We have a fluid in the industry, that's used after deicing at the gaten it basically builds a layer between the wing and any snow/light rime that may accumulate from the gate to the runway, that is undoubtably what was used here, heavy snow and ice don't come of that easily
No clue if is it or not, but to me it sounds like some gears missing teeth. I had a dynamo torch and the gears were all buzzing fine till they started failing. Tinkering on it, I saw the plastic gears missing some teeth. From then on, it sounded quite like that chopper after wetting the blades
I once had an empty chip bag fly up into my rotor disc (semi articulated) and boy did it upset the balance! I'm amazed that the Blackhawk didn't side slip into the sea completely!
But in that case he definitely should have known better than to cause all that noisy cavitation under the water. Stealthiness is the name of the game! No surprise he got kicked out of the navy...
There's another video of a Blackhawk forced landing in the middle of a busy street. It pulled wires down and everything and maintained control in a descending hover and just landed with all that damage. Impressive. They are obviously very robust helicopters. Search that video, you'll enjoy it. I watched it a few times to make sure I was believing what I was seeing...
We had a hawk of ours landing at a brand new LZ in Iraq and nobody saw the pile of black tarps just off to the side. Watching half a dozen black tarps fly up and get caught in the blades of chalk 1 was a butt-pucker moment, but they landed ok and shut down.
If i was a passenger and saw no de-icing when we're taxiing, I'd raise a concern to the chief attendant and ask why de-icing was skipped and ask if they want us all to die.
It's eastern Europe and when the conditions get that cold the moisture levels are so low that the snow is "dry", so no need to de-ice. Been common practice for years.
Nah, he's good. Check the channel name again. It's not 3.00 Minutes of Aviation. Or even 3.0 Minutes. Remembering whatever math class where decimals and rounding off were introduced, anything between 2:31 and 3:30 works, as much as we yearn for more.
That plane taking off with wings full of snow makes me soo mad.People got used to things going well for a few years and skip safety,then a tragedy will happen to remind everyone that there s still danger out there.
I don´t think they skipped anything really. After deice the chemicals stay there on the winf forming sort of a layer so in case it snows (not ice, but trully snowflakes) it does not stick to the surface of the plane, instead it slides off. Ofc I have no idea how thick the layer of snow can be before another deice but it´s not that dangerous as it may look like.
@@Briela65 If the aircraft had been deiced, then it needed doing again as the holdover time had clearly lapsed. It is extremely dangerous and unprofessional to take off with ANY contamination on the wings or tail surfaces and any crew doing so should be fired!
@@samuellp1146he's just making a joke. Most people associate airforce with flying and navy with sea. Thats all it is. He's not trying to disrespect anyone. The reckless pilot of that chopper is the real insult.
@@moshunit96 I know I know you can't tell by my smile? He may be joking but I wanted his response, he could be Airforce because both branches like to kid each other.
@@samuellp1146 - I was army. We have a saying about our Sea Kings. It’s the quickest way to go from air force to Navy. It’s just a joke man. Don’t be so serious.
There's an old Flight Safety poster with a picture of a Seahawk coming to pieces after a stunt like this that says, "When it comes to low passes, the best you can do is tie the record."
I'd be scared until i heard the engines power up for the go-around. Its extremely respectful decisions versus running on ego and trying to land the plane. Gotta thank Kelsie for teaching me that.
The worst flight I've ever had was turbulence. It was so bad we had to circle for an hour, and when we were cleared for landing, the pilot pulled back up right before the wheels touched down. I'm sure he did the right thing, but I was fighting back the vomit and didn't think I would last much longer.
Yep. But then there was that one-eyed Taca pilot who side-slipped a 737 that was out of fuel, and landed perfectly on a grass levee. LEGEND level landing.
@@cplcabs Temp was cold enough where no moisture would make it adhere. Do you think they deice the planes leaving Antarctica? Or do you have you private pilot and know it all?
@@josephdale69 this is youtube, everyone knows everything about everything. Oh, and if the snow wasn't sticking it would have gotten blown off the wing a lot quicker then it did.
Wow! Didn't expect too see that here. I'm working on that black Hawk. 3 out of the 4 blades were damaged beyond repair, tip caps destroyed and transmission is currently under inspection but seems to be ok No one was hurt.
the A330 at 1:17.... I've been in turbulence that scared the living shit out of me, and yet I've been in nothing even CLOSE to that bad. I can't even imagine the sensations... then when you see he's going around again i imagine everyone's just telling each other and themselves "we're in the hands of highly trained professionals. Crashes are really really rare" over and over and over again LOL
you wouldn't have authority to do shit anyways, happened in Europe/Russia. LMAO - why does the FAA think it has authority to do anything on planes not even registered to an American Airline and outside of our Air Space?
@@DCSMustang Correct, however, the FAA evaluates other countries to make sure their Civil Aviation Authority is properly certificating/surveilling their national air carriers. If the FAA sees activity like this, the country will lose their Category I status and their right to fly to/from the US. This can bankrupt the carrier. The program is called FAA IASA: www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/iasa
Yes, I am impressed with the strength of the Blackhawk rotor blades. I was expecting something catastrophic, that the pilot could land without any loss of life or craft is amazing.
In my previous airline, no matter the contamination, we always de-ice. It is even the only case where cabin crew should report to the cockpit directly without informing the purser.
@@cplcabs Maybe if the commentary was in English or Spanish, even French. But the voice in the video was Russian... so... A320, with grey wings, in snow, without deiceing, with Russian passenger...That's one of the Aeroflot A320's that will get scrapped when it is repossessed. Not Delta.
