Miami Dolphins Getting Burned On Tua Tagovailoa Negotiations, With Trevor Lawrence's Monster Deal?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Trevor Lawrence gets monster deal from Jaguars, will this mean Tua will hold out for even more money from Miami Dolphins?
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Why do we not have this deal done yet...I was a major tua doubter..been a fins fan for 40 years..trust me I know..he's the best chance we've had since Marino...who ya gonna get better..Dak next year...lol..kill me now..lol
That's why we're labeled the worse fans in the league. We don't know what's good for us even if it's right in front of us. I agree with you pay that man.
Pay Tua market or get rid of him.
Remember tua nice guys finish last in business, sports and usually with women 😮so do what you have to do bud they treat you like Mike white
I remember when everyone was hollering for the Dolphins to trade for Watson where are all of you idiots at now lol
We were hollering for what Watson looked like in Huston. Lawrence has a playoff win with a vastly inferior offense. What's Tua's excuse? He's still a bum.
@@runronnierun7213Lawrence has a playoff win against the lame ass Chargers, same team Tua has beaten several times. Did they beat the Chiefs? No? Then shut up.
@@SMBoivinthey played the chargers because they won the division genius. When Tua can actually win a division instead of choking every December we can actually play home playoff games.
@@luism8130 Was it Tua choking every game in December, or was it the entire team? Because last I checked, that defense CRUMBLED against the Titans last year and THAT was the game that cost the Fins their division. If you dislike Tua so much, maybe you should stop referring to the Fins as 'we'.
@@SMBoivin Tua had his chances and failed in the Titans game. He is a choke artist.
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I luv Tua, but Greir trying to get a discount is completely fair...Tua has had a MAJOR hip surgery that has ended careers. People forget about his college injury..Plus the concussion thing...He has more liability plain and simple...
Tua has proven he can't win against good teams, or cold weather, and has been injured. I cringe when the Dolphins go up against good teams. I am so scared we get stuck with Tua. Every year Tua seems to have to take the next step and he never carries the team to win even one cold weather important game let alone a playoff game. He simply pads his statistics against bad teams.
Why cringe, If thats the QB of your team, you should hope for him to step up, smh y’all tryna mask hate, but it shows when you speak
I cringe every time I hear about him being paid top money when he's NOT a franchise qb and us fins fans know better than anybody because we see the most of tua. Your right..
Health is not really a concern anymore… love Tua but reason he hasn’t earned 200+mil yet is having yet to perform in the clutch at the end of the season like Burrow and Lawerence both have. End of season play is the reason for me
Hold up buddy minimum wage is a thing no matter what the market is that employer must be willing to give you the max not cuz your mommy say you deserve it or in this case the fans I say Pay em but pay as a mid 10 first rounder not first draft pick price
I still a doubter
Last year was the first in which Tua stayed healthy through an entire season. Miami should guarantee the market rate and then stick with performance based pay from there. Is Tua worth a boatload of guaranteed money? No, not so far. But Grier chose him over Herbert so he's got to double down now.
Tua is a solid QB. Not great, not transcendent and thus far not a big game player. Don't give me numbers because every QB puts up numbers in the pinball age of offense- from Mac Jones to Cousins to Daniel Jones. I want a QB who steps up in big moments the way Stafford did a couple years back when he took out the Bucs in that playoff game. After the Rams blew a 27-0 lead in Tampa, LA didn't just run out the clock and take it to OT, nope. After Stafford had thrown a pick six on the previous series, he calmly stepped back and threw a bomb to Cooper Kupp that led to the W. THAT pass is what separates guys like Mahomes, Burrow and Stafford from guys like Tua, Cousins and Dak. Because Stafford had that throw in him. Because numbers are all well and good but that ring on Stafford's finger counts the most.
Tua is gonna get paid. But he best have that in him or jobs will be lost to this.
Tua is not going to surpass 55mil/year. TLaw's big money contract doesnt start for 2 more seasons(when salary cap is even higher). Tua's contract would kick in after this season. His ceiling is the Burrow Contract, his floor is the Goff contract.
Actually, Trevor's contract doesn't start until 2026 .He's going to play out till the 5th year option ,so it's a steal by 2026. Trevor will be underpaid
Except you left out the part about Tua where hes been injured every year except last year, is undersized, and has the best receivers around him. I think if you swapped Lawrence for Tua the Dolphins would go much farther in the playoffs.
