A good ol' fashioned lore video, feels like a while since I last made one! Hope y'all enjoy, big ups to Pilot 11A and everyone else who suggested this for a video! Next time - SOME REACH PC NEWS :D Hope you enjoy!
@Slavic I'm playing CE right now brother. When you pull trigger and hold it, it unloads the whole magazine unlike every other halo game where you have to pull every shot you want.
I always chalked it up to the Covenant fleet in CE being an Elite fleet whereas the fleet in Reach was actually multiple fleets converging on one major target. Elites and Brutes don't work well together so it makes sense to me at least that Thel Vadam's fleet wouldn't have Brutes. As for drones, I can't say
you could also say that brutes hadn't the right of landing in the rings, but the elites had since they are the guard of the profets, so in order to protect the halos, they would have been given the duty and right of landing into the rings
@@StealthTheFoxz I always bring the gravity hammer and machine gun turret with me to take care of the drones in the tunnels right before the barracks in Crows Nest. I usually have ammo and charges left over to take care of some of the brutes inside too. Or I abduct poor Johnson and take him with me to use as an over shield, he's quite deadly wielding the black eye skull.
Halo 2 legendary has made me despise drones, I swear to god they don’t have 1 hit kills to the head, or if they do it is so ridiculously small for how much damage they do it’s stupid.
I like to think why brutes were only in the game for reach was because the Covenant likely deployed them to heavily populated areas, while deploying the elites to militarized zones.
I miss Brutes, and Drones, and Huragok, and Skirmishers, and all the varied covenant weapons and vehicles. The covenant has become much less diverse in more recent games, now it’s all just elites, grunts, jackals, and the occasional pair of hunters. And just plasma pistols, storm rifles, carbines, etc. Hope in infinite they bring back some weapons, vehicles, and enemies.
I think the worst part about the situation is the shit stew of lore that explains it. For example 343 basically said brutes became savages again on their homeworld after 3 since there was no clear goal anymore which is a spit in the face to Halo fans in my opinion.
Worse part is that they were replaced by really mediocre forerunner drones, and prometheans. I still dont like prometheans, not how they look, or how they fight.
Yes. Bring back revenants, spectres, choppers, anti-air Wraiths, rocker warthogs, elephants, and Covenant landing platforms. Demand it fans! We also need yanme, sentinel enforcers, skirmishers, and brutes back.
I fell the same way about Star Wars. Star Wars used to how Republic and Imperial hover tanks. In addition to rebel alliance speeder tanks, hailfire droids (almost never see them in canon now), snail tanks, tri droid tanks, more stormtrooper variants, rebel artillery vehicles, imperial artillery tanks, stormcommandos, evo troopers, and dark troopers. They need to bring all of that back along with a larger variety of weapons including quad repeaters, WESTAR blaster rifles, and arc blasters (electric guns).
@@Luis519RS Prometheans were interesting in Halo 4 imo. Everything sucks in Halo 5. The halo 4 marines, Spartan IVs, and Covenant designs are what bothered me. I actually like the concept of Spartan IVs and humanity becoming more powerful. I just don't like the personality of the Spartan IVs, not a huge fan of their armor, and their AI sucked in Halo 4.
Because Halo: CE took place only on the first Halo ring, and the Covenant Fleet that had followed the Pillar of Autumn was entirely in Elite command. Elites and Brutes did not mingle otherwise. That's why during greater conflicts in Halo 2, 3, ODST, and Reach, we saw more varied troop configurations. There, saved you 9 minutes.
The fleet led by Thel Vadam was directly responsible for attacking the Pillar of autumn , and it makes sense that he had no brutes under his command . But the truth of it is that Halo 1 was made back in 2000(?) and was an Xbox launch title . Bungie didn’t have brutes or skirmishers or drones even thought out yet (or engineers).
That's and halo wars 2 shows us that a good amount of brutes are off doing a different thing (a sort of brute civil war with the brutes who stayed with the covenant dying in the covvie-human war mostly and those that left surviving). Elites and brutes didn't mix, but elites were mostly loyal to their own so they survived better after the inner-covenant-civil-war.
I've lost count of how many times I finished Halo 2 when I was a kid, and according to MCC statistics I have like 60 hours dedicated to Halo 2 campaign... and until now I realized that the first time we fight the Brutes is when Master Chief arrives at High Charity in the level Gravemind, very late in the game. That is also the last level in the Bungie Trilogy where we fight Elites, subtle way to telling us that the Brutes were the new enemy while the Elites became new allies...
I'll always appreciate ODST as the game that Really got me into halo. Before then, I only really owned a ps1 and ps2 so I never got to try halo. Halo 4 was my first one and although it was interesting, I kind of just ignored it for a long time. (Played it here and there, mostly multiplayer) It wasn't Until I got ODST with a bundle of Xbox 360 games for Christmas and man! That game made me really want to play the other halos.
JokingSteak Halo CE was my first but Reach is my favorite. Haven't' got to try ODST yet but I just bought the MCC. I am expecting ODST to be up there with Reach as my favorite. 343 Halo games are not very good imo.
Simple answer: They just weren’t conceptualized at the time of CE For lore reasons, I guess that they simply weren’t present on the fleet that chased them.
@@keihze25 you don't need to. It's the most simple and obvious answer. They weren't in CE because Bungie hadn't created them yet. In lore reasons, the Brutes simply weren't a part of the fleet that followed the Pillar of Autumn.
@@jaidenlestrelle9460 That's pretty standard grunt behaviour and I cannot tell weather that was just the AI messing up or they are canonically that stupid.
@@zytha2890 nothing like a post hoc explanation! id love to see the post hoc explanation for the homing rockets as well among countless other things. the in universe explanation for this is just a load of bullshit, but everyone already knows that.
i vaguely recall the brutes were first mentioned near the end of the novel 'the fall of reach'. one brute single handedly choked john and the pack easily outwrestled blue team. blue team managed to squirm their way out but at the cost of one of their team member's life. they used the nuclear reactor pack in the mjolnir to blow up the covie ship. or something like that. and yes they weren't invented yet in-game. so all this post hoc explanation to fit the lore is a fallacy lol but i like the creativity in it
The way I see it is maybe they were testing the brutes with a few missions on reach, then by the the events of halo 1 they just weren't apart of the ships that followed the pillar of autumn. And the drones simply weren't necessary for attacking the surviving marines on the halo ring as they were moreso used for massive raids and strikes on low armored targets. Like for example being used in New Mombasa against the police and civilians, or in halo 3 when they send them into the base once the covenant managed to infiltrate it
Warrior of Virtue ODST is a weird one though, because it occurs just after Regrets fleet fled to the Delta Halo, and Truths fleet arrives at Earth (which is why in ODST you don’t fight any elites; the brutes from Truths fleet killed most of them).
@@zombiecarnivore In ODST, i'm pretty sure the devs didn't really know when to have to Brutes start killing the elites, it was likely just supposed to be an easter egg but it happens way too early. It shouldn't have happened until one of the later missions.
If you are in touch with Destiny Lor, Zavala from Destiny is deeply inspired from the ideals that made lord hood. Obsessed with protecting his home (earth) and never leaving it. So in short. the first 4 years after the battle of Earth he doesnt leave until 2557. But man after he boards infinity that year he does all kinds of shit, Fights innies, Peace Talks, Covert Ops, Barely escaping cortana in a prowler class ship. Now estranged on a weird planet until he can get a resistance together, he actually was last heard about post halo 5 getting drunk and depressed he ever let chief come back into service after halo 4 and feels completely responsible for cortana going rogue
Man, justice for the drones. As far as I know, they’ve never been central characters in any halo stories. All the other covenant races have, even the hunters in the halo wars 2 dlc. They’re a really unique species that deserves more time in the spotlight.
