How to spot a fake PM2 - Lots of subtle differences!
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That was the most in-depth video that I’ve seen regarding the differences of a real and fake knife. Nicely done.
we really appreciate that!
Guys check the liners as well. I had a local shop that sold me a fake. They took it back hesitantly. I sent a buddy of mine there a few days later to see if they took the fakes off the shelf and they didn't. The liners on the real ones have small what I'm assuming are alignment spikes so the liners nest inside the g10. The fakes usually don't have those. Great video but my only concern is now they are also watching this and taking notes. That shop that sold me mine closed down a few months later. Asshats!
soo thats something you can see from the inside with the knife assembled?
@@dirtrider88 yes. You can see them clearly
@@franko3115 is that on the edge of the liner? Kinda like a d shape with a spike in it?
@@Abaddon5850exactly!
I can tell mine by the axis lock and the "GANZO" written on the blade.
VERY subtle, but the difference is there :D
ganzo is the worst clone, search by model #. the 1:1 clone is $37
Me too 🤣
Haha
Not gonna lie......ive got several ganzo knives, and i like them.
Hi Guys; I can't thank you enough for this video! I just won a Para 2 on ebay and before I sent payment, I happened across your video and the knife I "won" had ALL the telltale signs of a fake you described, I contacted the seller with this info and he cancelled the transaction, no questions asked. Stay safe!!
This video just put my mind at ease that the PM2 I received today from Amazon is the real deal. Thank you!!! 😀
Think the next thing is get Cedric & Ada to do a cut test with real vs fake S30V Spyderco steels.
that would be fun to see. we should test for its stain resistance perhaps too
Great job guys! The unrehearsed nature and super close-ups added considerably.. It was almost like a play-along.
Most helpful real vs fake I´ve come across.
Thank you @BirdShot IV! You provided peace of mind to the whole knife community! Those guys are sneaky. Love you guys.
Nice work on highlighting the differences between a real and fake PM2! I never realized you could emial for repain if you break a fake.
pivot and pocket clip screws are not centered on the fake.
also check out the spyder on the blade under a magnifying glass, the fake looks like it is lasered weirdly.
Great catch guys !
Thanks for the knowledge. I checked for these things when I got my Lil Native the other day.
Have a great day !
Buy Blade HQ or similar to avoid this.
Avoid what? They knew it was a fake. I buy fake knives and beat the shit out of them and the real ones stay in the gun safe.
He’s saying this to everybody else so that other people can avoid getting a counterfeit without knowing.
Best video out there regarding fakes to this day...Great job!
We appreciate that
Great video. Its nice to see a woman that has a passion for knifes!
This is really funny, I have 3 PM2's, 2 are fake, and I have the boxes for all 3.
1 of the fakes is IDENTICAL to yours in terms of discrepancies - every difference you pointed to is exactly the same on mine (mine is black hardware & blade with digital green camo scales though)
The other is a worse fake... Clip holes for tip-down only, much thinner blade stock, smaller spider hole etc
One of the boxes is identical to your fake with the triangle nose on the spider & the same misspellings, however it looks like it never had a sticker on it. The other box looks the same as my real box except for a few TINY differences, honestly I think its a real box from whoever had it before me, not that I care about the box
I bought the fakes together from a thrift shop here in Perth, Australia, whoever is making the fake in your video really gets around!
I'll also add: The spine of the blades on my fakes are not perfectly flat, they are a little concave tip-to-spyderhole
Both my fakes also have much rounder edges on the scales which honestly feels nicer in the hand than the real one & the actions are pretty good, don't judge by how they feel, judge by the details!
good info, thanks for commenting!
China 🇨🇳
"SPyderco" instead of Spyderco on the text in second box of writing on back of the box. Awesome finds!
7:46 "careful with that tip it's digging in me" that's what she said
6 speed manual!
6? More like 5 but it is a manny!
I miss my 5 speed. Seems like everything is auto or cvt these days.
And a Mazda at that!
@@carlosmatos9848 when we bought a crossover suv we wanted a plain automatic and Mazda was the only one we could find at that time. All the others were CVT so I said nope hard pass.
