The problem wasn't how they wrote the show, the problem was how they shoehorned in more plot towards the end without resolving the Piltover-Zaun conflict. They left a large dangling plot thread and moved on.
The plot was the characters in both seasons. The conflict was just a catalyst and isn’t something that gets resolved. There’s always conflict to some extent. They got rid of martial law and reinstated the council and included a Zaunite as a council member. It’s not perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.
First season was a thought out self-contained story that worked really well, season 2 felt like they just wanted to set up their next shows with all the Noxus stuff and the plot from season 1 took a back seat to that. Like the Piltover and Zaun conflict which was the main theme of season 1 just gets resolved super quickly because now there's a billion other things happening. Lumi is right it needed another season to cook.
It's pretty telling when the best episode and relationship depicted was a completely alternate timeline straight couple. My boy Ekko should have stayed in that timeline... And yes multiverses everywhere still sucks, the irony isn't lost on me there.
ironic that best episode was literally a filler that could show everything it did in...3 minutes? but then we now have no time to tell actual relevant story(that is still bad), the writing, pacing and overall narrative of s2 is such a mess.
@@sanderkiki It's wholesome well told filler meets rushed, chaotic, character destroying main plot. I feel like some priorities should have shifted in there somewhere lol.
but they do need to make it call back to the game. because the show is an adaptation of the game. you do it the other way around and now, riot is snapping the Machine Herald out of existence to retcon in this show's viktor into a game that has no place for him. doing this affects other champions' lore, especially blitzcrank, who lol viktor created. worst part is that this isnt even the biggest or most blatant retcon riot has done. i highly doubt show watchers or newer players even know of the institute of war, the reason the game is called 'league of legends' or why the player is called 'summoner' edit: this show is bad on its own, but from the perspective of someone who liked what lol lore used to be, it's nigh unbearable.
Xerath got done the most dirty be new lore. I remember back when he was essentially a libertarian mage who just wanted to be left alone and accidentally nuked everyone when they came to forcibly stop his magic experiments. Then they made him into just magic hitler satan for no reason, lame
@@Phoenix0F8 it's a bit different. he wanted to perform a ritual to make him immortal so he can study magic for eternity but he hesitated at the last moment to instead be with a girl he loves. but due to his hesitation, the ritual went wrong and she died. so with nothing to lose, he went through with the botched ritual, becoming living magic so he can pursue his original goal, though it is implied in his league judgement that he really did it make her death have meaning and so he can remember her forever. it's very poignant and you're right, he got done real dirty to hype up azir.
Yea that's a focal point in his lore, he made Blitz and his master just like Edison stole credit for it. Then he tried to distance himself from emotions by glorious evolution so anger will never distract him from progress.
League lore was better before they started to retcon things. Especially Trundle's lore where they turned him from a heroic character who saved his tribe and sacraficed his own health and capabilities and joined the league to get a cure for the disease, then they retconned him into being a boring brain dead brute lackey under Lissandra.
Uhhh, I agree with the sentiment, but you know Trundle's original lore had him turn his back on the tribe, right? At the judgment, they tell him that the cure has weakened the tribe and he can save them by returning the curse. He tells the summoner that the tribe can kick rocks because they basically tricked him into thinking he'd be a hero if he suffered the curse for everyone. I really like the lore, it makes him an interesting and nuanced character, but I'd never refer to him as heroic.
It's rushed because of the Black Rose/Noxus plotline. They could have removed it and made Mel and Ambessa into a single character who just manipulates the Pilties into producing weapons for Noxus. Focus more on the war between Zaun and Piltover. Things happen super fast. The attack on the memorial was on the morning, and by night the injured Jayce already fitted a whole new squad of Cait's new squad. Viktor made a whole utopia in a few days. Singed being behind everything kinda fits since he's responsible for a lot of champ's backstory in League. For Arcane-only audience, I could see how he does feel like a plot device, though. Like the Doraemon of Arcane. Singed players are unhinged lunatics and they got the best fanservice. congrats For retconned champs like Camille, well, very small hope for a new lore. I don't trust Riot to pay attention to champs that aren't named Yasuo, Jinx, or Lux. With the Viktor rework, it's really beginning to feel like League is a game based on Arcane instead of the other way round.
0:35 She is right. I talked to a friend about the season 2. He loved it. I pointed out that the writting was dog shit. His only response was "yeah, but the animation is suuuuuuuper good tho". Yeah, but the writting tho? Listen, it was the best animation I've EVER seen. bruh. Why are people like this? Why can't they see beyond the one shiny thing and try to look at the bigger picture. It's so annoying.
The writing is actually pretty sharp except for the Viktor/Jayce storyline starting in episode 6 and the Black Rose/Mel/Ambessa stuff the entire season. Until episode 9 that is. Then everyone's writing nose dives. So to just look at the show and say bad writing is not looking at the bigger picture.
@@Pers0n97 Except my point is that besides the final episode and couple moments prior to it over the season the writing was good? Thus saying the show has bad writing is false when most of the time it's the opposite.
My fav part of Arcane S02 is reading all the cope comments. Cuz S01 was so amazing, a lot of people just can't accept that 2 was awful, and jump through multiple hoops trying to make it make sense.
Season 2 really felt like the writers kept forgetting what the plot was every episode or two, and kept changing the plot to something else. Whole thing felt incredibly thematically confused and like they couldn't decide what story they wanted to tell.
Funny enough the thing that stood out to on how it was rushed was they wanted to have the sex scene but also forgot to kill off the one chick. So Caitlyn just cheats on a girl who actually liked her for the ex she couldn't get over where both would just straight up use each other and go behind each other's backs. (But OH THANK GOODNESS, she's evil, and if that wasn't enough, she's dead. I didn't think much on it, but yeah for a show on the "Arcane" didn't really seem as significant as what was going on with Viktor.
They retcon Jinx, at the end of season 1 she became Jinx and Powder die, but in this season she is conflicted between both, and Vi said in part 1 of season 2 she Powder is dead now its only Jinx, only for that to be reversed once the pokemon, I mean the little girl tries to save her, after that shitCait becames a tyrant and oppressed the people of Zaun, Vi later forgot all that and Cait wanted to apologize because she fucked anorher girl, not for the people that she oppressed, that was for all the horny league shippers, I just liked Ekko in all of this shit.
Honestly? Besides being gay, Caitlyn is mega-based. "Oppressing" a bunch of retards who would rather worship a psychopath murderer because she's "one of them" cannot be considered a crime, these people obviously can't be trusted to take care of themselves. Additionally, she killed their criminal overlords and disassembled their meth production ring. Caitlyn is nothing but a hero.
I think Lumi portraying Arcane doesn't mean she hated it. I believe she just felt disappointed with the ending and how things turned out in the show. You can't truly hate something you liked enough to watch all the way to the end.