In Reach is even worse, they just show up 3 times in the entire game, and are totally forgetable. First appearance: Tip of the spear, in one of the AA-guns 2°:New alexandria, in one of the buildings 3°:I forget, but in one cave like place
Maybe because this version of covenant break apart because of the events in halo 2 when sanghelies became our allies so their numbers were cut to small number
@Andy Gygi And the rest went back to their homeworld and such but their natural instincts took over and began to fight each other. They are, bottom line, pure barbarians with no regard for other lives, only kept in line by the San'Shyuum. Once that order disappeared, so did the Brutes' sense of order
Andy Gygi yeah and I read that the Brutes went back to those savage ways once the covenant dissolved. Obviously as people said, some joined Jul m’Dama and some joined the Banished, but a lot of them went back home and alas, primitive instincts took over
@Andy Gygi Brutes are predictable. Damage them enough and they'll drop their weapons and charge you. Just need a close range weapon handy so you can blast them away with a shotgun or an Energy Sword
Also something interesting about halo 2 Tartarus. Before the level: “Uprising” Tartarus has a normal golden Shoulder plate. After Uprising he has an Elite skull strapped to the gold shoulder piece. Pretty interesting thing that most wouldn’t notice. It’s also in H2A
I just watched a video showing all the cutscenes for H2A, I gotta say that I'm surprised I never noticed that before, It's not even really hard to see either. Thanks for pointing that out dude.
But the brutes WERE on earth. Blue Team, minus Chief, we’re deployed to Havana to protect a space elevator from a Brute detachment sent to seize it. This was at the beginning of the Ghosts of Onyx novel
eric oliver once they completed the mission they were recalled to Cairo Station and sent on a distress call from Onyx, this beginning the events of the book
The Halo books, The Flood, Fall of Reach, First Strike etc were all absolutely incredible reads. Truly dug deep into the Lore of Halo and gave you a proper idea of who you were playing and who you were fighting against.
I really want an official class style show (think the armory mixed with lore and theory) where we learn more about the non combat parts of each culture ex we have no clue what earth's map looks like. We know nothing of what the covenant do to colonized worlds interns if infrastructure. It would also be great to learn what happened during the 400 years between now and halo!
You forgot halo 3 ODST takes place right after the slipspace jump, and they mainly fought brutes, which the chief should have saw given the number of brutes and how immediately they were encountered right after the jump
Tbf, the lore in odst is confusing as immediately after the jump, there are already signs of fights between elites and brutes with the dead elite bodies plus literally no sign of living ones. In Halo 2 the rebellion between the elites and brutes happened a while AFTER the jump.
I've had the idea of the brutes as some times being deployed as the covenant's anti civilian troops who don't mind getting their hands dirty. Elites probably found targeting civilian populaces and slaughtering them to be dishonourable so they left it to the brutes since they really don't care. And besides, while a 7ft sleek alien cutting down people with ease with clean energy weapons sure is scary, a giant hairy gorilla ripping people to shreds and shooting them with crude hammers and needle guns and eating them all while doing a loud roar is way more scary. In warfare civilian populaces are targeted to invoke terror into the defending populace and demoralise them so brutes seem better for the job
Pretty much dead on, you'd deploy Brutes to some areas and deploy Elites to another. Keep them separate to avoid incidents. Brutes fight each other quite often as shown in some cutscenes, so it only seems logical that they'd fight the Elites given the chance. The tactic with Brutes is also to send them against a general area and let them fight, Elites are a more precise strike and would be more effective against UNSC positions.
The Chief did meet brutes way before Halo 2, well technically after Halo 1 starts the book is First Strike. And What about Halo 3 ODST we can clearly see that brutes were deployed after the slipspace jump in Mombasa
Chief wasn't on earth during the aftermath of the jump, as he was on the ship that chased Regret's ship through the jump, hence why he ended up on Delta Halo.
I liked the aftermath of Reach and the assault on the unyielding hierophant in First Strike. I just wondered, why he or Cortana seem to dont know that brutes existed, because the Brutes kinda started the war on Harvest, according to 'Contact Harvest'?
Rene Zimmer just re read that book, and honestly, they probably just need to retcon that line. It was meant to introduce expanded universe fans to the Brutes before they were introduced in halo 2, although it’s also entirely possible that Cortana or Chief had never encountered brutes before.
If I still had my Halo ce disk I would but I lost those. I saw that but it still doesn't make sense.... Brutes were simply not in the arbiter's fleet clean and simple YOU DON"T MIX BRUTE AND ELITE FLEETS IT"S NOT GOOD (unless your the banished and have no choice but the banished did not fight the pillar of autum so :P) I mean did you not see how the brutes treated the honor guards when they were taking their armor in halo 2 let alone how they treated each other? The Brutes and the Elites never got along with each other
The skirmishers also disappeared after reach. I remember seeing them for the first time and thinking they were super awesome! Like nothing I’d seen in the Halo games before. I first some in a site before reach was released and it was listing the enemies. Never really knew to much about those guys but they were an awesome enemy
only two that went to full on useless situations the first one got shot down into the oblivion the second falcon was used to give cover fire to evacuations and life boats buttt now I think the second falcon was put to some good use
@@Seriona1 Well, it makes sense that they may have taken a few falcons from Reach from troops trying to make it off planet, but yeah they should have had hornets really.
For the drones, I came up with a little bit of head-canon: While it had no Brutes, the fleet of Particular Justice did have Drones when it arrived on Reach, however, Drone numbers fell drastically during the fall of Reach, with mass casualties in New Alexandria and Azod. Meaning Thel 'Vadamee didn't have sufficient numbers to deploy Drones in masses when reaching Halo(no time to resupply due to chasing the Autumn). So he only deployed Drones in mass assaults and selective defensive positions, some of them sporadic due to the meddling of his fleet's minor prophet, which is why they are seen in Fireteam Raven, but not CE.
The reasons Brutes only appear in New Alexandria and Aszod etc... is because they're the remnants of the Fleet of Valiant Prudence that you almost destroyed in the mission Long Night of Solace of H:R's campaign, the Super carrier was their flagship and with it destroyed the remaining corvettes went to attack an space station near one of Reach's moons containing a Forerunner artifact then went back to the surface of the planet to escape the MACs after they failed , if they have stayed in orbit they would have been slaughtered, and the Brutes also love playing with Human civilians so there's that
@@Connor8609 you can read it on the oficial Halo wiki , but the information is really short because most of it refers to the Fall of Reach novel unless you click on the specific timeline of the battle (Reach)
@Tojf are you just blindly dropping hate on Reach or do you have an actual explanation for the video? No? then stop calling a story not canon because it is and its coming to PC soon for a reason
In my head cannon, brutes and some drones are deployed AFTER the Covenant takes over battlefields. Elites and other major teams of the Covenant attack first, defeating the majority of the human resistance, and once humans are weakened, Brutes and drones are deployed to pick off stragglers. This would explain why they show up in New Alexandria on Reach once it’s fallen and in ODST after all the elites and other Covenant leave New Mombasa.
Haha definitely not, and honestly I don't think I'd ever consider it. I never wanted to work in game dev, funnily enough I wanted to be an actor before YT became a possibility lol
If I'm remembering right, in Contact Harvest, it was stated that Elites believed Brutes to be so far below them, some shipmasters wouldn't tolerate Brutes on their ships or in their fleet. That's why Brutes usually got crappy ships past their prime and squads of Drones as repair crew/cannon fodder while Elites got Engineers because they were the better maintenance crew.
Reason why Brutes weren’t with Regrets fleet was that Regret always preferred Elites to Brutes. So him having Elites as his 2nd in commands meant no Brute underlings.
What about the brutes in ODST?! That happens the same day that In Amber Clad follows regret! In ODST we see the start of brute vs elite fighting, in Buck's first mission.
It happens about 3 or 4 days before the great shicism and during it truth ordered brutes on earth to kill the elites since the prophets wanted thr brutes to protect snd guard them
But aren't the enemies in ODST from regret's fleet? His carrier leaves at the start of the game and Truth's fleet doesn't show up until the end, therefore you have to assume they were from Regret's group, tons of Brutes there, enough even to overpower and kill the elites.
I appreciate you acknowledged the 'actual' reason, that it was just the natural progression of the game and they were simply created for "new stuff" in the following games before diving into head-cannon. I remember when Combat Evolved was first released (with the "X-Box exclusive" tag and everything), feels like a literal age ago.
