Grishuk & Platov (RUS) - 1997 World Figure Skating Championships, Free Dance
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Lausanne, SWITZERLAND - 1997 World Figure Skating Championships, Ice Dancing, Free Dance - First, a profile piece on both Oksana Grishuk and Evgeny Platov of Russia and their teammates, Anjelika Krylova and Oleg Ovsiannikov, and the competitiveness between them that has developed during the season as Krylova & Ovsiannikov were winning competitions while Grishuk & Platov sat out most of the season with injuries. In the Free Dance here, Grishuk & Platov would easily win this dance earning two 6.0s. As much as I love this dance from them (and it is my favorite), the fact of the matter is that they finished their dance 3 seconds after their music ended and should have received nothing higher than a 5.9 for Presentation. In addition, what I found interesting was the final lift in the program that was exact same move that Jayne Torvill & Christopher Dean of Great Britain invented and performed at the 1994 Winter Olympic Games. At those Games, Torvill & Dean received deductions for that lift. Here, Grishuk & Platov did not receive any deductions from 7 of the 9 judges, even though it was not performed as well as it could have been (as they were rushing to finish with music). Nevertheless, Grishuk & Platov would another World Title here.
![[4K60P] Pasha Grishuk and Evgeni Platov 1998 Nagano Olympics - FD "Memorial Requiem"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/toZS4XzXPME/mqdefault.jpg)
LOVE this program choreographed by me and evgeny . Thank you for watching and thank your for all your amazing comments ♥️
Оксана, программа этого года - это самое лучшее, что я видела в фигурном катании. И арабский танец, и танго просто нет слов. Мое восхищение
Восхищаюсь катанием вашей пары! Глубокая вам благодарность !
Вам пока нет равных!!!
Снова почти прожила Ваш танец - шедевр, Оксана, наверное в сотый раз , все программы пересмотрела - прожила тоже раз сто. Вы просто гении ! Невозможно насмотреться! Спасибо большое! Январь 2024 г.
Это лучшая пара на планете...современным до них ещё ехать и ехать
Скорость катания у них просто сумашедшая. И еще поражает, как у них постоянно один элемент сразу переходит в другой.
И ето все потому что у них скольжение было идеальным, при чем и у него и у нее.
Потрясает мастерство этой великолепной пары !
Спасибо за талант ♥️!
Евгений такой миляга! Такой надёжный и артистичный! От него глаз не отвести.
Как же это красиво! Всё: и фигуристы, и скорость, и музыка и движения! Необыкновенно!
А вы знаете что это за фигуристы? А то тут все на inglis .Я то ещё в 1994 году была уже их фанатом. И по сей день лучше их в танцах никого не было. Они были фантастичны!
@@irinameisone9269 Они и остались такими,фантастичными,именно Грищук и Евгений Платов.
@@MM-dg7vp согласна с вами. Лучше их не было и наверное на моём веку не будет. Когда хочется музыки и восторга для души ставлю их видео и настоящее искусство греет душу.
@@irinameisone9269 А потому что Грищук-маленькая стервочка.
@@Djannah59 ОЧ /талантливая, трудоголик/.Писали что сейчас уже она не стервочка?
Интересно, а может ли ещё кто-нибудь повторить этот танец. Высший уровень
This is one of my favorite free dances for them! They were absolutely on fire with programs this season -- the Libertango OD is out of this world amazing. I miss them!
Моя лучшая пара фигурном катании
Смотрю каждый день
Технически- их никто не превзошел
Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir превзошли!! 😉
@@whitecat3923 Тесса и Скотт катались уже по изменённым правилам, заложниками которых они и стали к концу карьеры, самое лучшее их время у Марины Зуевой, потом смены тренеров и исчерпание себя, хотя их и ставили на высшую ступеньку! А такие пары, как Грищук и Платов-это высочайшее мастерство именно его величества Танца(!!!!!) на льду, а не набора твизлов, крюков-выкрюков и прочих закорючек!!!!!!Да, Шптльбандт продвинул эти правила, дабы поставить точку в превосходстве советской школы. Теперь имеем, что имеем: скольжение, реберность и прочая техника есть, а танца нет!
