Sail Life - Downwind setup for 2700 mile passage ⛵️ Atlantic crossing 2023 ⛵️
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In this video, we go over our downwind setup and we find gold under the v-berth in the shape of an old but serviceable spinnaker.
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Athena left the marina a few hours ago. The Atlantic passage has begun !!
Release the kraken!
3.8kn / 241°
Is this the dry run for the wing-on-wing, or the whole enchilada?
@@HugoHugunin Via a message on Patreon, the official journey is now active.😊
Watching on Marine Traffic?
I was just going to ask - when is the planned Atlantic crossing supposed to begin, so they’ve left now? Great. Fair winds
Any project I do requires three trips to the store. One to get what I need, one to get what I forgot and one to get what I broke.
You might want to attach a safety line to your fishing rod before placing it in the holder, especially if the fish you hook decides to take off before you can gab the rod.
It can’t pull out as it will be at 90º to the holder. However a secure line is essential in case you drop it overboard. Bits do rattle free though, I like to have the reel inboard of the gunnel.
Love the logo Ava, but I'm really surprised Mads let you off without a six part mini-series of filling, sanding, filling, sanding, filling, sanding, then painting, and rebuilding the wall with vacuum infusion 😀
Happy sailing!!
During your test sail, you should try to drop the double-jib setup while sailing. There may come a day in the middle of the Atlantic where your furler doesn’t work for some reason, and you should make sure that dropping two jibs at once will not be too unmanageable (my guess is that it may be). Often times what people will do is hoist the second jib on a spinnaker halyard so you can drop each jib independently and methodically… that’s if you don’t have a second jib halyard, which maybe is more of a race boat thing.
Also, if you don’t have a solution for your second cleat on the mast, you maybe want to switch the one you just installed so it stops the car on the mast from falling, rather than making it on the side that holds the car downwards. On that same point, I think you likely DO NOT want an enclosed cleat like you purchased, as it’s going to annoy the crap out of you as the line keeps falling into the cleat and locking off. The best kind of cleat for that purpose is a Cam Cleat so that the line will not accidentally fall back into the cleat while you’re trying to work with the pole.
Last note, on your test sail day, pole out your staysail to one side (or put it on the leeward side if the pole is too long) and pole out your jib on the other… you may find that’s an easier sail plan to work with than using two full jibs on the furler.
Best of luck on the test sail! Last-last note: practice dousing the spinnaker without using the sock. Socks are nice, but when they malfunction, which happens from time to time at the worst time, you want to know how to get that sail down without the sock (research how to do a letterbox drop).
Prepare for managing chafe on the sheets to the headsails where they pass through the poles. Some people use protectors but they too get worn or move around. Extra length on the sheets allow you to cut off the chafed section and keep using the sheet. Some spares are a goo idea too. Ropes to stop the poles moving (up/down/fore/aft) helps stabilise the headsails and allows you to leave the poles up when you furl up the headsails, very handy when the wind is strong. Wrestling with poles is best done when you can choose, not under more challenging conditions.
As someone else pointed out that "gel" is called Naval Jelly in the US. Naval Jelly is an acid, you need to to wash/rinse it off. I had one of those plastic bottles split while stored in a tool chest. I discovered the leak when it burned it's way through 2 drawers, the chest bottom and hit the floor where it was visible without opening the drawers. If you are going to keep some on the boat keep it in something acid proof or given time it may just eat its way to the sea.
Yikes! Sounds like its xenomorph blood
I don't k iw how.long it took to eat it's eay through the drawers and chest bottom. I hadn't opened that tool chest In quite some time. All I'm saying is that stuff is an acid, treat it as such or you may learn the hard/expensive way, like I did.
Have a safe crossing, and keep an eye on the furling line as you now require twice the force to reef those headsails! I wish you both a great voyage
Better add a retaining clip line to that rod holder unless you want to lose the rod to a heavy strike. Athena is looking good, best of luck on your crossing!
That must have been fantastic for Matz his OCD polishing out those rust spots.
Happy (Early) Birthday, Mads!! Safe passage for you and Ava!!
Two halyards for the headsails will make life much better when the halyard breaks or you get a headwind & need to take down one of the sails. Believe me, I have had headwinds many a time doing crossings. Happy rolling.
You don’t need to take one off. It just goes on top of the other one.
@@keithb6717 just pulling both down at once.
@@CaptMarkSVAlcina
You can go to weather with one sail atop the other. It’s not necessary to take them down.
The halyard attaches to the roller reefing bearing, not to the headsail. If you were to add a halyard direct to the headsail it would wrap round the forestay when reefing. Hence only one halyard (to the furler bearing) hence need to raise/lower both headsails at the same time.