Season 2 should've just centered around Jinx being a villain doing villain shit but of course she has to be redeemed in the end in the most hamfisted way possible because the modern audience can't handle stuff like that
I hate that they made women into mary sues in second season even though it started a little bit in the first season when Vi was taking on guys 3 times her size. And now Jayce has to take time off for weeks to get on his feet to climb a hill even though for years he spend ours of grooling work in his forge yet Cait whole life training as a sharpshooter now after few days training with Ambussy with scrambled insides by a dagger can go toe to toe with one of the strongest warriors in Noxus. Viktor turned from badass cyborg with a vision into wimp magical space cheesus.
@@MasterDecoy1Wsaying season 1 is also mediocre is just hate for hate's sake. It's not the best ever but it is good for what it is. Season 2 just sours it
@@falaflani4831 Facile world-building. Snubs fans of the actual characters and setting. Decent dialogue. Excellent art and cinematography. Hit-or-miss soundtrack. Contrivance-laden plot with powerful emotional highlights. I don't know what to call that besides mediocre.
pattern recognition that this development was surprising to anyone is what is actually surprising. should have been able to see this from the very start of season 1 after a decade of similar instances. stop being neighbor cattle and remember what it was like to be a person with a soul and not a mindless consumer, please.
I was just wondering if using the term "neighbor cattle" in one of my responses was socially appropriate for this setting. Props for pushing the envelope.
She just completely misconstrued like major plot points? Genuinely everyone I’ve seen with an overall negative opinion on season 2 miss understands or outright didn’t even comprehend 75% of the season.
Ambessa, didn't go crazy. She wanted Hextech/The Arcane from the start. We just find out at the end. She cared about family like Tywin Lannister did. And she seems to also want to use Hextech/The Arcane/Warwick (literally anything she can get) to vie for power in Noxus. And the Black Rose seems to be scared shirtless by The Arcane. Ambessa is the driving force for the plot, everyone else is a bystander. And the point is that the Arcane is too wild to control so the people with more affinity to it (Jinx, Ekko, Viktor, Mel) are wildcards that people can't control. But, yes, most of this is not explicitly stated. There are a hundred things you are supposed to "get" but aren't stated. Like the fact that Kino did die because Ambessa f*d around and found out. Or that Vander might be Jinx's biological dad. I did feel uncomfortable on the stretched out prison seggs scene.
@@adurrezzak he's not, he's the tool that the actual driving forces USE to persue their goals, also Singed allies with anyone that will get him closer to his own goal (save his daughter)
She's literally me They gutted Viktor, they defiled Vander, they removed half of P&Z from the lore, added a bunch of filler characters that served to only push the plot forward and nothing else Apparently the last episode was supposed to be 1.5 hours long, but that doesn't fix the weird story. I have a feeling that the Hexcore was supposed to be linked with the Void but they scrapped that idea and made up this arcane magic bullshit to fill the gaps. Just look at how voidy the hexcore and Viktor looked like in S1. At least Ep7 was good.
@@ninjahaz0180 We all knew he was supposed to be Warwick and Vander the man was gone But then he's completely able to recognize his daughters and vice versa, they even had a family reunion moment Writing like this really brings down the impact of a death in the story Not to mention they messed up with Warwick's design too, they kept him too human
Wait… the Arcane is something, means something? As someone who saw season 1 but, doesn’t play League of Legends, I thought the title meant it was old and odd as a time period. Literally.
I enjoyed it quite a lot, I do think episode 8 seemed very rushed though, feels like they could have had another 3 episodes at least or in all honesty maybe another season
its not rush, its more like they had to cut the parts because of Netflix and because they need to end the story cause season 3 is not possible since they still have to do other regions
I don't think you should be allowed to retcon if you have no connection to the original. Sure, you work at the company Riot who owns the League property, but if you don't have direct input from the people who created the character and have since moved on, you don't get to touch their lore or personality. League heroes should tell you something about their designer, but they kept sanding off all the edges (and fucking up my favorites) so I quit. If they want to completely rewrite the lore, then let them do it with new characters and turn the previous cast into time capsules. They represent the myths and legends of history. Especially since the League itself is meaningless, it isn't like there's any reason to keep up the façade that all these characters somehow coexist.
What "retcon" are you talking about exactly? Also, the co-creator of Arcane has worked at Riot since before they actually changed the entire lore, he's worked at Riot since 2011.
@@overthemoon34 And yet the guy who actually created Vi, Jinx, and Ekko has nothing to do with Arcane. Do you think he appreciates his character concepts being looted, deemed unworthy, then grafted with a bunch of shit he never envisioned to make them "deep and relatable"? As to retcons, obviously Arcane itself is a retcon (don't talk to me about "alternate timelines" that shit is always fucking low-tier cope), but Lumi speaks of retcons generally towards the end of the video and that's what I was responding to.
@MasterDecoy1W Let's not act like characters like Vi and Jinx were unique or interesting, Jinx was literally made to be a Harley Quinn copy (very original) and Vi was meant to be police brutality the character (again, very original), the creators of those characters don't seem to care, at least not enough to talk about it, also, characters change all the time, what do you think reworks are?
@@overthemoon34 Them not speaking out is them not burning bridges in the industry. You might as well say someone who does not talk to the police is guilty. You're talking about the archetypes, I'm talking about the lore. Vi, Jinx, Ekko, and Jhin were supposed to have connected pasts through a secret society. While Jhin didn't keep the focus on the idea with his release lore, nothing contradicted it, meaning it could still be fleshed out at a later date. Arcane absolutely tanked any possibility for that to happen by giving a complete backstory to the characters, explaining their names, and being pushed as the primary way that people will be introduced to them. "Characters change all the time." Uh, okay. Houses burn down all the time, too. That doesn't make it good or natural. Most reworks are Riot being shit at balance, and others are Riot fishing for cash by upping a characters polygon count because zoomers can't into old graphics. Them doing it a lot doesn't make it right, it just means it nets them more money at the end of the day.
@MasterDecoy1W And yet there have been creators of champs who have said that TF and Graves were always meant to be gay. Lore changes, again, same thing happens with reworks, Aatrox used to be an alien, now he's a corrupted ascended that wants to end reality.
It does feel like s2 is more of a family show. s1 was wayyy more gritty and dark. The artstyle is also less sensical and more flashy. It feels like they took something complex and just ended it.
The problem with the story isn’t that it’s gay nor is it that there’s no story because there is and it is interesting. The problem is the second season was rushed to hell, for whatever reason I don’t know, but it definitely shows
@@Phantomcrustacean They wasted time on pandering and making music videos than telling the story. Rushing is bad writing, the relationship junk was more than necessary and took time that should have been put in the actual plot. You're just making excuses.
Vi and Cait being into eachother is not something they sprang on us without building up to it in season 1. Season 2 is trash because it's rushed and lost its focus on grounded and mature storytelling; the end fightscene was basic marvel schlop and had remarkably little to say about the nature of violence like season 1 did. Sesbian Lex has remarkably little to do with the quality or lack thereof.
@@sparxskywriter2589 What excuse? You’re right, too many scenes were blatant music videos, and some scenes were blatantly made for league fans to do the Leonardo DiCaprio meme, i don’t see how we’re on opposite sides here?