If you look at when the Brutes appear in ODST and Reach it hints to an interesting role the Brutes play pre-Schism. They are seemingly mainly used as civilian hunter squads. Let loose in highly populated centers after the Elites and the more controlled and organized forces have cleared out the organized and strategic military resistance. I always assumed that the Arbiter's fleet never had Brutes in it. Instead they came with later invasion forces to lock down through fear and brutality the areas taken by te Elites. That would be a good way to crush revolutions, a clan of brutes set loose with almost no restrictions
what about ODST, it took time for truths fleet to arrive on earth, atleast a whole day according to the campaign, on the ground were only brutes, jackals, grunts and hunters, immediately after the drop in Bucks mission you come across a mass execution of elites by the brutes pretty much the minute regret left earth
Better than fighting bloody engineers, i swear it's so annoying that when you're trying to kill a few grunts and suddenly they've got shields and you've got to chase a floating squid halfway across the map.
When a Halo is activated the weapon begins siphoning "vacuum energy" from the surrounding space to charge Halo's main firing mechanism. This is why the Delta Halo and Alpha Halo-B both took time to "charge," as Cortana puts it in Halo 3, before firing.
Because the rings need to charge up enough energy to cleanse an entire galaxy of life, in Halo 3 when you fire the ring it has to charge while you drive to the Forward Unto Dawn.
Halo Wars 2 mentioned that the Brutes under the Covenant were like expendable shock troops always deployed by a solid 50 units. It would then make sense that Brutes would be seen scarcely on the battlefield.
As someone who recently finished studying all current cannon lore on the fleets your correct on the accounts of specialist drops and not being in certain fleets. Also the drones are like jackals and have a agreement to work together but the drones conditions is that they fight where they want and get to colonize and prioritize making nests off the jump. Halo ODST and some of the novels help to back this up as well by describing how they (the drones) function and fight during invasions.
I’ve been binge watching these videos. And I think there is a small problem with this timeline, ODST. In ODST the covenant you encounter as Sgt Buck are from what was left of Regrets Fleet which mean that brutes where there. And due to the dead Elites that appeared to have been killed by Brutes the great Schism had began earlier that previously thought.
Since regret's fleet was just a simple expedition it makes sense for only Elites to be with him. Brutes were typically used as shock troops and since he wasn't prepared for an invasion, they wouldn't have been with him.
well, you could use a made up resource like, for example, that no one had the right to land in the halos, since those are sacred for the covenant, but the elites were the holly protectors of the profets, so if the rings were profaned by (in this case) humans, it makes sanse that the guards of the holy profets and their supports would have the right to land on the ring in order to protect them but halo ce ended with halo destroyed, and the profets mad for the elites incompetence, so it also makes sense that in halo 2 both elites and brutes (and drones) must have fought humans and the parasite in reach it does seem logical to see brutes, cause they are not in a sacred ring, but enemy's planet, so every attack force fights
i always thought drones was too much of a chore to fight tbh. I wasnt really sad to see them gone. The one mission in reach where they appear in that cave, is probably one of the worst... Not necessarily missions, but worst "area" in the game. Brutes were always an interesting enemy, as long as they arent the only enemy. Which was a Glaring issue in Halo 3 and especially ODST, which had no flood.
I prefer The Fall of Reach original novel that ties into Halo CE game. I just consider the 1st halo book Lore over the Game and the game as a retelling the Fall of Reach from the Spartans 3 perspective compared Spartan' s 2 that were all on Pillar of Autumn.
one topic I never understood in transition from Reach to CE was Cortana in the end of Reach seems like Cortana had just been created but the beginning of CE gives the impression that she and Master Chief know each other from a long time
If I remember the lore right what Noble 6 delivers to the Pillar of Autumn is a fragment of Cortana that Halsey had condensed all the Forerunner data and whatnot she and her team had found on Reach to then be merged with the baseline Cortana that was based on Halsey's own neural pathways that was on the Pillar of Autumn. This interpretation allows both the game events and earlier Fall of Reach books to both sorta work together as being canon. This also explains why Cortana is preternaturally good at interfacing with Forerunner and Covenant networks(which are based on Forerunner constructs) and why Cortana's "Blind Jump" had them end up at the first Halo because the location data had been found on Reach and Noble Team delivering the Package is what allows the Master Chief's actions in the Halo Trilogy. Incidentally this 'Forerunner Upgrade Package" also probably should have made Cortana immune to rampancy as Forerunner AIs are extremely stable at least in terms of longevity. But 343i wanted to make the most beloved positive AI character pull a Skynet rather than have Cortana and Chief just explore the galaxy, fight Covenant extremists/stragglers and uncover more mysteries of the Forerunners.
@@marcolima89 The algorithm randomly had this video pop up, probably because it knows I replayed the Reach campaign recently and I happened to see your comment scrolling down and thought I'd answer.
Why is this important fact about the book The Flood missed? Covenant species had been at Installation 04 for a few months before Chief arrived. Drones could have already been there.
Being someone that never got the chance to fully try out halo, i am pretty hyped to finally get the chance to play this iconic game series. And i have been having a blast playing reach. There is just something about the gameplay that makes it really satisfying, compared to other games that are waaay quicker on the ttk in their games
How would Halo compare to the game Stellaris in real life comparisons not game mechanics? Would a faction like the Forerunners or Ancient Humanity compare to Endgame civilizations, Awaken Empires, Precursor Empires, or Crisises (Contingency, Unbidden, Prethoryn Scourge, AI Uprising, and the End Of the Cycle) at full strength?
Holy crap I just came up with a theory to explain all the interpertations of the fall of reach. ONI no doubt did a cover-up, and a lot of the information about the event would be covered in black ink. The various interpertations are just that, interpertations. People filling in the blanks with whatever made sense. There was also likely false information given out by ONI as well, which would definately screw with the information given.
What your suggesting is... actually pretty realistic and could help validate the discrepancies. On a side note, devout book fans may attack you for what they consider heresy.
@@markmulder9845 And that theory keeps bungies filosophy that games come first in a game series functioning without discrediting the books. Good theory.
Master Chief does encounter drones on Earth in Halo 2. On the level “Outskirts” while you’re going through the tunnels, some drones fly by you when you ramp some debris.
How would the Forerunners compare to factions in Warhammer 40k like the Imperium, Tau, Eldar, Old Ones, Necrons, and more? From my point of view they are far more powerful and technologically far superior then even the Necrons and Old Ones.
The Imperium would grind them into the dirt. Tua, either dirt grinding or mind control. Eldar, dirt. I'm too familiar with the old ones or Necrons but when in doubt, dirt grinding
@@kimbertactpro9 ...You don't know the Forerunners do you? Forerunners are more on par with WiH Necrons, unless C'tan gets involved, In that case Necrons win.. The Imperium gets buttraped though. Chaos gods have their fun either way. :)
@@kimbertactpro9 The Forerunners have a far larger and effective military then any those guys their ships numbered in the millions many them having the most state of the art advancements, weaponly, and armor in Sci fi one of their best mass produced ships being the Fortress-class Dreadnought a 100 Km sized ship with millions of weapon placements and can destroy a planet all by it self with ease.
Perfect, just perfect, but just to mention, all the ships at reach were part of Particular Justice, the ships that gave chase to the Autum were just a small contingent of ships led by Thel himselve, but perfect job man.
So a question I have. If the demo mission for Halo 2 isn't cannon because it was cut from the game, then why were the flood juggernauts considered cannon prior to Halo Wars 2?
I’ve always had the assumption that they were there, you just don’t see them. The Brutes, though, yeah, I had the same assumption you did. The Arbiter’s fleet just didn’t have them. I would assume even before Halo 2, the Brute-Elite relationship was rough, and Elites were less likely to want to bring Brutes into the fold of their fleets.
@@raptorjesus3894 Not enough biomass, it’s the same immunity the Hunters, Grunts, and Jackals have. Only Elites, Humans, Prophets, Brutes, and Forerunners have been displayed as capable of sustaining the Flood
Because they weren't soldiers by any stretch of the word and were more valuable to the Covenant off the battlefield than on it. They were only deployed to Reach and New Mombasa so they could study and possibly extract any Forerunner technology present at those locations. Reach was just lousy with old Forerunner tech, and the Covenant believed the Arc was near New Mombasa, so it would have made sense to send some Engineers down to study it and learn what they could from the city's AI about possible human findings or research on the subject.
