Fun fact about this episode is that it was written by Rona Munro who wrote the last ever Classic Who story Survival meaning 28 years between her first story and this and she is currently the only writer to have written for both Classic and NuWho
She is also known as the one who "killed" original Who with Survival, bringing her back was a nice touch... But not really a good decision to give her whole episode on her own, cause Eaters of Light was goddamn awful.
@@thedoctorgeneric5007 for every comment expressing an opinion, there will always be that one guy in the replies that says that opinion is wrong. It's subjective.
Every single time I see a comment on Blind Wave by “theDoctorGeneric” you’re always being an asshole and shitting on people for liking episodes. All you do is bitch. I’m not even convinced you like Doctor Who. Not everyone is a bitter douchebag like you. Let people enjoy things.
Whoever wrote this episode has NO historical knowledge whatsoever. The barbarians that are supposed to be here historically were WAY more bloodthristy and brutal than romans. You can't just put modern people with modern mentality in some old clothing and call them "barbarians".
Regarding Eric's question: Yes, there absolutely would have been black Romans, even black legionnaires. At its peak the Roman Empire pretty much encapsulated all the shores of the Mediterranean Sea, so that includes most of North Africa, not to mention the Egyptian heartland and most of the Middle East. While immigration into the Roman territories in Africa from further South was rare, it wasn't impossible, and Roman society didn't really have any kind of officially mandated racial policy that would preclude black people from citizenship or service in the military. It was still very rare though, so statistically it's not very likely that, in a group of like 7 Roman survivors, two of them would be black, but it's definitely not impossible either. Though having said that, I wouldn't want to make it sound like everything about the Romans in this episode is 100% truthful. The most obvious fuck up is that the survivors are all supposed to be Centurions, even though the oldest one among them is only 18. A centurion was a very senior ranking officer in the legion, and it would be EXTREMELY rare to be promoted to it before the age of at least 30 (which was, I believe, the official minimum age requirement, though occasional exceptions were not impossible). One 18 year old centurion would be very unusual, but 7 of them at once makes no sense at all, these guys would basically be the command staff of the entire Ninth legion. No idea why they decided to make them all Centurions, except maybe that they wanted to use the cool helmet with the plumes on top. Also, while the moment where the Romans just casually accept Bill's sexuality and imply that most ordinary Romans are bisexual is sweet, it's also not really true. While it's true that Roman society generally didn't judge people on their sexuality, that's only because they didn't even really have a concept of "sexual orientation", and simply judged people by their actual role in a sexual encounter. In ancient Rome, it wasn't really a question of gay or straight but a question of penetrator or penetrated, and it was expected that proper Roman men would be sexually dominant, ie, penetrators. They didn't didn't really care who you went to bed with, they just cared that you weren't the "submissive" one when you did it, because that was considered weak and improper. That uh... Was probably more of a summary than was necessary honestly but oh well lol, gotta use that miscellaneous knowledge somehow lmao
BUT the reason for having a black Roman soldier was NOT out of reverence for history. It was out of the need to be SJW TV activists. To shoehorn in POC whenever possible even if it doesnt fit. This is waterboarding of the public to accept the view of the progressive sjw. We all know its bad to not hire POC, but hire them for parts that they fit. If its right to place the wrong race anywhere, then I suggest we change Madea to Kevin James in a dress add a cpl Asians, some Mexicans and if the normally all black cast complains, call them filthy racists 🤣
the thing about men for pleasure women for procreation is definitely more of a Spartan thing as women in general were seen as weak and so despised that they preferred the company of other men, though of course they did still take wives and women actually had a lot more freedom during that time compared to say the Greek women but yeah women were generally just used for making babies sometimes older spartans would even let other young men sleep with their wives if they thought it would lead to a higher chance of impregnation
Yes, there were black Romans. There’s a lot of evidence regarding the spread of people throughout the Empire, including from the continent/Middle East/Africa to the British Isles
Black Roman soldiers, most likely as they could have joined from any country within the Empire. They discovered through DNA the remains of a black Roman at Hadrian's Wall. If you think about it one country (Italy) could sustain the amount of armies and soldiers required to keep the Empire the size it was, ok it did shrink eventually but it wasn't sudden.
Prepare to get a lot of views next 2 weeks. World enough and time and The doctor falls are the best 2 parts of Doctor Who and my favorite season finale.
Ratiu Victor Those two plus Twice Upon a Time are some of my favorite moments of Doctor Who. I loved our first Multi-Master story on-screen. It was amazing.
I just love series 10. Even the fill out episodes are so well written. And it was so nice of them to invite Rona Munro, who wrote the last story for old Who 1989, to write an episode for the new Who era. Would love to have more episodes written by Rona. Very nice to watch. A solid 7/10 from me.
