nice job! i clicked on a few of these before I found a voice I liked! this is the story I read in high school that made me start to appreciate literature. sometimes the endings aren't happy and satisfying but those endings are what make you start to ponder a little bit deeper.
which film? the one with James Cosmo or the one with Sean Astin? because '2081' was short and sweet and more true to the original text and so nicely done, i think it won an independent film award. but 'Harrison Bergeron' 1995 takes off and creates a whole secret society and subcultures and history, it was awesome (in a Hollywood cliché way) "..Alan says that his cousin in Cleveland has the one where the guy shoots himself in the head." what a fitting and dark twist from the original ending. his own kid. and the late 50s early 60s style is like an homage to the time when this was written, and reminds me when the Matrix thought that the late 90s was the best simulation for social comfort. so cool is that?
I really like the film and it does have the core concept (overwhelming equality in exchange for peace) but it doesn't go far enough with the equality and handicapping like leaving out all of the weights and masks and stuff🤐
If your reading this, Its 2021. Now most people think that time is changing oh no. Not at all.. Something is there like a wave of time. Turns out the clocks are clicking ticking tocking. Mocking me almost like its poetry. but school hasnt changed. 2016 5 Years ago but were still reading the same books, reading about JFK Somebody who lived in grey. But hey why not give it a shot in the head. Like your reading this in bed. Now your checking the time because why not wondering when school was gonna end but how? Your reading this because your in school Im under quarantine which, Corona Virus everybody is stuck at home. Been a year or so still no change now im not talking about quaratine i talking about school. Learned the same thing this year as last year. Might as well leave school to go drink some beer. But who knows, maybe I become a doctor or you become a school nurse. Maybe even a teacher or a marine and you recite a verse maybe even be a mom who uses money from her own mothers purse. Maybe your reading this when your sick, well I hope you get better. The world is ending in 18 Years, Febuary 29th 2029, I know this because it says so in the dictionary, in the scripture, even in ancient writings. Febuary 29th Look it up but be careful because it might leave you scared or happy who knows like a man like mr monrow, of course somebody from the past but did you know somebody named Jason Liro? Maybe you've seen him in your dreams maybe not, Wants to learn more about what Im saying? Of course you do your so interested if you werent you wouldnt be reading this. Check out Jason Liro he has a video on youtube with proof of the world ending but be careful, ;) ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html
The equity doctrine taken to its logic conclusion... still think Timequake was his best, but this is the most prophetic... The HC lady... I can't stop picturing Merkel...
No. This is satire, making fun of people who would interpret it like that. If you know Vonnegut, you’d understand his distain for objectivism and bashing socialism ignorantly.
@@marshallbarrows5626 And yet he got it right. I recently had a discussion with my fourteen year old son about that cartoon which describes the difference between Equality and Equity. I gave him this. Of course the cartoon never mentions where or how the shortest kid gets the boxes on which he is standing to be able to see over the fence. This story is the answer, it’s at the expense of others who had noting to do with him being born basically a midget. I’ve read most of Vonnegut’s novels and sure, I can see the possibility that like Bokononism, this was a thinly veiled shot at the American sense of Protestant individualism. But even as a cartoonish proposition, the central scenario is so on the nose with today’s Woke Movement that maybe even the Great Vonnegut stumbled on to the truth.
@@DoroteoVilla I mean, not really. The “Woke” movement you prescribe to the new social consciousness people are developing is something Vonnegut himself would see as good (of course critiquing and satirizing it’s shortcomings.). Vonnegut never though in absolutes like you and I (admittedly) are. It’s a satirization of many things but notably the incredibly strange outlook that many novelists like Ayn Rand saw could happen when writing her terrible excuses for literature. I don’t think he had any intention on attack politically correct movements because he understood why they existed, and he himself (as an outspoken socialist) most likely had been on good terms with at the time of his passing. It’s dishonest for both of us really to say that he’s just satirizing one part of American art and culture. That’s not how satire works, it’s a multifaceted, genius way of giving poignant and often true critiques of the culture we reside in. So no, this isn’t necessarily at all a critique that could applied to the “woke movement” that disenfranchised republicans and conservatives like to tack on as if it exists. This is a critique of a burgeoning anxiety that arose out of post-war American and how those anti-collectivist novelists are just plain laughable. As with all art, we should approach it solely with the authors intentions and not apply our own prejudices. This is a great piece of work, and someone like myself (who subscribes to Marxist and socially-progressive doctrines) loves this, even if it is, across schooling, sorrily misinterpreted.