I got a fake from Amazon a while back. I had to do some real internet sleuthing to find all of the clues for the fakes. Thanks for posting this. On mine, Eric’s maker’s mark was in a weird place too and was partially covered when closed. Also, the shape of the relief in the right side scale for accessing the compression lock is different on the fakes - more sharp corners, where the real ones transition very smoothly from the rest of the spine. The edges of the G-10 on the fakes tend to be smoothed over (as if sanded to round them), where the real ones actually have more crisp corners. Angle of the jimping on the thumb ramp of the blade is different with the fakes too - the angle actually changes in comparison to the blade on the real ones to maximize grip on your thumb to keep it from sliding forward. I know what to look for now, but if mine wouldn’t have come in the wrong model from Amazon (plain black instead of blurple that I ordered), I could easily have been had. It was my first PM2, so I probably wouldn’t have even looked into it. Never thought it would happen to me. Lesson learned.
Still haven't been able to get a PM2 yet. Really like the design.
Very helpfull!
I recommend you don’t get a normal G10 S30. Because you can get a CRUWEAR smooth G10 one Knife center for 150
Hey, youse twos! It was so awesome meeting and hanging out with you at the Gun Show! I know I enjoyed showing my guns off, Hahaha! Frankie, I didn't think about it before I left but I remembered that Bird said you wanted the Microtech I bought from Brad. If you can't find another one I'll sell you mine. I should have offered while we were together. However, I was STAR STRUCK! What can I say? You two are so awesome!
haha thank you Bill, it was fun hanging out on Saturday!
Thank you for this helpful and informative video. The PM2 has got to be one of the most counterfeited knives ever. Fakes have even made their way into Amazon's inventory.
they have :/
The wide silver swoosh above the spider is very muted on the fake, with just a thin line on the right side that is bright silver. Below the spider, the wide silver swoosh match. Swooshes.
Easy to pick out the fake in the lineup if you know this.
Awesome video, very informative. Need more videos like this if warranted. Thanks. Tony
thank you for the support
that was awesome, there's a gun/knife show here in upstate, South Carolina in early October. I planned to pick up a few more Spyderco's so i feel a little more prepared after this especially buying from a show. Ty guys.
awesome, I bet there's some good shows down that way
Thank you, I spend quite some cash in it to import and I was worried it could be fake, glad it isn't or its the best fake I have ever seen, it matches the real one perfectly.
This is the best service you guys can provide. Seriously! I’m so paranoid about getting counterfeits but am oddly intrigued by them.
thanks Peach!
Awesome comparison. Thank you.
When you make videos like this it helps them make counter-fits more like the real ones
No it doesn't, just help us to spot the fake and tell the difference.
Now I'll be rechecking my Spydie box. I saw another video a while back describing the differences in the boxes and have assumed my Delica is genuine. I'm 99% sure it is, but I'll now double check.
Hahah brad it was the first thing I did after this video.
Very informative, thanks! 😎
thanks for watching!
Thank you both for this video. Just bought my first Spyderco Paramilitary 2. (Just bought this with money from my mom for my birthday). I used this video to check mine out before I bought mine even though I bought it from a reputable dealer. Thank you.
that's great, thanks for the feedback!
Guys are you sure it's a fake and not that spyderco just hired benchmades qc team 😂😂😂
oh no lol
@Semper Skeptical Good point if they paid they're employees to make sure they're knifes were centered and strait them they would have less money to donate to left wing politicians
@Semper Skeptical Yeah, when you spend $200 on a knife that was made in the USA you should be ok with bad tolerances! And for a company that started off with balisongs their selection does not reflect that whatsoever
I'm pretty sure that the divot on the spider's face is supposed to be a tribute to the original spyderco product, the sharpmaker. the triangle is the same shape as their Sharpmaker sharpening rods.
Interesting thought, and it makes total sense. I never thought of that.
That is absolutely what it is.
I have done these comparisons too and the variations in the fakes have lessoned. I have seen where the screws are more inline with Spyderco screws. There are variations the have persisted, such as the lack of a second milled out hole and small notch at the bottom of the non-lock liner of the fake. I avoid purchasing products with known fakes unless I am dealing with an authorized vendor.
IMO this is your best video ever. Because this kind of crap really hurts the makers and the buyers. I never would have been able to tell if I had a fake PM 2. But when I buy a Para 2 you can bet I will go over it like a hawk. Thanks for the lesson.
Thank you. It's scary the idea you could be buying a fake but we really feel like the demand for them is dying
Super helpful. This is the type of scrutiny to use when buying from a questionable source. And I spotted the other fake-box typo Mr. Crumbly noted below: "derect" instead of "direct" inquiries.
good looking out!