There is a way round this. Add a block where the headsail attaches to the upper furler bearing and use that to raise/lower the second headsail. This has to be done from the bow of the boat so not ideal.
Great logo painting on the wall.
07:00, GMT/UTC on 05 Feb, and I see you guys are approaching the Cape Verde Islands - about 20 NM out. About a week's journey to there from the Canary Islands and almost 900 NM in total. How'd it go?? :)
Cheers, Sev
Went to harbour today to leave a present to Mads & Ava. As they told that would be testing rigs and sails. Sadly I noticed that they leave the island. What a pity. Well, hope to meet them next time.
Just a little comment to help you with the youtube algorithms.
Thank you.
Scott
G'day Mas, with your Asymetric spinnaker the sock pulley on the web does not attach to the halyard it just tucks into the sock, the halyard attaches to the spinnaker head . The only load on that pulley block is the sock control line either raising the sock or lowering the sock, hope this helps
cheers
Ava, you are such a cool kid!
Don't know if the geometry lines up, but if it becomes hard to reef the headsails by hand maybe you can loop the reefing line around the usual winch and bring it up to your powered winch on the cabin top.
Great video again. I loved the Sail Life logo on the wall. It looks really great. I also really loved the detailed explanation of the new downwind set up . Thank you for shairng these guys! I really relate to what Mads was saying about enjoying a basically mindless task (polishing stainless) and enjoying the chance to drift away inside your head
Hi Mas you could have drilled out your smallest rivet die as you can always go up to the next size rather than the smallest
You can pack out the inaccessible space on the stubborn cleat with small nuts and a washer next to the rivet gun. Been there....
Cam cleats with a captured line could work on the mast for the pole. Mine works great that way.
Hi, nice to see your still closing your jobs to do ,never ending task but keeps one amused . Take care and have fun and yes see you both next time.😀👍👍
Place several of the barrels from other rivets onto the shaft of the rivets you are installing and that should help pull it through.
I suggest you make a lanyard for each fishing pole you plan to troll with. Otherwise you may see your investment disappearing from view.
I was just at Santa Cruz marina in Tenerife last week… lo and behold there was Athena. Did not get to see Mads but I do have video of some dude snooping on Athena!
That's a shame! I would have loved to say hi :)
The one item i have not seen in your videos is a safety line running from the cockpit to bow on port or starboard. As it's only two of you i would recommend it for safety. love the updates and have a great Sunday. see you folks on next Sunday's video
A safety line is okay when you have more than one on watch, if you are alone & go overboard you will be dragged along & drown.
They have it, would have to go way back to find the video they mention it.
That’s called a ‘jackline’.
If the jackline is down the centre of the boat and your line is the correct length you cant go overboard
@@Baddco
So you’re saying that you have no experience
Nice work.
Great progress guys in both your sailing adventures and in spiffy boatness but Mads.... you need to remain true to your DIY roots and get some Carhartt dungarees shorts...they are available 😀
Mads cleans the wall before placing graffiti on it. Of course he does. 😂. Fair winds!
I'm so impressed with how far you guys have come. We've been watching since your early days. We have learned a lot from you Mads.
We are using what we learned on our DIY project sailboat. Hopefully, someday, our paths will cross.
Take care, and I am always looking forward to your next video.
Great painting luv. An great sails as well as all the other things you've done. You 2 make a great team... Thanks for sharing your lives with us grateful ✌🏼💗😊⛵
Very safety sailing to you. Good wind and good cafe=happy sailing
Have fun guys. Safe sail.
You can put a small nut over the pin of the rivet to act as a spacer. So long as it is pushing down on enough of the surface of the rivet it will work fine
For the stainless, use Spotless Stainless. It doesn't get any better or easier. Brush on, wait 20 minutes, wash off and do a light waxing.
There's a similar rock wall up in one of the Alaskan ports (Fairbanks?) all up and down a natural rock cliff face.
A ‘rigging doctor’ advised me not to use the double head sails as you’re showing… It does look like a good idea, but it implies a hell of square footage to manage if/when the weather gets rough! And you’ve experienced it: it’s quite difficult to set up (and set down), even more underway. Be very cautious when using this setup!
I believe the ratio benefits/risks isn’t good enough, especially when you have two head stay furlers as you do.
(I realize this comment may come as you are already in the middle of the pond!… but sure would be glad to have a feedback on your tests)
Wishing you fare winds and enjoyable seas 😊
SV Sagamore
who was that guy with the shorts on?
Hey - the shorts matched his shoes!
Hey Mads if you are ever in a place where you can not find a replacement for your charcoal filter
there is a DIY tmp fix. dissolve about a quarter cup of salt in a container of warm water large enough to submerge your
filter. Let it soak for 2 hours. Rinse the filter in fresh water thoroughly. Put it back in your filter housing and let water run a bit to rinse it out. This also works for your BRITA water pitcher filter.