@@user-vg8fm6rh1r согласна с Вами полностью ! Ввели правила и танцоры потеряли индивидуальность . Одну страну от другой не отличить. И самое плохое - ТАНЕЦ исчез ,есть просто катание с вкрапленными акробатическими элементами . Смотреть танцы сейчас скучно,не интересны даже пары - лидеры . Хорошо что интернет даёт возможность пересматривать : Пахомова-Горшков,Моисеева - Миненков, ГРИЩЮК-ПЛАТОВ ♥️
@@whitecat3923 они не так органичны в танце, как Грищук и Платов.
Torvill and Dean are the GOAT
One of my favourite parts of this free dance was their huge right back outside edges at 4:37. It was skated at amazing speed yet it was also skated with tremendous control.
Their material that year was such an improvement from the past. I think moving away from Linichuk and Karponosov was one of the best things they did because their choreography improved greatly in 1997 and 1998.
apparently they choreographed this one themselves
In the interview they said they choreographed the program by themselves
Deep edges, amazingly outstanding skating. LOVE this program , LOVE watching them skate
LOVE Oksana's style here !!!
i think this is their best program, and they skated it to perfection two months prior at europeans at bercy.
Шикарно , как ни странно , мне этот танец понравился больше чем их знаменитый рокенрол 94 г.
Есть ещё Frozen , похож на этот танец! завораживает !🔥
Какая скорость! далеко не все сейчас так катаются.
Как долго они в образе находятся !!! Очень красиво завершают танец !!!
Да,их отличает эта особенность от других.
Очень нравится диалог глазами таких мастеров, завораживает отношение Жени к партнерше 🔥
Так как Грищук и Платов входят в образ и передают его, им нет равных до сих пор. Техника, скорость, артистизм, харизма и все это на самом высоком уровне превращает их выступления в потрясающе красивый и захватывающий спектакль на льду! Они невероятно талантливые Артисты! Постановщики их выступлений и тренеры специалисты самого высокого класса!
Simply the best 👍👍👍👍👍
I loved this program abs this music. They were jamming and rocking it out towards the end there.
Съёмка конечно ужасная😥Танцуют феноменально! Фантастика!
Тогда ещё не было HD!)😉
Фантастика
this program was choreographed by Oksana Grishuk mostly and Evgeny
One of the best programs she did and it was again very successful.
Back when fluffs were a thing. Like if you miss the 90's televised skating drama.
Блеск!!!
"look at this lift...ooooo"...love Dick Button; he's the best commentator ever for figure skating! LOL!
They were definitely not at their best here. Pasha was injured so they weren't in shape, and they were a bit sloppy. Interesting point about that final lift. The judges were selective in their deductions (and they may have also missed the mistake). They did this beautifully at Europeans.
Лично моё мнение: эта программа даже выигрывает у их олимпийского "Рэквиема"!.. Кстати, в одном из англоязычных комментов в конце похожее высказывание..
This program is better than memorial requiem.
I thought the music was Arabian Passion?
I thought their music was Peter Gabriel's "Caravan," but I could be mistaken. Anyway, when you skate a program to a single piece of music, you better be able to carry it through. The gold standard in this regard is Torvill&Dean's Bolero. So well-rehearsed and choreographed that it earned iconic status. This program missed the marked on a number of points, though a pretty good performance. Grishuk and Platov were very-much a continuation of the frantic style of Bestemianova & Bukin; furious speed, repetitive movements, an emphasis on making the easy stuff look difficult. When you try to cram all that into a program, you run the risk of overflowing your vessel, the music, so to speak. As a local judge with whom I skated told me the day after G&P's performance; "crappy program, looked like they threw it together the night before." My assessment was not that severe, but my overall impression at the time was; "needed another month." That said, I can at least say that I thought this performance was more memorable than their Olympic Gold Medal performance in '98; I always have to call up the vid to remember anything about it and I never even care to watch the whole thing.