Oh! Who else noticed that the fake box typed “SPyderco” on the third-to-last line of the bottom paragraph @14:10?
I also couldn’t help but notice that the logos and different sections of text on the fake blade didn’t have their baselines aligned with each other... like some kind of bad, snaggle-toothed “HAppy Birthday” banner.
Do the real boxes sometimes show some of the silver swoosh through the Spyder’s “nose hole?”
also on the 5th line down in the same paragraph. there could be others but i figured i would add that
I got a fake Military from eBay several years ago. Odd thing was it was someone's used beater knife. Dirty, dull missing a screw etc which i knew up front. I figured that's why it was only $75. It was very convincing and I didn't realize it was a fake until I had completely cleaned it up and sharpened it. Fortunately the seller took it back. I even got a fake Kershaw 1830 once. I can't understand why someone would counterfeit such a cheap knife. No more eBay knives for me. LOL
we've heard of fake Kershaw's but never seen one. crazy lol
Don’t even have a PM2 and right off the bat I could tell which one was fake because of the blade shape
I’m looking to buy my first Spyderco. Thanks for the awesome video, I know how to spot a fake now!
It would be great to see the difference in performance too.
I also have bought a few fakes to compare them to my originals (Pingo, Delica4, PM2, Police, Manix2, P´Kal).
The problem is, that most of the differences are only obvious if you have a real one to compare. Also the quality of the fakes sometimes is quite "good" and it´s not easy to differ them from an original. Used knives are also a problem, e.g. for the comparison of the texture of the G10 or the quality of the screws.
But there are a few things, that are directly to see if you know where to look at (Para2 in this case):
- the first one is, as you said, the incorrect writing on the blade or the box
- the second one is the height difference of the bladeroot compared to the stop-pin (on the original the blade aways comes up with a slight curve up to the level of the stop-pin)
- the third, as you mentioned, is the different building of the compression lock
- the fourth is the laserprint itself - on the original you can always clearly read them, even if you look at an angle, while on the fakes the laserprint fades when you hold the knife in an angle
Kind regards from Germany
grizzly
thank you for the support!
Ya exactly u almost meed to compare me side by side to tell, and if ur buying on line....forget about it
Huge difference on the sharpened edge as well. Much smoother grind on the real.
I get mine tomorrow in the mail i will check all of this. Thanks. I bought mine from amazon, but the seller was sportco wholesale. So im assuming its a real knife becuz sportco is a outdoor retail store lol
You best check. I used to own small store. It’s not hard to get listed as authorized reseller. You only had to deal with manufacturer directly.
Point is a cheat merchant can buy fake mix in to boost margin. Be careful
Thanks guys! Great work. I ran down and checked all my boxes. Thank God not one fake!
lol nice
The screws are the most obvious. You were absolutely right. Real almost looks like a circle cut into the screw, and then maybe a fraction of a mm below that circle, the star pattern starts. Possibly the inside of the star pattern is rounded, not angled.
Thanks guys, im not the guy to buy PM I flipped a few of them and its not the type of knife i like, but i do not buy copies or clones, its good to see this on your channel, it might help a lot of people
thank you for the support!
13:45 I noticed the fake box has a lighter/brighter shade of red than the more darker shade of red on the real box.
They need to compare of real spydercos from 6 consecutive years
Another good vid. Learn so much from you folks. How to spot a fake, the burr bird and how live of of pb&j and ramen noodles. 😉 And can't forget about all the innuendos. What can't you learn here lol 😋.
haha awesome!
Every time you
Point out the difference between fake and real the fake companies are just gonna fix those issues and make it harder to tell the difference
This is an old argument and possibly true more so in the past. We feel true counterfeit knives are actually on the decline. The massive wave of original Chinese knives are selling way better than these clones ever did, there is more money to be had with a legit lineup. No need to hide from "Made in China" anymore, it's being embraced (in the knife community anyway).