@@marshallbarrows5626 Hmmm. Well, you've said a lot. I suppose you're right. There's no use ascribing personal biases onto what neither of us can truly say was what Vonnegut meant beyond what's on the page. To be sure, Vonnegut towards the latter part of his life was in lock step with what Wokism was born from, rank Socialism. Again, I've read his books too and he was indeed at odds with Capitalism, much of American history, etc. But one can't deny that absent any context, what is on the page would seem prescient in light of today's notions of equality/equity. Sure, one could claim that this was a dig against Ayn Rand/Objectivism/individualism, etc yet again I say, he left what would seem one of the sharpest cuts against notions of equity that have ever been written. You can try and stand on front of it, waive your arms and proclaim that, you know, people just don't get it but I'll use one of my favorite lines by Vonnegut himself when it comes to people who have some sort of third eye when it comes to art, including Vonnegut's. Don't forget, he wrote some pretty clear anti Communist stories too. Read All The King's Men. Not exactly a love letter to Communist droogs either. "I hated both the painter and the novelist. They were part of a class that had entered into a conspiracy in order to make poor people feel stupid." This is from Breakfast of Champions. The good news is that my son got the point. On the one hand you have that absurd cartoon that pretends to paint a picture of life where midgets have some moral right to a free ride and on the other, you have Harrison Bergeron. I'm sure Vonnegut would cackle at the irony. Good chat.
what if they enhanced citizens' abilities instead of limited them? Wouldn't that be a good thing? I mean, if everyone was the same, wouldn't everyone be some kind of superhuman? If someone was smarter while another was stronger, you would enhance the smart persons strength and the strong person's intelligence, making both really smart and really strong.
Because they would have the means to threaten the Government. They would have the intelligence to see past the lies used to control the population, and the strength to overthrow the ones in control.
For all the conservatives in this comment section, Kurt Vonnegut was an ardent socialist. He was anti-capitalist, anti-racist, and anti-imperialist. He would not support your weird nonsense.
How do you figure that conservatives who adhere to the status quo as weirdos? Since most people who identify as conservative vote (in American politics) vote Republican and well through observation I've concluded that there isn't anything conservative about the Republican party. What Progressives will accomplish in 5 years it takes Republicans to accomplish in 10. Socialists end goal is commuism and always imperialistic. Anti-racist doesn't mean anti-bigoted and socialist are very bigoted twords anyone who don't tote the party line. Capitolism is a term I perfer not to use. I believe in free association and voluntary exchange, free markets. Not this soft fascism we currently have in America with corporate and political interests are weded. Orwell was also a Socialist and could also point out how quickly that could go wrong, so I guess nobody's perfect. Which leads me to my point nobody's perfect, a person is a person not a collective and government don't care about collective intersts only their own. Centralized control of anything is bad whether it be State control or corporate. Centralized control relies to heavily on the right person being in charge and that never happens. People that typically seek that kind of power and control are usually the person you'd want to have it. After all, all animals are equal just some more than others. How correct can an idea be if force is needed to implement it?
So conservatives should only find meaning in stories written by conservative authors? Interesting take. I can’t imagine a right-winger having a similar reaction to a leftist agreeing with Solzhenitsyn about something or other.
Thank You 1974. I was born in 1960. Too many people lived this in their first 14 years. My wife, as well, across the continent in another United Way group home hell hole. War on poverty you know. Group homes were the only family abortive for the extant individual no one wanted around. The big diff.? my parents died in 1977 with $2.4M. Not poverty cruelty.
Total hierarchy and total equality are both incredibly flawed. _I know this is a joke but I'm so tired with school and the rest of this comment section I just want to rant_ Total hierarchy such as the original caste system forces people to be put at a disadvantage or advantage at birth with no chance to change. But at the same time, total equality like communism during the Soviet Union is destructive when it, to borrow from DnD's neutral good alignment, advances mediocrity by limiting the actions of the truly capable.
