Great video, I believe most people identify as liberal in it's original meaning (classic liberal), but are still viewed right-wing and conservative in todays classical media. This is the same thing that happened to feminism, they took it too far and they alienated 90% of the people in the movement.
Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive. If I use my freedom to be productive and my neighbor uses their freedom to be lazy, we will never be equal unless someone either takes my freedom to keep the fruits of my labor and gives some to them, or they have their freedom to do nothing taken away. And trying to convince either of us to change our ways takes away our freedom to make our own decisions.
It’s about time I see a video on the importance of democracy in a functioning system, too many have forgotten what the lack of public accountability does to a government and the policies they choose to impose
@@bigjim199 have they happened due to them or at the same time as them? Have those things been really the cornerstone of the changes, or merely present in societies where this change happened? If it is those values why have the quality of life got worse, in the west, while they got more in line with liberal values over recent decades? Meanwhile, Chinese have improved without those values. So which is it
@@randomfcounter1930 we've not embraced liberal values more in the last decades. We have in fact thrown them away. We abandoned equality for equity, freedom of speech for feelings and more.
@@randomfcounter1930 Although the quality of life in China has increased on economic grounds, it's still much worse than the west is, both economically and socially. Income inequality is much higher, there's systematic issues regarding "legal residency"(this is why despite China's supposedly high home ownership rates, most Chinese people in major cities can barely afford their homes). (source: I'm from Hong Kong and I can read Chinese) I don't think economic development is mutually exclusive to democracy or dictatorship (however, dictatorship is a lot less trustworthy for reasons mentioned. One leader might be good and that's... alright... but the next might very well be a paranoid, self-serving, corrupt, aggressive warlord). Economic development and livehood could very well be, in a developed economy, hindered by poor policies, oligarchic monopolies in the market, and other factors. While the same factors are partially present in China, any positive change from rock bottom is improvement. Economically, the west is not "improving" because it's held back by non political reasons. Gay people or something of that sort has nothing to do with it at all. What is however better in the west is people are (relatively) much more free to live and express themselves however they wish, mostly without fear of reproach. Work hours, at least in Europe, are also much less, with much more vacations, and a much healthier work culture, such that someone can "live" and not just "survive". An apt comparison would be China and Taiwan (which has, by the way, completely drifted apart from China). Even aside from economic factors, where the Taiwanese earn much higher wages and, despite higher prices, have a much better disposable income and aren't facing a housing crisis as horrible as that of the major cities of China and the Anglosphere, they also live in a much freer, more enlightened society connected to the rest of the world, where political and social views can mostly be freely expressed, media censorship is minimal, social cohesion is higher, it's a lot more accepting and tolerant, and it has a much more modernized view on many social issues. Yes, it's known for being "woke" in China, but you have to admit that it is a better place to live in even outside of economic factors. Ask any person who does not fully agree with the Chinese communist party's values or total confucian dogmatism, or want to have every aspect of their life under total control of the government (or corporations. That too can be a serious problem) and they would agree with you on that. China is slowly improving in these factors (gender equality for example), but the highly nationalist, conservative and dictatorial government, and it's large support base, ultimately hold most of it back beyond the economic level.
Hmmm nice analysis Sure, it might be a bit surface level, but it's clear and does it's job. As someone who isn't from the west, I find many people out here being very ungrateful with what they have at the moment. It's not like democracy has no flaws, especially when the educational system is shitting itself and lobbying(legal corruption) is rampant, but it's a good idea nonetheless that has worked somewhat well for 200 years compared to anything else we have seen. It's also true that parts of the left have sometimes fallen into very illiberal pitfalls (eg. treating Christianity and Islam with very different standards when they're both just as dangerously conservative, overdoing feminism to the point of reverse sexism in rare cases), but that's not really a problem with liberal ideas on their own.
You make good points. Democracy has many flaws but is better than its alternatives. And you are right that very frustrating double standards appear when liberals judge religion, as you noted this is not due to liberalism itself but instead the flaws of many liberals (white guilt being a big cause).
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Great video, I believe most people identify as liberal in it's original meaning (classic liberal), but are still viewed right-wing and conservative in todays classical media. This is the same thing that happened to feminism, they took it too far and they alienated 90% of the people in the movement.
Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive. If I use my freedom to be productive and my neighbor uses their freedom to be lazy, we will never be equal unless someone either takes my freedom to keep the fruits of my labor and gives some to them, or they have their freedom to do nothing taken away. And trying to convince either of us to change our ways takes away our freedom to make our own decisions.