ConcreteComa what’s wrong is that there stealing a design and I’ve known people that pay full pm2 price for a fake a fake pm2 won’t have the same quality in steel etc
ConcreteComa that’s the thing the fake spyderco knock offs cant do it better then spyderco if they did there would be no profit your just copying a knife that exists for the same price the way they make profit is by using cheaper materials and labor
ConcreteComa no it isn’t with the spyderco knock offs with things like We knives and Kizer yes with a crappy fake knife it won’t be
I think there are actual companies that are putting forth high efforts with good fit and finish (Kizer and We are obvious examples, perhaps Artisan, Real Steel, Bestech, and several other brands too), but being made in China isn’t a guarantee of high fit or finish, especially in the lower price ranges. My Spyderco Byrd Meadowlark and Robin are examples of a lesser fit and finish compared to my Spyderco Dragonfly and Ladybug... they’re still functional knives for the most part, but the gimping on the Byrds are cut at different angles misaligned with eachother, soft screws so I can’t change the pocket clip’s position, circular pivot tube instead of the Dragonfly’s D-shaped hole that allows me to unscrew it. In the fake PM2 in this video, the fonts of the logos and text are not level angles with eachother, the shoulders are more rounded between the blade grind and the flat for the pivot section of the blade, the G10 looks less finished and shows layers as they point out here. And who knows what their steel and heat-treat processes are? These knives may work as well as a used car with sawdust in the engine to hide the knocking sound, but paying new-car (or new knife) prices for a junker does not show a competitive advantage.
thanks for this video, I just bought an Endura 4 through Amazon and I have a little concern if it is fake or not... but didnt know what to look for to really know for sure... Now with this vid i have some tips ! I am starting to build my collection of folders and some fixed blades... I am becoming a enthusiast with this... Already have around 20+ knives between Spydercos, Kershaws, CRKTs, Benchmade, Kizer, Case, Rough Rider, Ka Bar, Gerber, QSP, ESSE, Victorinox and SOG... more to come
This was a good video, nice eye!
Thanks for the video. I didn't realize the stripe showed under the spider. And yes, all of my boxes do that and they have a spidey nose!
good to hear!
Love the pm2
hello stranger, you were 3 seconds away from stealing first place from our current champ ;)
Second lol
Frankie is way better at this game than bird 😂
she's good at stuff like this :D
Thanks! Great video. Now I will be able to tell without having a real one to compare to.
I worry about all my eBay auction wins after watching these videos. Thank you. I see the passion you both have. Btw, the garbled, janky English on the box, paper, and blade have been tell-tale signs of fakes, but the counterfeiters are catching on. I am sure some private, online resellers are finding genuine boxes, too, to pass counterfeits as originals.
I just ordered one PM2 on a very popular and professional (French) website and will definitely check. Very thorough examination, very practical. But don't do too many of these videos, the copycats learn fast. I think the craftsmanship that goes into doing a good copy could be used in order to create, invent, develop, improve. Just saying.
the box is also different on the front. if you look at the white stripe on the front, the color fades along that streak more gradually. On the fake box the white line just ends just above the spyder logo.
Damn bird fam. 21k subs👍u two make a good team. Comedy amd blades. And #puglove
thank you for the support!
Best way to tell if a spider go is fake if you take the knife apart if you feel comfortable enough there’s a deep at the bottom of the blade that’s hidden from the grips if it doesn’t have that day it’s not real
You can see the grain structure in the real one in the side blade profile. On the fake, no grains, it looks satin. I don't know if this may actually be the carbides and that's why
Wow....thats great info guys!! Thanks for sharing!!
thanks Jody!
I bought a PM2 on amazon and it turned out to be a fake. Luckily for me I purchased a PM2 on amazon a couple years earlier and I had that to compare it to. Right off the bat I could tell the blade shape was different. So I looked up videos about how to find a fake and it helped me tremendously! Thanks for making this video and in the end I got my money back on the fake PM2.
nice. unfortunately, Amazon can be a bad place to buy any knives where a fake also exists
Thanks you two. Well done!
I'm glad to be at the point, in my knife life. That I'm only buying Sprint Runs, and Exclusives now. That sure helps, to avoid this kind of thing.
I'll keep an eye out though!
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thanks Steve. Buying from the big retailers is a pretty sure thing, top it off with sprint runs and your golden lol.
Only helps if you get it from the source, I recently bought an older sprint run (Manix 2 in M4) on the secondary market and sent it to Golden to verify its authenticity... I’m sweating bullets until I hear from them 😓
Great video. I bought a manix 2xl off Amazon I always thought it was fake because the swing but it's just a factory defect
We have seen one knockoff Manix and it was very obviously fake, not sure about an XL
The triangle is a cross section of a sharpmaker rod. That's why it has that smaller triangle inside. Its the cut in the rod.