It might have been Moffat’s usual self deprecating thing, but he said he was surprised she returned his call. She’s a very respected, award winning playwright now and needs the headache of writing a ‘Doctor Who’ episode like she needs a hole in the head, but to his surprise she was game. She said writing on the old show was a fun gig, especially for that point in her career, but weird because the BBC did not give two shits about the show by the time she did her thing so they were sort of left to their own devices, especially once the decision had been taken to end the show - sort of, insofar as they did actually make the decision.
JFK assassination, if you'll recall from An Adventure in Space in Time, happened *right* as the show started airing. BUT, if you wanna see a British Sci-fi Show tackle that, watch Red Dwarf.
Also in Rose we see the Doctor has already been to see it happen. The weird conspiracy theory guy Rose goes to see has pictures of the Doctor all through time and one if them is at the JFK Assassination.
Regarding whether they'd touch on certain topics, there was a good novel called Who Killed Kennedy. It was written before the show came back. I think, at the time, the novels were all considered canon. Not sure if they are, now. I know they were really guarded about what they'd publish back then, because they didn't want to contradict anything, etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_Kennedy
@@GiRR007 Not true. None of Jodie's episodes have gone below 6 million total viewers (including all the catch up and iPlayer views). Some of Capaldi's episodes were under 5 million and that's with catchup and iPlayer.
"Men were for pleasure, women for procreation?" Hm, that's more Greek than Roman, but that being said Greek loved women's "company", too. And actually, um, ANY "company". Trust me, I'm an archeologist, there are TONS of weird ass very mature artifacts. That bit in Asssasin's Creed Odyssey with Alkibiades, a woman and a goat? Yeah, pretty sure that was normal by then ^^; And Romans weren't very much different.
Omg...been following you guys for a small amount of time...i started bc of the doctor who reactions...I'm a newer whovian...anyway, just realized you're all in ohio!!! Marietta!?!! I am only about 2.5 hrs away...that's crazy!! I'm in Canton...love it! You all are great!!
Well that makes sense since Crows are one of the most intelligent species on the planet. Corvids, which are a sub species of Crow are ale to problem solve and have the ability to mentally ask questions and find an answer to them.
Barry Allen The moon landing was after Rosa Parks right? So Impossible Astronaut would be a more recent historical event. Don’t know if there are any more recent that I’m just not thinking of
“My favorite Doctor Who episodes are the ones where they touch on historical moments.” -Eric Well, he might get a kick out of one (or two) certain episodes next season.
This may answer *Eric's* question (3:00) ─ ruclips.net/video/jqiBwb8pZQM/видео.htmlm49s ─ URL set to start specifically where it is discussed & includes a _Steven Moffat_ interview excerpt wherein he addresses this very issue. *NOTE:* You may not like the video proper, which is why I made sure the URL only takes you to the part that addresses the question.
The Doctor already went back to see the Kenedy assassination. It was the 9th Doctor and we see it in "Rose" when Rose is talking to the conspiracy theorist who has pictures of the Doctor from different times. He is seen standing in the crowd. It probably took place sometime after "Rose" so it is likely that Rose was with him at the time and we just didn't see that story. But on the point of 9/11 I think it is a bit different. Like what story could you tell that involved the Doctor in those events? Like we know what happened. Are they gonna try and say it was Aliens that caused it because that would be a bad idea, or are they just going to have the Doctor in the buildings trying to escape? He would just have to do what he done in Fires of Pompeii then and let everyone die. But I dunno why the Doctor would be there. Like if the TARDIS landed in one of the world trade center buildings then surely he would just leave the second he realised where he was because if you are there it is most likely you will be killed. Who would wait in a skyscraper when they know a plane is about to fly into the side of it? Pompeii was different because at least you could see the Volcano erupt and have some time to escape to the TARDIS. Maybe the Doctor has watched the incident from a far out of curiosity, I dunno. I feel like they could get away with Pearl Harbor more easily as you could just have the Doctor deal with some alien threat or what ever but the setting could be a the time of the Pearl Harbor attack. But also think about the fact Doctor Who is a British series. I am from England and I understand most of what happened involving 9/11 but I know less about Pearl Harbor. I know the Japanese bombed it, it killed a lot of people, it was what convinced America to join the war and it is in Hawaii, that is like the extent of what I know. 9/11 is more culturally impactful here than Pearl Harbor as Pearl Harbor to us was just another of many tragedies in a War we were already involved with, London was going through the Blitz at the time so we had other things to worry about plus Japan was way to far for us to really get involved. After 9/11 the UK joined the US to go after Al Quida.
TheZebbga RE: Kennedy Assassination It is to be believed that the photos that Clive (the conspiracy theorist) showed to Rose, happened due to to the several second gap between the Doctor asking Rose to go with him. If you remember, the first time he asks her to travel with him, Rose says no, and the Doctor leaves. He then returns a few seconds later to say, “and did I mention, it also travels in time.” Where she actually joins him. It’s believed that during those two, that’s when he went on all of the adventures alone and he realized that it’s much more enjoyable to have someone with him. So he goes back. This is backed up by the scene where the Doctor is in Rose’s flat and he looks in the mirror like he’s never seen himself before. Because he was newly regenerated.