2:13 that wasn’t ice, it was snow. The crew had assessed that there was no ice and that the snow would easily slide off. Their decision was validated by the take-off footage.
I was an operator in 7th SFG. I hated the pilots who’d come to support our training outside of the Special Ops pilots. All the others seemed like they had something to prove. A CH47 came to pick us up for an DA training hit with f-ing pine bows stuck in its landing gear. He hit a tree approaching a three story building we were about to fast rope onto and f**ked up the entire hit. Oh, and almost crashed. Just one of many, many incidents flying in helicopters. I got nothing thrilling out of them like some did. As soon as we got up I couldn’t wait to get down again.
Yes, better than the incoming projectile alarms. Pilots losing 350ft per second doing rolls, flares out. Ah, Kirkuk Iraq patrol nights. That was my last helo ride voluntary as it's medic. I shit myself twice, said this is it, here we go.
It's difficult to tell with the low video quality, but it looks almost like the A320 with snow had type IV fluid onto which the snow had fallen. It's supposed to absorb the snow and slough off during takeoff, leaving a clean wing. But even if it had been coated with type IV fluid, it had definitely built up too much snow for a safe departure at that point. But it's hard to tell for sure if I saw any green (the type IV fluid), so I'm not sure.
I dont know many recent incidents are shocking on how pilots are starting to become a little less careful. Skipping de- icing, the rotor strike, in India keeping drinks over the flight instruments. Its all just shocking
Trust me, it's not only India where they have drinks in the cockpit. Coffee is a substance I regularly see ingressed into the instruments I service. It rarely leads to significant failures though (some instrument-manufacturers have learned to put gaskets between basically everything to keep the insides from getting contaminated), it just gets too a messy residu. There's one major difference between instruments from Asian-airlines (or sparelines) and others: they are always, by far, the most dirty, sticky and what not instruments you will get because of all the sweet stuff the crew eats (when my dad worked in major overhaul for a short time, the planes that serviced the Asian regions the most were notorious and feared because of all the dried dates and other fruits that would be spilled by passengers by accident and end up between seats, the rails the seats were fixed in and even underneath the carpets on the floor. Sticky fingers would usually make the armrests and other parts crew and passengers would regularly touch, a nightmare as well. We know that a few of the instruments we service are in such a location on the plane that they can hold a standard paper coffee-cup in place very well, within excellent reach of the crew. Unfortunately also the reason why those instruments usually have the worst dried-up coffee on/in them.
In some locations where its very cold they know the snow is powdered, can accumulate quickly and deicing isn't necessary. But I still don't fancy flying like that.
Doesn't matter if you're flying in the FAA jurisdiction. No plane can operate with frost, ice or snow on the wings or control surfaces. Not sure what the rules are in other countries.
Powder snow would have blown off a whole lot sooner than that. What you are seeing is highly irresponsible behaviour that should have meant the crew had just operated their last flight.
I’d have seen it whilst approaching the aircraft, enquired and it at the door and anything less than “we’re going to deice it before we leave” would have had me noping on out of there.
@@haitolawrence5986 "pretty sure....", sure enough to bet your life on it? I can tell you for sure that no US 121 or 135 air carrier has a deicing program that would allow for such operations. I am an FAA Aviation Safety Inspector and perform accident investigations.
Great work on the last one stating that contaminated wing surfaces has led to accidents in the past. I was about to post something along the lines as well. You always de-ice. They were just trying to save some time.
I worked at Sikorsky 40 years ago and saw the damage from hitting a seagull. It sheared 2 feet from one blade, then less on two others. It was able to land.
To all the NON PILOTS below warbling on about how dangerous it is to have flown with snow on the wings....I am ground staff at a major international and it is completely normal to depart with snow...NOT ice but snow. Ice comes from frozen rain and doesn't come off whereas light snow just blows away. Thats why you've all heard of de-icing machines but you've never heard of a de-snowing machine...stop berating the pilot/ariline for something you know nothing about.
It is unlawful (in the US) to attempt to fly a plane with ice or frost on any part of the wing surface except underneath near the fuselage. That should be a license suspension if not revocation since there were passengers onboard
That’s not true. Most just always spray everything now for liability. Look up the 737 and see what the big black outline on top of the wing is for. Laws are made for the lowest common denominator…just because it’s unlawful doesn’t make it unsafe. 😂
Except they would have de iced and sat waiting for clearance for twenty mins... You would de ice again? then again? then again? If these were Aeroflot pilots they fly in minus 50C all year round and know icing better than the rest of the world bar none.
It doesn’t matter how long they wait. Deicing isn’t a one and done process. You get deiced as many times as necessary to take off with a clean wing or you cancel the flight.
@@martinda7446 Apparently on the original video there are also many aeroflot pilots expressing shock and disgust. I don't speak russian so this is just what I heard. What you're doing is just assuming every single pilot is attentive, safety conscious and diligent and must have done everything correctly and to procedure despite the fact that there are endless examples of crashes caused by just the opposite.
@@martinda7446 de-icing doesn't just remove what's there, it also prevents the build up of more. I would not feel safe on any plane that even rolled onto the runway with that much snow. Planes that size also have anti-ice systems that help keep build up to a minimum. That's why they can fly though clouds at 300 and not fall out of the sky
As a pilot, had I been sitting by the window as I usually do and knew that we hadn't de-iced, I probably would've been $hitting a brick. It's good ADM to eliminate the 'what if' scenario, always. Then again, I'm not a glorified bus driver in a crunch for time either.
They would have de iced. I guarantee it. They may have waited for half an hour for clearance. These guys fly in minus 50C all year round and know the conditions better than anyone else on earth. If they had decided to de ice again - for no reason - they would have been in the same position again half an hour later...etc repeat...