Great stuff guys thanks for posting!!!
thanks for watching!
Mine and my dads PM2’s shipped either clips in the tip down position, but oddly enough both of our Para 3’s shipped with the clip in the tip up position, as I believe it should be.
The spyder hole on the fake overlaps the plunge grind more than the real deal.
Well done guys for exposing this guys,. A very interesting video!
thanks David
Thanks guys great info
thank you Victorys knives
Great video super helpful thanks for letting us know
Wow 😯
I am totally amazed
Bravo thanks
Best Regards
Great PSA for the knife community!! So cool that you went to all the effort for that box comparison. Btw, "Repain" is a real word... I get it every time that I speak with my ex!! 😉
haha perfect
Also the emblem has straight legs on the fake and rounded edges on the knife blade.
The easiest way to tell if it’s fake is to weigh them. The counterfeits are almost always heavier, but always different in weight.
I would be shocked to see the grind at the spydeyhole be that bad on any real spyderco but I guess it is a possibility.
I have a fake that nails almost all the things you noticed. My fake has the exact same looking screws, the writing and logos are exactly the same, the G10 looks and feels the same, the compression lock looks and feels the same, the jimping next to the compression lock is the same. The only differences i noticed are: the jimping on the blade is sloppy, there are scratches in the spidey hole and it has 3 little oxide spots on the blade which the real one definetly shouldn't have. The fakes are getting better and better and we all need to be carefull because of it.
great. you 2 got me going thru all my boxes like i'm treasure hunting. 😁
haha awesome
A couple of things to notice, one is on the box. If you notice the blade from the belly to the tip is dark on the fakes. The second thing that may not apply to this particular video but I know with the the Delica imitations The etched not stamped. Just throwing it out there.
It would really be interesting to find out what type of steel the fakes are ? My guess is a low grade stainless
Are you suggesting the steel is low quality sir? I'll have you know it's the highest grade mild steel money can buy.
Thank you guys for this video! It will definitely save alot of people alot of hard earned money. BTW I just bought a boker kalashnikov 74 in S30V last night because of your guys's as always awesome, informative videos so thank you again for that!
thanks JB!
Thank you guys I just ordered my first para 2 from Amazon couple days ago. It’s going under microscope
GREAT Work THANKS Y'all 👍
you have no idea my fake looks exactly like a real one looks like they watched your video and fixed all the things you mentioned
its actually spooky
I knew of these fake attributes some time back. In fact, I researched the fakes before I ever bought a real one. Regardless, this is one of the best comparison/ revealing videos regarding counterfeits out there. Nice job F&B!
thank you for the support!
Wow, I would have been duped.
Thanks for the heads up
lots of people would be, so close if you don't know the little details
Awesome info guys!!! Thank you for pointing this out. It's unreal how far they will go to counterfeit something. Was the one spyder a differnt color? Or was that juust the camera angle? Keep up the great work guys
it was the knife to knife angle difference, yes. Colors matched very well
The silver stripe above the spyder is black instead of silver!! Or it might be the lighting.
I’m glad I have the Spyderco Factory Outlet nearby that fake was ugly ass hell, I also noticed the engraving colors immediately. Great comparison!
Nice. My brother bought a fake, showed it to me and I said PM2, grats. He smiled, handed it to me and right away I said, what the hell is this? This is all wrong...you bought a fake?!? He laughed. I have several pm2s and his was just like the one you showed.
thanks for the info
Great video! Lets just hope the counterfeiters don't see it and correct their mistakes/errors.
Easiest way to not buy a counterfeit Spyderco is to buy from authorized dealers. Online prices at the major retailers like Bladehq, Knifeworks, Knifecenter & GPKnives are already selling at lowest allowed prices. If you buy from Amazon and Ebay you're going to run the risk.
Good lookin out guys!
thanks for watching Jerry
the g10 gave it away for me right away
Thanks for the tips! Personnally, I don't really mind copies of super high-end custom knives (For me, it's more like buying a copy of a painting, or any work of art, as long as they don't pretend it's the real thing) but I do dislike copies of production knives. Clones of custom, handmade knives don't really hurt the knife industry (because customs aren't production knives anyway), but I do hate ripoffs of standard-issue production knives (and I hate them even more when they try so hard to make you think it's a genuine one). This will definetly help me not to get caught in the futur.
The exposed liners are different lengths on the real one too. The fake one they are both the same length. @5:23