@@hannahmerlino2462 I don't think that was what the writters intended but I quite like that idea. I kinda just assumed that he took off an imediatly landed again because he forgot to tell her it travels in time. But there isn't many places in the timeline that it could happen since Rose was kinda with him more or less the whole time.
Most people that live through tragic events in some way will never accept those events being put to film. Personally, while I’m not from NY and don’t know anyone that died in the attack, I did watch the towers fall on tv and I never wanna see that used for entertainment. It will eventually, obviously (don’t necessarily count that Nick Cage movie from awhile back), but I’d rather it not be made.
I think the question of what history is too raw to touch is an interesting one, and might be worth re-visiting in 6 to 7 weeks time. As a bit of a marker, Classic Who didn't set a story during WWII until it's final season, which was 1989, 50 years after the war first began. Even that story was set in Great Britain and did not feature any Nazis. In terms of recent British history, I think if they did anything on the death of Diana, Princess of Wales the media's howls would be deafening. That was 1995, so 25 years ago. Also,, anything relating to the history of Britain in Ireland. It's still relevant, so would still be too much to tackle.
I don’t particularly care for this one .. I just find it “meh” . The supporting characters aren’t much fleshed out and the plot itself feels basic though Nardole has some great lines and Capaldi is great as always!!. I do like how old school it feels since it was written by a Classic Who writer .
While it's true that some Roman legions were made up of African soldiers, they represented a small minority and were overwhelmingly of North African stock, and thus Arab in appearance, not black, and certainly not West African. In truth the only reason they cast black actors is because the BBC literally has self-imposed diversity quotes that it has to fill.
I feel like 9/11 wouldn’t really fit with doctor who or at least new who. Like they couldn’t really say it’s down to aliens or anything because it kind of minimises the event, but at the same time I can’t see a reason they’d go there that isn’t to stop it. Definitely an interesting thought Eric
The Romans never colonised Ethiopia or Sub Sahara... So what are you saying?? Yes of course there were some black people in there ranks... But please don't suggest its more than it was.. North Africa is not Sub sahara.. Think how disrespectful your comments are to someone of Ethiopia.. Ethiopia was the only known Black country in those times...And was never conquered by the Romans.
I don't think that it's a bad thing - Missy's arc was beautifully done, but it was Missy's arc. Regeneration changes more than just the physical - various incarnations of The Doctor don't see eye to eye - 5 and 6 are VERY different people, but the *essence* of what makes The Doctor The Doctor is what remains - and the essence of the Master has never been exactly pleasant...Missy's arc is now and forever unique to that incarnation of The Master - I don't think that's a bad thing at all =)
You are way overthinking the language thing, which is obviously there just to make stories work. There is one classic story where the subject is mentioned, and it was a plot point that the companion noticed the language, since they aren't supposed to.
3 more episodes than that's me done watching you guys react to Doctor Who 😔 (Thank you for all the amazing reactions) but I just can't bring myself to watch anything from series 11 again. It's quite frankly some of the worst TV I've ever seen and trust me I've watched a lot of crap. There isn't a single reaction worthy moment from S11. The writing is horrendous. The acting is atrocious and to top it all of it's full of SJW nonsense. Judging by the ratings for the show it looks like I won't be the only one.
@@thepandorica1660 Look at you trying to justify it by saying "mostly" 😂 such a cop out excuse. The last episode got 4.19 million viewers meaning by the next episode it could go in to Capaldi era ratings even possibly becoming the least watched series in new who history. Just from episode 1 of this series it has lost over a million viewers and more than 3 - 4 million last series. Theres also been a dramatic drop in viewers watching on iplayer. So what are you talking about? www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/tv/doctor-season-12-viewership-continues-plunge-episode/amp/ www.google.com/amp/s/cosmicbook.news/doctor-who-ratings-plummet-lose-million-viewers%3famp www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10659956/doctor-who-ratings-fall-worst-ever/amp/
@@cmc2838 The ratings system is overrated. Even series 11 (which had one or two high points and a boatload of lows) which had uniformly BAD ratings, was in the top 5 watched shows on it's broadcast day - there simply aren't as many people watching TV as there used to be, certainly not in the traditional sense. Doctor Who remains the BBC highest international import - like it or not, it's here to stay (for at least another 3 years if the industry chatter is to be believed). I have very little faith in numbers - they can be manipulated and presented in ways to suit pretty much any purpose, and often are by tabloids looking for stories. I have much more faith in the actual end product - Series 11 was not good (despite one or two reasonable high points), but Series 12 seems to be a huge step in the right direction. Now...If they could just give Jodie an honest to goodness "I am The Doctor" moment...