@@martinda7446 Deicing holdover time is almost non existant. If it was snowing hard, they would have applied anti-ice fluid. The anti-ice fluid almost absorbs the snow. A responsible airline would not allow departure with that amount of accumulation.
As reckless as it was, being able to land the helicopter with the damaged rotors was still impressive. He'll make a great pilot in whatever third-world air force he ends up in!
Don't feel that way. What you see here are the exceptions caught by countless cameras. 99.9% of the time, it's just routine. I flew with the US Air Force for a number of years and was never in a danger situation. They train their pilots well.
Nah, I'm alright controlling my own destiny. I will not give 100% trust in anyone to keep me safe. And that's what flying is. Putting your life in the hands of a stranger. And in the next decade, DEI will make it even more risky.
"Putting your life in the hands of a stranger." - Humanity in a nutshell. We can't absorb statistics. It's proved with statistics that a higher chance of dying in car than in plain. It's a fact. You still feel the car safer because you have more control. Control over what? The wheel? What about road conditions, extreme weather, your car's condition, and the few million drivers whom you come across driving DUI, underage, angry, often gunned?
FAA 14 CFR § 91.527 Operating in icing conditions. (a) No pilot may take off an airplane that has frost, ice, or snow adhering to any propeller, windshield, stabilizing or control surface; to a powerplant installation; or to an airspeed, altimeter, rate of climb, or flight attitude instrument system or wing, except that takeoffs may be made with frost under the wing in the area of the fuel tanks if authorized by the FAA.
The last one was quite risky. Even if it’s just snow it changes the shape and the camber of the wing, leading to reduced lift. That’s quite the risk to take, especially when as the pilot you cannot see the wing without looking back during takeoff.
@@e-curb You can see the topside of the wings, but not with much detail. Trust me I have been in the industry for 25 years, I know a thing or two about the cockpit
1st one, yes, pull that guy's ticket, he is lucky they walked away from that. 2nd one, can't see any problem there, real gusty, wind shear, approach became unstabilised, and pilot made the right decision to go around. No biggie. 4th one, that was just downright stupid, I would have stopped the flight before lining up, said I want to get off please.
A friend did some back country skiing by Helicopter once upon a time. On the 2nd run of the day the pilot clipped a snow bank, right at touchdown, on the edge of a mountain. He almost made it out the door with his gear, but then falling backwards down the mountain, as the helicopter rolled backwards off the edge. The pilot caught it and got them back down. Chopper was missing about a foot off of one blade. Thanks for the vid 3A.
As a professional pilot, with artic training in the military, I think the A320 crew are bordering on the grossly negligent and I'd like to see where the company ops manual makes it possible to depart with ice and snow on the wings .🤬
@@Chris11249 Because aircraft store fuel in the wings they become very cold and heavy snow can stick to the wings so if an aircraft is delayed for some time it should go back and de-ice, but most airlines would forbid taxing in "heavy snow".
@@bud3442 Look at the lion share of the videos where pilots are flying like assholes..all spanish...they speak Spanish in Mexico so, yeah, there is a good chance it was predictable.
I am genuinely shocked that Blackhawk didn't go down in the water. So much for the Mythbuster myth of "a single sticker could unbalance the rotor enough to cause a catastrophic failure."
Well, there is a thing in helicopters that is called terminal resonance, which can wreck the complete structure if it occurs and the pilot does not take immediate action when he senses the first problems. Probably the most important thing in this case is that most likely multiple blades got damaged, evening the imbalance. They rotate so fast it's nearly impossible to damage just 1 blade.
I'm always impressed at the control pilots have to have in those very sheer cross wind situations like the Delta flight. It also makes me really want to make sure that standards are kept tight for commercial pilots. It's likely that most flights are very routine, but in those cases where it is not routine, they need to be on top of their game for the sake of everyone on board.
the a320 pilots with the de-icing did an extremely stupid thing If if was actually ice, attached firmly to the wings, parasite drag could've been a lot and they could've even been unable to take off but realize too late. Disasters happened because of that
@@Veldtian1 Doesn't matter if you're flying in the FAA jurisdiction. No plane can operate with frost, ice or snow on the wings or control surfaces. Not sure what the rules are in other countries.
@@mikoto7693 powdered snow would have blown off well before the plane took off. You can see snow still on the plane as it leaves the ground. it's not powder.
I wanna be a pilot when I grow up. It does not seem like the requirements are too high. It seems a lot less smarts than long division is required. But I did pass long division. I got a C-!
OMG I would have been so pissed if I was on that A320. I work in airport operations, so I have a great amount of respect for flight crew, but I can promise you I would have gotten myself kicked off that plane.
Years ago I used to think, "I could never be a pilot, I'm stupid". After watching some of these, I only believe in the last part of my statement now.
Infact, then you do know that you may not even be stupid.
And :-) be what it takes to command an airship too
Hahahaha same
The last part... "pilot, I'm stupid"?😄
Only the wise man knows if he is stupid.
that's a run-on sentence. ", and..."
Seems very irresponsible to skip de-icing no??
Very much so
Who puts ''no'' at the end of their sentence
@@ImperialImplant Who are you to question it after leaving a question mark off the end of your sentence ?
We have a fluid in the industry, that's used after deicing at the gaten it basically builds a layer between the wing and any snow/light rime that may accumulate from the gate to the runway, that is undoubtably what was used here, heavy snow and ice don't come of that easily
@@ImperialImplant Someone who doesn't speak english as their first language, I guess. I'm pretty sure you can relate.
Amazing how the rotor sound changes after hitting the water...don't need to be an expert to know that doesn't sound right, lol.