OSPHO sold by the gallon in the US and Caribbean is also great for clearing rust from stainless.
I’m excited for you! Fair winds ❤
Mads &Ava be Safe in your Sail to America I will be Saying prayers for you Two. Mads please put the Rod Holder in the Back of the Sailboat ⛵ that where you want to Land your Catch , it be easier to reel in Catch. Make sure you have a Graf Hook 🪝 Peace be With You Two.
Oh I love this channel, You 2 are so talented and make a wonderful couple. Cheers from beautiful East Lansing Michigan!
“Out Mads, Mads…” love it…
brilliant as ever keep it up
You have come a long way from the beginning of rebuilding Athena. Good luck on your voyage. You are a perfectionist. I think based on my limited offshore sailing is you have too much to put together on deck when under way in a rough sea. I thought I could deploy a whisker pole but once the seas are 5-6 feet it’s scary on deck even with precautions like jack lines.
You guys are great to watch very entertaining, can I just say "when changing the water filter, it is a good idea to put a small label on the filter housing with the date on it so you can change
the cartridge every 12 months as recommended on most filters. You have a fantastic boat and I hope you are proud of the boat you two have built.
Such a beautiful and creative couple. Congratulations.
my brother always said cut the grass or polish the brass u decide
Thank you two for the Sunday video. Hope the weather cooperates for the downwind sail test. Polishing and sanding; there has to be a world that covers both. Maybe 'polishanding'? Take care and have a great week.
another great video, lots of good content. We look forward to seeing your twin headsail set up in operation.
Passivate - make (a metal or other substance) unreactive by altering the surface layer or coating the surface with a thin inert layer
Mads, learned a new word today.. Thanks !!
Hi You friends! I only wan't to remind that You should use monel-rivets (You forgot to say), when fitting things to mast and other aluminium doohickies. Good Luck! from Finland
That gel we called Naval Jelly when I was in the Army. They used it for their toast we used it for rust removal. Worked really well.
Love it, Mads in shorts! I love your channel.
The Graffiti 😘👌 Nice job. great update 2x👍
The asymmetric (genneker) is my favourite sail,120 - 170° and you're flying, it's much more efficient than the double header and the dynamics should make the boat more stable and rock solid and you'll easily beat the true wind speed - main sheet right to the back of the boat for the best control line and sail shape - foot under tension. Fingers crossed. Great videos you two.
Only ever seen and used cam cleats for pole management. Nice choice of pole! I wish I had Selden instead of the one made of unobtainium.
Mads has legs, who’d have thought it eh 😂…. Fair winds and calm seas 👍🏻
I discourage the tack strap. Second reason is that it can be hard on the foil. The more important reason is that with a tack line led back to the cockpit, after hauling the asymmetric spinnaker up with the tack line short, you can ease the tack line and get some rotation to windward and increase projected area (if you have the main up) and importantly reduce rolling by moving the CE of the sail closer to center. With that rig and autopilot in wind vane mode I've had up to four days between Falmouth and Horta without touching a thing.
Another great video Ava and Mads .
Fair winds and following seas!
Happy crossing! 🎉
I was hoping for the new cookingsegment ”cooking with Ava” this week. Loved the last one!
2 Head sails on one furler and halyard, reef early. Have a safe trip.
Safe crossing Ava and Mads. Btw, I noticed you were guiding the genoa by hand while hoisting. I think perhaps you need a luff feeder? Makes the process so much easier. Love your channel.
Bon voyage,fair winds and following seas .
The thought of part furling not one but two genoas, brings tears to my eyea. Stretching not one but two leaches at once. Then last curling the main to go for the hatrick. The difference between now a cruiser thinks compared to a racer.
Good luck on your travels
It's neat but we used to just run up the spinnaker. Or just run the foresail all the way out and un reefed. Your setup should work well. Interesting too.
You two rock
Wonderful of you guys to share this adventure with us. Fair winds! If your Starlink will connect. I look forward to updates on how things are progressing. Travel with eyes wide open! We here in Victoria are following you two with great expectation of wonderous sights.
Fair winds and following seas, my friends!
See you👍🏽
@6:44 I see Sailing Bacchus Home! Miss that NZ crew!
You definitely want a lanyard on the fishing rod, make it long enough so you can fight a fish without having to remove it.
Modify the jam cleat with a fair lead to look like the other one, then it’s easy to rivet it on.
Good luck with the test sail
Bon voyage!