Not exactly true, but Jinx leaving the cell to khs, while Vi decides to smash Cait in the exact same cell where your sister was self flagellating and starving herself to death? Really? You finna do that here?
while i enjoyed season 2, it is FAR weaker than 1. incredibly rushed (like everyone said), and when the fandom only really focuses on shallow events (gay sex), and nothing more meaningful, then yes, you know its a weak season. still enjoyed it though. some moments shined through, but were too few and far between. edit: i need to push back on Lumi here about Ambessa; she does actually make very clear why shes doing what shes doing
it's even funnier when context is given and it even makes less sense for jayce to go gangsta on viktor. he was sent back to convince viktor with words and he was lucid enough to comprehend his mission. yet the first thing he does is flatten a dude's skull while his back was turned and evaporate vik's chest while acting like he was sky high on salts.
Lumi being based as fuck. Well except for one thing. The physics engine stuff isn´t true. You can clearly tell by how some more extreme stuff like Jinx hair moves. That is not engine generated. That is hand animated just like the limbs
Where season 1 felt a lot more like a character driven plot, season 2 was all about having cool scenes and forcing charcters in to them / having some plot contrivance make it happen. For example it makes no sense that Viktor turned evil, he was willing to risk dieing to maintain Vanders mind but we are supposed to believe that he changed his mind on free will because Jayce failed to kill him, but also all that was needed for him to change back is thinking his plan through to it's logical conclusion, which he didn't so he needs to send his own memeories back through time via Jayce to learn it. Sorry but that just screams bad writing.
I feel like people are just not smart enough to find out Ambessa's true intention was. She's DESPERATE for power, she lost her son and nearly died herself to the black rose, it was shown she wanted to use the hextech for her own gain. She knew searching for Mel going blind isn't going to end well. She wants immortal army, which what Viktor could grant. She still wants hextech which is likely what Viktor promised, unbeknownst to them his true intention was to merge all humanity
my ability to respect her takes fall when she gets some narrative elements entirely wrong and didn't like some things because she wanted something else and then called it bad writing.
@@ciege7486 She fails to understand why Ambessa attacks Piltover. Despite Jayce and Viktor both telling us the motivation. If she wanted to attack the writing she should instead ask why Ambessa is in a position to NEED to attack piltover. How did Caitlyn manage to get Vi and a clearly 0 motivation Jinx away from the Noxian soldiers that had that commune surrounded. For example. There is bad writing mixed in Arcane Season 2. Mostly in Episode 6,8,9. But If you want to criticize something than you need to approach it from a position of understanding. There is also not a show a live that isn't full of examples of bad writing. We mostly ignore them because the bulk is good. Act 1 and 2 of season 2 are that.
@@maladismal except we do have an example of masterful writing, with characters having their arcs on screen and with only select few examples (if any) of bad writing. That would be arcane season 1. I liked season 2 but it's way worse in writing, every episode has a major problem and its themes are weaker. It's just so gorgeous and still rich in narrative details that it's enough for me to enjoy still.
Fish people? Fizz and Nami comes to mind Feminine robots? Because Viktor is the one who made them. They don't call him sick twink for nothing. That's how the glorious evolution looks like in his eyes, I guess
@@overthemoon34 what does that have to do with what I said? Steb doesn't have a confirmed species. Thats why I said it could be Vastaya or fishfolk or anything in between.
The writing in the first season was great. The characters, the setting, and the plot are beautifully interwoven through the concept of duality. You get Vender and Silco,l Vi and Jinx, Jayce and Heimmerdinger, Jinx and Powder, Hextech vs. Shimmer, and so many other things that are so carefully constructed with this concept in mind that work almost flawlessly. The second season was meant to be the continuation of that. But they couldn't continue using the same plot devises of the first season, so they needed to introduce more and give them a conclusion in the same amount of time. Also, yea fuck multiverses and all that metaphisical shit of the arcade and souls, and Viktor´s character development just makes him seem like he was high.
Good to hear that I rightfully didn't waste my time. I had a gut feeling it was bad from how everyone was acting around it but now I have confirmation from the lemon and these comments.
Very much disagree. Was the s2 perfect? No. But it was a phenomenal masterpiece. One thing that can be critisized is Black Rose plotline. Main plots of Arcane are Sisters, Hextech, Piltover/Zaun relationship. There are also many subplots that enrich and expand the story. Unfortunately Black Rose feels like is a subplot connected to a subplot without connecting to the main plot unlike other parts. That subplot fills a lot of runtime that could be filled with expanding rest of existing story. Thats correct. Arcane is a character driven story. If you don't pay attention to character's motivations, relationships and struggles you won't get it. Its not a plot driven story. Expecting plot as a driving force here is quite stupid. Ambessa's motivations are quite clear ever since she appeared in s1. If you didn't get it, you should give it a rewatch or ask someone to explain it to you. Arcane as a concept is purposly left to interpretation. Short explanation: Magic. That's it. Uncomprehesible power. Its quite obvious if you think about it. Show has no substance? Its almost like someone can't interpret/read subtext and underlaying messeging. Hint: Jinx-Silco converastion in ep8 with context of ep 7. Thats the substance spelled out for anyone that haven't gottenit yet. There could be more Jayce Victor scenes? Sure. There is still plenty to glain full understaing of their motivations and emotions. Fight scenes were weak? Thats pure subjective statement of course, but thats gotta be the most distastefull opinion I've ever heard. If you don't enjoy romance than maybe those parts of show are not for you rather than being bad? There is plenty of sense of inviding Piltover by Noxus. Ambessa hes plenty of reason from logical, being weapons and technology in general (for a warmongering nation) to personal: revenge, arrogance, grief. Viktor explains it in ep 6. Warwick/Vander plotline was a masterclass imo. The only thing that you could point out as a flaw is that his last form is not wolf-like enough. Music videos serve as a more artisitic way of storytelling. Show dont tell to the extreme level. Its not for everyone but its not a flaw of the show. It requires much more brain power to comprehend. These are just few pointers. I dont mean my comment as an insult but rather a frustration over media illiteracy. Its ok not not enjoy a show. Art is subjective. But you can still acknowledge something as well crafted and good while not enjoying it personally. Those two are separate. Just like you can adore something that is clearly even for you a hot garbage. Personally I never got into Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Simply can't watch more than 1 ep per month even though I enjoy that genre usually. But I still can recognize how well crafted were dialogues and characters and absolute genius casting.