No one noticed an ultra rare black Roman soldier? 4 guys who notice everything ? Diversity bs! Would you notice if a White Zulu warrior showed up in the middle of the Mini Series Shaka Zulu? Or a Mexican soldier in Mulan ?
@@TheMoonRover Indeed, some black Romans are named in the historical record, and Roman soldiers from North Africa are attested to as far north as Scotland/Hadrian's Wall: www.historyextra.com/period/roman/how-ethnically-diverse-was-roman-britain
@@ftumschk Stop speading a false narative.. North Africa is not and was not black. Ethiopia was the only known black country and Rome never conquered her
@@markmorris7123 As if everyone stayed in their own countries back then. Of course there were black people in Roman occupied territories. I don't spread false narratives, but I'm heartily sick to death of those who do, just to suit their own prejudices.
Fun fact about this episode is that it was written by Rona Munro who wrote the last ever Classic Who story Survival meaning 28 years between her first story and this and she is currently the only writer to have written for both Classic and NuWho
She is also known as the one who "killed" original Who with Survival, bringing her back was a nice touch... But not really a good decision to give her whole episode on her own, cause Eaters of Light was goddamn awful.
@@mjm3091 i think it was good since series 10 was the last New Who series. Its a nice bookend :p
@@mjm3091 Everyone loves Survival though?
MJM what was that the Doctor sad.....be kind. Yeah.
@@mahfuzurchowdhury2765 Quite undeservedly as well.
A very underrated episode imo... often overlooked, but understandable considering the trio of episodes to come !
For every terrible episode there will always be that one guy in the comments that says it's very underrated.
It was a boring pile of shit.
@@thedoctorgeneric5007 for every comment expressing an opinion, there will always be that one guy in the replies that says that opinion is wrong.
It's subjective.
Every single time I see a comment on Blind Wave by “theDoctorGeneric” you’re always being an asshole and shitting on people for liking episodes. All you do is bitch. I’m not even convinced you like Doctor Who. Not everyone is a bitter douchebag like you. Let people enjoy things.
Like, this episode was actually great. Fuck off.
Whoever wrote this episode has NO historical knowledge whatsoever. The barbarians that are supposed to be here historically were WAY more bloodthristy and brutal than romans. You can't just put modern people with modern mentality in some old clothing and call them "barbarians".
So. Close. To. World Enough And Time.
Regarding Eric's question: Yes, there absolutely would have been black Romans, even black legionnaires. At its peak the Roman Empire pretty much encapsulated all the shores of the Mediterranean Sea, so that includes most of North Africa, not to mention the Egyptian heartland and most of the Middle East. While immigration into the Roman territories in Africa from further South was rare, it wasn't impossible, and Roman society didn't really have any kind of officially mandated racial policy that would preclude black people from citizenship or service in the military. It was still very rare though, so statistically it's not very likely that, in a group of like 7 Roman survivors, two of them would be black, but it's definitely not impossible either.
Though having said that, I wouldn't want to make it sound like everything about the Romans in this episode is 100% truthful. The most obvious fuck up is that the survivors are all supposed to be Centurions, even though the oldest one among them is only 18. A centurion was a very senior ranking officer in the legion, and it would be EXTREMELY rare to be promoted to it before the age of at least 30 (which was, I believe, the official minimum age requirement, though occasional exceptions were not impossible). One 18 year old centurion would be very unusual, but 7 of them at once makes no sense at all, these guys would basically be the command staff of the entire Ninth legion. No idea why they decided to make them all Centurions, except maybe that they wanted to use the cool helmet with the plumes on top.
Also, while the moment where the Romans just casually accept Bill's sexuality and imply that most ordinary Romans are bisexual is sweet, it's also not really true. While it's true that Roman society generally didn't judge people on their sexuality, that's only because they didn't even really have a concept of "sexual orientation", and simply judged people by their actual role in a sexual encounter. In ancient Rome, it wasn't really a question of gay or straight but a question of penetrator or penetrated, and it was expected that proper Roman men would be sexually dominant, ie, penetrators. They didn't didn't really care who you went to bed with, they just cared that you weren't the "submissive" one when you did it, because that was considered weak and improper.
That uh... Was probably more of a summary than was necessary honestly but oh well lol, gotta use that miscellaneous knowledge somehow lmao
If youtube had more posts like this I would be a very happy person.
BUT the reason for having a black Roman soldier was NOT out of reverence for history.
It was out of the need to be SJW TV activists. To shoehorn in POC whenever possible even if it doesnt fit.
This is waterboarding of the public to accept the view of the progressive sjw.
We all know its bad to not hire POC, but hire them for parts that they fit.
