I remember when Ebro tried to say 50 Cent ruined NY Hip Hop and 50 asked him " How did I ruin NY Hip Hop when you literally decides who gets played on the radio ?"
The problem has nothing to do playing someones music. The problem is when someone with a large following gets on a large platform and says "thats not my vibe" or "I don't listen to that stuff". Saying something like that can potentially impact my bag moving forward.
But that has always been flex he is a Night Club DJ besides his radio stuff so he plays records his audience and the people who follow him like.. All DJ's are that way just like when i was younger in my teens and 20's i wouldnt go to certain clubs on certain nights because the dj spinning didnt play hip hop he played house music mainly but most of the people in the club those nights was dancers so he catered to them.. I am not saying flex is wrong nor am i saying conway is wrong but this is how the radio business works.
@@Stoked214 not if we are supposed to be brothers sharing the same culture. Not if you had me and other members of my group on your platform showing love. Why would you want to say anything that could harm me even if it was true?
What E$$o saying might be correct- but the culture, the art form is suffering for it is n the city-NY is a lyricist town. With that said EPMD, Boot Camp and most of the greats did it no radio!
Jay Z, Nas, Busta, Snoop, etc. showed that there is still a market for older niggas in rap. If they came out in the '90s or even '00s as older cats, it would be a different story. Hell, back when rap first started, it was mostly teenagers making the music. So an "older nigga" in the '80s was like 25, lol. Chuck D. was 27 when he came out with P.E., and that was considered old af back then. LL was 15. Rakim was 17. Kane was 19. Slick Rick was 19. Hip hop is 50 years old now. No such thing as "old" anymore, as far as I'm concerned.
Except hes absolutely wrong about that. The only regions that actually support their artists w radio play is Atlanta and the Bay Area. Everybody else is contracted to iheart or power or a random DSP. Trust me. Im from LA. The niggaz who really poppin out of LA havent gotten a single spin. And its actually worse in smaller markets because its really easy to homogenize the playlist to sync w the rest of the country when there isnt a consistent sound coming from there. Just because the market is diff doesnt mean the ppl running those markets arent the same ppl as the larger ones. And you see it the most w DJs who try and support the artists they came up w and fk w and cant do it on a major platform because of all the hoops they have to jump thru FOR the artists who dont have the resources to do it all themselves. So then they get stuck regurgitating the exact same playlist someone in ATL or MIA or Orlando or Houston or New Orleans has just because this many and so and so artists are incentivized under the contract that the radio stations sign w the DSP or ad teams. Thats how the stations get past the payola portion of the syndication. Theyre basically renting out ad spots. Those ad spots are paid for by the DSPs. And the artists (who usually have a major label attached) are signed to advertisement deals so that it creates the loophole for them pay to get played. Your regional market doesnt even truly exist anymore because of it. If you dont believe me, why would there be a POWERHOUSE concert in every major radio market that plays hiphop? If these radio stations are so different and if these DJs played what they wanted at all times, why would there be a festival... w mostly the same headliners across the board for every city theres a POWERHOUSE concert? Unless the DJs and radio stations only really get paid to play the ppl the advertisers and DSPs say to play... js... something to think about. No shade on you though. I understand where u comin from.
@@jassxnc thats word , appreciate the reply. I agree what you saying on the big money coming having festivals , concerts etc. "Theres a war going on outside no man is safe from" Im from ohio and we support ours bout 75%
@@jassxnc very well put. I am a close friend of WSG & he has almost never cared to nor felt the necessity for Radio play because he understands everything you just said.. Conway his older brother, is making a stand for all of the underdog guys like he feels he once was.. it's his general demeanor in real life to call BS out & poke at Giants because he has a David vs Goliath mentality.. my 2cents
My man said, with a straight face "I fuck with them cuz of their merch, not cuz of their music." Bro, I cannot take another word that he ever says seriously again. I used to fuck with Flex heavy but a whole lot has changed since them 60 Minutes of Funk mixtapes. He's not paving the way anymore, he's just IN the way.
Yo, I forgot he said that, his rant was so outta pocket! For real, I lost my mind when I heard that about the merch... 🤯🤯🤯 Most insane take I've ever heard! 🤣
Yo I'm a scratch DJ for the last 20 years now and I have always said it is MY responsibility to turn heads on to what's hot 🔥 that they may not have heard yet.....not what I like....what they NEED to be turned on to. My 2 cents ..this is the best podcast about this lifestyle and culture I've seen yet. Keep the format flowing capos!
@J1465 people forgot about the 4 elements that makes up the hip hop culture. I don't listen to today's hip hop because they no longer have skills in the craft...it's been disrespected so much by these new cats that hip hop is old school
Wrong is USA thinking it's ok to lock a heShe up with women he put some nut in them in jail making babe he made two. Oh whats the talk bout here again ?
Naw esso made sense especially when he said go to buffalo and dominate (tbh idk if they have or not) then put pressure on nyc and Conway also correct people when they say he from nyc but flex probably on some fuck shit
@@yungtitan24 Esso did not make any sense when you think of The LOX, they’re from Yonkers! WU Tang from Staten Island! Redman, Naughty By Nature, etc etc from New Jersey! Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Heavy D from Mt. Vernon! They’re not for the 5 Boros! Nobody told them they need to go back to wherever they’re from! You’re supposed to come to NYC, thee biggest market in music biz, to make it! Esso drunk and he exposed himself as a hater! He didn’t have to say fuck them Buffalo niggaz! I’m glad Math did not co-sign that goofy shit! But Esso is the reason why they feel like they do! And Flex! Radio niggaz! Esso a corn!
The argument is about integrity. If Griselda is a NY Hip-Hop act (5boroughs or not) and they’re on fire why aren’t they getting spins on the hottest NY Hip-Hop stations ? Because a DJ doesn’t like them per-say or their music ? If the fans are in tune and demand it shouldn’t the DJ play it? If their hot in the city shouldn’t the DJ support it? They could perform at Summer Jam but not have their records played on the station?? That’s where the bias/politics comes into play.
Exactly. The excuses are pathetic and really need to stop. This has been going on for over 20 years now....it's beyond played out. Radio isn't nearly as dead as people think it is....that's why there's still tons of ads on it. It still impacts the culture and people like Flex are long overdue for being kicked out.
@@MrMakemusicmike they’re gonna play what the bitches want. The majority of them don’t give af about boom bap. Us hip hop (boom bap) fans, even female boom bap fans aren’t the targeted audience. The world especially America is gonna cater to the so called “ bad bitch ”! And we know the “ bad bitch “ don’t wanna hear any boom bap.
@@JRob1125 your right it ain’t, but I’m willing to bet the majority of listeners are so called “ bad bitches “ or simp niggas that pander to them. You wanna hear boom bap go to satellite radio. I bet 3/4 of these “ bad bitches “ can’t even afford satellite radio!
And this is why NY will never have the poll position ever again, why is it so difficult for New York to support New York? Being from the city or not Griselda is still a NEW YORK act and is arguably the biggest acts currently since Pop Smoke passed. Why is it so hard for radio to support them? They clearly have a large cult following that has the potential to be bigger. Why not give them the platform? Conway makes clubs records, the majority is definitely boom bap but why records like Scatter Brain feat Luda & J.I.D not getting radio play?! That is literally a record that can get played in the club and is Conway’s most streamed song on Spotify. This shit really has the stop and I’m a NY nigga. There should be no reason why Benny isn’t getting radio play daily.
Yup.. .I'm from NC but grew up on NY music, I play Griselda almost day (I'm 38), been playing them niggaz for 5 years now...🖕🏾 Flex, and Benny should def be a superstar....yall NY niggaz just too competitive..u see everybody from the South eating...niggaz talking bout mumbling ass Future smfh....really wish REAL NY music could come back, no shade to Pop or Fivio, but it AINT IT
Esso went way over the top because he just can't be wrong. In any case, Flex is one of the gatekeepers, that's apparent. NYC used to have a signature sound....not sound like EVERYONE else.