She doesn't play League, she doesn't know lore nor does she care about it, she doesn't understand so it has to be bad - a classic these days. But one thing she is right about - it is rushed and it needed at least one more arc with 3 episodes.
yes the show is rushed originally they wanted the show to be 5 season but had to skim down to 2 because they only had 250m budget, that sound like alot but compair it to kungfu panda wich had 130m budget for 1h30p to arcane 2 season it not that much so alot has to be cut out and they did it pretty well from season 1 ambessa came to piltover not because of mel but because she wanted to weaponize hextech the show already told us alot and the start of season 2 also show us that she would do everything to gain hextech weapon even stage the caitlyn funeral attack to gain piltover trust , she care for her family but above all else she wanted power the reason she wanted to attack piltover as the show say directly to us is because she made a deal with viktor the noxians will help viktor get to the hextgated and viktor will provide her the immortal army which at that point is still under viktor control she doesn't have them yet viktor try to bargain with jayce to stand down but jayce refuse so that why they had to attack piltover The black rose if you excluding the lore in league exist in arcane to support mel backstory , explaining to us and mel her origin and further support the ambessa thirst for power by saying that mel existence is a living weapon to ambessa from the start and they also said that ambessa let her thirst for power blind her from viktor glorious evolution plan to convince mel help them fight ambessa because ambessa stoled something from them For the black rose lore why they involed in the viktor thing, tldr black rose exist to stop morderkaiser the death overlord of noxus from coming back to life and they search for power to one day if morderkaiser came back they can fight him with that power , also like they said ambessa stole something they deem powerfull from them. They didn't "shoehorn" black rose in because they hint that blackrose kill kino , mel brother from season 1 about the limit thing yes they have limit because they only had 250m for the project that they them self didn't know if this going to be success or not and if youre thinking that base on the reaction after season one they should have put more money into it then the thing it they can't because they being making this show from 2015, is 9 year making this project and by the time season 1 end season 2 already almost finished they dont have the time to make more of it , plus they mixed 2d art with 3d one, yes the model and movement came from a physic engine but they hand painting the model ,backgound , vfx so to changing the story at that point cost alot of time and money
Arcane 2 butchered the characters. Arcane 1 was at least somewhat based on League, Arcane 2 just said fuck that and did its own thing, which shocking to nobody, ended up being worse. The magic system in the show was fucking awful, making hextech basically unusable if following the lore. They also left out a ton of characters who absolutely should have been there, most notably Camile and Renata Glasc, arguably 2 of the most important characters in the entire region.
i think you dont like “show dont tell” shows. you like shows that holds your hand like a baby and explain everything and every reason why this or thats happening😅
To be fair, "show don't tell" isn't black and white and more of a scale. History of cinema knows plenty of movies with heavy exposition, but they are still respected among casual crowd (and sometimes critics too). I suppose, my biggest gripe with the second season is the lack of emotional connection to the plot. League players were confused to see some sudden changes (Viktor using lame space magic instead of relying on somewhat realistic tech comes to mind), Arcane viewers saw a lot of thick plot dumped in their brains. Visuals are fire, yeah, but the story itself would've worked better with just a few more episodes. Cutting out certain characters out would've helped too, because there was certainly a high amount of somewhat useless bloat. Sometimes less is more. The project became too ambitious for its own good.
@@redknight3306 I think they mostly "rushed" it in that they want to move onto other stories, they literally confirmed they have 3 new shows, one for Noxus, Ionia and Demacia respectively.
@@overthemoon34they’ve said that the pacing is intentional however many of the episodes were meant to be longer the final episode was originally 1 hr 30 m which is like 35 whole minutes of cut footage. Because they felt they were making it too long. But also especially for like noxus and other plot points I think they might have felt it would be weird or strange to add certain things into this season rather than explore it more in their next series as to not create a disconnect.
Arcane was a solid 8 out of 10 it wasn't a masterpiece but it was still very well-written and had very deep characters it has flaws and Act 3 season 2 was the weakest by far but to say it was bad you're taking the piss.
this isnt even the worst thing riot did, lorewise. turning xerath into a generic bad guy and obliterating the institute of war so that the very game format doesnt even make sense anymore all to hype up azir, i aint forgetting that. Jhin is great and the new fiddle is great, bit no other addition or change riot made to the lore was any good.
@@bottomlefto and making darkin into failed ascendants, especially what they did to my boy Varus. He was never couple of f*gs merged with a darkin, he was a noble warrior who sacrifised himself at his last stand.
@@6DarthSion9 Darkin aren't failed ascended, they're the ascended who fought against the Void for decades, thus being driven mad, with the death of Azir, it was literally only Nasus who could lead them, which caused him to hide away due to the pressure of commanding an entire army by himself, the Darkin learned blood magic to alter their appearance, becoming the creatures they are now, failed ascended are those like Xerath. Also, glad to know you're homophobic as well.
@@bottomlefto I can tell you literally don't know Xerath's lore, mainly because of the institute of war isn't canon, what actually happened is that Xerath was a slave, specifically Azir's slave, Azir was planning to free the slaves after he ascended (he told NO ONE about this, not even Xerath), due to this, Xerath believed that Azir wasn't going to actually free the slaves and keep them, so he pushed Azir out of the way during the ascension ritual (killing Azir) and causing him to become a failed Ascended, Renekton then trapped Xerath in a tomb with him. Despite that, Xerath is literally the most powerful mage on Runeterra and it's not even close, Ryze is probably the second most powerful.
quickest clip in the west, the channel lives another day
The problem wasn't how they wrote the show, the problem was how they shoehorned in more plot towards the end without resolving the Piltover-Zaun conflict. They left a large dangling plot thread and moved on.
The plot was the characters in both seasons. The conflict was just a catalyst and isn’t something that gets resolved. There’s always conflict to some extent. They got rid of martial law and reinstated the council and included a Zaunite as a council member. It’s not perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.
Justice for Heimerdinger
First season was a thought out self-contained story that worked really well, season 2 felt like they just wanted to set up their next shows with all the Noxus stuff and the plot from season 1 took a back seat to that. Like the Piltover and Zaun conflict which was the main theme of season 1 just gets resolved super quickly because now there's a billion other things happening. Lumi is right it needed another season to cook.
In my opinion try tried with season 1 but the writers must have changed for season 2. Its just not the same man.
Glad to see this channel post again
It's pretty telling when the best episode and relationship depicted was a completely alternate timeline straight couple. My boy Ekko should have stayed in that timeline...
And yes multiverses everywhere still sucks, the irony isn't lost on me there.
ironic that best episode was literally a filler that could show everything it did in...3 minutes? but then we now have no time to tell actual relevant story(that is still bad), the writing, pacing and overall narrative of s2 is such a mess.
@@sanderkiki It's wholesome well told filler meets rushed, chaotic, character destroying main plot. I feel like some priorities should have shifted in there somewhere lol.
but they do need to make it call back to the game. because the show is an adaptation of the game. you do it the other way around and now, riot is snapping the Machine Herald out of existence to retcon in this show's viktor into a game that has no place for him. doing this affects other champions' lore, especially blitzcrank, who lol viktor created.
worst part is that this isnt even the biggest or most blatant retcon riot has done. i highly doubt show watchers or newer players even know of the institute of war, the reason the game is called 'league of legends' or why the player is called 'summoner'
edit: this show is bad on its own, but from the perspective of someone who liked what lol lore used to be, it's nigh unbearable.
Xerath got done the most dirty be new lore. I remember back when he was essentially a libertarian mage who just wanted to be left alone and accidentally nuked everyone when they came to forcibly stop his magic experiments. Then they made him into just magic hitler satan for no reason, lame
@@Phoenix0F8 it's a bit different. he wanted to perform a ritual to make him immortal so he can study magic for eternity but he hesitated at the last moment to instead be with a girl he loves. but due to his hesitation, the ritual went wrong and she died. so with nothing to lose, he went through with the botched ritual, becoming living magic so he can pursue his original goal, though it is implied in his league judgement that he really did it make her death have meaning and so he can remember her forever. it's very poignant and you're right, he got done real dirty to hype up azir.