They also are in halo wars and halo wars 2 In Halo CE theres like some mods for engineers or like an unfinished proyect of them... but they are still there
The way I see it, is lore wise, the drones were there, just didnt want to mess with chief. (And like you said the brutes died on the ship) and the actual way is, 20 years ago when CE came out they werent really able to program flying creatures in the game (or didnt think about them at the time) and most likely just hadn't thought of the brutes being in CE.
That brute in the thumbnail has probably killed hundreds of innocent people while enjoying it but it looks like after all this war having multiple chieftains die he has finally started to realize how wrong his peoples ways are as decades of fighting have finally torn him apart he now sits in the corner of hallways when he can have a break from fighting he most likely has no more emotion during his battles and when it’s all over you hear a massive thump as he sits down ready to leave everything behind to either kill himself or start of a family and look for redemption
I always just thought the brutea and drones werent part of the fleet the arbiter is in control of in halo 1 The drones are only in that arcade game to give you flying units to shoot
This guy tells you 'the developers didn't think of it' in half his videos but still manages to do it in an entertaining and insightful, lore-filled way.
They were only gone for the first game but even then it wasn't an entire fleet of the Covenant chasing the pillar of autumn only a few. it makes sense that only certain few classes were present at combat evolved.
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Why didn't we noble 6 in halo ce there was not even a scene
Elites and drones truly don't like each other so perhaps elites did not want them on the holy ring?
Who thinks the Banished in Halo Wars 2 is on the run from the Created?
Please do an ODST video
There's one issue with your video though..... Brutes did land on Earth with Regret's fleet. Remember Halo 3: ODST?
If Fireteam Raven is indeed canon, then there exists a fully automatic variation of the Halo CE shotgun. May God help us all.
Raven IS canon.
CE is the only game where the magnum is fully auto
@Slavic
Sure it is, that's what fully auto means; hold the trigger down and the gun keeps firing.
@Slavic
I'm playing CE right now brother. When you pull trigger and hold it, it unloads the whole magazine unlike every other halo game where you have to pull every shot you want.
@Slavic
Ok, I wasn't talking about what the Chief's model does in-game. But at least we understand each other now
I always chalked it up to the Covenant fleet in CE being an Elite fleet whereas the fleet in Reach was actually multiple fleets converging on one major target. Elites and Brutes don't work well together so it makes sense to me at least that Thel Vadam's fleet wouldn't have Brutes. As for drones, I can't say
That’s actually a good explanation
you could also say that brutes hadn't the right of landing in the rings, but the elites had since they are the guard of the profets, so in order to protect the halos, they would have been given the duty and right of landing into the rings
Guns'n Games 1226 Aye we had the same idea
That code lyoko profile pic though
@@ivantimofeev2233 I'm not too sure. Grunts could land on the rings but not brutes?
"The drones only appear where the Chief didn't go to and fight at"
That makes them the smartest (or luckiest) of the Covenant infantries.
Except in Halo 3 where they get absolutely massacred
@@naverilllang Covenant most likely was running low on cannon fodder. Plus on Legendary, those drones are bastards.
@@StealthTheFoxz
I always bring the gravity hammer and machine gun turret with me to take care of the drones in the tunnels right before the barracks in Crows Nest. I usually have ammo and charges left over to take care of some of the brutes inside too. Or I abduct poor Johnson and take him with me to use as an over shield, he's quite deadly wielding the black eye skull.
The ring got blown up either way
To bad they got murdered by ODSTs
“The fall of reach has too many interpretations”
Well, glassed planets DO HAVE bad records.
*ONI wants to know your location*
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Say that to the continent of Africa on the planet earth, I had fun Going thrugh voy and Destroying the flood
We think a person like you with your expertise would be beneficial... welcome to ONI
@@GuiltySpark-kp8yb *location denied*
All I'm saying is fighting the prometheans is not as fun as getting swarmed with drones and having brutes refer to you as "their food"
just a pekin duck kinky
But I don’t like getting swarmed, but I always found the Prometheans boring and the covenant fun, not sure why
Halo 2 legendary has made me despise drones, I swear to god they don’t have 1 hit kills to the head, or if they do it is so ridiculously small for how much damage they do it’s stupid.
So we have a good tough enemies. and it was too hard. god stop being such a big pussy
Rather all you hear is them screaming
I like to think why brutes were only in the game for reach was because the Covenant likely deployed them to heavily populated areas, while deploying the elites to militarized zones.
I want to believe that you spelled locally wrong on purpose since militarized came out okay; If not, yeezus!
@@cheezburgrproduction i meant to type likely my thumb slipped and hit the o instead
@@CreeTheChroma bruh can relate
@@CreeTheChroma What if i told you yes?
I like to think that the brutes didn't appear in ce cannonwise because vadam didn't trust the brutes with the halo ring along with the other reasons.
I miss Brutes, and Drones, and Huragok, and Skirmishers, and all the varied covenant weapons and vehicles. The covenant has become much less diverse in more recent games, now it’s all just elites, grunts, jackals, and the occasional pair of hunters. And just plasma pistols, storm rifles, carbines, etc. Hope in infinite they bring back some weapons, vehicles, and enemies.
I think the worst part about the situation is the shit stew of lore that explains it. For example 343 basically said brutes became savages again on their homeworld after 3 since there was no clear goal anymore which is a spit in the face to Halo fans in my opinion.
Worse part is that they were replaced by really mediocre forerunner drones, and prometheans. I still dont like prometheans, not how they look, or how they fight.
Yes. Bring back revenants, spectres, choppers, anti-air Wraiths, rocker warthogs, elephants, and Covenant landing platforms. Demand it fans! We also need yanme, sentinel enforcers, skirmishers, and brutes back.
I fell the same way about Star Wars. Star Wars used to how Republic and Imperial hover tanks. In addition to rebel alliance speeder tanks, hailfire droids (almost never see them in canon now), snail tanks, tri droid tanks, more stormtrooper variants, rebel artillery vehicles, imperial artillery tanks, stormcommandos, evo troopers, and dark troopers. They need to bring all of that back along with a larger variety of weapons including quad repeaters, WESTAR blaster rifles, and arc blasters (electric guns).
@@Luis519RS Prometheans were interesting in Halo 4 imo. Everything sucks in Halo 5. The halo 4 marines, Spartan IVs, and Covenant designs are what bothered me. I actually like the concept of Spartan IVs and humanity becoming more powerful. I just don't like the personality of the Spartan IVs, not a huge fan of their armor, and their AI sucked in Halo 4.
Because Halo: CE took place only on the first Halo ring, and the Covenant Fleet that had followed the Pillar of Autumn was entirely in Elite command. Elites and Brutes did not mingle otherwise. That's why during greater conflicts in Halo 2, 3, ODST, and Reach, we saw more varied troop configurations. There, saved you 9 minutes.
The fleet led by Thel Vadam was directly responsible for attacking the Pillar of autumn , and it makes sense that he had no brutes under his command .
But the truth of it is that Halo 1 was made back in 2000(?) and was an Xbox launch title . Bungie didn’t have brutes or skirmishers or drones even thought out yet (or engineers).
@@germanwojtek3576 nigga we know this xd
That Guy you’d be surprised at how many people don’t know . It’s common sense yet people still like to jerk off over it
Well explain why on new Alexandra the brutes and elites were teaming at the hospital jammer
That's and halo wars 2 shows us that a good amount of brutes are off doing a different thing (a sort of brute civil war with the brutes who stayed with the covenant dying in the covvie-human war mostly and those that left surviving). Elites and brutes didn't mix, but elites were mostly loyal to their own so they survived better after the inner-covenant-civil-war.
I've lost count of how many times I finished Halo 2 when I was a kid, and according to MCC statistics I have like 60 hours dedicated to Halo 2 campaign... and until now I realized that the first time we fight the Brutes is when Master Chief arrives at High Charity in the level Gravemind, very late in the game. That is also the last level in the Bungie Trilogy where we fight Elites, subtle way to telling us that the Brutes were the new enemy while the Elites became new allies...