Bruh... your statement is sooooo spot on, and TRUE. Our sound is gone because now the NYC we once knew is gone. No one pushes our own sound anymore... R.I.P. Slay 🙏🏽
Reason why NY is gone cause they all want to be from Atlanta get paid like there from Atlanta dress like there from Atlanta use slang from Atlanta. FOHHH with that drill or other garbage music that plays on the radio. R&B rappers. I need bars not dancing and auto tune
Residing in Brooklyn near Eastern Parkway at Washington Avenue I had a clear view of the West Indian Day Parade from my window. It was a source of both pride and curiosity for my son and me as we engaged in counting the multitude of flags on display. As my son matured he began to question the absence of a flag symbolizing the collective identity of all the nations-a flag that could represent the unity and diversity of the West Indies. Regrettably I had to offer a pragmatic explanation acknowledging that such a symbol might not be deemed PROFITABLE in the eyes of those in power. THIS BROKE HIS HEART..!
Flex been out of touch, goofy, and clueless... But the problem is, he doesn't realize not every rapper wants to be a part of his "industry" pop rap radio club. I remember when he thought it would be a "great idea" to invite Tyler the Creator to come hang out at his car show with DJ Khaled and French Montana... SMH Bruhhhh 😆
Thank you. And they keep saying people don’t listen to the radio, people and personalities like him is the exact reason why. That’s why most radio stations don’t even play music like that anymore because they need payola in order to stay a float. So they only play the major artist (the ones who pay) and talk most the other time because no one is listening.
Fr, fr... I never seen anything like that! SMH Dude is 110% Hater. That's why the game is so 🤬 up! They're supposed to pay to get on the radio?!? Nah, B.
Im from Buffalo we bump Griselda wtf Esso talking about "Fuck a Buffalo nigga" this is exactly the point Griselda is making "its always the NYC vs Upstate" mindset
I rock with Esso, but he off on this one. Plus Conways gripe wasn’t about getting radio play. He didn’t like the way Suss One and Flex was publicly displaying their dislike for Griselda, because they have huge platforms and influence.
So because someone has a huge platform that can’t be honest about the music they like or don’t like 🤦🏾♂️y’all dudes these days be emotional and weird.
That whole “they from Buffalo” shit is a weak argument. Naughty By Nature, Queen Latifah, Joe Budden, Rah Digga, Fugees are all New Jersey artists that have had MASSIVE air play on New York radio. LOX, DMX, Heavy D, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Brand Nubian are all Westchester County artists and NOT from the 5 Burroughs. New York is still New York right? Let them Griselda dudes get some shine.
I stopped messing with Flex when he got hyped over wack bars from his freestyles but didn’t make an expression for the Griselda freestyles. Which were fire. Flex about making a buck. RIP Kay Slay🙏
I love this shit and I’m here for the smoke 💨 I’m a 52 year old black man who grew up in New York City and been listening to hip hop music since Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five dropped SuperRappin and SHG dropped Rappers Delight in 1979! It’s a crime that Ebro & Funk Flex don’t have a platform for NYC style hip hop music! Conway The Machine is a phenomenal artist! You can’t tell me that Nas last 3 albums, the Griselda crew, Papoose latest music, The Lobby Boyz, Fat Joe, The Lox, Fabulous and Rae & Ghostface music all wouldn’t be well received from a Tri State area audience. I truly believe that the dna 🧬 of NY/NJ/CT born and raised babies from this new generation still could identify with the “boom bap” sound of New York’s traditional sound. Cardi B & Nikki Minaj are NYC rappers playing the game based on today’s music playbook. You can mix their sound with the aforementioned artists and have a good balance! We as New Yorkers have been obsolete for 25 years and have had our soul snatched away from us by clowns running the music business! In life you have to evolve or die but truthfully, real hip hop music has been stymied on purpose. Only God knows how this will all play out! 💯
I love boom bap to death too but guess what ....we always say we wanna bring that back but the ppl who say that never support it....kool g rap, krs one, az and cats like dat still make albums but nobody supports the shit.....how come nobody was bumping do or die 2?
@@RASHONBOND973 ay. I support proper. But I get u. Ppl love to complain but not support. But I definitely do my part. Boom bap will always be that grimy side of the street and that’s ok. I think we just need to bring that respect back.
@@mellemel4635 they should try to make commercial records. They made a select few still care bout by hip hop guess, but not the masses and isn’t that the point? I mean you had big one of the illest lyricist ever doing commercial records and trying to reach the masses. He wasn’t stuck on one ny sound. They not doing nothing but hurting their own selves really
This more than any episode so far reminds me of where I used to get my hair cut. Unfiltered animated conversation that sounds like beef but really isn't 🤣
Hold Up! As A Southerner I'll State You're Blinded By Mainstream... The Dungeon Family, Little Brother, 9th Wonder, Pusha T, J.Cole, Big K.R.I.T, K-Rino Dead Prez, Curren$y And Many Others Hold It Down... On The "REAL RAP"...
It’s exhausting, really! What is not to understand at this point? Unfortunately, K Slay is no longer here. Flex works for Hot 97, if IHeartRadio doesn’t want to push Griselda, and Flex doesn’t have a good reason to push their records, what do they expect? Is there really a demand for Griselda on radio like that? Math said himself, he doesn’t listen to the radio, like most people who are looking for that sound don’t listen to radio. I’m confused as to why people mad at Esso what did he say wrong? That’s how radio works, payola occurs in many ways, but you must pay to play! I’m from NYC and tired of hearing this argument. It’s not going to change until people do something different.
Esso comes with a TECHNICAL mindset which provides the ultimate understanding. He has zero bias only authentic perspective. Logic over emotion (even tho he rant like crazy😂) Salute to bruh💯
Hey Math can you bring DJ Red Alert, Chuck ChillOut and Marley Marl on the show let them weigh in on the current state of hip-hop and radio. Being that they are the foundation of hip-hop radio. Their input would be greatly valued.
Flex has been like this for over 20 years. He doesn't rep Hip-Hop he represents radio and the clubs, who in turn represent the labels. As a DJ he has no power. Flunkymaster Flex would be a more appropriate name because this is what he has been for YEARS! He and those like him helped drive the traditional hip-hop sound underground instead of helping it flourish alongside the more popular/club sound of the late 90's early 2000's. Flex is not the hip-hop barometer and Conway and other dope artists like him should not expect him to be.
Exactly... far as I'm concerned, they killed real HipHop in the mainstream for many, many years with that trash club 💩. By the early '00s that was so tired. Real MCs and producers brought that feel back and now Flex wants to hate... SMH Unfortunately, radio is still very powerful in the industry, especially in NYC, so I see why they're mad.
4:37, conversation is over after the response to that question. "No. They get paid to play some of them." THAT IS LITERALLY ONE OF CONWAY'S POINTS!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
...or payola! SMH 😆 Dude just wants to keep gettin paid to play the same tired garbage that most people don't wanna hear. I love all kinds of music, but if I'm gonna listen to a genre, I don't want some watered down trash - I want the essence!
Westside Gunn said he don't fuck with Flex because Flex wasn't showing them any love. Which was true. Flex heard it, and doubled down on not showing them love
Funk Flex has no interest in preserving the essence of New York Hip Hop that’s what this is about. R.I.P and respect to Kay Slay he respected the soil of hip hop.
Say whatever y’all want Griselda brought back the essence of all of this culture no major just self marketing from the bottom I just wonder why does NYC hate Buffalo soooo much ?
Griselda carved out a sound of their own with the influence of roc marciano. They used to use the blanket term "boom bap" for themselves but they dont call themselves boom bap as per se anymore because their sound is unique. Boom bap is definately a dated drum heavy sound, simplified loops with a few looped notes bass heavy. griselda make sample based ultra lofi typically no snares and samples from media like wrestling. They are keeping the culture alive and fresh for real. Griselda, dump gawds al divino, roc marci, knowledge the pirate, ka, anklejohn, estee knack etc with production from dudes making the most cutting edge lofi music on the planet.