Yea that's a focal point in his lore, he made Blitz and his master just like Edison stole credit for it. Then he tried to distance himself from emotions by glorious evolution so anger will never distract him from progress.
@@bottomlefto guess than new lore is false emperor's propaganda.
Bro old lore was dog shit , with no cohesive structure what so ever.
And Arcane season 2 was rushed a but , but the writing still pretty good.
League lore was better before they started to retcon things. Especially Trundle's lore where they turned him from a heroic character who saved his tribe and sacraficed his own health and capabilities and joined the league to get a cure for the disease, then they retconned him into being a boring brain dead brute lackey under Lissandra.
Uhhh, I agree with the sentiment, but you know Trundle's original lore had him turn his back on the tribe, right? At the judgment, they tell him that the cure has weakened the tribe and he can save them by returning the curse. He tells the summoner that the tribe can kick rocks because they basically tricked him into thinking he'd be a hero if he suffered the curse for everyone. I really like the lore, it makes him an interesting and nuanced character, but I'd never refer to him as heroic.
It's rushed because of the Black Rose/Noxus plotline. They could have removed it and made Mel and Ambessa into a single character who just manipulates the Pilties into producing weapons for Noxus. Focus more on the war between Zaun and Piltover.
Things happen super fast. The attack on the memorial was on the morning, and by night the injured Jayce already fitted a whole new squad of Cait's new squad. Viktor made a whole utopia in a few days.
Singed being behind everything kinda fits since he's responsible for a lot of champ's backstory in League. For Arcane-only audience, I could see how he does feel like a plot device, though. Like the Doraemon of Arcane. Singed players are unhinged lunatics and they got the best fanservice. congrats
For retconned champs like Camille, well, very small hope for a new lore. I don't trust Riot to pay attention to champs that aren't named Yasuo, Jinx, or Lux.
With the Viktor rework, it's really beginning to feel like League is a game based on Arcane instead of the other way round.
Yea retconing League lore on the dog writing of the second one of the dumb ideas by RITO. But what can you expect from 200 years design?
0:35 She is right. I talked to a friend about the season 2.
He loved it. I pointed out that the writting was dog shit.
His only response was "yeah, but the animation is suuuuuuuper good tho".
Yeah, but the writting tho?
Listen, it was the best animation I've EVER seen.
bruh.
Why are people like this?
Why can't they see beyond the one shiny thing and try to look at the bigger picture.
It's so annoying.
The writing is actually pretty sharp except for the Viktor/Jayce storyline starting in episode 6 and the Black Rose/Mel/Ambessa stuff the entire season. Until episode 9 that is. Then everyone's writing nose dives. So to just look at the show and say bad writing is not looking at the bigger picture.
@@maladismal A show is literally about the writing.
Everything else is in service of the writing.
The writing IS the bigger picture.
@@maladismal Nah, ep 1-6 were horribly written as well
@@ciege7486 Give me a strong example.
@@Pers0n97 Except my point is that besides the final episode and couple moments prior to it over the season the writing was good? Thus saying the show has bad writing is false when most of the time it's the opposite.
My fav part of Arcane S02 is reading all the cope comments. Cuz S01 was so amazing, a lot of people just can't accept that 2 was awful, and jump through multiple hoops trying to make it make sense.
Season 2 really felt like the writers kept forgetting what the plot was every episode or two, and kept changing the plot to something else. Whole thing felt incredibly thematically confused and like they couldn't decide what story they wanted to tell.
I kinda figured they would drop the ball Season 2. It's a pattern with modern productions.
Funny enough the thing that stood out to on how it was rushed was they wanted to have the sex scene but also forgot to kill off the one chick.
So Caitlyn just cheats on a girl who actually liked her for the ex she couldn't get over where both would just straight up use each other and go behind each other's backs. (But OH THANK GOODNESS, she's evil, and if that wasn't enough, she's dead.
I didn't think much on it, but yeah for a show on the "Arcane" didn't really seem as significant as what was going on with Viktor.
Maddie was very much always a side piece to Cait, they don't kiss a single time and Cait very much isn't receptive to anything romantic Maddie did.
They made the robot twinks so it would make sense for Ambessa to ally with Viktor
They retcon Jinx, at the end of season 1 she became Jinx and Powder die, but in this season she is conflicted between both, and Vi said in part 1 of season 2 she Powder is dead now its only Jinx, only for that to be reversed once the pokemon, I mean the little girl tries to save her, after that shitCait becames a tyrant and oppressed the people of Zaun, Vi later forgot all that and Cait wanted to apologize because she fucked anorher girl, not for the people that she oppressed, that was for all the horny league shippers, I just liked Ekko in all of this shit.
Honestly? Besides being gay, Caitlyn is mega-based. "Oppressing" a bunch of retards who would rather worship a psychopath murderer because she's "one of them" cannot be considered a crime, these people obviously can't be trusted to take care of themselves. Additionally, she killed their criminal overlords and disassembled their meth production ring. Caitlyn is nothing but a hero.
Cait becoming totalitarian was one of the most interesting parts about the season imo, too bad they pussied out in the end
At least Singed got his happy ending
I think Lumi portraying Arcane doesn't mean she hated it. I believe she just felt disappointed with the ending and how things turned out in the show. You can't truly hate something you liked enough to watch all the way to the end.
Season 2 should've just centered around Jinx being a villain doing villain shit but of course she has to be redeemed in the end in the most hamfisted way possible because the modern audience can't handle stuff like that
I hate that they made women into mary sues in second season even though it started a little bit in the first season when Vi was taking on guys 3 times her size. And now Jayce has to take time off for weeks to get on his feet to climb a hill even though for years he spend ours of grooling work in his forge yet Cait whole life training as a sharpshooter now after few days training with Ambussy with scrambled insides by a dagger can go toe to toe with one of the strongest warriors in Noxus. Viktor turned from badass cyborg with a vision into wimp magical space cheesus.
Literally the most based opinion on the traversty that is Arcanse S2.
Call me when there's someone who blasts S2 while also reminding you that S1 was mediocre. That will be the pinnacle of based for me.
@@MasterDecoy1Wtruly based
@@MasterDecoy1Wsaying season 1 is also mediocre is just hate for hate's sake. It's not the best ever but it is good for what it is. Season 2 just sours it
@@falaflani4831 Facile world-building. Snubs fans of the actual characters and setting. Decent dialogue. Excellent art and cinematography. Hit-or-miss soundtrack. Contrivance-laden plot with powerful emotional highlights. I don't know what to call that besides mediocre.
@@MasterDecoy1W season 1 hit or miss soundtrack? Now u hating. Also u seem to have more good points than bad for season 1 so how is it mediocre?
pattern recognition
that this development was surprising to anyone is what is actually surprising. should have been able to see this from the very start of season 1 after a decade of similar instances. stop being neighbor cattle and remember what it was like to be a person with a soul and not a mindless consumer, please.