I love all the fake Tua fans, i love him BUT........ My question to you all ........"if you were Tua what would do" . Tua won't be in Miami next year so relax. Dallas here i come.
Pay Tua Miami has alot already invested in him they have put all these pieces in place to make Tua successful!! Only reason he hasn't got his contract yet is because of the market now that Lawrence got paid now Miami will pay Tua!!
Pls don't give tua 55 mil
Once he holds that ball past the first read (cause everyone's complaining) he'll be injury prone again
I don't think Tua is a clutch QB. This season is going to be scary. I'm just going along with no big expectations. I don't want to feel like a big let down season again.
Can we all agree of one requirement for a QB making 50M is the ability to run a QB sneak!
I don’t believe give him market value like 200 million based on performance nothing over 200milli
Love Tua but he hasn’t earned 200+mil yet having yet to perform in the clutch at the end of the season.
I know it may be delusional to think this, but I really don’t think it would be all that surprising to see him get less than Lawrence on I guess what could now be considered a “team friendly deal” just cause like Tobin has said I really don’t see Tua as the type of guy to really hold out and actually make a stink I just think he’s too nice.
I'm digging the performance based money. Big money=big game wins.
We have to pay Tua.
Facts are that your going to have to pay a good starting QB 50 million a year.
Tua is good. Tuas numbers warrant what the market is.
If not Tua,
what's the other option?
Hes our best option.Facts
How are they getting burned offer him 3 yrs 90 mil that's it
When you offer a contract of that magnitude is not for the things that QB has done is for the projection of what he is going to do in the future. So Trevor Lawrence contract is a good one.
I love Tua, but to contract has to be written in a way that the team is not liable if he gets seriously injured because let’s be serious, he is one concussion away from being done with football.
Plus the Talent level of the Jacksonville jaguars in the Miami Dolphins. The last two years is day and night. Specially on the offense.
the truth is every player in the NFL is one concussion away from being in the NFL. . .
@@xx_sanch_xxexactly. All players are one injury away from retirement. All of them. Which is why so many guys do hold out or hold in to make sure they get their contracts dealt with. I don’t know why that’s so hard for people to understand. The QB position is actually one of the least likely to be career ending type of injuries. Along with kickers and punters. QBs are more likely to be held out of games from minor injuries because of the overall investment and risk of making a bad situation worse due to the nature of the position having to stand in the pocket while massive men are trying to kill you. But that’s also why guys get paid what they get paid when they show you that they can do the job.
JAGS were “STACKED” on offense. 3-4 WRs with 70rec and like 800yds including Engram. Travis ET you trippn
@@zacharyharkness8780 Calvin Ridley was supposed to just be the cherry on top. That team was supposed to be unstoppable. Turns out unstoppable meant, very pedestrian in their case. Mostly because of poor qb play.
@@HawgWyldFishingyou don’t know football if you think the jaguars have good weapons. Their best WR is maybe top 20 in the league..
Tua’s going to be the richest quarterback in the NFL.
I would take Skylar and atleast he isnt banged up.
Trevor-20-30 Tua 34-19 …. Trevor has 1 playoff win …. So that’s all it takes? 1 PLAYOFF WIN to be considered to be paid? That’s crazy .
The Detroit lions produced over $50 million of revenue in their 2 home playoff games last season. So winning division and playoff games matter.
Tom Brady gave the Pats team friendly deals and SIX rings. I doubt 1) He’s poor and 2) regrets being the GOAT.
It’s a matter of the salary cap. I’m a Tua fan, but he’s starting to act like Prescott. Big contract and fold in the playoffs.
It’s a different era. If Tom was in his 20’s and early 30’s today, Brady would be getting over $60 mil. It is what it is
Tua is not and will never be a top tier qb. Period.
The market is not the market for everyone!! Bs
Mahomes owns the Fish
Jags were 8-3 last year before tlaw got hurt, and coming off a playoff win, his last two years have been better considering the dolphins have tyreek hill. Geez the homerism. Tlaw is def better than tua plus tua is one or two concussions away from retirement.