Grishuk & Platov were technically far more competent than Bestemianova & Bukin ever were. This program had some errors but it was ambitious and really showcased their incredible running edges. But yes, they definitely needed some more time as they sat out for part of the season due to his injury. And yes, some of their free dances that they had skated while being coached by Natalia Linichuk could definitely fit what you described like their 94 and 96 free dances which were hot messes. Their 92, 93, 97, and 98 free dances however were superbly choreographed and had excellent content (and IMO it's not by coincidence that none of them were choreographed by Linichuk).
gk891 I agree with you all on pretty much every point. I do feel this dance is much better than the one that won the Olympics the following year. BTW, the music is Peter Gabriel's "The Feeling Begins," which is on "The Last Temptation of Christ" soundtrack. Wonderful music but it is hard to time the ending just right.
LWOPP It seems like their 1998 free dance was an acquired taste artistically which I can understand (I also hated her tacky costume). But I absolutely loved it from a technical standpoint as it never stopped moving. They were constantly gliding over deep running edges from within challenging handholds. And all of their moves were done with very little set-up time. As for this free dance, I think the error on the lift towards the end may have put them behind the music. But it's incredible how they used absolutely every single beat while demonstrating incredible running edges (that was a strength of theirs that wasn't utilized well during their days with Linichuk).
It may just be that the "Bolero" Torvill - Dean gold standard. But this is their only dance that was remembered. And how many dances Grischuk - Platov can recall? This is Rock and Roll, that this oriental dance certainly Nagano Olympic and demonstration in the same place!
Blazhevino I haven't heard such nonsense for a long time. Nobody has so many memorable dances as T&D: OD Rumba, Paso Doble, Summertime, FTMAD, Barnum, Mack and Mabel and lots of incredible programs from their pro career. Bolero is famous among many non-skating fans. While non-skating fans have no idea who Grishuk and Platov even are.
Loved the overhead lift that they stole from Torvill and Dean.
This move can be from ballroom dancing . None stole this from TD. If anything TD stole that move from ballroom dancers
@@oksanagrishuk8592 ok Oksana say hello to Evgeny
@@oksanagrishuk8592 and to echo the sentiments of others in the comment section, you obviously stole from Jayne Torvill and Chris Dean's Song of India
I already thought I was looking in on a crazy person.
Not only did they miss the ending of the music, and rushed/messed up the final lift, but there were many elements that were almost identical to those in Jayne and Chris' routine Song of India from the mid 80s. It felt as though there were a lot of double standards going on in ice dance around this period of the 90s.
Someone are really funny, it's Arab style，not Indian dance.Unreasonable accusation.
@bridlah G/P were born of double standards.
How on Earth could a judge give a six for this - it is a rip off of the Song of India? But put that to one side. The six meant perfection, finishing 3 seconds after your music is not perfection. No argument.
This was the only interesting/good program they ever skated. All the other years they were overrated and never won the crowd over. Just my opinion.
most likely it was because their coach was Linichuk - quite puzzling and not very interesting programs was her trademark
@@MsRumex it’s interesting you said this because it was Linichuk (not Tarasova) who constructed this program in the off season before Grishuk/Platov switched coaches to Tarasova. 💁♂️
@@WittleHokie I know that Linichuk said that she was the one responsible for this programs (FD and OD). But this FD is sooo different from everything else she had ever done for this team, and Grishuk and Platov always were saying that Linichuk did work mostly with Krylova and Ovsjannikov and did not work with them (so that they had to do a lot of choreography themselves). And Tarasova in her book wrote, that when G\P came to her, both of their programs did have some major rules violations (and they had to reconstruct an OD and did make some changes in FD as well).
And also Linichuk did try her best not to let Grichuk and Platov be part of the Russsian national team in this season. I'd say it is a very weird behaviour for someone who created for them a great FD...... Yet, if she wanted another team to became Russian team #1 - it would be quite logical not to pay much attention to G\P (imho)
I completely agree. I found them boring, scruffy and not likable at all. Their first olympic title was a fix and the second olympic was a very bad poor man's bolero. They tried to be like Torvill and dean - but unfortunately absolutely not anywhere in the same league.
@@shellybrown5524 if they tried to be trovill and dean they would be skating super slow, but they arent. Whats the truth
There were, and never more than with these two, Judges overscored them numerous times. Their speed and running edges were "first rate," as Dick would say. Still, I didn't care for them because I don't like to see so much "borrowed" from other skaters' programs. For a long time they skated too far apart for long spells, and I never felt their lifts went anywhere. :::meow:::
I agree about their lifts. I didn't care for most of them.