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This is the mistake that creates ALL psychological suffering
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- In this clip from A New Way of Being, nondual teacher Francis Lucille - in conversation with host Simon Mundie - reveals the fundamental mistake that creates all psychological suffering...
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That's a very good point!
5.25: FL:...this body is part of the world that surrounds it , because of that its reality has to be the reality of the world, the world and the body in it ,share the same reality. So even if i say this Consciousness is dependent upon this body the reality of this Consciousness is the reality of this body, which is the reality of everything and then already we have moved out of this very unexplored belief that this Consciousness is limited to, or by, this human body.
Francis Lucile makes more sense to me than anyone.
Have you listened to his student, Rupert Spira? Check him out.
it's nice. first he addresses the consciousness of a reality and the consciousness of a body. he asks for the evidence that shows that consciousness is limited to a body. then he suggests going a little deeper, and recognizing that consciousness is the reality of our human experience, and at that moment the image freezes. reality jokes at my level. it's really good.
Thank you!
Brilliant!
Is this the new Don Johnson look that Francis has adopted ?
The evidence that consciousness is dependent on the body is as follows: Changes in the body cause changes in consciousness. If your arm is severed, your consciousness is going to be entirely different to if you are in perfect physical health. If you ingest chemicals, then they can also change your consciousness, which would suggest that consciousness is indeed a physical process. Changes in the brain physically = changes in consciousness.
From a conscious human perspective however, our conscious experience is the most fundamental axiomatic truth. You can't ever even prove that there is a physical world, because the perception of a physical world still has to be filtered through your own conscious experience first.
That depends on how you define consciousness. if you simply take it to mean raw awareness, then changes in the body don't change consciousness. It changes the content of consciousness (thoughts/ feelings/ perceptions/ sensations) but not consciousness itself.
All experience is inside our head, our experience of everyone, everything is inside our head. Originally Awarness, which languages ( symbols) enabled us to split up Awarness into consciousness. Part of this is an observer to witness itself. Our journey is to make the unconscious conscious. No gods needed.
People think they know by eating the forbidden fruit, causing externalisation and the belief in a devil, for thought ís the forbidden fruit.
So they think they know good and bad, but the truth is thought is causing it.
And the mind cannot know or see what it causes, thats were Consciousness comes in.
Thought is merely a degredation of that which is one, chopping in into pieces.
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Amazing how he talks without moving his lips, without moving at all, in fact. It's quite remarkable.
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It’s a mystical power…
Love it. Santa is more credible than primacy of material. World 😊😂
Well, we have no evidence of consciousness existing without a body so it is reasonable to assume that that is the case.
That’s because you assume that consciousness is already bound to the body in a necessary way and is a product of it. If that isn’t the case, then consciousness is already not bound to the body. We could also bring in NDE experiences where consciousness is outside of the body and reports verifiable things to support the claim. The biggest issue with claiming that consciousness is a product of brain activity is the realm of idea or qualia is experientially as real as the realm of material phenomena. In other words, it is already true that ideas are real and are not the same things as material things. This is evidence that the psyche, while being bound to the body in some way is actually a separate entity. Pneuma or Spirit is another thing and is be definition uncaused because it isn’t bound to a causally infinite regress.
What I mean is simply this: if Spirit or consciousness or awareness or whatever you want to call it is a product of material processes, then how could it exist in a meta level above what is going on, a level beyond which there by definition can’t be anything else? Can anything else exist which isn’t preceded by awareness? So if that is the case, if consciousness was a product of brain activity, it wouldn’t be an unchanging thing and there wouldn’t be meta awareness of phenomena. We would be automata.
A wonderful question. I would have liked to interview Francis and I sent him and email but he doesn’t seem to be seeing my email. Anyone has his email ? @simon ?