Real talk! They brought that _energy_ back from the classic records we grew up on but it's definitely its own sound... the last 5 years has been the Second Golden Era for me, and I gave up on HipHop for many years. Griselda, Rome Streetz, Boldy James, Mach & Fahim, Meyhem Lauren, Eto, 38 Spesh, Ka, Quelle Chris, divino & Nack, YOD... I could go on and on. My channel is dedicated to my favorite artists, including several you named.
@@dirkdiggler8794 your comments are laughable. you aint the only nigga in your 40s and they sound like wu? nah they sound nothing like rza and allah mathematics from the 90s. when tf did wutang use wrestling samples? 18 other people already agree with my comment while zero agree with yours
I'm tired of hearing people say Boom Bap is a dated heavy drum sound, we can say all this trap shit dated since DJ Paul and the Memphis rappers were already doing this kind of beats since the 90s. Its either good Hip Hop or like Cassidy said "Contemporary Urban music" for the mass audience to vibe.
Well he needs to put that cup down then... 😆 That was _embarrassing!_ Mainstream HipHop would be so much greater if artists didn't have to pay to get played. That's why radio _been_ trash! And he's bragging that he knows HipHop radio above all else lol Not sumpin to brag about.
Facts. Hip Hop has huge Caribbean influence. Our pod is steady trying to bridge the gap between our culture and North American culture. We have amazing talent here.
NYC means, New York City. Conway is from NY (State) but not from NYC (the 5 boroughs), he's from Buffalo. It's no different than someone saying someone is from the Bronx, when they're from Brooklyn. They're going to correct them. I'm from Philly, if someone says I'm from Pittsburgh, I'm going to correct them, even though they're both in PA.
It feels like the house of cards is crumbling and people seeing it. Esso sound like a straight up mid 2000s A&R.....the type of nigga that thought Little Brother was "too intelligent" for BET. Get these niggas out of the fucking culture man 😑
Griselda is the best thing in HipHop right now... they have been for several years, bruh! I was tired of "club records" _20+ yrs ago..._ Flex is ridiculous. Radio been trash for so long. Keep doin ya thing, Math!
@@hasheemmcpherson2563 I feel ya 100%, but bitches ain’t coming to the party if they knew you’re aren’t playing artist like Future. Many niggas are gonna pander to the bitches so they’re gonna play what attracts them. You ever been to a Griselda show? I’ve been to a few, ain’t gonna be tons of bitches there but the handful who actually like hip hop!
Griselda brought back more validity to the state of NY wit boom Bap style of music with sharp rhyme bars...and I'm from Hempstead NY, Strong Island... 20 mins from Queens NY and 8 hrs from Buffalo NY. They deserve more NYC radio play PERIOD POINT BLANK.
I was tired of that same tired crap almost two decades ago. That's why I stopped listening to most new HipHop... _until Griselda came along!_ They gave this old head faith in new HipHop again.
As soon as a person loses their temper and starts raising their voice, they automatically lose the argument. They also risk losing respect and credibility to a degree. When you're busy talking over people it means you don't respect their opinions and it also means you're unreasonable, meaning the other person's point of view is irrelevant and not worth listening to. The dry snitchin was pretty lame as well.
Your points are valid. If this was a business , political or collegiate discussion. However, this format is really opinion based , informal and New York AsF . Being NYAF , many adhere to the motto; “the squeakiest wheel gets the grease.”
Griselda doesn't need the validation of radio to be relevant. Radio does not break artist anymore. You break your music on the net. Also Griselda wouldn't have been played mainstream even in the 90s. So why is Flex opinion matters?
R.I.P DJ Kay Slay, staying awake in this times is very rare. I remember when DJ Kay Slay was big on the market scheme. Very noticeable, very Honorable. I remember when radio rap became podcast. The opinion to play other records from other DJ's, became competition. Rappers from other business ventures had video games, shoes, movies, and mixtape became global.
The argument is over when u realize Conway has records that fit radio RIGHT NOW. Yall ever heard "Anza"? Yall ever heard his joint wit J.I.D n Luda? Conway is NOT Westside. He's SUPER versatile.
Great point... I'm not into that sound all that much, but if you want club bangers, Conway has those, too! Yall ain't got a leg to stand on, other than "they won't pay me to play them!" 😆🤦♂️ Y'all 🤬 up the game...
I thought 21 got signed AFTER he was already poppin so he didn’t have a label to “pay the radio behind his back”. Esso you gotta relax lmao 🤣 damn. Next guests should be Griselda
Completely disagree, all Griselda member tour very heavily, do major festivals like rolling loud multiple times a year, Coachella and others. They show major success, maybe realitively small compared to other artists.
Dude is a hater what can he do besides dj? He's mad at every great rapper because he wishes he could rap like them but he can't and that makes him angry, all he can do is scream on records with a very annoying voice, that's why i was glad when eminem imitated and made fun of him.
@@dassolosyndikat5113 The dude is straight up jealous, no doubt... he can take that annoying voice and that obnoxious opinion, and go listen to "club bangers" 24/7. Give me that grimey feel!
That "Fuck Buffalo" comment gonna go the wrong way. I get the passion Esso has, but delivery is everything. Good video though. I love REAL hip hop debates.
@@sdatkb Fr... out of pocket and crazy disrespectful. Griselda deserves all the flowers and gratitude for what they've done - not this negative energy. And from these cats from NYC?!? Them dudes should be kissing their feet! Oh, it's good enough for Rae, Prodigy, Meth, Slick Rick, Busta Rhymes, etc etc etc, but it's not good enough for _you?!?_
And Esso just illustrated the problem...NYC niggas look down on Upstate NY...Griselda embodies the classic sound of NYC more than anybody right now while the rest of the city tries to sound like ATL TX and Chicago
I disagree with Esso. The Lox got heavy airplay even after they left Diddy because they were Ruff Ryders. Hot 97 played the hell out of Jada's first album.
Yup Jada and his team understood as long as you make 1 or 2 female friendly songs, you can put out more hardcore rap shit, as long as it ain’t to underground it’ll get spins on the radio or in the clubs. “ Knock yourself out “ was that song that allowed him some leeway.
My opinion, any artist from New York with a Buzz should be played on NY radio. From the Mobb Deeps to the Conway's to Don Q's down to the Kay Flock's. I'm from the Bronx and I grew up listening to radio and buying Mixtapes off the streets. Back when Clue had the Monday night slot I would listen and from that I discovered so many artists (Stack Bundles, Paul Cain, Fab, Ransom etc). New York forever needs that for artist coming up in New York. Does New York even have a say so in Hip Hop today? We've influence the whole world but no longer get credit for what we started and we are part to blame for that. So if we don't support and break our own artist, who will? Dope episode Keep winning. Can't wait to see you hit that 1 milly.
But apparently you have to be from one of the burroughs or you don't count SMH🤦♂️ This is why I can't get friends to listen to new HipHop... all they hear is the 🗑 on the radio!
Duke did all that screaming for absolutely nothing! Personal feelings aside, those Griselda dudes are The Essence and you don't have to like it ALL of their music to realize that!
🎯🎯🎯💯🙏🏼 _Talk to 'em..._ thank God for Griselda! If It wasn't for them and a few others, I'd never realized how much incredible HipHop is out there right now. They ushered in the second golden era, imo - bringing back that energy with their own unique, artistic spin on it.
Esso is tripping, all that yelling and nobody is standing by him. New York is NY, I stand by that. Anyway, Flex been tripping in NYC ... Matter of fact all NYC DJs been tripping on NYC.
That don't have Radio Records what's so hard to understand about that Even the Lox Big Wu Tang Jay Z etc it was never their hard-core records that got heavy radio rotation it was their commercial stuff
How Flex is going to have a problem with their sound when Hot 97 came on the Air 30 years and was built on the Boom bap sound I thought they would look at it as a return to the foundation of that station.