If its right to place the wrong race anywhere, then I suggest we change Madea to Kevin James in a dress add a cpl Asians, some Mexicans and if the normally all black cast complains, call them filthy racists 🤣
They definitely just wanted to use the cool helmets.
There was a black emperor IIRC.
the thing about men for pleasure women for procreation is definitely more of a Spartan thing as women in general were seen as weak and so despised that they preferred the company of other men, though of course they did still take wives and women actually had a lot more freedom during that time compared to say the Greek women but yeah women were generally just used for making babies sometimes older spartans would even let other young men sleep with their wives if they thought it would lead to a higher chance of impregnation
Yes, there were black Romans. There’s a lot of evidence regarding the spread of people throughout the Empire, including from the continent/Middle East/Africa to the British Isles
Indeed,the first people in Rome,the Etruscans,were black.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization
And the Senate granted Roman citizenship to all (free) inhabitants of the Empire in 212 AD.
I can’t wait until next week
Black Roman soldiers, most likely as they could have joined from any country within the Empire. They discovered through DNA the remains of a black Roman at Hadrian's Wall. If you think about it one country (Italy) could sustain the amount of armies and soldiers required to keep the Empire the size it was, ok it did shrink eventually but it wasn't sudden.
The British Empire had recruits from the countries they'd colonised, so it's no stretch to imagine the Romans did too.
@@RichardM-kv4uu The Romans never colonised Ethiopia.. Ethiopia was the only known black country. The Romans never explored the sub sahara
Prepare to get a lot of views next 2 weeks. World enough and time and The doctor falls are the best 2 parts of Doctor Who and my favorite season finale.
Ratiu Victor Those two plus Twice Upon a Time are some of my favorite moments of Doctor Who. I loved our first Multi-Master story on-screen. It was amazing.
No one:
Aaron: Pop pop pop
Stupid Webcam Lmao a reference to An Adventure In Space and Time
0:56 The Stonehenge bluestones were carried from the Preseli Hills in Wales... a walking distance of nearly 200 miles.
I just love series 10. Even the fill out episodes are so well written. And it was so nice of them to invite Rona Munro, who wrote the last story for old Who 1989, to write an episode for the new Who era. Would love to have more episodes written by Rona. Very nice to watch. A solid 7/10 from me.
It might have been Moffat’s usual self deprecating thing, but he said he was surprised she returned his call. She’s a very respected, award winning playwright now and needs the headache of writing a ‘Doctor Who’ episode like she needs a hole in the head, but to his surprise she was game. She said writing on the old show was a fun gig, especially for that point in her career, but weird because the BBC did not give two shits about the show by the time she did her thing so they were sort of left to their own devices, especially once the decision had been taken to end the show - sort of, insofar as they did actually make the decision.
“Why the hell are they split up in this time period?” TRUUUUEEE
JFK assassination, if you'll recall from An Adventure in Space in Time, happened *right* as the show started airing.
BUT, if you wanna see a British Sci-fi Show tackle that, watch Red Dwarf.
Also in Rose we see the Doctor has already been to see it happen. The weird conspiracy theory guy Rose goes to see has pictures of the Doctor all through time and one if them is at the JFK Assassination.
@@misterthedarkknight Except that isn't British, but yes, it is about that.
I would love to see them react to RD
Regarding whether they'd touch on certain topics, there was a good novel called Who Killed Kennedy. It was written before the show came back. I think, at the time, the novels were all considered canon. Not sure if they are, now. I know they were really guarded about what they'd publish back then, because they didn't want to contradict anything, etc.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_Kennedy
i like this story. one of my favourites from this doctor. eternally fighting warriors for their people.
The end of this series is coming so fast, makes my heart hurt
@MarvelDC girl 1255643 2354 When i say series, i'm referring to Capaldi's era ;)
@MarvelDC girl 1255643 2354 its basically over now with the new female doctor, the viewer ship took a nose dive
@@GiRR007 Not true. None of Jodie's episodes have gone below 6 million total viewers (including all the catch up and iPlayer views). Some of Capaldi's episodes were under 5 million and that's with catchup and iPlayer.
@@VickiLovesDoctorWho You sure? ive heard the MOST recent ones have been doimg really bad.
‘Death by scotland’ c’mon we had a pretty damn good summer in 2019 😂😂 🌞
"Men were for pleasure, women for procreation?" Hm, that's more Greek than Roman, but that being said Greek loved women's "company", too. And actually, um, ANY "company". Trust me, I'm an archeologist, there are TONS of weird ass very mature artifacts. That bit in Asssasin's Creed Odyssey with Alkibiades, a woman and a goat? Yeah, pretty sure that was normal by then ^^; And Romans weren't very much different.