One playoff win. That's the only thing that Tua hasn't. Aside from that, Tua has been consistently greater.
@@SMBoivin delusional homer
@@KashanJabari you have ZERO evidence that Lawrence is a better QB other than 'he won a playoff game'. That's your whole argument. Tua's win loss record is better, thrown for more TDs, more yards, fewer interceptions, more deep passes etc. He's got 30 MORE TOUCHDOWNS in only 3 more games than Lawrence! 30!!!! Lawrence was a fucking disaster down the stretch last year, but for some reason he gets a pass?
No way is Tua perfect, but Lawrence is a worse QB by every passing metric measured in the game.
@@SMBoivin the film doesn’t lie, have you watched any tlaw film? Probably not cause you’re a homer. Jags led the league in drops and drop td. Not to mention y’all have tyreek hill and waddle. Who have the jags had that can get 20 tds in 2 yrs like hill? Also tlaw is 24 and tua is 26 and he has a playoff win and is more durable. Trevor is EPA is waaaayy higher than tua as well, tua just plays in a better system but that doesn’t make him a better qb. Most of the nfl would take tlaw over tua
@@KashanJabari If the film 'didn't lie' then we wouldn't have busts in the NFL draft. You say Lawrence passes your eye test and Tua doesn't, that doesn't mean anything to anyone. It's just another opinion. Like I said, you have no PROOF other than "Trevor won a playoff game and Tua didn't". Everything else you're arguing is just your feelings, yet you have the nerve to call someone else a homer?
You're damn right Tua has a better team around him, he still has to get them the ball. You going to pretend like you weren't one of the people stating that Tyreek's career was going to plummet with Tua?
You play the same old song and dance as all the other haters. Giving all of the credit to Tua's teammates for what the team does well and give him all of the blame for the team's faults. Get out of your feelings, you are overvaluing Trevor Lawrence and you come off as much of a homer to me as I do to you.
I'd have to figure Tua is looking for/going to get at least $50m annually. Soon the next round of QB extensions will be hitting the 5 year 300m range
Tua is a 45mil qb at best!
We love Tua!
But… Tua is not clutch when we need him to win. Especially in tough moments 😢
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Tua in the Clutch is the reason Tua isn’t getting paid. Last Two yrs is the reason Tua isn’t getting Paid!! Leave too much on the field.
We love the haters too 😂😂
I love the way you people think you know football. How about the offensive lineman the wide receivers in the defense in the clutch not coming through. That’s coaching bro. I watched it for years with Marino. During the regular season, he would make people look stupid. But when you’re in the playoffs, everyone needs to step up when everything’s on the line. Mahomes is phenomenal, but he has one of the best coaches of all time. He has a great staff and a great game plan for every situation. McDaniel is just learning. Put it in the right situationand he’ll make the throw. The one playoff game that Tua was in an impossible situation. He has come through in big games in the regular season. He keeps getting better every season. Grier being cheap is the reason this hasn’t been done. So Mr. GM who do you got to replace him? Like it or not we have not had a good system quarterback since Marino. Go ahead and say that QB one is not the guy. But you better have an answer that is actually plausible. I think we’ve seen in the last few years, that went a back up is in we can’t get it done. These last two seasons with McDaniel and QB one together have actually been fun to watch.
Agreed. I don’t understand how Trevor Lawrence getting paid even affects Tua. Tua has a much better roster and weapons around and can’t win a playoff game. TLaw has already proven clutch in the playoffs.
i know right, cuz trevor is so clutch. lol. have you ever actually compared stats with people who you think are superior to tua?
@@tim6986you don’t watch football? Did you miss the comeback Trevor Lawrence had in the playoffs? Let me know when Tua wins a playoff game.
Tua’s earning 24 million this year and doesn’t even do his job at camp. Keep him at 24 million this year and franchise tag him next. That’s money management. Not credit card debt like Jacksonville has now.
The Joe burro joke was funny. It’s annoying as hell every time
yea hes white why the fk he get criticized lmfaooo
Tua bout to get a 300 million dollar contract.....oooooh tua haters gone be MAD AF!!!!!!!