The drones fell to the new experimental bugspray. The brutes, embarrassed by the name of their planet doisac, went into self exile.
What about the Skirmishers?
Mark Mulder 😂 bug spray
@@frenchsoldier8485 343 killed them with a disease called "Brian Reed's writing"
Jake Yatta actually bungie did by saying they went almost extinct after reach
@@mrgears3045 I didn't say anything about the Skirmishers.
Why does EVERYONE forget ODSTs canon? It’s an unforgettable bungie halo game.
Then how do people forget it if it’s “unforgettable”?
John Omega that’s the point buddy
I'll always appreciate ODST as the game that Really got me into halo. Before then, I only really owned a ps1 and ps2 so I never got to try halo. Halo 4 was my first one and although it was interesting, I kind of just ignored it for a long time. (Played it here and there, mostly multiplayer) It wasn't Until I got ODST with a bundle of Xbox 360 games for Christmas and man! That game made me really want to play the other halos.
JokingSteak Halo CE was my first but Reach is my favorite. Haven't' got to try ODST yet but I just bought the MCC. I am expecting ODST to be up there with Reach as my favorite. 343 Halo games are not very good imo.
Zack Fair Say what you will about 343 and yes halo 5 wasn’t good but halo 4 storyline wise was great
Simple answer:
They just weren’t conceptualized at the time of CE
For lore reasons, I guess that they simply weren’t present on the fleet that chased them.
Did you even watch the whole video?
@@keihze25 you don't need to. It's the most simple and obvious answer. They weren't in CE because Bungie hadn't created them yet. In lore reasons, the Brutes simply weren't a part of the fleet that followed the Pillar of Autumn.
Evil Gopher Lore comes after logic. It doesn’t even need to be in the answer you provided. Even more insulting is WHY WERE THEY NOT IN HALO POOR(4).
tonikay cheney you just said what i was about to comment but in better words
@@JuICyBLiinGeR jul'dma convenant rarely have brutes
Can we take a moment and appreciate that grunts amazing throw at 4:43
That was the third worst throw ever, of all time.
I saw one throw a plasma grenade at an elite that was running past
I witnessed a grunt throw a grenade that got shot in midair and exploded.
He died an honorable death ( for a grunt)
@@jaidenlestrelle9460 That's pretty standard grunt behaviour and I cannot tell weather that was just the AI messing up or they are canonically that stupid.
The brute in the thumbnail looks like that one kid who never gets picked
Yeah I just saw that. Looks bummed out.
Well he doesn’t realize how lucky he is for his cause chief would literally obliterate him
Don't worry guys that Brute joined the Banished
The brute is me :l
Lmao
Where were brutes after Reach?
Not invented yet
Thank god there’s the correct answer
@@racoon251 the point is coming up for an in universe explanation
dont be a cop out lol
@@zytha2890 nothing like a post hoc explanation! id love to see the post hoc explanation for the homing rockets as well among countless other things. the in universe explanation for this is just a load of bullshit, but everyone already knows that.
i vaguely recall the brutes were first mentioned near the end of the novel 'the fall of reach'. one brute single handedly choked john and the pack easily outwrestled blue team. blue team managed to squirm their way out but at the cost of one of their team member's life. they used the nuclear reactor pack in the mjolnir to blow up the covie ship. or something like that.
and yes they weren't invented yet in-game. so all this post hoc explanation to fit the lore is a fallacy lol but i like the creativity in it
The way I see it is maybe they were testing the brutes with a few missions on reach, then by the the events of halo 1 they just weren't apart of the ships that followed the pillar of autumn. And the drones simply weren't necessary for attacking the surviving marines on the halo ring as they were moreso used for massive raids and strikes on low armored targets. Like for example being used in New Mombasa against the police and civilians, or in halo 3 when they send them into the base once the covenant managed to infiltrate it
Actually, there were Brutes in Regret's fleet. You face them in ODST.
Warrior of Virtue ODST is a weird one though, because it occurs just after Regrets fleet fled to the Delta Halo, and Truths fleet arrives at Earth (which is why in ODST you don’t fight any elites; the brutes from Truths fleet killed most of them).
Pintroll300 I thought he first level literally happened right after regret left, before he even died, the prophets hadn’t ordered it yet I thought?
@@zombiecarnivore The timings are massively screwed up, right?
@@zombiecarnivore
In ODST, i'm pretty sure the devs didn't really know when to have to Brutes start killing the elites, it was likely just supposed to be an easter egg but it happens way too early. It shouldn't have happened until one of the later missions.
Yes
I wonna know what lord hood was doing during Halo 1 2 3 and 4
Blackwater Company playing with himself.
@@hollow7777 as you do
Stan LD totally.
If you are in touch with Destiny Lor, Zavala from Destiny is deeply inspired from the ideals that made lord hood. Obsessed with protecting his home (earth) and never leaving it. So in short. the first 4 years after the battle of Earth he doesnt leave until 2557. But man after he boards infinity that year he does all kinds of shit, Fights innies, Peace Talks, Covert Ops, Barely escaping cortana in a prowler class ship. Now estranged on a weird planet until he can get a resistance together, he actually was last heard about post halo 5 getting drunk and depressed he ever let chief come back into service after halo 4 and feels completely responsible for cortana going rogue
waiting too get his chipotle that masterchief forgot too get him during halo 2. but somehow got himself in halo 3.
Man, justice for the drones. As far as I know, they’ve never been central characters in any halo stories. All the other covenant races have, even the hunters in the halo wars 2 dlc. They’re a really unique species that deserves more time in the spotlight.
In Reach is even worse, they just show up 3 times in the entire game, and are totally forgetable.
First appearance:
Tip of the spear, in one of the AA-guns
2°:New alexandria, in one of the buildings
3°:I forget, but in one cave like place
HiddenXperia: *uploaded 18 minutes ago*
Me: *frothing at the mouth*
It’s because I killed them all on Tsavo Highway
Someone, anyone, please respond!
*doesnt respond*
@@Prophet1 Name checks out
I love this comment.
Tsavo was an absolute mess to clean up, but do we janitors, get a thank you? No! We don't! *Continues to rant about cleaning up action hero messes*
Hey BOAH
More accurate: Why did brutes and Drones disappear after Halo 3?
JHRoblivious that’s what I want to know.
Maybe because this version of covenant break apart because of the events in halo 2 when sanghelies became our allies so their numbers were cut to small number
@Andy Gygi And the rest went back to their homeworld and such but their natural instincts took over and began to fight each other. They are, bottom line, pure barbarians with no regard for other lives, only kept in line by the San'Shyuum. Once that order disappeared, so did the Brutes' sense of order
Andy Gygi yeah and I read that the Brutes went back to those savage ways once the covenant dissolved. Obviously as people said, some joined Jul m’Dama and some joined the Banished, but a lot of them went back home and alas, primitive instincts took over
@Andy Gygi Brutes are predictable. Damage them enough and they'll drop their weapons and charge you. Just need a close range weapon handy so you can blast them away with a shotgun or an Energy Sword
Also something interesting about halo 2 Tartarus. Before the level: “Uprising” Tartarus has a normal golden Shoulder plate. After Uprising he has an Elite skull strapped to the gold shoulder piece. Pretty interesting thing that most wouldn’t notice. It’s also in H2A
I just watched a video showing all the cutscenes for H2A, I gotta say that I'm surprised I never noticed that before, It's not even really hard to see either. Thanks for pointing that out dude.
Yeah I loved that touch
But the brutes WERE on earth. Blue Team, minus Chief, we’re deployed to Havana to protect a space elevator from a Brute detachment sent to seize it. This was at the beginning of the Ghosts of Onyx novel
Aaaaah that was such a good book. I think its the best one really. It was one of the last ones i read. How did they get out of it?
eric oliver once they completed the mission they were recalled to Cairo Station and sent on a distress call from Onyx, this beginning the events of the book
Duuuude, nice catch! I hope Hidden Xperia reads it!
onivan thanks man!
onivan I remember the thought of a space elevator bigger than the country it’s in being strange to me.
The Halo books, The Flood, Fall of Reach, First Strike etc were all absolutely incredible reads. Truly dug deep into the Lore of Halo and gave you a proper idea of who you were playing and who you were fighting against.