Greeks supressed woman... they were not alowed to even speak in public..Sparta was the only Greek state where this didn't applydd
Omg...been following you guys for a small amount of time...i started bc of the doctor who reactions...I'm a newer whovian...anyway, just realized you're all in ohio!!! Marietta!?!! I am only about 2.5 hrs away...that's crazy!! I'm in Canton...love it! You all are great!!
Crows actually can speak like parrots do, it just requires special training
Well that makes sense since Crows are one of the most intelligent species on the planet. Corvids, which are a sub species of Crow are ale to problem solve and have the ability to mentally ask questions and find an answer to them.
@@TheZebbga corvids aren't a subspecies of crow, corvids are a group that includes crows and ravens
@@GreenAgouti Yeah, I probably meant that. It was 2 years ago that I left that comment so who knows what I actually meant.
Nardole was cosplaying Arthur Dent
Lincoln did turn up in a 1st Doctor story but only delivering the Gettysburg address on the Time/Space Visualizer.
Next week been looking forward to this it’s my fave capaldi arc
Their discussion made me think... What is the most recent historical event that Doctor Who has had an episode on?
Barry Allen The moon landing was after Rosa Parks right? So Impossible Astronaut would be a more recent historical event. Don’t know if there are any more recent that I’m just not thinking of
I would say episode 2x11 (olympic games)
@@johnhillwind105 ah, but that was technically the future at the time. So not a historical event.
I think it would be the Pompeii episode and Rosa episode
You patrons are lucky as hell to get next weeks episode early. I want it now!!!! 😶
Geez, can someone feed Shane? Hes unusually grumpy
“My favorite Doctor Who episodes are the ones where they touch on historical moments.” -Eric
Well, he might get a kick out of one (or two) certain episodes next season.
Yeah, but they're still not overly good episodes. They're the best in the season, but still not very good
@Kulrec fair
Kulrec BENNI!
Fuck, Demons of Punjab was a Masterpiece
@@DasKame Totally. One of my favorite episodes of the entire show, and I've seen all of Classic Who as well.
Capaludi does such a great job as the dr love em all great episode to me & I can’t wait for crisis parts 4 and 5 reaction!
What the hell is a capaludi?
@@miller-joel that’s the last name of the actor who was the Dr after Matt smith , the older guy
@@Narutoanime16g No, Capaldi plays the Doctor.
@@miller-joel I know that lol he's the Doctor after Matt Smiths Doctor
@@Narutoanime16g There's no capaludi.
This may answer *Eric's* question (3:00) ─ ruclips.net/video/jqiBwb8pZQM/видео.htmlm49s ─ URL set to start specifically where it is discussed & includes a _Steven Moffat_ interview excerpt wherein he addresses this very issue.
*NOTE:* You may not like the video proper, which is why I made sure the URL only takes you to the part that addresses the question.
Great reaction guys. You should react to Spartacus blood and sand
I’m so sad you’re near the end of quality Who. There’s some good stuff in the future, but nothing will compare to the next two.
My version had sound effects, what the hell
The Roman Empire included much of Africa so yes there were black centurions
Much of NORTH Africa. An important distinction, as we are talking about the second-biggest continent. But true enough.
n e x t w e e k
The anticipation almost feels like a giant hole in my chest.
I forgot this episode existed
Now i will always remember it for delaying a episode we all waiting for lol
Don't forget quantum leap did a couple of episodes on jfk
The Doctor already went back to see the Kenedy assassination. It was the 9th Doctor and we see it in "Rose" when Rose is talking to the conspiracy theorist who has pictures of the Doctor from different times. He is seen standing in the crowd. It probably took place sometime after "Rose" so it is likely that Rose was with him at the time and we just didn't see that story.
But on the point of 9/11 I think it is a bit different. Like what story could you tell that involved the Doctor in those events? Like we know what happened. Are they gonna try and say it was Aliens that caused it because that would be a bad idea, or are they just going to have the Doctor in the buildings trying to escape? He would just have to do what he done in Fires of Pompeii then and let everyone die. But I dunno why the Doctor would be there. Like if the TARDIS landed in one of the world trade center buildings then surely he would just leave the second he realised where he was because if you are there it is most likely you will be killed. Who would wait in a skyscraper when they know a plane is about to fly into the side of it? Pompeii was different because at least you could see the Volcano erupt and have some time to escape to the TARDIS. Maybe the Doctor has watched the incident from a far out of curiosity, I dunno.
I feel like they could get away with Pearl Harbor more easily as you could just have the Doctor deal with some alien threat or what ever but the setting could be a the time of the Pearl Harbor attack. But also think about the fact Doctor Who is a British series. I am from England and I understand most of what happened involving 9/11 but I know less about Pearl Harbor. I know the Japanese bombed it, it killed a lot of people, it was what convinced America to join the war and it is in Hawaii, that is like the extent of what I know. 9/11 is more culturally impactful here than Pearl Harbor as Pearl Harbor to us was just another of many tragedies in a War we were already involved with, London was going through the Blitz at the time so we had other things to worry about plus Japan was way to far for us to really get involved. After 9/11 the UK joined the US to go after Al Quida.