Exactly the kind of music you'd expect and hope them to play and promote... especially with all the OG cosigns! Prodigy, Rae, Meth, Slick Rick, Busta, Premier, Madlib, Pete Rock... and on and on. What else you need?!?
@@MrWARBUCKS24 MrWarBucks24 I agree there's no new sound Boom bap & 808s are all old drum sounds it's new to those that weren't around when the sounds was first introduced but it's a little different because Hip-Hop started here in NY and for artists like Greselda that make real Rap to be disrespected for sounding like where they come from NY State from the first Hip-Hop Radio Station in NYC is disappointing from Flex he comes from that Era the general consensus would be that he would know better.
I remember when Ebro tried to say 50 Cent ruined NY Hip Hop and 50 asked him " How did I ruin NY Hip Hop when you literally decides who gets played on the radio ?"
Facts
IT DONT SURPRISE ME THAT THE BURROUGHS DONT FUCK WITH WESTERN NY HIP HIP . ITS THE SAME AS JAIL NIGGAS MAD GEOGRAPHICAL!
Bring Griselda on the show and tell Esso to keep the same energy!
😂😂😂🤣
Benny would probably break his jaw during that session lol
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Joey Badass definitely keeping the 90's sound alive. Stay spitting dope bars on them nostalgic 90's type beats
So is Dave East.
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Yeah but it’s not the same.
The problem has nothing to do playing someones music. The problem is when someone with a large following gets on a large platform and says "thats not my vibe" or "I don't listen to that stuff". Saying something like that can potentially impact my bag moving forward.
But that has always been flex he is a Night Club DJ besides his radio stuff so he plays records his audience and the people who follow him like.. All DJ's are that way just like when i was younger in my teens and 20's i wouldnt go to certain clubs on certain nights because the dj spinning didnt play hip hop he played house music mainly but most of the people in the club those nights was dancers so he catered to them.. I am not saying flex is wrong nor am i saying conway is wrong but this is how the radio business works.
So folks with a large platform aren’t allowed to express their honest opinion?
people said the same about almost every large funk band. if your bag gets disturbed it wasn't solid to begin with.
@@Stoked214 not if we are supposed to be brothers sharing the same culture. Not if you had me and other members of my group on your platform showing love. Why would you want to say anything that could harm me even if it was true?
@@Stoked214 they really aren't bro! when you’re on commercial radio, you have to 'appear' neutral
The fact Griselda is eating without Flex means more - Those dudes are getting to it independently and as older rappers that’s impressive 🔥🔥🖤🖤
Facts bro thier music is now but thier from another generation of hip hop witch is dope flex is Trash bag !
What E$$o saying might be correct- but the culture, the art form is suffering for it is n the city-NY is a lyricist town. With that said EPMD, Boot Camp and most of the greats did it no radio!
Yep shade 45 was spinning them and made them big
Jay Z, Nas, Busta, Snoop, etc. showed that there is still a market for older niggas in rap. If they came out in the '90s or even '00s as older cats, it would be a different story. Hell, back when rap first started, it was mostly teenagers making the music. So an "older nigga" in the '80s was like 25, lol. Chuck D. was 27 when he came out with P.E., and that was considered old af back then. LL was 15. Rakim was 17. Kane was 19. Slick Rick was 19. Hip hop is 50 years old now. No such thing as "old" anymore, as far as I'm concerned.
They don't need flex
RESPECT KAY SLAY EVEN MORE NOW.. DUDE HAD INTREGRITY AND KNEW HIP HOP WAS BIGGER THAN JUST HIM
Math broke it down perfect. " Every other market supports home"
💯, but they from Buffalo smh....half them ATL rappers ain't really from Atl either, they still support
Except hes absolutely wrong about that. The only regions that actually support their artists w radio play is Atlanta and the Bay Area. Everybody else is contracted to iheart or power or a random DSP. Trust me. Im from LA. The niggaz who really poppin out of LA havent gotten a single spin. And its actually worse in smaller markets because its really easy to homogenize the playlist to sync w the rest of the country when there isnt a consistent sound coming from there. Just because the market is diff doesnt mean the ppl running those markets arent the same ppl as the larger ones. And you see it the most w DJs who try and support the artists they came up w and fk w and cant do it on a major platform because of all the hoops they have to jump thru FOR the artists who dont have the resources to do it all themselves. So then they get stuck regurgitating the exact same playlist someone in ATL or MIA or Orlando or Houston or New Orleans has just because this many and so and so artists are incentivized under the contract that the radio stations sign w the DSP or ad teams. Thats how the stations get past the payola portion of the syndication. Theyre basically renting out ad spots. Those ad spots are paid for by the DSPs. And the artists (who usually have a major label attached) are signed to advertisement deals so that it creates the loophole for them pay to get played. Your regional market doesnt even truly exist anymore because of it. If you dont believe me, why would there be a POWERHOUSE concert in every major radio market that plays hiphop? If these radio stations are so different and if these DJs played what they wanted at all times, why would there be a festival... w mostly the same headliners across the board for every city theres a POWERHOUSE concert? Unless the DJs and radio stations only really get paid to play the ppl the advertisers and DSPs say to play... js... something to think about. No shade on you though. I understand where u comin from.
@@jassxnc thats word , appreciate the reply. I agree what you saying on the big money coming having festivals , concerts etc. "Theres a war going on outside no man is safe from" Im from ohio and we support ours bout 75%
@@jassxnc very well put. I am a close friend of WSG & he has almost never cared to nor felt the necessity for Radio play because he understands everything you just said.. Conway his older brother, is making a stand for all of the underdog guys like he feels he once was.. it's his general demeanor in real life to call BS out & poke at Giants because he has a David vs Goliath mentality.. my 2cents
Chicago doesn’t
My man said, with a straight face "I fuck with them cuz of their merch, not cuz of their music."
Bro, I cannot take another word that he ever says seriously again.
I used to fuck with Flex heavy but a whole lot has changed since them 60 Minutes of Funk mixtapes. He's not paving the way anymore, he's just IN the way.
Yo, I forgot he said that, his rant was so outta pocket! For real, I lost my mind when I heard that about the merch... 🤯🤯🤯 Most insane take I've ever heard! 🤣
He 50
This comment is it! Spot on
Get him off the show wit that comment and everything else he was saying
What Merch? Boom boom boom boom boom boom
Yo I'm a scratch DJ for the last 20 years now and I have always said it is MY responsibility to turn heads on to what's hot 🔥 that they may not have heard yet.....not what I like....what they NEED to be turned on to. My 2 cents ..this is the best podcast about this lifestyle and culture I've seen yet. Keep the format flowing capos!
@J1465 people forgot about the 4 elements that makes up the hip hop culture. I don't listen to today's hip hop because they no longer have skills in the craft...it's been disrespected so much by these new cats that hip hop is old school
But Hoffa music ain’t it 😂
Why don’t you bring one of them (Griselda members ) to the show and get a true perspective of why they feel the way they feel .
I'm sure he is. Just a matter of time and schedule. Either Benny or Conway will pull up. Or both !
All of them
They gotta show the barbershop convo side
Wrong is USA thinking it's ok to lock a heShe up with women he put some nut in them in jail making babe he made two. Oh whats the talk bout here again ?
I'm sure there will be a response to this especially by the way Esso was talking
People got it twisted. Conway wasn't asking FOR LOVE from Flex. He was asking Flex to stop PUBLICLY saying he DOESN'T fuck wit Griselda.
He's free to express his opinion
Facts
@@willt8848 if you not gon play it, COOL, but counter-marketing is some BS
Facts
Thank you bruh, at least someone on the internet has some comprehension skills....