Yet another who misses the irony here. Yes, the original intent was to parody the right, from the point of view of the left. It is a parody of what the left thought the right thought of them. At the time it was probably pretty funny, and satirical. But the once parody the left used as an absurd right wing view of what the left stood for, the left today actually stands for, and that kids, is what we call irony. It would be about like 50 years ago someone on the left saying "right wingers are so stupid they probably think we think it is fashionable for men to dress up like women and pretend they are women". Well, need I say more?
Only radical leftists, probably literal communists or something. Most are moderate, don’t let an exaggeration make you forget about the issues we still face.
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Hello everyone watching this in class!
Hi lol
sup
Not in your class but Hello!
Lmao hi
Lame didn't find it by yourself
This should be required reading for anyone who discusses equality or equity
It seems like nobody talks about the difference
nice job! i clicked on a few of these before I found a voice I liked!
this is the story I read in high school that made me start to appreciate literature. sometimes the endings aren't happy and satisfying but those endings are what make you start to ponder a little bit deeper.
Thanks Dave! that means a lot. Those unhappy endings really stick with you after you're done reading.
Fr, this one bitch was trash.
How relevant...
Online school 😂
Lmao I’m quarantined right now
Facts
Auto didactic like a mu fugga
*looks nervously at the SAT grading policy*
Wonderful. Thank you
60 years late on the prediction, it’s already happening
Actually, he was early. The story is set in 2081. We may get there quicker than even Vonnegut feared.
Hello to the people in English class XD
Absolutely brilliant and most insightful as to where the world is headed.
Wake up America, wake up!
agree people gotta wake up and stay woke otherwise we're going to shit
hello english class....
Crazy how if you listen to this story with headphones there’s a small dog incessantly yipping in the background.
hello class watching this
Haha hi
Eerily accurate
Honestly sad how many can't see that this is classic Vonnegut satire...
Damn English class.....
The film is a million times better. The concept for this story is pretty cool and it gets expanded on by multitudes in its visual media form.
which film? the one with James Cosmo or the one with Sean Astin?
because '2081' was short and sweet and more true to the original text and so nicely done, i think it won an independent film award.
but 'Harrison Bergeron' 1995 takes off and creates a whole secret society and subcultures and history, it was awesome (in a Hollywood cliché way)
"..Alan says that his cousin in Cleveland has the one where the guy shoots himself in the head." what a fitting and dark twist from the original ending. his own kid.
and the late 50s early 60s style is like an homage to the time when this was written, and reminds me when the Matrix thought that the late 90s was the best simulation for social comfort.
so cool is that?
I really like the film and it does have the core concept (overwhelming equality in exchange for peace) but it doesn't go far enough with the equality and handicapping like leaving out all of the weights and masks and stuff🤐
If your reading this, Its 2021. Now most people think that time is changing oh no. Not at all.. Something is there like a wave of time. Turns out the clocks are clicking ticking tocking. Mocking me almost like its poetry. but school hasnt changed. 2016 5 Years ago but were still reading the same books, reading about JFK Somebody who lived in grey. But hey why not give it a shot in the head. Like your reading this in bed. Now your checking the time because why not wondering when school was gonna end but how? Your reading this because your in school Im under quarantine which, Corona Virus everybody is stuck at home. Been a year or so still no change now im not talking about quaratine i talking about school. Learned the same thing this year as last year. Might as well leave school to go drink some beer. But who knows, maybe I become a doctor or you become a school nurse. Maybe even a teacher or a marine and you recite a verse maybe even be a mom who uses money from her own mothers purse. Maybe your reading this when your sick, well I hope you get better. The world is ending in 18 Years, Febuary 29th 2029, I know this because it says so in the dictionary, in the scripture, even in ancient writings. Febuary 29th Look it up but be careful because it might leave you scared or happy who knows like a man like mr monrow, of course somebody from the past but did you know somebody named Jason Liro? Maybe you've seen him in your dreams maybe not,
Wants to learn more about what Im saying? Of course you do your so interested if you werent you wouldnt be reading this. Check out Jason Liro he has a video on youtube with proof of the world ending but be careful, ;) ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html
1961..
hey peeps
You should do sirens of titan
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The equity doctrine taken to its logic conclusion... still think Timequake was his best, but this is the most prophetic...