True
No clue if is it or not, but to me it sounds like some gears missing teeth.
I had a dynamo torch and the gears were all buzzing fine till they started failing. Tinkering on it, I saw the plastic gears missing some teeth.
From then on, it sounded quite like that chopper after wetting the blades
Looks like something flew off one of the blades maybe a deice boot?
Authorities have no sense of humor.
I once had an empty chip bag fly up into my rotor disc (semi articulated) and boy did it upset the balance! I'm amazed that the Blackhawk didn't side slip into the sea completely!
The military Blackhawk pilot just transitioned from his last job as a submarine officer and was afraid of heights.
He almost managed to change careers to fish feeder.
That is why he almost turned his chopper into a submarine.
All I know is that his boss is gonna skin him alive😂
But in that case he definitely should have known better than to cause all that noisy cavitation under the water. Stealthiness is the name of the game! No surprise he got kicked out of the navy...
Mexico has .........pilots??
Holy cow, the fact he kept airborne is impressive. Dumping rotor momentum into water like that, like jeez.
There's another video of a Blackhawk forced landing in the middle of a busy street. It pulled wires down and everything and maintained control in a descending hover and just landed with all that damage. Impressive. They are obviously very robust helicopters. Search that video, you'll enjoy it.
I watched it a few times to make sure I was believing what I was seeing...
@@MrFg1980 Yeah it takes more than just water strike or powerlines to take a Blackhawk down
We had a hawk of ours landing at a brand new LZ in Iraq and nobody saw the pile of black tarps just off to the side. Watching half a dozen black tarps fly up and get caught in the blades of chalk 1 was a butt-pucker moment, but they landed ok and shut down.
Just goes to show how well made the rotor blades are!
yes pucker factor indeed
The A320 crew were lucky that it was only snow on the wings and not ice. Aerodynamic forces would not dislodge ice
or they have made sure it's was only snow and proceeded safely
@@throwbacknba8259 still illegal to fly.
There is a so called "clean wing concept".
@@throwbacknba8259 wrong
Aerodynamic forces may not but ground impact sure as hell will.
They weren't lucky, they had checked before flight the snow was not adhering to the wings. It's SOP.
I'd be more afraid if de-icing was skipped 😅
If i was a passenger and saw no de-icing when we're taxiing, I'd raise a concern to the chief attendant and ask why de-icing was skipped and ask if they want us all to die.
I'd be wanting off that flight immediately if I saw it taxiing with that ice/snow on the wings.
@@3scarybunnies211 there should be an emergency stop cord to pull.
It's eastern Europe and when the conditions get that cold the moisture levels are so low that the snow is "dry", so no need to de-ice. Been common practice for years.
@@lloydbrock2711 even if the surface is warming up due to the anti-ice system on? Fuel is also heating
I remember that plane crash in Washington, DC where the wings were de-iced but it then sat too long on the runway and more ice built up.
That was ice. Not loose snow
Doesn’t matter. 91.527 says you can’t take off with anything on the wings. There are also similar rules for 121 and 135.
This was covered on The Flight Channel, as I remember, the plane was not de-iced. Lived here when that happened!
Palm 90 was never deiced. The pilots “joked” about the heat from the DC9’s exhaust ahead of them melting the contamination.
Yep i recently saw the documentary about that.... some people never learn.
You owe us 2 seconds of aviation
He had a 12 second credit from the last video.
10s, the intro was 8s long.
Are we supposed to never have enough of this comment?
Nah, he's good. Check the channel name again. It's not 3.00 Minutes of Aviation. Or even 3.0 Minutes. Remembering whatever math class where decimals and rounding off were introduced, anything between 2:31 and 3:30 works, as much as we yearn for more.
@@tcsyme ok nerd
That plane taking off with wings full of snow makes me soo mad.People got used to things going well for a few years and skip safety,then a tragedy will happen to remind everyone that there s still danger out there.
Probably Russian.
I don´t think they skipped anything really. After deice the chemicals stay there on the winf forming sort of a layer so in case it snows (not ice, but trully snowflakes) it does not stick to the surface of the plane, instead it slides off. Ofc I have no idea how thick the layer of snow can be before another deice but it´s not that dangerous as it may look like.
That tragedy already happened: Air Florida flight 90
@@Briela65 If the aircraft had been deiced, then it needed doing again as the holdover time had clearly lapsed. It is extremely dangerous and unprofessional to take off with ANY contamination on the wings or tail surfaces and any crew doing so should be fired!
Snow is fine, ice isn't
The poor troops onboard the Mexican helicopter--entrusting their lives to an irresponsible and imprudent pilot.
Judging from the maneuvers that they were able to do, the helo was not weighed down by passengers.
@@mkvv5687 did you not see the 8 pairs of legs hanging out the doors? They had troops seated, hanging out the edges of the passenger cab
That stupid helicopter pilot should get a job at Taco Bell and stay the Hell out of the cockpit before he kills himself and his crew!
As if that’s the dangerous part of their job..
"an irresponsible and imprudent pilot."
I doubt military pilots do things like that for a laugh, or because they just felt like it.
In Mexican Spanish we have a word to describe that Black Hawk pilot: Pendejo!
xd
Great!
In desi/ South Asian Urdu/Hindi: chootiya
Sharmouta
In Germany we say: Vollpfosten
Absolutely ness!! 🤣🤣🤣
That’s one way to go from Air Force to Navy real fast.
whaaaat? You have to be kidding about the Navy or you just think lowly of them😏.
@@samuellp1146he's just making a joke. Most people associate airforce with flying and navy with sea. Thats all it is. He's not trying to disrespect anyone. The reckless pilot of that chopper is the real insult.