Really loving the energy over this debate 💯 It’s def worth it
Damn even when Hoffa made good points Esso just wanted to ignore it and speak over him. Crazy... Being loud and aggressive doesn't mean you right
Naw esso made sense especially when he said go to buffalo and dominate (tbh idk if they have or not) then put pressure on nyc and Conway also correct people when they say he from nyc but flex probably on some fuck shit
@@yungtitan24 Esso did not make any sense when you think of The LOX, they’re from Yonkers! WU Tang from Staten Island! Redman, Naughty By Nature, etc etc from New Jersey! Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Heavy D from Mt. Vernon! They’re not for the 5 Boros! Nobody told them they need to go back to wherever they’re from! You’re supposed to come to NYC, thee biggest market in music biz, to make it! Esso drunk and he exposed himself as a hater! He didn’t have to say fuck them Buffalo niggaz! I’m glad Math did not co-sign that goofy shit! But Esso is the reason why they feel like they do! And Flex! Radio niggaz! Esso a corn!
Naw, buddy was spitting facts. Hoffa didn't win this debate.
Im abt to dip, cant listen to this nicca esso he clashing with the pod with that shit
esso is correct though
The argument is about integrity. If Griselda is a NY Hip-Hop act (5boroughs or not) and they’re on fire why aren’t they getting spins on the hottest NY Hip-Hop stations ? Because a DJ doesn’t like them per-say or their music ? If the fans are in tune and demand it shouldn’t the DJ play it? If their hot in the city shouldn’t the DJ support it? They could perform at Summer Jam but not have their records played on the station?? That’s where the bias/politics comes into play.
Yes, play what the fans want.
Exactly. The excuses are pathetic and really need to stop. This has been going on for over 20 years now....it's beyond played out. Radio isn't nearly as dead as people think it is....that's why there's still tons of ads on it. It still impacts the culture and people like Flex are long overdue for being kicked out.
@@MrMakemusicmike they’re gonna play what the bitches want. The majority of them don’t give af about boom bap. Us hip hop (boom bap) fans, even female boom bap fans aren’t the targeted audience. The world especially America is gonna cater to the so called “ bad bitch ”! And we know the “ bad bitch “ don’t wanna hear any boom bap.
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@@JRob1125 your right it ain’t, but I’m willing to bet the majority of listeners are so called “ bad bitches “ or simp niggas that pander to them. You wanna hear boom bap go to satellite radio. I bet 3/4 of these “ bad bitches “ can’t even afford satellite radio!
This is the reason why Kay Slay was so important to NY and the East Coast in general. He played their records.
& what’s sad is Kayslay supported Other NY areas in music he’s on plenty of Old Benny music
And this is why NY will never have the poll position ever again, why is it so difficult for New York to support New York? Being from the city or not Griselda is still a NEW YORK act and is arguably the biggest acts currently since Pop Smoke passed. Why is it so hard for radio to support them? They clearly have a large cult following that has the potential to be bigger. Why not give them the platform? Conway makes clubs records, the majority is definitely boom bap but why records like Scatter Brain feat Luda & J.I.D not getting radio play?! That is literally a record that can get played in the club and is Conway’s most streamed song on Spotify. This shit really has the stop and I’m a NY nigga. There should be no reason why Benny isn’t getting radio play daily.
Real talk when the nigga said they upstate Ny not Ny city I was 🤯
Yup.. .I'm from NC but grew up on NY music, I play Griselda almost day (I'm 38), been playing them niggaz for 5 years now...🖕🏾 Flex, and Benny should def be a superstar....yall NY niggaz just too competitive..u see everybody from the South eating...niggaz talking bout mumbling ass Future smfh....really wish REAL NY music could come back, no shade to Pop or Fivio, but it AINT IT
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Doesn't even matter ... Being a Brooklyn nigga living in Buffalo ... The 716 fux with #BSF#THEBUTCHERCOMIN#GRISEDLA#THEREALNYSOUND
I agree!! Like we all New York!!
Esso went way over the top because he just can't be wrong. In any case, Flex is one of the gatekeepers, that's apparent. NYC used to have a signature sound....not sound like EVERYONE else.
Bruh... your statement is sooooo spot on, and TRUE. Our sound is gone because now the NYC we once knew is gone. No one pushes our own sound anymore... R.I.P. Slay 🙏🏽
Facts definitely NYC gone but will be back. But Esso always going hard (pause).
Reason why NY is gone cause they all want to be from Atlanta get paid like there from Atlanta dress like there from Atlanta use slang from Atlanta. FOHHH with that drill or other garbage music that plays on the radio. R&B rappers. I need bars not dancing and auto tune
@@jevonlloyd3058 Hella FACTZ My G 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Facts He always goes over the top to interject he was inbthe industry.
Lloyd Banks and Griselda artists should be supported and on the charts PERIOD
Once again... Conway NEVER asked Flex to play them.
He ain’t ask he basically begged at this point
@@grindhungry7 comprehension is key.
I feel like Esso is about to lose his voice or have a heart attack whenever he's trying to argue his point.
😂😂😂 he was hype as fuck
7:34
Residing in Brooklyn near Eastern Parkway at Washington Avenue I had a clear view of the West Indian Day Parade from my window. It was a source of both pride and curiosity for my son and me as we engaged in counting the multitude of flags on display. As my son matured he began to question the absence of a flag symbolizing the collective identity of all the nations-a flag that could represent the unity and diversity of the West Indies. Regrettably I had to offer a pragmatic explanation acknowledging that such a symbol might not be deemed PROFITABLE in the eyes of those in power. THIS BROKE HIS HEART..!
Flex been out of touch, goofy, and clueless...
But the problem is, he doesn't realize not every rapper wants to be a part of his "industry" pop rap radio club.
I remember when he thought it would be a "great idea" to invite Tyler the Creator to come hang out at his car show with DJ Khaled and French Montana... SMH
Bruhhhh 😆
He been taking Payola Bread for decades.Lost respect long time ago smdh
Tyler has a surplus of knowledge on automobiles. He owns classic Fiats and other timeless cars. His collection is crazy!
@@RELL4PRESIDENT facts
Thank you. And they keep saying people don’t listen to the radio, people and personalities like him is the exact reason why. That’s why most radio stations don’t even play music like that anymore because they need payola in order to stay a float. So they only play the major artist (the ones who pay) and talk most the other time because no one is listening.
@@RELL4PRESIDENT yeah no doubt, but I don't thing he was too enthusiastic about going and sharing that knowledge with Khaled & Frenchie... LoL
Esso hating, like The Machine said: get these dated gatekeepers tf outta here!
Fr, fr... I never seen anything like that! SMH Dude is 110% Hater.
That's why the game is so 🤬 up! They're supposed to pay to get on the radio?!? Nah, B.
“it’s not my job to know what clue plays” yet you the one screaming “IF ANYBODY KNOW RADIO ITS ME”😂
Im from Buffalo we bump Griselda wtf Esso talking about "Fuck a Buffalo nigga" this is exactly the point Griselda is making "its always the NYC vs Upstate" mindset
Facts
I rock with Esso, but he off on this one. Plus Conways gripe wasn’t about getting radio play. He didn’t like the way Suss One and Flex was publicly displaying their dislike for Griselda, because they have huge platforms and influence.
Absolutely! Unfortunately a lot of people are not picking up on that... it's just about giving the proper respect!
Esso be way off a lot . 🤦🏽♂️
How were they publicly displaying their dislike? Not saying you're wrong, just curious
@@SoapMacLavish look up when flex was talking to Gillie and Wallo on live.
So because someone has a huge platform that can’t be honest about the music they like or don’t like 🤦🏾♂️y’all dudes these days be emotional and weird.
Conway wasn’t complaining about his career he was complaining about flex not supporting New York artist flex wrong
Griselda is a lifestyle, I don't go a day without listening to any of them. They're the truth.
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Band wagon
@@james441 foh
_Talk to 'em!!!_ Every... single... day. 🔥
The fastest growing podcast INDEED!! Let's get it to 500K!! Proud of you, Math!!
That whole “they from Buffalo” shit is a weak argument. Naughty By Nature, Queen Latifah, Joe Budden, Rah Digga, Fugees are all New Jersey artists that have had MASSIVE air play on New York radio. LOX, DMX, Heavy D, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Brand Nubian are all Westchester County artists and NOT from the 5 Burroughs. New York is still New York right? Let them Griselda dudes get some shine.