The HC lady... I can't stop picturing Merkel...
@Elizabeth 1 or is it allegory?
No. This is satire, making fun of people who would interpret it like that. If you know Vonnegut, you’d understand his distain for objectivism and bashing socialism ignorantly.
@@marshallbarrows5626 And yet he got it right. I recently had a discussion with my fourteen year old son about that cartoon which describes the difference between Equality and Equity. I gave him this. Of course the cartoon never mentions where or how the shortest kid gets the boxes on which he is standing to be able to see over the fence. This story is the answer, it’s at the expense of others who had noting to do with him being born basically a midget.
I’ve read most of Vonnegut’s novels and sure, I can see the possibility that like Bokononism, this was a thinly veiled shot at the American sense of Protestant individualism. But even as a cartoonish proposition, the central scenario is so on the nose with today’s Woke Movement that maybe even the Great Vonnegut stumbled on to the truth.
@@DoroteoVilla I mean, not really. The “Woke” movement you prescribe to the new social consciousness people are developing is something Vonnegut himself would see as good (of course critiquing and satirizing it’s shortcomings.). Vonnegut never though in absolutes like you and I (admittedly) are. It’s a satirization of many things but notably the incredibly strange outlook that many novelists like Ayn Rand saw could happen when writing her terrible excuses for literature. I don’t think he had any intention on attack politically correct movements because he understood why they existed, and he himself (as an outspoken socialist) most likely had been on good terms with at the time of his passing. It’s dishonest for both of us really to say that he’s just satirizing one part of American art and culture. That’s not how satire works, it’s a multifaceted, genius way of giving poignant and often true critiques of the culture we reside in. So no, this isn’t necessarily at all a critique that could applied to the “woke movement” that disenfranchised republicans and conservatives like to tack on as if it exists. This is a critique of a burgeoning anxiety that arose out of post-war American and how those anti-collectivist novelists are just plain laughable. As with all art, we should approach it solely with the authors intentions and not apply our own prejudices. This is a great piece of work, and someone like myself (who subscribes to Marxist and socially-progressive doctrines) loves this, even if it is, across schooling, sorrily misinterpreted.
@@marshallbarrows5626 Hmmm. Well, you've said a lot. I suppose you're right. There's no use ascribing personal biases onto what neither of us can truly say was what Vonnegut meant beyond what's on the page. To be sure, Vonnegut towards the latter part of his life was in lock step with what Wokism was born from, rank Socialism. Again, I've read his books too and he was indeed at odds with Capitalism, much of American history, etc.
But one can't deny that absent any context, what is on the page would seem prescient in light of today's notions of equality/equity. Sure, one could claim that this was a dig against Ayn Rand/Objectivism/individualism, etc yet again I say, he left what would seem one of the sharpest cuts against notions of equity that have ever been written. You can try and stand on front of it, waive your arms and proclaim that, you know, people just don't get it but I'll use one of my favorite lines by Vonnegut himself when it comes to people who have some sort of third eye when it comes to art, including Vonnegut's. Don't forget, he wrote some pretty clear anti Communist stories too. Read All The King's Men. Not exactly a love letter to Communist droogs either.
"I hated both the painter and the novelist. They were part of a class that had entered into a conspiracy in order to make poor people feel stupid." This is from Breakfast of Champions.
The good news is that my son got the point. On the one hand you have that absurd cartoon that pretends to paint a picture of life where midgets have some moral right to a free ride and on the other, you have Harrison Bergeron. I'm sure Vonnegut would cackle at the irony. Good chat.
Harrison Bergeron
who wants to help me annotate this?
Hello DCMS :D
This is Equity.
what if they enhanced citizens' abilities instead of limited them? Wouldn't that be a good thing? I mean, if everyone was the same, wouldn't everyone be some kind of superhuman? If someone was smarter while another was stronger, you would enhance the smart persons strength and the strong person's intelligence, making both really smart and really strong.