I really want an official class style show (think the armory mixed with lore and theory) where we learn more about the non combat parts of each culture ex we have no clue what earth's map looks like. We know nothing of what the covenant do to colonized worlds interns if infrastructure. It would also be great to learn what happened during the 400 years between now and halo!
If they ever make a trilogy of movies, they need to base them on Eric Nylund and William Dietz's novels.
Guessing from the thumbnail: They were bullied by Elites, jackals and grunts?
just kidding.
Great video!
Lmao
@@boolinwam2781 You going to mark it on my map?
@@Banana-Boi like hell I am
Haha, thanks man. Maybe the real reason they didn't serve in the Arbiter's fleet was because of extreme levels of anti-Bruteism
Oh plz. That brute would have killed all three of those guys in close combat. Not the kind of guy you would want to mess with.
You forgot halo 3 ODST takes place right after the slipspace jump, and they mainly fought brutes, which the chief should have saw given the number of brutes and how immediately they were encountered right after the jump
gotta remember the chief was in a very specific part of the city. elite and brute fleets didnt mix iirc
Tbf, the lore in odst is confusing as immediately after the jump, there are already signs of fights between elites and brutes with the dead elite bodies plus literally no sign of living ones. In Halo 2 the rebellion between the elites and brutes happened a while AFTER the jump.
SmudgyStew0999 truth had probably been planning on betraying the elites and had given the brutes orders to kill a few. At least that's my theory.
@@EthanThomson but how would you explain the areas where there were multiple dead elites where the brutes betrayed them
Brutes and elites still didn't mix, but no major ship to ship stuff yet.
I was actually kind of hoping you were going to answer why there are no brutes in halo four
There was 1 brute in the prologue cutscene
Actually on the 5th mission there was a brute squad
@@Batman12262 there are no brutes in mission 5 only in the prologue cutscene
Halo 4 had the storm covenant, a splinter of Covenants lead by jul mdama, a sangheli who defected. Hence, no brutes where part of the fleet.
Have you played Halo Wars?? Halo 3?
I've had the idea of the brutes as some times being deployed as the covenant's anti civilian troops who don't mind getting their hands dirty. Elites probably found targeting civilian populaces and slaughtering them to be dishonourable so they left it to the brutes since they really don't care. And besides, while a 7ft sleek alien cutting down people with ease with clean energy weapons sure is scary, a giant hairy gorilla ripping people to shreds and shooting them with crude hammers and needle guns and eating them all while doing a loud roar is way more scary. In warfare civilian populaces are targeted to invoke terror into the defending populace and demoralise them so brutes seem better for the job
Anty4444 Targeting civilians is bad!
Proceeds to glass planet full of civilians...
Wasn't there a cutscene in Halo Wars and/or Halo 4 where there are some Elites killing civilians?
@@NovaXP yeah i remember that
Pretty much dead on, you'd deploy Brutes to some areas and deploy Elites to another. Keep them separate to avoid incidents. Brutes fight each other quite often as shown in some cutscenes, so it only seems logical that they'd fight the Elites given the chance. The tactic with Brutes is also to send them against a general area and let them fight, Elites are a more precise strike and would be more effective against UNSC positions.
The elites had no qualms about killing civvies. They aren't nearly as honorable as you seem to think they are.
The Chief did meet brutes way before Halo 2, well technically after Halo 1 starts the book is First Strike. And What about Halo 3 ODST we can clearly see that brutes were deployed after the slipspace jump in Mombasa
Chief wasn't on earth during the aftermath of the jump, as he was on the ship that chased Regret's ship through the jump, hence why he ended up on Delta Halo.
I liked the aftermath of Reach and the assault on the unyielding hierophant in First Strike. I just wondered, why he or Cortana seem to dont know that brutes existed, because the Brutes kinda started the war on Harvest, according to 'Contact Harvest'?
Rene Zimmer just re read that book, and honestly, they probably just need to retcon that line. It was meant to introduce expanded universe fans to the Brutes before they were introduced in halo 2, although it’s also entirely possible that Cortana or Chief had never encountered brutes before.
"I have a pretty simple explanation for why the brutes weren't on Alpha Halo"
Me out loud: Thel Vadamee is a racist
😃😆😆😆😆😆😆😂😂👍
@@davidjackson1598 no no don't ever do that again
Bro he's the fucking CEO of racism
@davidjackson1598 yes yes do that again
SPV3 added Brutes to Halo CE, it worked surprisingly well. Would recommend anyone who hasn't played it, download the mod.
If I still had my Halo ce disk I would but I lost those. I saw that but it still doesn't make sense.... Brutes were simply not in the arbiter's fleet clean and simple YOU DON"T MIX BRUTE AND ELITE FLEETS IT"S NOT GOOD (unless your the banished and have no choice but the banished did not fight the pillar of autum so :P) I mean did you not see how the brutes treated the honor guards when they were taking their armor in halo 2 let alone how they treated each other? The Brutes and the Elites never got along with each other
The skirmishers also disappeared after reach. I remember seeing them for the first time and thinking they were super awesome! Like nothing I’d seen in the Halo games before. I first some in a site before reach was released and it was listing the enemies. Never really knew to much about those guys but they were an awesome enemy
Cause Chief scared them away.
boo
*Halo 3 Cortana flashbacks INTENSIFY*
*sees and learns about Fireteam Raven*
Wait, are you telling me the Pillar of Autumn had Falcons on it?
when do you see that?
it also had the prototype plasma Rhinos from Halo Wars
only two that went to full on useless situations the first one got shot down into the oblivion the second falcon was used to give cover fire to evacuations and life boats buttt now I think the second falcon was put to some good use
Fire Team Raven should not be taken as canon. You see Falcon's in that game and only the Army used Falcon's.
@@Seriona1 Well, it makes sense that they may have taken a few falcons from Reach from troops trying to make it off planet, but yeah they should have had hornets really.
For the drones, I came up with a little bit of head-canon:
While it had no Brutes, the fleet of Particular Justice did have Drones when it arrived on Reach, however, Drone numbers fell drastically during the fall of Reach, with mass casualties in New Alexandria and Azod. Meaning Thel 'Vadamee didn't have sufficient numbers to deploy Drones in masses when reaching Halo(no time to resupply due to chasing the Autumn). So he only deployed Drones in mass assaults and selective defensive positions, some of them sporadic due to the meddling of his fleet's minor prophet, which is why they are seen in Fireteam Raven, but not CE.
They disappeared because it was the last Bungie Halo game.
lol, I have a feeling you'll be editing this comment when you've finished the vid :P
'They disappeared because it was the last bungie halo game' don't worry I quote saved it
Halo wars 2 has brutes
@@chefderappa4838 I know I'm just quote saving
(The last *Great* Halo Game)
The reasons Brutes only appear in New Alexandria and Aszod etc... is because they're the remnants of the Fleet of Valiant Prudence that you almost destroyed in the mission Long Night of Solace of H:R's campaign, the Super carrier was their flagship and with it destroyed the remaining corvettes went to attack an space station near one of Reach's moons containing a Forerunner artifact then went back to the surface of the planet to escape the MACs after they failed , if they have stayed in orbit they would have been slaughtered, and the Brutes also love playing with Human civilians so there's that
What's the source on this? It sounds pretty cool.
@@Connor8609 you can read it on the oficial Halo wiki , but the information is really short because most of it refers to the Fall of Reach novel unless you click on the specific timeline of the battle (Reach)
@Tojf
Halo Reach isn't canon? Lol
@Tojf are you just blindly dropping hate on Reach or do you have an actual explanation for the video? No? then stop calling a story not canon because it is and its coming to PC soon for a reason
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 it is canon, he's just trolling bud
In my head cannon, brutes and some drones are deployed AFTER the Covenant takes over battlefields. Elites and other major teams of the Covenant attack first, defeating the majority of the human resistance, and once humans are weakened, Brutes and drones are deployed to pick off stragglers. This would explain why they show up in New Alexandria on Reach once it’s fallen and in ODST after all the elites and other Covenant leave New Mombasa.