It depends what type of equality. Equality of outcome clashes with freedom, but equal rights and equal opportunity is necessary for freedom.
I think you're confusing equality with equity (equality of outcome)
@@breezyx976 Good point.
It’s about time I see a video on the importance of democracy in a functioning system, too many have forgotten what the lack of public accountability does to a government and the policies they choose to impose
Democracy is window dressing for Oligarchy.
This is an elementary school perception of politics. Everything said in this video is either a half truth or false.
Give an example.
Liberalism and the enlightenment was the worst thing to happen to mankind
How? Peoples living standards have increased exponentially as a result of liberal values (reason, progress, free markets, freedom, democracy).
@@bigjim199 have they happened due to them or at the same time as them?
Have those things been really the cornerstone of the changes, or merely present in societies where this change happened?
If it is those values why have the quality of life got worse, in the west, while they got more in line with liberal values over recent decades?
Meanwhile, Chinese have improved without those values.
So which is it
@ The Chinese have embraced some liberal values (free markets, reason, progress), embracing the others would improve things further.
@@randomfcounter1930 we've not embraced liberal values more in the last decades. We have in fact thrown them away.
We abandoned equality for equity, freedom of speech for feelings and more.
@@randomfcounter1930
Although the quality of life in China has increased on economic grounds, it's still much worse than the west is, both economically and socially. Income inequality is much higher, there's systematic issues regarding "legal residency"(this is why despite China's supposedly high home ownership rates, most Chinese people in major cities can barely afford their homes).
(source: I'm from Hong Kong and I can read Chinese)
I don't think economic development is mutually exclusive to democracy or dictatorship (however, dictatorship is a lot less trustworthy for reasons mentioned. One leader might be good and that's... alright... but the next might very well be a paranoid, self-serving, corrupt, aggressive warlord). Economic development and livehood could very well be, in a developed economy, hindered by poor policies, oligarchic monopolies in the market, and other factors. While the same factors are partially present in China, any positive change from rock bottom is improvement.
Economically, the west is not "improving" because it's held back by non political reasons. Gay people or something of that sort has nothing to do with it at all. What is however better in the west is people are (relatively) much more free to live and express themselves however they wish, mostly without fear of reproach. Work hours, at least in Europe, are also much less, with much more vacations, and a much healthier work culture, such that someone can "live" and not just "survive".
An apt comparison would be China and Taiwan (which has, by the way, completely drifted apart from China). Even aside from economic factors, where the Taiwanese earn much higher wages and, despite higher prices, have a much better disposable income and aren't facing a housing crisis as horrible as that of the major cities of China and the Anglosphere, they also live in a much freer, more enlightened society connected to the rest of the world, where political and social views can mostly be freely expressed, media censorship is minimal, social cohesion is higher, it's a lot more accepting and tolerant, and it has a much more modernized view on many social issues.
Yes, it's known for being "woke" in China, but you have to admit that it is a better place to live in even outside of economic factors. Ask any person who does not fully agree with the Chinese communist party's values or total confucian dogmatism, or want to have every aspect of their life under total control of the government (or corporations. That too can be a serious problem) and they would agree with you on that.
China is slowly improving in these factors (gender equality for example), but the highly nationalist, conservative and dictatorial government, and it's large support base, ultimately hold most of it back beyond the economic level.
Big Jim using American spelling, what does this mean?
Hmmm
nice analysis
Sure, it might be a bit surface level, but it's clear and does it's job.
As someone who isn't from the west, I find many people out here being very ungrateful with what they have at the moment.
It's not like democracy has no flaws, especially when the educational system is shitting itself and lobbying(legal corruption) is rampant, but it's a good idea nonetheless that has worked somewhat well for 200 years compared to anything else we have seen.
It's also true that parts of the left have sometimes fallen into very illiberal pitfalls (eg. treating Christianity and Islam with very different standards when they're both just as dangerously conservative, overdoing feminism to the point of reverse sexism in rare cases), but that's not really a problem with liberal ideas on their own.
You make good points. Democracy has many flaws but is better than its alternatives. And you are right that very frustrating double standards appear when liberals judge religion, as you noted this is not due to liberalism itself but instead the flaws of many liberals (white guilt being a big cause).
You lost me on "enlightenment ideology"
NEEEXT!
Why? Do explain.