@@moshunit96 I know I know you can't tell by my smile? He may be joking but I wanted his response, he could be Airforce because both branches like to kid each other.
@@samuellp1146 - I was army. We have a saying about our Sea Kings. It’s the quickest way to go from air force to Navy. It’s just a joke man. Don’t be so serious.
@@SimRacingVeteran I wasn't so serious, thats what the smile was at the end for.
There's an old Flight Safety poster with a picture of a Seahawk coming to pieces after a stunt like this that says, "When it comes to low passes, the best you can do is tie the record."
That Black Hawk pilot got suuuuuuuuuper lucky.
Not really. He only knocked the strike tips off the rotors.
Imagine being a passenger on that Delta flight. Rocking and rolling like that.
Don’t have a problem with that - correct decision made with clearly continuing unstable approach - no issues at all.
I would have fun to be honest, that bird flies amazingly
I'd be scared until i heard the engines power up for the go-around. Its extremely respectful decisions versus running on ego and trying to land the plane. Gotta thank Kelsie for teaching me that.
@@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe yeah
The worst flight I've ever had was turbulence. It was so bad we had to circle for an hour, and when we were cleared for landing, the pilot pulled back up right before the wheels touched down. I'm sure he did the right thing, but I was fighting back the vomit and didn't think I would last much longer.
2... Delta go-around was just the pilots doing their job properly.
Yep. But then there was that one-eyed Taca pilot who side-slipped a 737 that was out of fuel, and landed perfectly on a grass levee. LEGEND level landing.
I can’t believe that this airbus took off without de ice !
These folks are simply lucky to not slam it at the end of the runway.
If it had been a Boeing, it would have slammed at the end of the runway
@@cplcabsfor sure… 😊.
Boeing needs de ice while Airbus not… it’s very known.
@furtif000 nah, both need to de-ice for sure, just AIRBUS is more forgiving if it doesn't get de-iced.
@@cplcabs Temp was cold enough where no moisture would make it adhere. Do you think they deice the planes leaving Antarctica? Or do you have you private pilot and know it all?
@@josephdale69 this is youtube, everyone knows everything about everything.
Oh, and if the snow wasn't sticking it would have gotten blown off the wing a lot quicker then it did.
Wow! Didn't expect too see that here.
I'm working on that black Hawk.
3 out of the 4 blades were damaged beyond repair, tip caps destroyed and transmission is currently under inspection but seems to be ok
No one was hurt.
You're a UH60 maintainer in the Mexican military?
External contractor. I was hired by the Mexican Air Force to evaluate damage and repair the aircraft
rough figure of what the repair job would cost?
another comment was citing $120-220k cost per each replacement blade alone. accurate or not?
@@armuk in México, closer to 330 350k
Any ideas as to the punishment the pilot faces?
That Airbus A320 clip reminds me of Air Florida flt. 90 and its collision with the 14th st Bridge at Washington National airport in '80 or '81.
the A330 at 1:17.... I've been in turbulence that scared the living shit out of me, and yet I've been in nothing even CLOSE to that bad. I can't even imagine the sensations... then when you see he's going around again i imagine everyone's just telling each other and themselves "we're in the hands of highly trained professionals. Crashes are really really rare" over and over and over again LOL
Good thing I'm just a simple flight instructor and not an FAA inspector, or that no-deice captain and FO would have lost their licenses.
Well, as an FAA inspector you woulnd't have the authority to take away those pilots licences anyways since they seem to be from eastern europe...
you wouldn't have authority to do shit anyways, happened in Europe/Russia.
LMAO - why does the FAA think it has authority to do anything on planes not even registered to an American Airline and outside of our Air Space?
In eastern Europe there is no FAA to stop you😂
@@DCSMustang Correct, however, the FAA evaluates other countries to make sure their Civil Aviation Authority is properly certificating/surveilling their national air carriers. If the FAA sees activity like this, the country will lose their Category I status and their right to fly to/from the US. This can bankrupt the carrier. The program is called FAA IASA: www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/iasa
Lmaoo
wow that blackhawk able to land safely after that is really remarkable
Very well built heli
And a talented pilot people are mad at because he's reckless too.
Yes, I am impressed with the strength of the Blackhawk rotor blades. I was expecting something catastrophic, that the pilot could land without any loss of life or craft is amazing.
@@jaseysyeah he did great just after he messed up big time
"The superior pilot will use their superior judgement to avoid having to use their superior skills"
When I saw that wing full of snow the only thing I could hear was mentour pilot's voice in my head...
Your average Black Hawk helicopter costs about $16 million. One rotor blade carries a price tag of $220,000
Its all good; they get their stuff thru 3rd world aid packages from the US.
It’s ok the cartels got paper.
120k , 220k was for hontech coated blades at least it was 4 years ago
Tell me the name of this airline who doesn't de-ice. So I can avoid it.
I think you're already avoiding this russian airline - Aeroflot.
It wasn't ice, it was just snow which they knew would blow off once they got up to speed...
In my previous airline, no matter the contamination, we always de-ice. It is even the only case where cabin crew should report to the cockpit directly without informing the purser.
@@karaDee2363 that's a fuckup in the making.
@@jiggythibs i fully agree. Same procedures apply at my company. I think it's valid for the most airlines.
He's got a wonderful career ahead of him at Aerosucre.
You can hear the damage to that rotor.
That A320 crew that skipped the de-icing I bet they don’t wait for the tug either, just turn on the reversers and do a power push back from the gate
You immediately had me at Mexican Air Force 😂
Holy crap. What airline was that whose pilots took off with wings full of ice?? Unbelievable.