Because they would have the means to threaten the Government. They would have the intelligence to see past the lies used to control the population, and the strength to overthrow the ones in control.
Prophetic. Sad!
The government needs Society to have meaning....
Let's make this fiction again
For all the conservatives in this comment section, Kurt Vonnegut was an ardent socialist. He was anti-capitalist, anti-racist, and anti-imperialist. He would not support your weird nonsense.
How do you figure that conservatives who adhere to the status quo as weirdos? Since most people who identify as conservative vote (in American politics) vote Republican and well through observation I've concluded that there isn't anything conservative about the Republican party. What Progressives will accomplish in 5 years it takes Republicans to accomplish in 10. Socialists end goal is commuism and always imperialistic. Anti-racist doesn't mean anti-bigoted and socialist are very bigoted twords anyone who don't tote the party line. Capitolism is a term I perfer not to use. I believe in free association and voluntary exchange, free markets. Not this soft fascism we currently have in America with corporate and political interests are weded. Orwell was also a Socialist and could also point out how quickly that could go wrong, so I guess nobody's perfect. Which leads me to my point nobody's perfect, a person is a person not a collective and government don't care about collective intersts only their own. Centralized control of anything is bad whether it be State control or corporate. Centralized control relies to heavily on the right person being in charge and that never happens. People that typically seek that kind of power and control are usually the person you'd want to have it. After all, all animals are equal just some more than others.
How correct can an idea be if force is needed to implement it?
So conservatives should only find meaning in stories written by conservative authors? Interesting take. I can’t imagine a right-winger having a similar reaction to a leftist agreeing with Solzhenitsyn about something or other.
@@Frederick1483 what I’m saying is that Kurt Vonnegut would be disgusted by y’all using his work to push your weird agendas, which is the truth.
Thank You 1974. I was born in 1960. Too many people lived this in their first 14 years. My wife, as well, across the continent in another United Way group home hell hole. War on poverty you know. Group homes were the only family abortive for the extant individual no one wanted around. The big diff.? my parents died in 1977 with $2.4M. Not poverty cruelty.
A sixty-year-old warning from the Left itself... well isn't that rich
Online school suck
With the people carrying all of that weight around; they'd be amazingly strong; if they ever took the weight off. Hence the headphones and goggles.
descovers hiarchy: oh my god its not fair... Descovers equality: oh shit um i was actually better off before...
Total hierarchy and total equality are both incredibly flawed. _I know this is a joke but I'm so tired with school and the rest of this comment section I just want to rant_
Total hierarchy such as the original caste system forces people to be put at a disadvantage or advantage at birth with no chance to change. But at the same time, total equality like communism during the Soviet Union is destructive when it, to borrow from DnD's neutral good alignment, advances mediocrity by limiting the actions of the truly capable.
This isn't equality... you missed the point. A shallow, shallow analysis
People still reading this straight instead of as a parody of their very own objectivist ideas
Exactly
Yet another who misses the irony here. Yes, the original intent was to parody the right, from the point of view of the left. It is a parody of what the left thought the right thought of them. At the time it was probably pretty funny, and satirical. But the once parody the left used as an absurd right wing view of what the left stood for, the left today actually stands for, and that kids, is what we call irony. It would be about like 50 years ago someone on the left saying "right wingers are so stupid they probably think we think it is fashionable for men to dress up like women and pretend they are women". Well, need I say more?
@@digitalfootballer9032 Nope….still not getting it..🤦♂️
i dont like english class
Same I’m falling
@@HarryPotter-qk8kd ill catch u
The liberal vision of the future.
Only radical leftists, probably literal communists or something. Most are moderate, don’t let an exaggeration make you forget about the issues we still face.
@@gmgunnhildr2711 y'all know Vonnegut was a vocal leftist, right?
Messick yeah, and?
This story is strikingly similar to how SAT and ACT scores are recorded.
@@1358Paco COMMUNIST, just like nazis are on the right
Gay
@DesertDirtDog He can't. He ate the crayons.
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