I was just wondering if using the term "neighbor cattle" in one of my responses was socially appropriate for this setting. Props for pushing the envelope.
She just completely misconstrued like major plot points? Genuinely everyone I’ve seen with an overall negative opinion on season 2 miss understands or outright didn’t even comprehend 75% of the season.
Do you have examples?
Agree, season 2 still have pretty good writing
@@BatBuuD Much of what she says about Ambessa and Singed is objectively incorrect, for example.
@maladismal that’s fair. But I agree with her overall sentiment. This was far from a good follow up to season 1.
Ambessa, didn't go crazy. She wanted Hextech/The Arcane from the start. We just find out at the end. She cared about family like Tywin Lannister did. And she seems to also want to use Hextech/The Arcane/Warwick (literally anything she can get) to vie for power in Noxus. And the Black Rose seems to be scared shirtless by The Arcane.
Ambessa is the driving force for the plot, everyone else is a bystander. And the point is that the Arcane is too wild to control so the people with more affinity to it (Jinx, Ekko, Viktor, Mel) are wildcards that people can't control.
But, yes, most of this is not explicitly stated. There are a hundred things you are supposed to "get" but aren't stated. Like the fact that Kino did die because Ambessa f*d around and found out. Or that Vander might be Jinx's biological dad.
I did feel uncomfortable on the stretched out prison seggs scene.
Singed is the driving force of the plot.
@@adurrezzak he's not, he's the tool that the actual driving forces USE to persue their goals, also Singed allies with anyone that will get him closer to his own goal (save his daughter)
She's literally me
They gutted Viktor, they defiled Vander, they removed half of P&Z from the lore, added a bunch of filler characters that served to only push the plot forward and nothing else
Apparently the last episode was supposed to be 1.5 hours long, but that doesn't fix the weird story.
I have a feeling that the Hexcore was supposed to be linked with the Void but they scrapped that idea and made up this arcane magic bullshit to fill the gaps. Just look at how voidy the hexcore and Viktor looked like in S1.
At least Ep7 was good.
How did they defile Vander?
@@ninjahaz0180 We all knew he was supposed to be Warwick and Vander the man was gone
But then he's completely able to recognize his daughters and vice versa, they even had a family reunion moment
Writing like this really brings down the impact of a death in the story
Not to mention they messed up with Warwick's design too, they kept him too human
I thought that was what the hexcore was gonna be with the release of belveth. They ruined viktor though
Oh my god finally someone based
16:36
W take from Wifejack Lumi
Wait… the Arcane is something, means something? As someone who saw season 1 but, doesn’t play League of Legends, I thought the title meant it was old and odd as a time period. Literally.
Based Lumi! Holy shit.
I enjoyed it quite a lot, I do think episode 8 seemed very rushed though, feels like they could have had another 3 episodes at least or in all honesty maybe another season
its not rush, its more like they had to cut the parts
because of Netflix and because they need to end the story cause season 3 is not possible since they still have to do other regions
So.... Its Rushed...
A correct opinion from Lumi? Did we jump timelines again?
Spread the truth!
I don't think you should be allowed to retcon if you have no connection to the original. Sure, you work at the company Riot who owns the League property, but if you don't have direct input from the people who created the character and have since moved on, you don't get to touch their lore or personality. League heroes should tell you something about their designer, but they kept sanding off all the edges (and fucking up my favorites) so I quit.
If they want to completely rewrite the lore, then let them do it with new characters and turn the previous cast into time capsules. They represent the myths and legends of history. Especially since the League itself is meaningless, it isn't like there's any reason to keep up the façade that all these characters somehow coexist.
What "retcon" are you talking about exactly? Also, the co-creator of Arcane has worked at Riot since before they actually changed the entire lore, he's worked at Riot since 2011.
@@overthemoon34 And yet the guy who actually created Vi, Jinx, and Ekko has nothing to do with Arcane. Do you think he appreciates his character concepts being looted, deemed unworthy, then grafted with a bunch of shit he never envisioned to make them "deep and relatable"? As to retcons, obviously Arcane itself is a retcon (don't talk to me about "alternate timelines" that shit is always fucking low-tier cope), but Lumi speaks of retcons generally towards the end of the video and that's what I was responding to.
@MasterDecoy1W Let's not act like characters like Vi and Jinx were unique or interesting, Jinx was literally made to be a Harley Quinn copy (very original) and Vi was meant to be police brutality the character (again, very original), the creators of those characters don't seem to care, at least not enough to talk about it, also, characters change all the time, what do you think reworks are?
@@overthemoon34 Them not speaking out is them not burning bridges in the industry. You might as well say someone who does not talk to the police is guilty.
You're talking about the archetypes, I'm talking about the lore. Vi, Jinx, Ekko, and Jhin were supposed to have connected pasts through a secret society. While Jhin didn't keep the focus on the idea with his release lore, nothing contradicted it, meaning it could still be fleshed out at a later date. Arcane absolutely tanked any possibility for that to happen by giving a complete backstory to the characters, explaining their names, and being pushed as the primary way that people will be introduced to them.
"Characters change all the time." Uh, okay. Houses burn down all the time, too. That doesn't make it good or natural. Most reworks are Riot being shit at balance, and others are Riot fishing for cash by upping a characters polygon count because zoomers can't into old graphics. Them doing it a lot doesn't make it right, it just means it nets them more money at the end of the day.
@MasterDecoy1W And yet there have been creators of champs who have said that TF and Graves were always meant to be gay. Lore changes, again, same thing happens with reworks, Aatrox used to be an alien, now he's a corrupted ascended that wants to end reality.
It does feel like s2 is more of a family show. s1 was wayyy more gritty and dark. The artstyle is also less sensical and more flashy. It feels like they took something complex and just ended it.
How can one Lemon be so based
Arcane has become a bunch of gay pandering with no actual story to tell.
The problem with the story isn’t that it’s gay nor is it that there’s no story because there is and it is interesting.
The problem is the second season was rushed to hell, for whatever reason I don’t know, but it definitely shows
@@Phantomcrustacean
They wasted time on pandering and making music videos than telling the story. Rushing is bad writing, the relationship junk was more than necessary and took time that should have been put in the actual plot. You're just making excuses.
Vi and Cait being into eachother is not something they sprang on us without building up to it in season 1. Season 2 is trash because it's rushed and lost its focus on grounded and mature storytelling; the end fightscene was basic marvel schlop and had remarkably little to say about the nature of violence like season 1 did. Sesbian Lex has remarkably little to do with the quality or lack thereof.
@@sparxskywriter2589 What excuse?
You’re right, too many scenes were blatant music videos, and some scenes were blatantly made for league fans to do the Leonardo DiCaprio meme, i don’t see how we’re on opposite sides here?
Not exactly true, but Jinx leaving the cell to khs, while Vi decides to smash Cait in the exact same cell where your sister was self flagellating and starving herself to death? Really? You finna do that here?
