtown. He's been in other stuff since then, usually having large roles in smaller movies or having smaller roles in big stuff.
when i was learning wushu application, the reason of deflecting the punches outside is yes, to still continue to be inside and at the same time, use your other fist to initiate a counter, so it will be a deflect + strike back (counter).
Been studying Zue Quan for 8 years. the idea deflecting to the outside is to stay inside the opponents guard. helps with grapples and allows for drunken movements whilst still being close enough to strike. a guard i find useful as to keep me elbows parelel to each other, imagine a stick holding them together, this allows me to keep my guard up whist deflecting a punch.
So I'm a black belt and a huge Jackie Chan fan, and I love your reactions of his fights. As a fan, I of course have some favorite fights. So may I suggest:
The ladder fight from Jackie Chan's First Strike
Singing in the Rain fight from Shanghai Knights
Amsterdam fight from Who Am I
Love your videos!
1. About the blocking, I think it was by the technique used since Kung-Fu has been made, I mean that how it was used. Unlike today it's different. Less less less style. It's about just fighting not the martial-arts. Practicality also. But this kind of film make us see the beauty of Martial arts culture. That is why they are called martial art heroes.
2. Yes, who is that young actor? I saw him to in a superhero movie, Hero Academy!? As I watch I cannot but feel so much envy. I wanna cry in the cinema. Imagine you are with the two biggest ICONS of martial arts, film industry and them working together for the first time. Like what they say "Never before maybe never again". The last time they worked together also with Donnie Yen was in Building of a Republic, I haven't seen it though but it was criticized for some historical inaccuracy or revisionism.
3. It's writer, whom we should be thankful for making this film possible. From a bedtime story he made up for his kid before bedtime Wu Kong became alive here. He immeJetli he he thought of Jet Li as Wu Kong and the Monk and who asked to play as DM and of course choreography by Yuen-Woo Ping. Woo Ping was surprised with the script cuz it already has a right scene or mentioned of techniques to be used then he had the idea of putting Jet's inconceivable power and Jackie's comic character.
In a behind the scene of director or produce said hey were just too fast and asked to slowdown. And the two were making jokes. And the behind to scene they were really to fast and that's their normal speed. In Kiss of the Dragon (interview If I remember correctly) I read that they move (as martial artists) 6-7X faster than normal a person.
I, we surely are wishing to see them again at new a film together. In the nearest future. I really that kid. I am a huge fan of Jet Li and there he was with 2 Diamond.
I love this film. Everyone was great in it. And this scene WOW👍The kid is Michael Angarano. Has been in a lot. His family own and run several dance studios (may have helped with his choreography) and he very luckily missed out on playing Anakin Sywalker.
Should do the French vs Sue fight from Debt Collector 2. Great fight with Scott Adkins 🙂
Don't know if you watch Scott's RUclips channel but to listen to the two of them break that scene down was awesome and a great listen
Love your reaction, more love and fun unlike the others switch to negative instead of having a good good time
That movie is Great, the fight with the Jade Warlord was pretty cool too. I just loved it.
The teahouse fight from Forbidden Kingdom.. if you get a chance watch it with the director commentary...priceless
Definitely should watch the foreigner fight scenes
"Around the World in 80 Days" the fighting seen near the end of the movie with the ten tigers is another good one. Id recommend it.
Blocking outward is good for a strait counter attack to the body or throat, especially if you're against an untrained &/or slower opponent, but I was also taught stepping to the side (inward). Of course then again, It has been years that I had practiced, but use to be pretty fast and flexible, NOW I would just break a hip lol
3 things about this movie. 1st I'm hoping for round 2 in the expendables films.
2nd I love that jet li and Jackie Chan both got or play their original roles, Jackie, as the drunken master, and Jet Li as the monkey king.
3rd, please review legend of the fists with Jet LI the scene where he defends the school by incorporating American boxing with Kung fu is such a great scene to show how modern mma came about.
When you deflect the blows outwards to inwards you're folding the body reducing the opponents chances to strike you.
You should check out the bar fight in the pilot of AMC's Gangs of London or the axe fight in ep. 104.