TheZebbga RE: Kennedy Assassination
It is to be believed that the photos that Clive (the conspiracy theorist) showed to Rose, happened due to to the several second gap between the Doctor asking Rose to go with him.
If you remember, the first time he asks her to travel with him, Rose says no, and the Doctor leaves. He then returns a few seconds later to say, “and did I mention, it also travels in time.” Where she actually joins him.
It’s believed that during those two, that’s when he went on all of the adventures alone and he realized that it’s much more enjoyable to have someone with him. So he goes back. This is backed up by the scene where the Doctor is in Rose’s flat and he looks in the mirror like he’s never seen himself before. Because he was newly regenerated.
@@hannahmerlino2462 I don't think that was what the writters intended but I quite like that idea. I kinda just assumed that he took off an imediatly landed again because he forgot to tell her it travels in time. But there isn't many places in the timeline that it could happen since Rose was kinda with him more or less the whole time.
The only way people would accept a 9/11 episode is if it’s done in a way that respects and honor those that were killed without trying to gamify it.
we're sooo close....
Most people that live through tragic events in some way will never accept those events being put to film. Personally, while I’m not from NY and don’t know anyone that died in the attack, I did watch the towers fall on tv and I never wanna see that used for entertainment. It will eventually, obviously (don’t necessarily count that Nick Cage movie from awhile back), but I’d rather it not be made.
I think the question of what history is too raw to touch is an interesting one, and might be worth re-visiting in 6 to 7 weeks time.
As a bit of a marker, Classic Who didn't set a story during WWII until it's final season, which was 1989, 50 years after the war first began. Even that story was set in Great Britain and did not feature any Nazis.
In terms of recent British history, I think if they did anything on the death of Diana, Princess of Wales the media's howls would be deafening. That was 1995, so 25 years ago. Also,, anything relating to the history of Britain in Ireland. It's still relevant, so would still be too much to tackle.
We're getting there guys!!! SOON!!!! I'm happy and sad. :(
Can’t wait for next weeks
fam season 1 episode 1 the dr was pictured at jfk's assassination, the nerd guy who showed rose all the doctor stuff had it
They should react to merlin
Next week: I. Waited. For. Yooouuu!
Here come the drums.
Red Dwarf did a JFK episode.
Menfish. Isn't that a place in Tennessee?
Thanks, Eric! Thanks, Shane! Thanks, Calvin! Thanks, Aaron! ⏳
I don’t particularly care for this one .. I just find it “meh” .
The supporting characters aren’t much fleshed out and the plot itself feels basic though Nardole has some great lines and Capaldi is great as always!!.
I do like how old school it feels since it was written by a Classic Who writer .
There was a hxh reference in this vid.
I love a good Doctor who reaction, but ya'll know what we're waiting for. ;)
1:10 Damb vandalism!
I hope you guys react to Red Dwarf sometime.
9/11 has had lots of movies and shows based on it and many of them came out not long after. Like 2004, it's crazy to think about
Anime Dude Skins had an episode where they did a musical about it, and that was years ago.
@blindewave they do a history one with the newest doctor but you got a long way to go yet
Bruh I can't wait for your Crisis reaction. It's gonna be LOUD
Me trying not to tear up
Them: Kar!
🤣
"Romans invented sex but the French introduced it to women."
So I guess this would be a _Hypo-_ bolic Time Chamber.
While it's true that some Roman legions were made up of African soldiers, they represented a small minority and were overwhelmingly of North African stock, and thus Arab in appearance, not black, and certainly not West African. In truth the only reason they cast black actors is because the BBC literally has self-imposed diversity quotes that it has to fill.
I feel like 9/11 wouldn’t really fit with doctor who or at least new who. Like they couldn’t really say it’s down to aliens or anything because it kind of minimises the event, but at the same time I can’t see a reason they’d go there that isn’t to stop it. Definitely an interesting thought Eric
There needs to be another 50 years to go by for that to able to be accepted into the culture
The Guavian Death Gang
Tell that to Kanjiklub
The final episodes of crisis on infinite earths are out
I want crisis reactionnn
A mostly average episode but that ending. Geez the feels.
next eps :)
Yes there were black romans. The empire included portions of Africa. The empire was diverse just as the British empire was diverse
The Romans never colonised Ethiopia or Sub Sahara... So what are you saying?? Yes of course there were some black people in there ranks... But please don't suggest its more than it was.. North Africa is not Sub sahara.. Think how disrespectful your comments are to someone of Ethiopia.. Ethiopia was the only known Black country in those times...And was never conquered by the Romans.
Really sucks that all of missy's character development gets washed away in season 12
*spoilers*
How? The new master could be before Missy or an alternate universe incarnation.