I stopped messing with Flex when he got hyped over wack bars from his freestyles but didn’t make an expression for the Griselda freestyles. Which were fire.
Flex about making a buck.
RIP Kay Slay🙏
This situation is reminding me a lot of what Little Brother went through in the 2000s
Wow. Yes . Exactly!
For sure.....NC definitely was not playing them like that....Think I may have heard Lovin' It twice on 102
I love this shit and I’m here for the smoke 💨 I’m a 52 year old black man who grew up in New York City and been listening to hip hop music since Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five dropped SuperRappin and SHG dropped Rappers Delight in 1979! It’s a crime that Ebro & Funk Flex don’t have a platform for NYC style hip hop music! Conway The Machine is a phenomenal artist! You can’t tell me that Nas last 3 albums, the Griselda crew, Papoose latest music, The Lobby Boyz, Fat Joe, The Lox, Fabulous and Rae & Ghostface music all wouldn’t be well received from a Tri State area audience. I truly believe that the dna 🧬 of NY/NJ/CT born and raised babies from this new generation still could identify with the “boom bap” sound of New York’s traditional sound. Cardi B & Nikki Minaj are NYC rappers playing the game based on today’s music playbook. You can mix their sound with the aforementioned artists and have a good balance! We as New Yorkers have been obsolete for 25 years and have had our soul snatched away from us by clowns running the music business! In life you have to evolve or die but truthfully, real hip hop music has been stymied on purpose. Only God knows how this will all play out! 💯
YO MATH JUST THIS ALONE ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES HANDS DOWN THIS CONVO WAS NEEDED REALSHIT🗣🗣🗣🗣
Boom Bap all day. It amazes me some NY cats are still clueless on boom bap and NY is where it’s from…MathHoffa thank u for sticking up for boom bap!
I love boom bap to death too but guess what ....we always say we wanna bring that back but the ppl who say that never support it....kool g rap, krs one, az and cats like dat still make albums but nobody supports the shit.....how come nobody was bumping do or die 2?
@@RASHONBOND973 ay. I support proper. But I get u. Ppl love to complain but not support. But I definitely do my part. Boom bap will always be that grimy side of the street and that’s ok. I think we just need to bring that respect back.
Boombap is where its at🎤
This is the realest barbershop talk!! I love it!!
No disrespect to Buffalo but they Brought NY back n shouldn't have to go through this for some spins plain n simple 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
🎯🎯🎯💯🙏🏼 Right on point... they deserve gratitude, not hate.
I can't believe people are still obsessed with "club records" 🤦♂️
North Carolina scene been doin NY rap. Why you think all the big NY artists brought up 9th Wonder?
Did they really Bring NY Back tho? They brought back a sound but this not the same as when Big bright the East back after The West was dominating
@@Stonecoldalston I mean they made heads care about NY rap again not taking nothing from anyone else 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@mellemel4635 they should try to make commercial records. They made a select few still care bout by hip hop guess, but not the masses and isn’t that the point? I mean you had big one of the illest lyricist ever doing commercial records and trying to reach the masses. He wasn’t stuck on one ny sound. They not doing nothing but hurting their own selves really
This more than any episode so far reminds me of where I used to get my hair cut. Unfiltered animated conversation that sounds like beef but really isn't 🤣
Math you got challenged on that shit !!!! 🤣 REAL TALK HERE!!!!! GLAD YOU LET THIS CONVERSATION RIDE!!!
Flex is working for a higher power. Those powers dont want lyricism taking over ever again. They love this simple trash bama raps.
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LOL not that deep fam, Griselda jsut dont make radio music
Hold Up! As A Southerner I'll State You're Blinded By Mainstream... The Dungeon Family, Little Brother, 9th Wonder, Pusha T, J.Cole, Big K.R.I.T, K-Rino Dead Prez, Curren$y And Many Others Hold It Down... On The "REAL RAP"...
FACTS
@@dayoungchief please say it again
New York Been Having This Same Argument For The Last 15years 😂
It’s exhausting, really! What is not to understand at this point? Unfortunately, K Slay is no longer here. Flex works for Hot 97, if IHeartRadio doesn’t want to push Griselda, and Flex doesn’t have a good reason to push their records, what do they expect? Is there really a demand for Griselda on radio like that? Math said himself, he doesn’t listen to the radio, like most people who are looking for that sound don’t listen to radio. I’m confused as to why people mad at Esso what did he say wrong? That’s how radio works, payola occurs in many ways, but you must pay to play! I’m from NYC and tired of hearing this argument. It’s not going to change until people do something different.
Same in Cleveland... We don't get any Cleveland artist on the radio unless they got signed by a major label.
love to see all the love griselda is finally receiving, regardless of how you feel about the whole situation.
Meeca said they played Future soo much in Atlanta he thought the man died 😂 the love they show to each other down there is inspiring fr
Fr, that had me lol... 😆
Esso comes with a TECHNICAL mindset which provides the ultimate understanding. He has zero bias only authentic perspective. Logic over emotion (even tho he rant like crazy😂) Salute to bruh💯
He literally said fuck Buffalo. Fuck are you talking about?
I agree
@@tripsmarketinggroup Buffalo isn’t the 5 Boroughs is not logical because nobody said it was
Hey Math can you bring DJ Red Alert, Chuck ChillOut and Marley Marl on the show let them weigh in on the current state of hip-hop and radio. Being that they are the foundation of hip-hop radio. Their input would be greatly valued.
They know radio Marley chuck chill out and red alert
That would be a really good weigh in. But bring 1 at a time until the chairs are full.
Check the back catalog. I’m sure red alert been up here.
chuck had flex carrying his records and marley had pete carrying his records lolz....
I’m wrong it was drink champs
Flex has been like this for over 20 years. He doesn't rep Hip-Hop he represents radio and the clubs, who in turn represent the labels. As a DJ he has no power. Flunkymaster Flex would be a more appropriate name because this is what he has been for YEARS! He and those like him helped drive the traditional hip-hop sound underground instead of helping it flourish alongside the more popular/club sound of the late 90's early 2000's. Flex is not the hip-hop barometer and Conway and other dope artists like him should not expect him to be.
Exactly... far as I'm concerned, they killed real HipHop in the mainstream for many, many years with that trash club 💩. By the early '00s that was so tired. Real MCs and producers brought that feel back and now Flex wants to hate... SMH Unfortunately, radio is still very powerful in the industry, especially in NYC, so I see why they're mad.
Is Flex an exception or are most DJs like this now?
On par! Good answer Jay! UK Salute Sir! 🙏🏾✊🏾🔥
He does have power, he's the only dj on the EAST COAST that reports to BILLBOARD mag.
4:37, conversation is over after the response to that question. "No. They get paid to play some of them." THAT IS LITERALLY ONE OF CONWAY'S POINTS!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
R.I.P. Kay Slay!!!! God I wish he was here to hear Funk Flex's bullshit ass rant. Wish he was still here period!
i never seen wack hip hop get defended SO passionately
...or payola! SMH 😆 Dude just wants to keep gettin paid to play the same tired garbage that most people don't wanna hear. I love all kinds of music, but if I'm gonna listen to a genre, I don't want some watered down trash - I want the essence!
He not lying local Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse hip hop stations should be flooding the airwaves with Griselda
That doesn't mean NYC shouldn't be playing it... Buffalo plays what NYC radio plays, no?!?
I agree, put pressure on West New York.
They do play then especially Benny
Did Buffalo radio say publicly that they don't rock with Griselda??
It’s all about money. Buffalo is In NY, no where else in the north
As a dude from NYC but live in Buffalo... BSF gets played 100%....#THEBUTCHERCOMING
Westside Gunn said he don't fuck with Flex because Flex wasn't showing them any love. Which was true. Flex heard it, and doubled down on not showing them love
..|| exactly! cats like quoting shit out of context which misses the whole point ....