I noticed right away the fall in quality when the fight scenes weren't as fluid.
Like something was just missing that gave each fight impact.
Yeah, arcane season 2 lost me so hard after loving season one.
cant think of any other cartoons beating arcane really
while i enjoyed season 2, it is FAR weaker than 1. incredibly rushed (like everyone said), and when the fandom only really focuses on shallow events (gay sex), and nothing more meaningful, then yes, you know its a weak season.
still enjoyed it though. some moments shined through, but were too few and far between.
edit: i need to push back on Lumi here about Ambessa; she does actually make very clear why shes doing what shes doing
When Jayce blasted Viktor without any context that was it for me. Felt like it was a waste of time
it's even funnier when context is given and it even makes less sense for jayce to go gangsta on viktor. he was sent back to convince viktor with words and he was lucid enough to comprehend his mission. yet the first thing he does is flatten a dude's skull while his back was turned and evaporate vik's chest while acting like he was sky high on salts.
Lumi being based as fuck.
Well except for one thing. The physics engine stuff isn´t true. You can clearly tell by how some more extreme stuff like Jinx hair moves. That is not engine generated. That is hand animated just like the limbs
Where season 1 felt a lot more like a character driven plot, season 2 was all about having cool scenes and forcing charcters in to them / having some plot contrivance make it happen. For example it makes no sense that Viktor turned evil, he was willing to risk dieing to maintain Vanders mind but we are supposed to believe that he changed his mind on free will because Jayce failed to kill him, but also all that was needed for him to change back is thinking his plan through to it's logical conclusion, which he didn't so he needs to send his own memeories back through time via Jayce to learn it.
Sorry but that just screams bad writing.
I feel like people are just not smart enough to find out Ambessa's true intention was. She's DESPERATE for power, she lost her son and nearly died herself to the black rose, it was shown she wanted to use the hextech for her own gain. She knew searching for Mel going blind isn't going to end well.
She wants immortal army, which what Viktor could grant. She still wants hextech which is likely what Viktor promised, unbeknownst to them his true intention was to merge all humanity
my ability to respect her takes fall when she gets some narrative elements entirely wrong and didn't like some things because she wanted something else and then called it bad writing.
....Okay but that can be bad writing though, you'd need to actually explain why it is good for what you're saying to be worth anything
You said nothing and made strawmen. Step off
@@ciege7486 She fails to understand why Ambessa attacks Piltover. Despite Jayce and Viktor both telling us the motivation. If she wanted to attack the writing she should instead ask why Ambessa is in a position to NEED to attack piltover. How did Caitlyn manage to get Vi and a clearly 0 motivation Jinx away from the Noxian soldiers that had that commune surrounded. For example. There is bad writing mixed in Arcane Season 2. Mostly in Episode 6,8,9. But If you want to criticize something than you need to approach it from a position of understanding. There is also not a show a live that isn't full of examples of bad writing. We mostly ignore them because the bulk is good. Act 1 and 2 of season 2 are that.
@@maladismal except we do have an example of masterful writing, with characters having their arcs on screen and with only select few examples (if any) of bad writing. That would be arcane season 1. I liked season 2 but it's way worse in writing, every episode has a major problem and its themes are weaker. It's just so gorgeous and still rich in narrative details that it's enough for me to enjoy still.
Agreed! The creators mentioned the show was meant for 3-4 seasons but since the budget is so high, they had to squeeze everything into 2 seasons :(
I will only watch the Chinese version
Fish people? Fizz and Nami comes to mind
Feminine robots? Because Viktor is the one who made them. They don't call him sick twink for nothing. That's how the glorious evolution looks like in his eyes, I guess
glorious evolution to make everyone a glorious andoid femboy
Tbf, Fizz and Nami aren't the same as the fish people of Bilgewater, Nami is a Vastaya and Fizz is a yordle.
@@overthemoon34 Well we don't know if people like Steb are supposed to be Fishfolk or Vastaya or maybe even half Vastaya like Sett.
@@wavemoon Except we do, the fishfolk aren't Vastaya, same way that Minotaurs aren't Vastaya either.
@@overthemoon34 what does that have to do with what I said? Steb doesn't have a confirmed species. Thats why I said it could be Vastaya or fishfolk or anything in between.
The writing in the first season was great. The characters, the setting, and the plot are beautifully interwoven through the concept of duality. You get Vender and Silco,l Vi and Jinx, Jayce and Heimmerdinger, Jinx and Powder, Hextech vs. Shimmer, and so many other things that are so carefully constructed with this concept in mind that work almost flawlessly. The second season was meant to be the continuation of that. But they couldn't continue using the same plot devises of the first season, so they needed to introduce more and give them a conclusion in the same amount of time. Also, yea fuck multiverses and all that metaphisical shit of the arcade and souls, and Viktor´s character development just makes him seem like he was high.
She is not wrong but also very wrong
I'm happy to know I'm not the only one who thought S2 was bad.
Thought this channel was dead
Good to hear that I rightfully didn't waste my time. I had a gut feeling it was bad from how everyone was acting around it but now I have confirmation from the lemon and these comments.
Very much disagree. Was the s2 perfect? No. But it was a phenomenal masterpiece.
One thing that can be critisized is Black Rose plotline. Main plots of Arcane are Sisters, Hextech, Piltover/Zaun relationship. There are also many subplots that enrich and expand the story. Unfortunately Black Rose feels like is a subplot connected to a subplot without connecting to the main plot unlike other parts. That subplot fills a lot of runtime that could be filled with expanding rest of existing story. Thats correct.
Arcane is a character driven story. If you don't pay attention to character's motivations, relationships and struggles you won't get it. Its not a plot driven story. Expecting plot as a driving force here is quite stupid.
Ambessa's motivations are quite clear ever since she appeared in s1. If you didn't get it, you should give it a rewatch or ask someone to explain it to you.
Arcane as a concept is purposly left to interpretation. Short explanation: Magic. That's it. Uncomprehesible power. Its quite obvious if you think about it.
Show has no substance? Its almost like someone can't interpret/read subtext and underlaying messeging. Hint: Jinx-Silco converastion in ep8 with context of ep 7. Thats the substance spelled out for anyone that haven't gottenit yet.
There could be more Jayce Victor scenes? Sure. There is still plenty to glain full understaing of their motivations and emotions.
Fight scenes were weak? Thats pure subjective statement of course, but thats gotta be the most distastefull opinion I've ever heard.
If you don't enjoy romance than maybe those parts of show are not for you rather than being bad?
There is plenty of sense of inviding Piltover by Noxus. Ambessa hes plenty of reason from logical, being weapons and technology in general (for a warmongering nation) to personal: revenge, arrogance, grief. Viktor explains it in ep 6.
Warwick/Vander plotline was a masterclass imo. The only thing that you could point out as a flaw is that his last form is not wolf-like enough.
Music videos serve as a more artisitic way of storytelling. Show dont tell to the extreme level. Its not for everyone but its not a flaw of the show. It requires much more brain power to comprehend.