Hahaha I think they'll be fine
it's just an eye test thing. tua gets hurt, he's frail. burrow gets hurt, it's his oline. tua production low, if he was good he could deal with it. mccorkle production low, he has no weapons, no coaching, etc. tua loses, he sucks. herbert loses, there's no one around him. the only thing i can somewhat agree with is consistently elevating when it matters most. he's done it before, we know he can, but just doing it more consistently. but also watching every game, it's clear that it's almost never just him fumbling.
Buh bye. Fins can continue to fail just as easily without a no legs stat stuffer vs donks.
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See how he does on his 5th year tag him for 2 years and if he does better pay him
The price hasn’t gotten up. Miami doesn’t have to pay more than they are comfortable. It’s that simple. There’s new QBs coming out every year!!!
But the team is build now if you let him go you have to draft a new QB and if your lucky and we aren’t you get a good QB and bring him along and in 2or 3 years he’s ready but you great team is gone you have a good maybe great maybe but he here now take the risk.
Miami won't be in a position to draft a top QB next year, or the year after that. They have too good of a team right now they aren't going to be able to tank. Even if they could draft a top QB within the next couple years, the history of the NFL is that most QBs coming out of the draft are either busts or low performers. It's rare for a QB to be solid. So they'd be dumping a solid QB that they have right now, for the chance at a QB who will likely NOT be solid based on history. And again, that's assuming that they could somehow tank the season which would majorly piss off every top tier veteran on the team who is trying to win a Super Bowl right now. You think Tyreek Hill is going to want to stick around if the Dolphins say "Hey buddy, I know we told you we were going to try and get you a SB ring, but we decided to screw over Tua for some reason so now you're gonna have to wait for us to rebuild for the next 3 years." That dude and every other self respecting top player will say F this and be out.
@@codyfox2876 we certainly would not be tanking for a QB. We have the franchise tag available if we can’t come to an agreement.
@@Themanyo954 Franchise tag for what purpose? So that when the tag runs out the market for QBs is 65 million and then Tua forces them into the kind of contract Dak forced the Cowboys into with no trade clause and no tag clause? So then we've screwed over Tua now so that his agent can screw over the team later. What is gained from that?
@Tobin have you Watched the last Two yrs under a master mind of a head coach! Tua’s Performance against great teams and key Games. 2nd weren’t Miami trying to get rid of Tua prior to Mike McDaniels Arrival . No division Champions No Playoff wins. And chance for a home playoff game you Blow it!! So how do you pay him!!
Mastermind of a head coach who has specifically said Tua is the best guy to run his system. Even before anyone believed him when he said it. And after two years of proving why that is the case, and countless people telling you that is in fact the case, you’re still here, trying to make believe that you are the genius who can see reality for what it is. When in reality, you’re just delusional and trying to sell nonsense.
@@HawgWyldFishing what’s delusional about what I stated, what playoff wins what divisional championship, if I’m delusional why haven’t they paid him?? He’s the best guy for the job what that mean, when it produces nothing , that just means the front office sucks at spotting talent. So when you say delusional define it , on the bases of what stated in my previous statement. You damn 🤡
@@nocaptrucking8016 characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgments about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition.
The market is the market….
The zero division titles are zero division titles, the zero playoff wins are zero playoff wins, the losing record in "cold" weather games is a losing record in the "cold", the losing record against teams finishing the season with a winning record is a losing record vs winning teams, so what is the market for not winning big time games that warrant big boy pay? The market.....
Leroy should be ashamed of his Browns, they're the reason we are dealing with these QB contracts. Watson was so incredibly overpaid that now everything is thrown out of whack. Hope Tua can get his money before training camp, we aren't going anywhere without him.
We aren't going anywhere with him.
@@runronnierun7213You might as well find another team lol imagine being a dolphins fan and so miserable about having 4 back to back winning seasons lmao HILARIOUS
@@runronnierun7213you’ve gone farther with him, because of him, than you have at any point since Dan retired. And still you are dumb enough to think that. What a wonderful world it must be to be so ignorant.
This has nothing to do with the browns. This is all about the agents that run the sport. Players should make what they deserve but every mediocre quarter under the sun is trying to “reset the market”. No QB should be making more than Pat Mahomes.
@@luism8130 that’s not how the market works and never will be.
I like Tua but everyone else getting contract extensions have better abilities. Please remember how Tua was during the Flores years. Not great. And Skylar Thompson did well in the same system against Buffalo. So yes, I'm skeptical that Tua is a $50MM+ per year QB.