That's a dusting of snow. Not ice.
Aeroflot.
@@kevintaylor791 Delta
@@cplcabs Maybe if the commentary was in English or Spanish, even French. But the voice in the video was Russian... so... A320, with grey wings, in snow, without deiceing, with Russian passenger...That's one of the Aeroflot A320's that will get scrapped when it is repossessed. Not Delta.
@@cplcabs Delta does not have red wingtip fences like this plane in the video
Love your videos🤩
You will never know your limits until you go beyond them.
2:13 that wasn’t ice, it was snow. The crew had assessed that there was no ice and that the snow would easily slide off. Their decision was validated by the take-off footage.
Those Blackhawk are so tough!
Last time a plane didnt de-ice properly, we got Florida Flight 90.
We need to name and shame both the pilots and the airlines who skip safety protocols.
I was an operator in 7th SFG. I hated the pilots who’d come to support our training outside of the Special Ops pilots. All the others seemed like they had something to prove. A CH47 came to pick us up for an DA training hit with f-ing pine bows stuck in its landing gear. He hit a tree approaching a three story building we were about to fast rope onto and f**ked up the entire hit. Oh, and almost crashed. Just one of many, many incidents flying in helicopters. I got nothing thrilling out of them like some did. As soon as we got up I couldn’t wait to get down again.
Yes, better than the incoming projectile alarms. Pilots losing 350ft per second doing rolls, flares out. Ah, Kirkuk Iraq patrol nights. That was my last helo ride voluntary as it's medic. I shit myself twice, said this is it, here we go.
@@medicchester “If you’re going to be one you might as well be a Big Red 1” And, I can appreciate that but still, fuck that. 😁
It's difficult to tell with the low video quality, but it looks almost like the A320 with snow had type IV fluid onto which the snow had fallen. It's supposed to absorb the snow and slough off during takeoff, leaving a clean wing. But even if it had been coated with type IV fluid, it had definitely built up too much snow for a safe departure at that point. But it's hard to tell for sure if I saw any green (the type IV fluid), so I'm not sure.
Great going MR. Blackhawk 👍😎
my good friend was on that A333, he texted me and said, i hope a video comes out of that landing, it was WILD.
Haven’t seen you in a while. I hope u are doing well. 👍
He was driving on the A333? That is a road.
@@martinda7446 if that’s an attempt at a joke….don’t give up your day job.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I am :)
I've been medically retired from HEMS, had to refocus on IT Now.
@@martinda7446 say whut?
sir, put down the flask and the paper.
I dont know many recent incidents are shocking on how pilots are starting to become a little less careful. Skipping de- icing, the rotor strike, in India keeping drinks over the flight instruments. Its all just shocking
Trust me, it's not only India where they have drinks in the cockpit. Coffee is a substance I regularly see ingressed into the instruments I service. It rarely leads to significant failures though (some instrument-manufacturers have learned to put gaskets between basically everything to keep the insides from getting contaminated), it just gets too a messy residu.
There's one major difference between instruments from Asian-airlines (or sparelines) and others: they are always, by far, the most dirty, sticky and what not instruments you will get because of all the sweet stuff the crew eats (when my dad worked in major overhaul for a short time, the planes that serviced the Asian regions the most were notorious and feared because of all the dried dates and other fruits that would be spilled by passengers by accident and end up between seats, the rails the seats were fixed in and even underneath the carpets on the floor.
Sticky fingers would usually make the armrests and other parts crew and passengers would regularly touch, a nightmare as well.
We know that a few of the instruments we service are in such a location on the plane that they can hold a standard paper coffee-cup in place very well, within excellent reach of the crew. Unfortunately also the reason why those instruments usually have the worst dried-up coffee on/in them.
In some locations where its very cold they know the snow is powdered, can accumulate quickly and deicing isn't necessary. But I still don't fancy flying like that.
Rubbish, I’m afraid!!!Legal requirement of any Company Ops Manual.
Doesn't matter if you're flying in the FAA jurisdiction. No plane can operate with frost, ice or snow on the wings or control surfaces. Not sure what the rules are in other countries.
Powder snow would have blown off a whole lot sooner than that. What you are seeing is highly irresponsible behaviour that should have meant the crew had just operated their last flight.
Get your informed and educated comment out of here.
@@dreameroftheday.8381 Those research crews in Antartica wait to get de-iced before taking off.
always amazing footage....
Helicopter: "Whaapooow"
Sea: "Ooo do it again big boy"
I would have freaked out if I saw that much ice on the wing during the takeoff roll.
I’d have been tempted to punch the captain as I deplaned at the end of the flight.
I’d have seen it whilst approaching the aircraft, enquired and it at the door and anything less than “we’re going to deice it before we leave” would have had me noping on out of there.
There was none.
Skipping de-iceing is playing with the lives of all the passengers!
insane they took off with all that snow/ice on the wing
It's just light powder snow. Pretty sure ground crew took a look to make sure.
@@haitolawrence5986 "pretty sure....", sure enough to bet your life on it? I can tell you for sure that no US 121 or 135 air carrier has a deicing program that would allow for such operations. I am an FAA Aviation Safety Inspector and perform accident investigations.
@@haitolawrence5986 it didn't come off even as the airplane rotated. that wasnt powder and they were at fault.,
Great work on the last one stating that contaminated wing surfaces has led to accidents in the past.
I was about to post something along the lines as well. You always de-ice. They were just trying to save some time.
Great video as always
Not de-icing scares me. I remember watching the plane in the Potomac River on the news though they forgot flaps as well.
2:14 A dangerous decision by the crew.
I worked at Sikorsky 40 years ago and saw the damage from hitting a seagull. It sheared 2 feet from one blade, then less on two others. It was able to land.