2:12 I may be wrong but I swear that the brute steps over his ragdolling bud
Now that you’re done with college. Have you like applied to 343 for a job yet?
he should definitely be one of the writers
there's soap literally everywhere being a writer is much more than having decent ideas.
Haha definitely not, and honestly I don't think I'd ever consider it. I never wanted to work in game dev, funnily enough I wanted to be an actor before YT became a possibility lol
HiddenXperia actor? What are you gonna just T-Pose everywhere? Lol
@@159tb The real question is why isn't he t posing everywhere
If I'm remembering right, in Contact Harvest, it was stated that Elites believed Brutes to be so far below them, some shipmasters wouldn't tolerate Brutes on their ships or in their fleet. That's why Brutes usually got crappy ships past their prime and squads of Drones as repair crew/cannon fodder while Elites got Engineers because they were the better maintenance crew.
Before the civil war, Brutes were used exclusively on secondary fronts as well as an auxiliary force.
Yeah, this is why you see Brutes in Sacred Icon
The few ships that followed the pillar of autumn were elite ships that didn’t have brutes on them. Easy
Reason why Brutes weren’t with Regrets fleet was that Regret always preferred Elites to Brutes. So him having Elites as his 2nd in commands meant no Brute underlings.
What about the brutes in ODST?! That happens the same day that In Amber Clad follows regret!
In ODST we see the start of brute vs elite fighting, in Buck's first mission.
It happens about 3 or 4 days before the great shicism and during it truth ordered brutes on earth to kill the elites since the prophets wanted thr brutes to protect snd guard them
Arbiter kill's the brutes race of liveing
2:56 Holy Shit! That grunt got LAUNCHED!
Lol and you're pointing towards it.
But aren't the enemies in ODST from regret's fleet? His carrier leaves at the start of the game and Truth's fleet doesn't show up until the end, therefore you have to assume they were from Regret's group, tons of Brutes there, enough even to overpower and kill the elites.
Brutes wanted to survive 343's artstyle
It’s simple. Bungie didn’t create brutes and or drones until halo 2
Well yeah. He means in a lore aspect.
@@mythichysteria124 lore*?
NiiX No, he has sexual fantasys over brutes and drones
@@ollydavis2495 Hah! Typos are hilarious.
Exactly, I'm always willing to give leeway regarding continuity. It's not going to be perfect.
I appreciate you acknowledged the 'actual' reason, that it was just the natural progression of the game and they were simply created for "new stuff" in the following games before diving into head-cannon. I remember when Combat Evolved was first released (with the "X-Box exclusive" tag and everything), feels like a literal age ago.
If you look at when the Brutes appear in ODST and Reach it hints to an interesting role the Brutes play pre-Schism. They are seemingly mainly used as civilian hunter squads. Let loose in highly populated centers after the Elites and the more controlled and organized forces have cleared out the organized and strategic military resistance. I always assumed that the Arbiter's fleet never had Brutes in it. Instead they came with later invasion forces to lock down through fear and brutality the areas taken by te Elites. That would be a good way to crush revolutions, a clan of brutes set loose with almost no restrictions
what about ODST, it took time for truths fleet to arrive on earth, atleast a whole day according to the campaign, on the ground were only brutes, jackals, grunts and hunters, immediately after the drop in Bucks mission you come across a mass execution of elites by the brutes pretty much the minute regret left earth
The ending of Halo: Reach looks like something from Club Penguin from Its last hours
I miss fighting the drones and brutes
It really brought diversity to the missions
I truly like to fight them more then the Promethians
Better than fighting bloody engineers, i swear it's so annoying that when you're trying to kill a few grunts and suddenly they've got shields and you've got to chase a floating squid halfway across the map.
Why did it take so long for the Halo ring to fire, once Tartarus activated the ring?
Have we had examples of them firing faster than that?
Halo 2 is the closest we ever got to actually firing a ring at all isnt it (from the Ark doesn't count because logically it would take longer anyway)?
When a Halo is activated the weapon begins siphoning "vacuum energy" from the surrounding space to charge Halo's main firing mechanism. This is why the Delta Halo and Alpha Halo-B both took time to "charge," as Cortana puts it in Halo 3, before firing.
Because the rings need to charge up enough energy to cleanse an entire galaxy of life, in Halo 3 when you fire the ring it has to charge while you drive to the Forward Unto Dawn.
It was still running on Windows 95.
Halo Wars 2 mentioned that the Brutes under the Covenant were like expendable shock troops always deployed by a solid 50 units. It would then make sense that Brutes would be seen scarcely on the battlefield.
Master Chief used the infinity gauntlet to wipe out half of all covenant species
They better bring back Reach’s customisation when its added to the MCC
Emulated Nostalgia they did
As someone who recently finished studying all current cannon lore on the fleets your correct on the accounts of specialist drops and not being in certain fleets. Also the drones are like jackals and have a agreement to work together but the drones conditions is that they fight where they want and get to colonize and prioritize making nests off the jump. Halo ODST and some of the novels help to back this up as well by describing how they (the drones) function and fight during invasions.
I got a question for you, why weren’t phantoms in halo ce only spirits?
Maybe arbiters fleet only had spirits.
Xd Burrito111 they weren’t thought of or “ invented” yet. They can try to make the lore fit but this is always gonna be how it is.
Lore wise they either weren't in Thel's (arbiter) fleet or the covenant didn't see them as nessasarry for that battle.
@Ween You forget Reach?
Ween the invasion of reach was before ce
I've been trying to explain this to my mates for ages, glad to see a Halo lore veteran agrees with me. Love your videos!
Simple. Thel' Vadam don't want any Brutes in his fleet.
just say arbiter
@@jevanbobb8938 no
@@yourjollyfellowgreg416 really he is tho
@@jevanbobb8938 He could, but at the time he is not the arbiter
@@ziro696 I know this I'm a halo fan but to me it makes more sense to call him arbiter cause that is what he is known as
I’ve been binge watching these videos. And I think there is a small problem with this timeline, ODST. In ODST the covenant you encounter as Sgt Buck are from what was left of Regrets Fleet which mean that brutes where there. And due to the dead Elites that appeared to have been killed by Brutes the great Schism had began earlier that previously thought.
*Brutes looks like the goombas from live action Mario bros movie*
Since regret's fleet was just a simple expedition it makes sense for only Elites to be with him. Brutes were typically used as shock troops and since he wasn't prepared for an invasion, they wouldn't have been with him.
Day 28 after asking for a atriox vs Tartarus video
Edit: jeez where did I get all these likes from
DEADPOOL117 Kev keep the likes above the days
Atriox would whoop is ass
@@christianlennon7896
Not if Tartarus has his shields
Ügiustus Keiserus Atriox is a ruthless tactical/strategic genius. Tartarus is an angry, balding gorilla.
@@spethmanjones2997
How do you think Tartarus became Chieftain, and commanded almost all brute forces in the covenant.
well, you could use a made up resource like, for example, that no one had the right to land in the halos, since those are sacred for the covenant, but the elites were the holly protectors of the profets, so if the rings were profaned by (in this case) humans, it makes sanse that the guards of the holy profets and their supports would have the right to land on the ring in order to protect them
but halo ce ended with halo destroyed, and the profets mad for the elites incompetence, so it also makes sense that in halo 2 both elites and brutes (and drones) must have fought humans and the parasite
in reach it does seem logical to see brutes, cause they are not in a sacred ring, but enemy's planet, so every attack force fights
Ivan Timofeev makes sense
I figured it was something like the Arbiter’s fleet doesn’t include Brutes. They were attached to another unit at Reach
We know they're still around in-universe. But from a game perspective, I think 343 is going with the original foes we saw in CE. Just my thoughts.
Can you make a video about why the Brutes and Elites hate each other so much?
I remember reading somewhere that the brutes were originally inteded to be in the first halo but were cut from the final product for some reason.
i always thought drones was too much of a chore to fight tbh. I wasnt really sad to see them gone.
The one mission in reach where they appear in that cave, is probably one of the worst... Not necessarily missions, but worst "area" in the game.
Brutes were always an interesting enemy, as long as they arent the only enemy.
Which was a Glaring issue in Halo 3 and especially ODST, which had no flood.