@@ftumschk that's an interesting way to look at it
@@GamingGamer22 Thank you :)
I don't think that it's a bad thing - Missy's arc was beautifully done, but it was Missy's arc. Regeneration changes more than just the physical - various incarnations of The Doctor don't see eye to eye - 5 and 6 are VERY different people, but the *essence* of what makes The Doctor The Doctor is what remains - and the essence of the Master has never been exactly pleasant...Missy's arc is now and forever unique to that incarnation of The Master - I don't think that's a bad thing at all =)
@@williampanic8292 another good point
The Roman Empire stretched to Africa. So there would've been black soldiers in the Roman army.
You are way overthinking the language thing, which is obviously there just to make stories work. There is one classic story where the subject is mentioned, and it was a plot point that the companion noticed the language, since they aren't supposed to.
react to crisis on infinite earths part 4 and 5 !!
People triggered by black Romans in a show about an alien that travels through time and space. FML.
CRISIS!!!!! just a friendly reminder😊
Nice, it will help me wait until CRISIS reaction
😂😂😂😂😂😅😂
To think there are only 3 more episodes of Doctor Who left after this before the show just abruptly ended.
Mr. M it was the weirdest thing ever
You shuld react to kipo. It is a new netflix show and it is awsome!!!
Are y'all planning on reacting to Tokyo Ghoul at some point?
pls react to crisis part 4 and 5
jonik 9 I’m sure the episodes will be up later tonight
reaccionen a madoka o me mato
3 more episodes than that's me done watching you guys react to Doctor Who 😔 (Thank you for all the amazing reactions) but I just can't bring myself to watch anything from series 11 again. It's quite frankly some of the worst TV I've ever seen and trust me I've watched a lot of crap. There isn't a single reaction worthy moment from S11. The writing is horrendous. The acting is atrocious and to top it all of it's full of SJW nonsense. Judging by the ratings for the show it looks like I won't be the only one.
Ratings? They’re mostly better than the Capaldi era, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@thepandorica1660 Look at you trying to justify it by saying "mostly" 😂 such a cop out excuse. The last episode got 4.19 million viewers meaning by the next episode it could go in to Capaldi era ratings even possibly becoming the least watched series in new who history. Just from episode 1 of this series it has lost over a million viewers and more than 3 - 4 million last series. Theres also been a dramatic drop in viewers watching on iplayer. So what are you talking about?
www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/tv/doctor-season-12-viewership-continues-plunge-episode/amp/
www.google.com/amp/s/cosmicbook.news/doctor-who-ratings-plummet-lose-million-viewers%3famp
www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10659956/doctor-who-ratings-fall-worst-ever/amp/
@@cmc2838 The ratings system is overrated. Even series 11 (which had one or two high points and a boatload of lows) which had uniformly BAD ratings, was in the top 5 watched shows on it's broadcast day - there simply aren't as many people watching TV as there used to be, certainly not in the traditional sense. Doctor Who remains the BBC highest international import - like it or not, it's here to stay (for at least another 3 years if the industry chatter is to be believed). I have very little faith in numbers - they can be manipulated and presented in ways to suit pretty much any purpose, and often are by tabloids looking for stories. I have much more faith in the actual end product - Series 11 was not good (despite one or two reasonable high points), but Series 12 seems to be a huge step in the right direction. Now...If they could just give Jodie an honest to goodness "I am The Doctor" moment...
Not a bad episode but forgettable imo
The crew's asleep. Just wait til season 11... they'll be totally woke.
Definitely my least favorite episode of Doctor who. Although Tsundra and Girl who died come close.
Worst ep of series 10
at least very very very boring yes
Ward Junior I blame the placement, it would have been better if we didn’t just have the big cliffhanger of Missy showing concern for the Doctor.
This Episode
was
so BORING
No one noticed an ultra rare black Roman soldier? 4 guys who notice everything ?
Diversity bs!
Would you notice if a White Zulu warrior showed up in the middle of the Mini Series Shaka Zulu?
Or a Mexican soldier in Mulan ?
The Roman Empire controlled much of northern Africa. There absolutely would have been black Roman soldiers. Maybe not a lot, but definitely some.
@@TheMoonRover Indeed, some black Romans are named in the historical record, and Roman soldiers from North Africa are attested to as far north as Scotland/Hadrian's Wall:
www.historyextra.com/period/roman/how-ethnically-diverse-was-roman-britain
@@TheMoonRover North Africa was not black..Rome never conquered Ethiopia
@@ftumschk Stop speading a false narative.. North Africa is not and was not black. Ethiopia was the only known black country and Rome never conquered her
@@markmorris7123 As if everyone stayed in their own countries back then. Of course there were black people in Roman occupied territories.
I don't spread false narratives, but I'm heartily sick to death of those who do, just to suit their own prejudices.