What you need to do for your fishing rod and reel. is to attach a lanyard to your fishing reel so you don`t loose it overboard if you get a good size fish on. plus it acts like a safety harness and to attach your rod holder to the back of the boat. as when sailing your line will drift to the back of the boat
Try that gell rust remover on that sail sock that had rust on it.
Since neither of the old jam cleats had 'line keepers', just take a hacksaw and cut the end of the problem cleat to match the profile of the other new one. A bit of fine sandpaper and acetone should make the 'fix' invisible...
Look at the history of Bristol pilot cutters. You will learn a lot!!!!!
Mads, I know wing on wing is a pleasure for the lazy sailor, but years ago the arguably qualified folks at North Sails went over the math of gybing downwind versus wing on wing. In the open ocean you don't have to gybe very often. But the speed you gain adds up.
I don't know why all the often self-taught youtubers go wing on wing, and yes I have been on one boat that broke the rule, but I would suggest talking to Precision, and talking to some racers (sacrilege, yes, until you need to move fast) and compare gybing versus wing on wing. With your new sails, and a whole ocean to play with, and all the electronics to do it objectively.
I think North converted almost everyone they spoke to--and that a "how to win" not a sales seminar.
It depends on many things. It is not the same for every boat. Also it depends on whether you are willing to motor or motor sail, also. If you have a heavy displacement boat and you can sail at hull speed dead downwind, there is not much point in reaching. Likewise, if there is 6 knots of wind and your destination is dead downwind, you will go faster if you motor instead of jybing back and forth. Fully crewed raceboats will reach with a spinnaker and get better VMG than they would dead downwind with a whisker pole. But that is hard work. And if they don't fly the spinnaker they may be better off dead downwind.
@@mckenziekeith7434 Motoring on an Atlantic crossing is probably not a very sensible thing to do. Also, going dead downwind and the fact that you have sails tacked on both sides at the same time is actually quite uncomfortable because of the rocking it causes. That's is why I would always prefer to head a bit off course to make the sails work better.
@@sleepyjesus7265 Why would motoring not be sensible on an Atlantic crossing? Athena carries a decent amount of fuel. Most cruising sailors can motor at 5 knots for a couple days, some much more than that. It is very common for cruisers to motor when the wind is light. Of course you can't motor all the way across the Atlantic in a small sailboat. But you might be able to motor for a few hundred nautical miles. It is true that wing-on-wing is rolly. But you need to sail at like 130 apparent to keep a conventional jib full. If your destination lies at 180 (dead down wind) then sailing at 130 is a pretty serious detour. Only worth it if you can maintain more speed. As I said in my first post, it is sometimes much better to sail dead down wind than head up and reach. But the comfort issue is real for sure.
@@mckenziekeith7434 I guess motoring can be decently justifiable for a short period of time to find some wind, but you can't rely on it very much on a 3-4 week passage. You don't need to sail at 130 apparent because the jib doesn't do much anyway. If you don't have a spinnaker/gennaker the mainsail does most of the work up until you are close to beam reaching. But, the mainsail works much better when not quite dead down wind.
@@sleepyjesus7265 so now instead of wing-on-wing you are saying they should sail what, 150-160 apparent with main only? I think the boat would sail faster at 160 apparent with two jibs vs main only. I think rolling is more of a problem going dead down wind for sure, though. Reaching pretty much always helps stabilize the boat a bit.
"The local boat accessory pusher"..... yeah that is about right. I avoid the Chandlery like the plague. The marine tax is alive and real.
I've not seen that two headsail downwind setup used much, but I can point out some reasons why it's not ideal: 1) You can't see ahead, because the sails block your vision. 2) Either of the two sails is always blocked by the mainsail making it almost redundant or at least very inefficient.
I'm not sure, but I assume a poled out headsail and a main would be plenty more powerful sail setup compared to just two headsails. My preference would be not to go directly downwind unless there's no choice. Gybing every couple hours isn't that much work.
Mads, way back when I recommend that you use “Shark Hide” on all of your metal. If you had it you wouldn’t have the rusting issue today.
Kirsten Neuschäfer is using two headsails on one furler for the Golden Globe race that is going on right now. (She's in second place right now, btw)
Good video
Name on the wall..... you did an awesome job........ isn't that called 'dam spiffy"....... Goodluck from a Dutch follower .
Hope the "melon express" has fair winds and happy sailing.
AutoSol and toothbrush for weld areas
A rivet nut in the mast should work for the cleat.
Wax, use wax everywhere you see rust popping again and again and use wax on the wood. Yes, it's a bit annoying to service, but it lasts and it works.
The tiny shackle at 11:21 ... wth is even that :D
7:35 I think you meant "Nip it in the bud"?
You could have used some small nuts too use as a spacer for the rivet tool.
Hej Mads. Du kan stable nogle møtrikker på pop nitten for at give afstand