I don’t think Trevor is better than Tua, but Tua is throwing to Hill and Waddle. Idk who Lawrence is throwing too.
Pay tua dammit. Pay him more tua deserves all the mentally physically emotionally his been.
The thing about Tua is if we switch teams for Tua and Lawrence I don’t think he has any where the same success in Jacksonville that Lawrence has had. I can easily see Lawrence having more success in Miami than Tua.
That’s obvious, but our fanbase doesn’t know anything about football.
This is completely meaningless speculation. Trevor Lawrence isn't available. There is no reality in which Trevor Lawrence "switches teams" and Tua plays in Jacksonville. Here's the reality we live in. Tua is the Dolphins QB. He has played better every year he has been in the league. He has outplayed both T Lawrence and Justin Herbert in every meaningful measure of success, except for the single playoff game where T Lawrence BEAT Justin Herbert. Those guys are both now being paid over 50 Million. There is no other QB available at or above Tua's level, so there is no "other guy" who is going to be slotted in.
The Dolphins have 2 options. Lock Tua in now for current market rates, or try to screw him over for some reason (again, there's no upside to that because there are no other QBs available at that level), and if/when he has another solid season and possibly has a deep playoff run, then you have to pay him millions more than what you'd pay him now.
@@codyfox2876 I agree from a Miami fan perspective the reality that y’all live in. I’m speaking to over the top hate that Lawrence gets for being in a bad situation.
Tue is a good QB in one of the best situations a QB has ever been. From the HC, weapons, to the defense. All around this is a SB caliber team.
Lawrence is a better QB who has done a lot with a little: Urban Meyer at the start of his career, mid weapons, and a horrible defense, and still almost went back to back AFC South champions before his injuries last year.
I don’t think Tua has the same success as Lawrence if he was drafted in Jacksonville, but he is all you have and that price just went up.
@@luism8130 I'm sure your opinion is always the right one.
@@Davy904 If Lawrence had been putting up Tua's numbers over the last few years and still getting hate I would be in complete agreement with you. I do think Lawrence has received unfair hate from some people who just want to declare his entire draft class a bust, but he hasn't gotten nearly the amount of hate that Tua has gotten. There are a number of TV analysts who hate Tua BECAUSE he is doing well. They predicted he would be a bust and so when he does well it makes them look bad.
Why not mention that Tua vs all those QB’s has the top 2 WR due..this guy is so delusional. Carry on.
Thanks hater
because that didn't matter for other QBs getting paid. Did anyone hold the weapons against Burrow? Or Herbert? Or Hurts?
Hurts and burrow have helped their teams get division titles playoff wins and Super Bowl appearances. Herbert not so much but what has Tua done?
@@idawg7332 Tua has done nothing but do the things his detractors say he couldn't. Which one of those QBs played at an MVP level 2 years in a row?
@@isaiahmullins9774 and yet we still no division titles or playoff wins or superbowl appearances or superbowl wins. Tua fades in the biggest moments. Is it all his fault, definitely not. But when you're getting paid 55million plus you have to be able to carry the team and he can't. Just because other teams are stupid giving out these ridiculous contracts doesn't mean we need to be
tua should not play for dolphins anymore just sit the year get paid offseason for another team dolphins clearly dont wanna pay so he should just walk to another team like steelers lolz
Tua is not stupid, he knows he’s not putting up these numbers without Hill, Waddle, and McDaniel. His fans on the other hand are delusional and forget what he looked like before.
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Lawrence doesn't deserve a contract at all. Jacksonville is such a circus of an organization, they will never be successful. Lawrence has proven he isn't very good yet he's getting paid. Ridiculous
Damn what did the jags do to you? Tlaw does deserve it, watch some film casual
The circus of an organization has been much better than ours in the same time span. You guys need to stop being so delusional.
They don't have a choice 57.5 per year 4 year deal. 190 Guaranteed
They do have a choice, play this last year out and actually be CLUTCH at the end of the season. Tua is not getting anything in the 50s. Grier has shown he will let players walk.
@@luism8130 I say LET TUA WALK, and go back to being the butt of the division for the next 50 yrs and set a new record for being A$$.