They literally went back and fourth on false information some incomprehensible readers man ffs 🤣🤣
@@gregordrizzlewing7339 they were trifling hard, especially Esso SMH ...
@@oNedrous_oNe he needa go back to school bruh 🤣
I totally agree with Griselda being a group that's keeping the 90's rap style alive. Coast Contra should DEFINITELY be a honorable mention
Coast! 🔥🔥🔥
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Most Def, coast.
Coast Contra is the Truth 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I keep hearing their name pop up, any recommendations for standout tracks from Coast Contra?
@@elevatedsupernova give up the goods freestyle is a good start
This makes me miss the days of talking to my homies about music. Good times 😁
This episode has proved to me that NY radio is trash, Funk Master Flex has been a sellout for a long minute.
🎯🎯🎯💯 Fr, it basically all is... but NY sets the tone for awfulness.
Funk Flex has no interest in preserving the essence of New York Hip Hop that’s what this is about. R.I.P and respect to Kay Slay he respected the soil of hip hop.
Say whatever y’all want Griselda brought back the essence of all of this culture no major just self marketing from the bottom I just wonder why does NYC hate Buffalo soooo much ?
The man wearing the queen shirt is Emotional🤣 #StopTheCap 🧢
Extremely. Im from rochester. We NY just as the 5 boroughs
Griselda carved out a sound of their own with the influence of roc marciano. They used to use the blanket term "boom bap" for themselves but they dont call themselves boom bap as per se anymore because their sound is unique. Boom bap is definately a dated drum heavy sound, simplified loops with a few looped notes bass heavy. griselda make sample based ultra lofi typically no snares and samples from media like wrestling. They are keeping the culture alive and fresh for real. Griselda, dump gawds al divino, roc marci, knowledge the pirate, ka, anklejohn, estee knack etc with production from dudes making the most cutting edge lofi music on the planet.
Real talk! They brought that _energy_ back from the classic records we grew up on but it's definitely its own sound... the last 5 years has been the Second Golden Era for me, and I gave up on HipHop for many years.
Griselda, Rome Streetz, Boldy James, Mach & Fahim, Meyhem Lauren, Eto, 38 Spesh, Ka, Quelle Chris, divino & Nack, YOD... I could go on and on.
My channel is dedicated to my favorite artists, including several you named.
@@dirkdiggler8794 how can it sound like 90s when it dont even have snares and bass in half the tracks?
@@dirkdiggler8794 you dont even know what you are talking about
@@dirkdiggler8794 your comments are laughable. you aint the only nigga in your 40s and they sound like wu? nah they sound nothing like rza and allah mathematics from the 90s. when tf did wutang use wrestling samples? 18 other people already agree with my comment while zero agree with yours
I'm tired of hearing people say Boom Bap is a dated heavy drum sound, we can say all this trap shit dated since DJ Paul and the Memphis rappers were already doing this kind of beats since the 90s. Its either good Hip Hop or like Cassidy said "Contemporary Urban music" for the mass audience to vibe.
They played so much future, I thought he died! 😂
Esso straight snappin, that Dusse got him GOING. 🤣🤣
Well he needs to put that cup down then... 😆 That was _embarrassing!_ Mainstream HipHop would be so much greater if artists didn't have to pay to get played. That's why radio _been_ trash! And he's bragging that he knows HipHop radio above all else lol Not sumpin to brag about.
Sounds like he wants to get paid to listen to music
Lil two sip bxtch
The passion in this episode got me on the edge of my seat. Just drop the whole thing Math so we can all binge watch this shit.
Facts. Hip Hop has huge Caribbean influence. Our pod is steady trying to bridge the gap between our culture and North American culture. We have amazing talent here.
This whole shit is facts math you be hitten shit right on the nail “griselda keeping hiphop alive”
🎯🙏🏼 Real talk!
Snapple Top Facts!!
Lol no they not! If hip hop sounded like em for the last 20 years it would’ve been dead.
I remember when Conway got offended when a host labeled him from NYC. He quickly corrected them he's from Buffalo so... 🤷🏿♂️
He proud of his city
NYC means, New York City. Conway is from NY (State) but not from NYC (the 5 boroughs), he's from Buffalo. It's no different than someone saying someone is from the Bronx, when they're from Brooklyn. They're going to correct them.
I'm from Philly, if someone says I'm from Pittsburgh, I'm going to correct them, even though they're both in PA.
@@kthebarbarian8223 well put
SO WAT HE IZ
@@kthebarbarian8223 FACTS SAME PHILLY BUT DEFINETLY FLEX DUMBASS TRYNA ACT LIKE THEY DNT KNW WTF GOIUN ON IF SUS ONE DNT KNW GRISELDA DAS ON HIM
Its like listen to my family at dinner time. THE BEST
Question is Griselda got big organically and radio doesn't want a piece of that? hmm. that means Radio purposefully not playing them.
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It feels like the house of cards is crumbling and people seeing it. Esso sound like a straight up mid 2000s A&R.....the type of nigga that thought Little Brother was "too intelligent" for BET.
Get these niggas out of the fucking culture man 😑
Griselda is the best thing in HipHop right now... they have been for several years, bruh! I was tired of "club records" _20+ yrs ago..._
Flex is ridiculous. Radio been trash for so long. Keep doin ya thing, Math!
Yep, Conway, Benny and Wess are the NICEST and have been for years.
if u were at a party would you wanna hear griselda?
@@RASHONBOND973 certain songs
@@hasheemmcpherson2563 I feel ya 100%, but bitches ain’t coming to the party if they knew you’re aren’t playing artist like Future. Many niggas are gonna pander to the bitches so they’re gonna play what attracts them. You ever been to a Griselda show? I’ve been to a few, ain’t gonna be tons of bitches there but the handful who actually like hip hop!
Stop it! I know this sounds cool, but cut it out lol
Griselda brought back more validity to the state of NY wit boom Bap style of music with sharp rhyme bars...and I'm from Hempstead NY, Strong Island... 20 mins from Queens NY and 8 hrs from Buffalo NY. They deserve more NYC radio play PERIOD POINT BLANK.
Hemp isn’t 8hrs away from Buffalo it’s 6
Conway made a good point. Who wanna hear 30drill songs in the club tho. Mix it up man
I was tired of that same tired crap almost two decades ago. That's why I stopped listening to most new HipHop... _until Griselda came along!_ They gave this old head faith in new HipHop again.
The so called “ bad bitch “ wants to hear it. Clubs equals bitches, they gonna play what the bitches like!
As soon as a person loses their temper and starts raising their voice, they automatically lose the argument. They also risk losing respect and credibility to a degree. When you're busy talking over people it means you don't respect their opinions and it also means you're unreasonable, meaning the other person's point of view is irrelevant and not worth listening to. The dry snitchin was pretty lame as well.
🎯 _No doubt..._ very well put. Disrespectful as hell.
He also admitted he's a hater cause they're not from the 5 burroughs. SMH
Your points are valid. If this was a business , political or collegiate discussion. However, this format is really opinion based , informal and New York AsF . Being NYAF , many adhere to the motto; “the squeakiest wheel gets the grease.”
@@Jimmy1982Playlists he didn’t say he was a hater. He said facts. NYC never claimed upstate and vise versa. Two different worlds
@@negrosuave9315 his display demonstrates he’s a hater
He didn’t lose THAT argument. NYC isn’t obligated to Buffalo 400 miles away. Toronto is a lot closer to them than NYC. Maybe they play them more.
Esso talking his shit today. He is FLAWLESS with his arguments.
Griselda doesn't need the validation of radio to be relevant. Radio does not break artist anymore. You break your music on the net. Also Griselda wouldn't have been played mainstream even in the 90s. So why is Flex opinion matters?
not true. Griselda would have been on the mix shows in the 90s
This is a conversation NY has been having for a while and we need to have it.