These are just few pointers. I dont mean my comment as an insult but rather a frustration over media illiteracy. Its ok not not enjoy a show. Art is subjective. But you can still acknowledge something as well crafted and good while not enjoying it personally. Those two are separate. Just like you can adore something that is clearly even for you a hot garbage. Personally I never got into Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Simply can't watch more than 1 ep per month even though I enjoy that genre usually. But I still can recognize how well crafted were dialogues and characters and absolute genius casting.
She doesn't play League, she doesn't know lore nor does she care about it, she doesn't understand so it has to be bad - a classic these days. But one thing she is right about - it is rushed and it needed at least one more arc with 3 episodes.
@@lextutor4682 I'd say not even season. Black rose was a significant portion of the show. If they replaced that it would be just enough time
Based
hmm it had some REALLY good scenes (khiah khiah XD) but the season 1 was lot better overall.
Black rose is kinda intertwined in everything. So yeah they are pretty bad
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
The writers of arcane did not give a single fuck about about the lore. the halo show was more respectful to the lore XD
yes the show is rushed originally they wanted the show to be 5 season but had to skim down to 2 because they only had 250m budget, that sound like alot but compair it to kungfu panda wich had 130m budget for 1h30p to arcane 2 season it not that much so alot has to be cut out and they did it pretty well
from season 1 ambessa came to piltover not because of mel but because she wanted to weaponize hextech the show already told us alot and the start of season 2 also show us that she would do everything to gain hextech weapon even stage the caitlyn funeral attack to gain piltover trust , she care for her family but above all else she wanted power the reason she wanted to attack piltover as the show say directly to us is because she made a deal with viktor the noxians will help viktor get to the hextgated and viktor will provide her the immortal army which at that point is still under viktor control she doesn't have them yet
viktor try to bargain with jayce to stand down but jayce refuse so that why they had to attack piltover
The black rose if you excluding the lore in league exist in arcane to support mel backstory , explaining to us and mel her origin and further support the ambessa thirst for power by saying that mel existence is a living weapon to ambessa from the start and they also said that ambessa let her thirst for power blind her from viktor glorious evolution plan to convince mel help them fight ambessa because ambessa stoled something from them
For the black rose lore why they involed in the viktor thing, tldr black rose exist to stop morderkaiser the death overlord of noxus from coming back to life and they search for power to one day if morderkaiser came back they can fight him with that power , also like they said ambessa stole something they deem powerfull from them. They didn't "shoehorn" black rose in because they hint that blackrose kill kino , mel brother from season 1
about the limit thing yes they have limit because they only had 250m for the project that they them self didn't know if this going to be success or not and if youre thinking that base on the reaction after season one they should have put more money into it then the thing it they can't because they being making this show from 2015, is 9 year making this project and by the time season 1 end season 2 already almost finished they dont have the time to make more of it , plus they mixed 2d art with 3d one, yes the model and movement came from a physic engine but they hand painting the model ,backgound , vfx so to changing the story at that point cost alot of time and money
Based Lumi, finally someone cares about the writing
Arcane 2 butchered the characters. Arcane 1 was at least somewhat based on League, Arcane 2 just said fuck that and did its own thing, which shocking to nobody, ended up being worse. The magic system in the show was fucking awful, making hextech basically unusable if following the lore. They also left out a ton of characters who absolutely should have been there, most notably Camile and Renata Glasc, arguably 2 of the most important characters in the entire region.
i think you dont like “show dont tell” shows. you like shows that holds your hand like a baby and explain everything and every reason why this or thats happening😅
To be fair, "show don't tell" isn't black and white and more of a scale. History of cinema knows plenty of movies with heavy exposition, but they are still respected among casual crowd (and sometimes critics too). I suppose, my biggest gripe with the second season is the lack of emotional connection to the plot. League players were confused to see some sudden changes (Viktor using lame space magic instead of relying on somewhat realistic tech comes to mind), Arcane viewers saw a lot of thick plot dumped in their brains. Visuals are fire, yeah, but the story itself would've worked better with just a few more episodes. Cutting out certain characters out would've helped too, because there was certainly a high amount of somewhat useless bloat. Sometimes less is more. The project became too ambitious for its own good.
@@redknight3306 I think they mostly "rushed" it in that they want to move onto other stories, they literally confirmed they have 3 new shows, one for Noxus, Ionia and Demacia respectively.
@@overthemoon34they’ve said that the pacing is intentional however many of the episodes were meant to be longer the final episode was originally 1 hr 30 m which is like 35 whole minutes of cut footage. Because they felt they were making it too long. But also especially for like noxus and other plot points I think they might have felt it would be weird or strange to add certain things into this season rather than explore it more in their next series as to not create a disconnect.
Based lumi boomi.
Now she must fist fight erina an lia in a 1v2
Arcane was a solid 8 out of 10 it wasn't a masterpiece but it was still very well-written and had very deep characters it has flaws and Act 3 season 2 was the weakest by far but to say it was bad you're taking the piss.
Bad opinion go watch it
what is a good show to her
Season 1
Not Arcane Season 2.
That couple was just a head canon for some. They turned it into reality. And it fucking sucked.
It literally was hinted at since Vi's release, where it was pretty much confirmed before Arcane even released.
@@overthemoon34 She was only made to be that thing in 2023. So no, she wasn't released like that.
@@KV_GunEnjoyer You literally listen to the voice lines, did you?
@@overthemoon34 I've played League for a long time, friendo. I know what i'm talking about.
😂💀?
As someone who thought s1 was near flawless, this is a based take.
Shes so right
its even worse for people who actually liked the original lore of league
this isnt even the worst thing riot did, lorewise. turning xerath into a generic bad guy and obliterating the institute of war so that the very game format doesnt even make sense anymore all to hype up azir, i aint forgetting that. Jhin is great and the new fiddle is great, bit no other addition or change riot made to the lore was any good.
And style. I love original Jinx introduction video, she looks absolutely beautiful there. In fact I went and rewatched it again now.
@@bottomlefto and making darkin into failed ascendants, especially what they did to my boy Varus. He was never couple of f*gs merged with a darkin, he was a noble warrior who sacrifised himself at his last stand.
@@6DarthSion9 Darkin aren't failed ascended, they're the ascended who fought against the Void for decades, thus being driven mad, with the death of Azir, it was literally only Nasus who could lead them, which caused him to hide away due to the pressure of commanding an entire army by himself, the Darkin learned blood magic to alter their appearance, becoming the creatures they are now, failed ascended are those like Xerath. Also, glad to know you're homophobic as well.
@@bottomlefto I can tell you literally don't know Xerath's lore, mainly because of the institute of war isn't canon, what actually happened is that Xerath was a slave, specifically Azir's slave, Azir was planning to free the slaves after he ascended (he told NO ONE about this, not even Xerath), due to this, Xerath believed that Azir wasn't going to actually free the slaves and keep them, so he pushed Azir out of the way during the ascension ritual (killing Azir) and causing him to become a failed Ascended, Renekton then trapped Xerath in a tomb with him. Despite that, Xerath is literally the most powerful mage on Runeterra and it's not even close, Ryze is probably the second most powerful.