The way they deflect looks better on screen
I recommend you react to Jet li vs general fujita fist of legend final fight, amazing jet film
Damn you always have so much energy! I love it
Also they prob deflect inside because it allows for prolonged oucnh exchanges. Even in Chinese martial arts there is a tendency to stay on the outside
Hello there. Nice video, well done. I am a martial artist myself for 24 years now, Kung-Fu is in my core, duo not first art. And let me tell you- The presentation is amazing, but like in most Kung-Fu scenes, they are breaking human physics. WE CAN'T FLY! About the deflection, this is a common philosophy in Kung-Fu, from the inside out, it allows me a bigger range of motion so I can follow. And I am joining your channel, I love your reactions, and I can donate from my knowledge if you like. In Kung-Fu I practice: Dragon style, Southern style and Hong-Gar.
Blocking from inside-to-out is very common in Southern Shaolin systems, especially Hung Gar. Yes, you typically want to stay in close, inside their guard. Sweeping up and out, like a mook sau or taan sau ( I'm probably not anglicizing that correctly ) can intercept a wide range of incoming strikes, clears your centerline, and can expose theirs to you. If your strike was blocked, or your other arm grabbed, you can also use that block to wipe and clear your arm.
It's not that you don't take the outside angle when offered, it's just assumed normally your opponent won't offer it.
The reason why they deflect shots from the outside is so the retheme of the choreography flow beter. It's harder to do a flowing fight scene with realistic fight style unless you have multiple opponents you can deflect inside then knock them out with a counter and move on to the next guy.
Who'd know how incredible the fight would be if it was still during the 80's or 90's movie
If you deflect the punch to the outside in the way they are, you can then SEE the second hand coming in at you. That leaves both your hands open to deflect that one as well.
In some styles of kung fu, there's a theory about dominating the "center line". The idea is to always stay in the center of your opponent's range and deflect all his attacks outside.
4:30-34 The preying mantis was damn fast on the shoulders of Jackie.
Great movie!
The commentary on the dvd said they had to move the props around them instead of moving the actors around the set so as to get this fight scene right.
I looked the kid up, Michael Angarano, he's still quite active in films and TV but it appears more artsy, TV/Cable moves, or straight to DVD
Jackie commented that this fight choreography was one of his most comfortable ones because Jet Li was very easy to work with, having the same beat and rhythm.
Inside direct contact, power misdirect and opening the body redirecting the flow of power and control of impact outward.
I like to mirror the opponent's position and push the attacking arm inward too, so I can get to the side or eventually behind the opponent. You see that in the Kali or Silat flow which was one of the styles which influenced Okinawan Karate. But in Chinese arts you see both. In Wing Chun you push the attack outward to have the centerline of the opponent exposed.
When they deflect punches like you where asking. I was told because, A they want to stay on the inside. And B. They want to get that limb out of the way to open up more target area. If that makes sense to you. And C, looks really good on camera, getting cleaner choreography that way.
Watching Jackie Chan and Jet li was the best fight in the movie.
You should do video of Law vs Yu law from the One. That takes kicking your own ass to the next level
When I did kung fu, outward deflecting blocks were common. But I also imagine they might just look better on movies.
Always was a fan of this movie and anything sun wukong related
3:25 is actually one of the few deflections that went as you say [I think] is commonplace--inside to outside, yet 3:21 are like deflection from out to in like I think you like, so you are placed on the outside.-Ernie Moore Jr.
Presumimng, you want to be outside to get behind them as well as being on the otherside of their body reduces how much they can use the other arm ...You are MMA and want to grapple.-Ernie Moore Jr.
I think the Chinese is Mirror hand, in to out--mirror--my left hand to your right-hand-side deflect eats your progress in-country. Nothing in stone, but two versatilities are explored:1) lock out--straighten the arm, but know the other is comimg, block then hit inside first with either.-EMJ 2) Principle of Bounce or kwa--use the momentum of the incoming attack to fuel your momentum goig in After your stop-and-push-out of their attack.; crossbody arm keep it going in that direction--a guiding hand uses less energy than a stopping hand or redirecting.-Ernie Moore Jr.
Not a martial artist myself, but based on how Jet Li's character (the corrupt one) in The One described combat, "The shortest distance between two points is a straight line" the reason for deflecting to the outside would be to open up that straight path to your opponent. It seems to me, it's the mindset of deflect and counter.