R.I.P DJ Kay Slay, staying awake in this times is very rare. I remember when DJ Kay Slay was big on the market scheme. Very noticeable, very Honorable. I remember when radio rap became podcast. The opinion to play other records from other DJ's, became competition. Rappers from other business ventures had video games, shoes, movies, and mixtape became global.
The argument is over when u realize Conway has records that fit radio RIGHT NOW. Yall ever heard "Anza"? Yall ever heard his joint wit J.I.D n Luda? Conway is NOT Westside. He's SUPER versatile.
Great point... I'm not into that sound all that much, but if you want club bangers, Conway has those, too! Yall ain't got a leg to stand on, other than "they won't pay me to play them!" 😆🤦♂️ Y'all 🤬 up the game...
@@Jimmy1982Playlists n here I was thinking Flex wasn't takin checks🤦🏾♂️
Exactly
Been saying Con the most versatile, he can do it all, IF he wants! Facts..and it sounds fire 🔥
I thought 21 got signed AFTER he was already poppin so he didn’t have a label to “pay the radio behind his back”. Esso you gotta relax lmao 🤣 damn. Next guests should be Griselda
🎯💯 Fr. That was embarrassing... he sound like Flex's gatekeeper lol
Facts
Glad to see them all just chopping it up without a special guest, just chopping it up. Showing real chemistry
This is why I love this podcast. Math youre a legend and a father, I salute you man. Thank you bro
Completely disagree, all Griselda member tour very heavily, do major festivals like rolling loud multiple times a year, Coachella and others. They show major success, maybe realitively small compared to other artists.
Facts!!
Conway and Benny was suppose to come to my country in UK in April but weren't allowed in, laughable to say they don't tour!
And have heavy spins on Buffalo radio....
Right..so Coachella ain’t a big deal? Fuck flex
@@RasMuata I'm from the Albany area and heard them plenty of times on my local radio stations
Oldhead Asap Rocky wildin 😂
Flex was LAST to play Wu-Tang. Flex said Pun wasn't nice. Flex said DMX wasn't top 50. He has a history, son.
Dude is a hater what can he do besides dj? He's mad at every great rapper because he wishes he could rap like them but he can't and that makes him angry, all he can do is scream on records with a very annoying voice, that's why i was glad when eminem imitated and made fun of him.
Preach!
@@dassolosyndikat5113 The dude is straight up jealous, no doubt... he can take that annoying voice and that obnoxious opinion, and go listen to "club bangers" 24/7. Give me that grimey feel!
That "Fuck Buffalo" comment gonna go the wrong way. I get the passion Esso has, but delivery is everything. Good video though. I love REAL hip hop debates.
He going to have to stand on that
@@sdatkb Fr... out of pocket and crazy disrespectful.
Griselda deserves all the flowers and gratitude for what they've done - not this negative energy. And from these cats from NYC?!? Them dudes should be kissing their feet!
Oh, it's good enough for Rae, Prodigy, Meth, Slick Rick, Busta Rhymes, etc etc etc, but it's not good enough for _you?!?_
Yeah I’m born and raised here and Buffalo and we don’t play that, not even on some tough guy ish.
Hope this is a prelude to having them on the show! ان شاء الله
And Esso just illustrated the problem...NYC niggas look down on Upstate NY...Griselda embodies the classic sound of NYC more than anybody right now while the rest of the city tries to sound like ATL TX and Chicago
NY rap is def drill rn
@@flygenyus2186 not necessarily denying that but we def not tryna sound like ATL tx and Chicago lol
I disagree with Esso. The Lox got heavy airplay even after they left Diddy because they were Ruff Ryders. Hot 97 played the hell out of Jada's first album.
I’m from Milwaukee and Jadakiss got major play….knock yourself out, we gone Make it, Why, etc
Yup Jada and his team understood as long as you make 1 or 2 female friendly songs, you can put out more hardcore rap shit, as long as it ain’t to underground it’ll get spins on the radio or in the clubs. “ Knock yourself out “ was that song that allowed him some leeway.
Only in ny pal
@@WilliamGone Jada was played in the Midwest heavy and in the clubs, knock yourself out and we gone make was played in the club heavy…..
@@WilliamGone niggas from the south love kiss lol even back then.
Lmao y’all gonna make esso snap lol. THIS REAL HIP HOP TALK 🔥🔥💪🏽💪🏽
Excellent conversation. Great point Math SALUTE
My opinion, any artist from New York with a Buzz should be played on NY radio. From the Mobb Deeps to the Conway's to Don Q's down to the Kay Flock's. I'm from the Bronx and I grew up listening to radio and buying Mixtapes off the streets. Back when Clue had the Monday night slot I would listen and from that I discovered so many artists (Stack Bundles, Paul Cain, Fab, Ransom etc). New York forever needs that for artist coming up in New York. Does New York even have a say so in Hip Hop today? We've influence the whole world but no longer get credit for what we started and we are part to blame for that. So if we don't support and break our own artist, who will? Dope episode Keep winning. Can't wait to see you hit that 1 milly.
“YoU nOt frOm dA FiH BurroUgHs, NiiiiiiiiiiGGa” 😂
Math was right every market support home instead of NY smh
But apparently you have to be from one of the burroughs or you don't count SMH🤦♂️ This is why I can't get friends to listen to new HipHop... all they hear is the 🗑 on the radio!
Duke did all that screaming for absolutely nothing! Personal feelings aside, those Griselda dudes are The Essence and you don't have to like it ALL of their music to realize that!
🎯🎯🎯💯🙏🏼 _Talk to 'em..._ thank God for Griselda! If It wasn't for them and a few others, I'd never realized how much incredible HipHop is out there right now. They ushered in the second golden era, imo - bringing back that energy with their own unique, artistic spin on it.
BIG FACTS💯
Nigga corny and I bet soft under all that screaming
Tbh they dont got a style nobody has never heard
@@majormindsbeats7740 really? who else had their style before them. Please tell me I'm dying to know?🤣
HYNAKEN AT THE END OF THE CLIP LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
Esso is tripping, all that yelling and nobody is standing by him. New York is NY, I stand by that. Anyway, Flex been tripping in NYC ... Matter of fact all NYC DJs been tripping on NYC.
Just because Esso don't vouch for Griselda, don't mean what he is saying is right bro!! Hynaken hit it right on the head!!
I could use much less Esso honestly
@@aaronwilliams6808 bruh on god. dude talks like he is the industry
@@aaronwilliams6808 Same
His comments might come back to haunt him,felt a lot of hate and aggression,fuck a Buffalo n*gga was a bit much ,clown
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Crazy thing is, they play them Griselda niggaz in Atlanta in clubs & on radio. We love them dudes down here
It's a shame Griselda can't get love from Flex when they represent the pure essence of what Hardcore Hip-Hop is. Sign of the "wack" times.
That don't have Radio Records what's so hard to understand about that
Even the Lox Big Wu Tang Jay Z etc it was never their hard-core records that got heavy radio rotation it was their commercial stuff
How Flex is going to have a problem with their sound when Hot 97 came on the Air 30 years and was built on the Boom bap sound I thought they would look at it as a return to the foundation of that station.
Exactly the kind of music you'd expect and hope them to play and promote... especially with all the OG cosigns! Prodigy, Rae, Meth, Slick Rick, Busta, Premier, Madlib, Pete Rock... and on and on. What else you need?!?
Flex used to be boombap but then he turned lollipop for some reason.
It was built on sound of the times ppl act like hot97 and NYC is the only place that don’t sound like 30yrs ago
@@MrWARBUCKS24 MrWarBucks24 I agree there's no new sound Boom bap & 808s are all old drum sounds it's new to those that weren't around when the sounds was first introduced but it's a little different because Hip-Hop started here in NY and for artists like Greselda that make real Rap to be disrespected for sounding like where they come from NY State from the first Hip-Hop Radio Station in NYC is disappointing from Flex he comes from that Era the general consensus would be that he would know better.
I’m from Detroit, but from the outside looking in Buffalo made NY relevant again 🤷🏾♂️
MATH IS 100% CORRECT!!!!