Was the seagull ok?
@@loadapish Atomized
That pilot is the same person that drives around the day after a snow storm with a tiny hole of snow brushed off of his windshield.
To all the NON PILOTS below warbling on about how dangerous it is to have flown with snow on the wings....I am ground staff at a major international and it is completely normal to depart with snow...NOT ice but snow. Ice comes from frozen rain and doesn't come off whereas light snow just blows away. Thats why you've all heard of de-icing machines but you've never heard of a de-snowing machine...stop berating the pilot/ariline for something you know nothing about.
100% correct...
Dudes still hanging their legs out the cabin like nothing happened
Wow! The last one! Is that even allowed????
Not in the US it isn’t.
It is unlawful (in the US) to attempt to fly a plane with ice or frost on any part of the wing surface except underneath near the fuselage. That should be a license suspension if not revocation since there were passengers onboard
That’s not true. Most just always spray everything now for liability. Look up the 737 and see what the big black outline on top of the wing is for.
Laws are made for the lowest common denominator…just because it’s unlawful doesn’t make it unsafe. 😂
Except they would have de iced and sat waiting for clearance for twenty mins... You would de ice again? then again? then again? If these were Aeroflot pilots they fly in minus 50C all year round and know icing better than the rest of the world bar none.
It doesn’t matter how long they wait. Deicing isn’t a one and done process. You get deiced as many times as necessary to take off with a clean wing or you cancel the flight.
@@martinda7446 Apparently on the original video there are also many aeroflot pilots expressing shock and disgust. I don't speak russian so this is just what I heard. What you're doing is just assuming every single pilot is attentive, safety conscious and diligent and must have done everything correctly and to procedure despite the fact that there are endless examples of crashes caused by just the opposite.
@@martinda7446 de-icing doesn't just remove what's there, it also prevents the build up of more. I would not feel safe on any plane that even rolled onto the runway with that much snow. Planes that size also have anti-ice systems that help keep build up to a minimum. That's why they can fly though clouds at 300 and not fall out of the sky
The helicopter pilot shows how much fun you can have showing off in someone else's multi million dollar aircraft.
No no no. Skip de-icing needs to mean loss of licence and end of career. Go join your brother at the bakeshop in Topeka.
As a pilot, had I been sitting by the window as I usually do and knew that we hadn't de-iced, I probably would've been $hitting a brick. It's good ADM to eliminate the 'what if' scenario, always. Then again, I'm not a glorified bus driver in a crunch for time either.
They would have de iced. I guarantee it. They may have waited for half an hour for clearance. These guys fly in minus 50C all year round and know the conditions better than anyone else on earth. If they had decided to de ice again - for no reason - they would have been in the same position again half an hour later...etc repeat...
Beyond half an hour it gets dicier...depending on precipitation. That might have been ten minutes after de ice..
@@martinda7446 Deicing holdover time is almost non existant. If it was snowing hard, they would have applied anti-ice fluid. The anti-ice fluid almost absorbs the snow. A responsible airline would not allow departure with that amount of accumulation.
As a pilot (GA, granted), if I had seen that I'm busting out the escape door and biking wherever I need to go.
@@martinda7446 nope sorry. This was unacceptable. I’ve flown in extreme cold weather too. Nobody in their right mind would take off like that.
After watching Air Crash investigations about ice on the wing I would have insisted on getting off. No doubt about it.
Jumping off a moving plane would be difficult.
As reckless as it was, being able to land the helicopter with the damaged rotors was still impressive.
He'll make a great pilot in whatever third-world air force he ends up in!
It was reckless but badass that definitely takes some skill
He should get a job at Taco Bell and stay the Hell out of the cockpit before he kills himself and his crew!
@@jayderwin1 Kinda pilot you want, flying as close to the limit as possible in wartime.
Was it an actual emergency landing ?
Looks like a regular landing pad with the wind sock near by.
He's an idiot. I just hope it's not the norm in Mexican air force.
Does anyone know which airline was in the last part? I need to blacklist them just in case (even if I probably won't flying to their operation area).
The helicopter location looks like it would make a great Battlefield map. 😅
Nice work! Only one complaint, need more videos!!
He needs to pay the bill for the repair
3 minutes each time that reenforces my good decision to never get on a plane.
Don't feel that way. What you see here are the exceptions caught by countless cameras. 99.9% of the time, it's just routine. I flew with the US Air Force for a number of years and was never in a danger situation. They train their pilots well.
Flying in a commercial airliner is still statistically much safer than riding in a car.
Nah, I'm alright controlling my own destiny. I will not give 100% trust in anyone to keep me safe. And that's what flying is. Putting your life in the hands of a stranger. And in the next decade, DEI will make it even more risky.
@@bertblue9683 Getting hit by another driver is not putting your life in the hands of a stranger?...
"Putting your life in the hands of a stranger." - Humanity in a nutshell. We can't absorb statistics. It's proved with statistics that a higher chance of dying in car than in plain. It's a fact. You still feel the car safer because you have more control. Control over what? The wheel? What about road conditions, extreme weather, your car's condition, and the few million drivers whom you come across driving DUI, underage, angry, often gunned?
FAA 14 CFR § 91.527 Operating in icing conditions.
(a) No pilot may take off an airplane that has frost, ice, or snow adhering to any propeller, windshield, stabilizing or control surface; to a powerplant installation; or to an airspeed, altimeter, rate of climb, or flight attitude instrument system or wing, except that takeoffs may be made with frost under the wing in the area of the fuel tanks if authorized by the FAA.
Wow!! The Delta plane rocking ‘n rolling. Dang!!