Uhhh there was flood in H3, or on text ODST especially didn't have flood
I prefer The Fall of Reach original novel that ties into Halo CE game. I just consider the 1st halo book Lore over the Game and the game as a retelling the Fall of Reach from the Spartans 3 perspective compared Spartan' s 2 that were all on Pillar of Autumn.
Weren't there just 2 spartans on the Pillar of Auttum(Chief and Linda, if i don't mind)?
one topic I never understood in transition from Reach to CE was Cortana
in the end of Reach seems like Cortana had just been created
but the beginning of CE gives the impression that she and Master Chief know each other from a long time
If I remember the lore right what Noble 6 delivers to the Pillar of Autumn is a fragment of Cortana that Halsey had condensed all the Forerunner data and whatnot she and her team had found on Reach to then be merged with the baseline Cortana that was based on Halsey's own neural pathways that was on the Pillar of Autumn. This interpretation allows both the game events and earlier Fall of Reach books to both sorta work together as being canon. This also explains why Cortana is preternaturally good at interfacing with Forerunner and Covenant networks(which are based on Forerunner constructs) and why Cortana's "Blind Jump" had them end up at the first Halo because the location data had been found on Reach and Noble Team delivering the Package is what allows the Master Chief's actions in the Halo Trilogy.
Incidentally this 'Forerunner Upgrade Package" also probably should have made Cortana immune to rampancy as Forerunner AIs are extremely stable at least in terms of longevity. But 343i wanted to make the most beloved positive AI character pull a Skynet rather than have Cortana and Chief just explore the galaxy, fight Covenant extremists/stragglers and uncover more mysteries of the Forerunners.
@@michaelthayer5351 this took me by surprise! I was definitely not expecting an answer 2 years after I posted that question 😅
Thank you! 😉
@@marcolima89 The algorithm randomly had this video pop up, probably because it knows I replayed the Reach campaign recently and I happened to see your comment scrolling down and thought I'd answer.
Why is this important fact about the book The Flood missed? Covenant species had been at Installation 04 for a few months before Chief arrived. Drones could have already been there.
Anyone talking about that awesome gamer moment at 5:45
That was pure skill. And ima leave the likes at 7
Being someone that never got the chance to fully try out halo, i am pretty hyped to finally get the chance to play this iconic game series. And i have been having a blast playing reach. There is just something about the gameplay that makes it really satisfying, compared to other games that are waaay quicker on the ttk in their games
How would Halo compare to the game Stellaris in real life comparisons not game mechanics?
Would a faction like the Forerunners or Ancient Humanity compare to Endgame civilizations, Awaken Empires, Precursor Empires, or Crisises (Contingency, Unbidden, Prethoryn Scourge, AI Uprising, and the End Of the Cycle) at full strength?
Holy crap I just came up with a theory to explain all the interpertations of the fall of reach.
ONI no doubt did a cover-up, and a lot of the information about the event would be covered in black ink. The various interpertations are just that, interpertations. People filling in the blanks with whatever made sense. There was also likely false information given out by ONI as well, which would definately screw with the information given.
What your suggesting is... actually pretty realistic and could help validate the discrepancies. On a side note, devout book fans may attack you for what they consider heresy.
@@markmulder9845 And that theory keeps bungies filosophy that games come first in a game series functioning without discrediting the books. Good theory.
good explanation
Master Chief does encounter drones on Earth in Halo 2. On the level “Outskirts” while you’re going through the tunnels, some drones fly by you when you ramp some debris.
7:50 Back when beta tests weren't just for media coverage, ahh the good old days of gaming.
How would the Forerunners compare to factions in Warhammer 40k like the Imperium, Tau, Eldar, Old Ones, Necrons, and more?
From my point of view they are far more powerful and technologically far superior then even the Necrons and Old Ones.
The Imperium would grind them into the dirt. Tua, either dirt grinding or mind control. Eldar, dirt. I'm too familiar with the old ones or Necrons but when in doubt, dirt grinding
@@kimbertactpro9 ...You don't know the Forerunners do you? Forerunners are more on par with WiH Necrons, unless C'tan gets involved, In that case Necrons win.. The Imperium gets buttraped though.
Chaos gods have their fun either way. :)
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The Forerunners have a far larger and effective military then any those guys their ships numbered in the millions many them having the most state of the art advancements, weaponly, and armor in Sci fi one of their best mass produced ships being the Fortress-class Dreadnought a 100 Km sized ship with millions of weapon placements and can destroy a planet all by it self with ease.
@@thorshammer7883 Sorry, I'm a filthy Imperial user. How big is 100 km in feet?
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A Kilometer is almost a Mile not exactly as long as a mile but almost.
Perfect, just perfect, but just to mention, all the ships at reach were part of Particular Justice, the ships that gave chase to the Autum were just a small contingent of ships led by Thel himselve, but perfect job man.
So a question I have. If the demo mission for Halo 2 isn't cannon because it was cut from the game, then why were the flood juggernauts considered cannon prior to Halo Wars 2?
i dunno.
I’ve always had the assumption that they were there, you just don’t see them.
The Brutes, though, yeah, I had the same assumption you did. The Arbiter’s fleet just didn’t have them. I would assume even before Halo 2, the Brute-Elite relationship was rough, and Elites were less likely to want to bring Brutes into the fold of their fleets.
Could imagine how lucky the galaxy is that the flood never managed to infect the drones.
@@raptorjesus3894 Not enough biomass, it’s the same immunity the Hunters, Grunts, and Jackals have. Only Elites, Humans, Prophets, Brutes, and Forerunners have been displayed as capable of sustaining the Flood
The first time the chief sees a brute is between halo 1 and 2 on board the uneven elephant 😂
What about: How come the Engineers only appear in Reach and ODST?
Lily Piskura they’re usually behind the lines not on the front
Because they weren't soldiers by any stretch of the word and were more valuable to the Covenant off the battlefield than on it.
They were only deployed to Reach and New Mombasa so they could study and possibly extract any Forerunner technology present at those locations. Reach was just lousy with old Forerunner tech, and the Covenant believed the Arc was near New Mombasa, so it would have made sense to send some Engineers down to study it and learn what they could from the city's AI about possible human findings or research on the subject.
They were in Halo Wars too, actually that was their debut weirdly enough.
They also are in halo wars and halo wars 2
In Halo CE theres like some mods for engineers or like an unfinished proyect of them... but they are still there
Terry R. Never thought about this what a strange but interesting fact
1:23 Mr. Mohawks😂 that makes think about Sgt. Johnson
The way I see it, is lore wise, the drones were there, just didnt want to mess with chief. (And like you said the brutes died on the ship) and the actual way is, 20 years ago when CE came out they werent really able to program flying creatures in the game (or didnt think about them at the time) and most likely just hadn't thought of the brutes being in CE.
The brute looks like he’s being bullied in school P:E 😂😂😂😂
Because like every other alien they got deported
Sebastian R HA HA HA GOOD ONE ☝️
That brute in the thumbnail has probably killed hundreds of innocent people while enjoying it but it looks like after all this war having multiple chieftains die he has finally started to realize how wrong his peoples ways are as decades of fighting have finally torn him apart he now sits in the corner of hallways when he can have a break from fighting he most likely has no more emotion during his battles and when it’s all over you hear a massive thump as he sits down ready to leave everything behind to either kill himself or start of a family and look for redemption
This is a good question because 343 had the bright idea to show Chief fighting a brute in Halo 4’s intro but never include them in the actual game
I always just thought the brutea and drones werent part of the fleet the arbiter is in control of in halo 1
The drones are only in that arcade game to give you flying units to shoot
This guy tells you 'the developers didn't think of it' in half his videos but still manages to do it in an entertaining and insightful, lore-filled way.
Isn't the reason that Val's fleet was the only fleet that gave chase after the Autumn fled reach
Can you make a video explaining why my dad still hasn't returned from the store after 18 years?
dont worry hes buying cigarettes.
They were only gone for the first game but even then it wasn't an entire fleet of the Covenant chasing the pillar of autumn only a few. it makes sense that only certain few classes were present at combat evolved.
I remember seeing the halo reach bungie thank you its was sad i almost cried