Rotor strike or not, that was still pretty sick
The last one was quite risky. Even if it’s just snow it changes the shape and the camber of the wing, leading to reduced lift. That’s quite the risk to take, especially when as the pilot you cannot see the wing without looking back during takeoff.
Even if they look back, they still can't see the wings. They have to walk down the aisle and look out a side window to see the wings.
@@e-curb You can see the topside of the wings, but not with much detail. Trust me I have been in the industry for 25 years, I know a thing or two about the cockpit
And that concludes helicopter water rescue training for today
All he's got to do is pay his C.O. $500.00 and he's back in business.
Skip de-icing. Doesn't really seem like something you want to leave to "chance" that it's going to work out.
I noticed that you didn't mention the name of the airline that foolishly didn't de-ice before take-off. Hope they were disciplined for it.
Never skip de-icing 😮!!
1st one, yes, pull that guy's ticket, he is lucky they walked away from that.
2nd one, can't see any problem there, real gusty, wind shear, approach became unstabilised, and pilot made the right decision to go around. No biggie.
4th one, that was just downright stupid, I would have stopped the flight before lining up, said I want to get off please.
A friend did some back country skiing by Helicopter once upon a time. On the 2nd run of the day the pilot clipped a snow bank, right at touchdown, on the edge of a mountain. He almost made it out the door with his gear, but then falling backwards down the mountain, as the helicopter rolled backwards off the edge. The pilot caught it and got them back down. Chopper was missing about a foot off of one blade. Thanks for the vid 3A.
Fun Fact: this video feels much longer than 3 minutes.
As a professional pilot, with artic training in the military, I think the A320 crew are bordering on the grossly negligent and I'd like to see where the company ops manual makes it possible to depart with ice and snow on the wings .🤬
Damn right
Actually, they fully crossed the border into “grossly negligent and should have been fired” territory.
Does heavy snowfall immediately after de-icing during taxi and holding stick in certain temperatures?
@@Chris11249 Because aircraft store fuel in the wings they become very cold and heavy snow can stick to the wings so if an aircraft is delayed for some time it should go back and de-ice, but most airlines would forbid taxing in "heavy snow".
@@alanwright3172 Thanks I know very little about cold weather ops
You owe us 1 second of aviation
The pilots who decided to take off without de-icing, with all this snow on the wings, should all be fired.
that Mexican pilot in the Blackhawk must have gotten into some of the stuff he was smuggling lol
2:24 I just wonder how these pilots got their Licenses
They probably just skipped their exams the same they skip SOP and de-icing.
As soon as I saw "Mexican Air Force Pilot" I knew it was going to be a major screw up.
si we fly 🪰 😂😂😂
Do stereotypes much?
@@bud3442 virtually every video I se with pilots doing stupid shit...are all in spanish...so there's that.
@@gtc1961 Sorry, forgot Spanish equals Mexican.
@@bud3442 Look at the lion share of the videos where pilots are flying like assholes..all spanish...they speak Spanish in Mexico so, yeah, there is a good chance it was predictable.
I am genuinely shocked that Blackhawk didn't go down in the water. So much for the Mythbuster myth of "a single sticker could unbalance the rotor enough to cause a catastrophic failure."
Well, there is a thing in helicopters that is called terminal resonance, which can wreck the complete structure if it occurs and the pilot does not take immediate action when he senses the first problems. Probably the most important thing in this case is that most likely multiple blades got damaged, evening the imbalance. They rotate so fast it's nearly impossible to damage just 1 blade.
The Mythbusters busted that myth.
@2:17
That should've been reported.
0:45 he has passengers with feet hanging out. What fun!
I'm always impressed at the control pilots have to have in those very sheer cross wind situations like the Delta flight. It also makes me really want to make sure that standards are kept tight for commercial pilots. It's likely that most flights are very routine, but in those cases where it is not routine, they need to be on top of their game for the sake of everyone on board.
That's Aeroflot's normal deice procedure.
No It isn't. Having flown in Russia and it being -70 after a two minute climb they do a thorough de ice always.
more likely Delta
@@martinda7446 you know that two minutes into the flight is two minutes too late to deice the plane right?
the a320 pilots with the de-icing did an extremely stupid thing
If if was actually ice, attached firmly to the wings, parasite drag could've been a lot and they could've even been unable to take off but realize too late. Disasters happened because of that
I'm sure it was just fresh recent powder snow from like 1 hour before take off, they're not insane..
@@Veldtian1 Doesn't matter if you're flying in the FAA jurisdiction. No plane can operate with frost, ice or snow on the wings or control surfaces. Not sure what the rules are in other countries.
I choose to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they knew it was fresh powdered snow rather than ice.
@@mikoto7693 powdered snow would have blown off well before the plane took off. You can see snow still on the plane as it leaves the ground. it's not powder.
1:17 - 1:43 - When you are “WIGGLIN AND JIGGLIN” like that “ON-APPROACH”??
You better go around son; you better go around……..
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Your videos are the best, then there's the rest. 💁🏼♂️
Really? 😆😆
I wanna be a pilot when I grow up. It does not seem like the requirements are too high. It seems a lot less smarts than long division is required. But I did pass long division. I got a C-!
OMG I would have been so pissed if I was on that A320. I work in airport operations, so I have a great amount of respect for flight crew, but I can promise you I would have gotten myself kicked off that plane.
Ah the sound of major rotor imbalance.
0:45 I swear I can hear the rhythmic imbalance from that rotor damage.
At that speed a blade hitting water would be similar to hitting rock. Any adult should know that.
That’s remarkable that anyone would risk their crew’s life to show off.
You've never met a military pilot, eh?