I understand you, I had a Lenovo from 2010 that the keyboard, battery and screen didn't work and the HD was dying I used it until months ago when I switched to a new lenovo
Will it ever run a 64bit win 10? Doubt it an x86 has trouble enough emulating arm properly and it can do it reasonably fast but go the other way around and it's really difficult
When the covid quarantine started in my country, nostalgia took over me and I felt the need to play counter strike 1.6 online. So I made some video calls with my old school friends to invite them to play. I installed on my macbook pro, a virtual pc with windows xp, also CS 1.6 and Hamachi (a LAN emulator on devices connected by WAN) and this way I could play with my friends via internet and remember old times of vices in the cybercafe. I spent days testing multiple programs to create virtual machines, and many windows and CS installations that are stable. Parallels was the ultimate solution. Your joy in the video testing old systems mounted on modern devices made me remember that happiness of playing again with my friends at a distance. Greetings from Argentina!
1.6 days with friends are memories i will always look back on fondly some of those friends aint around anymore sadly but the memories and fun we had ill forever remember.
If memory is very tight, keep in mind that 32-bit applications and OSes use a *lot* less memory (both storage and RAM) than 64 bit. I bet this is half the reason you got XP running pretty well. I'm actually impressed that x86 emulation runs that well. Always go native architecture if you can. Would love to see ARM Windows running with this.
well yeah, 32 bit systems can only have up to about 4 gigs of ram, so their applications would of course have to be designed to use a conservative amount so that the actual OS can run
@@HearMeLearn This isn't quite right. PAE means that only individual applications are limited to 4GB. The reason 64 bit uses more storage and RAM is that pointers and registers are larger. Basically it uses/wastes more space when storing things. BTW, big fan, watch TTL all the time! ;-)
With 16 gigs of ram in the 1 and 2 terabyte iPad you could potentially run Mac OS big sur with 4 gigs of ram without over going the 25% barrier and if you have the 2 tb one you could make an modernly sized 1tb disk. And with how ridiculously fast they are, you might just be able to run it close to the performance of the oldest Macs that can run big sur.
@@snazzy We all get it, Apple does the whole "we're going to highlight the button for the action we want the user to take." Can't count how many times I've been in one these popup loops because I wasn't focusing on the text
@@ORIOLESFan02 modifier keys are probably not taken by the VM, so hitting command + q might just result in closing the app in the host system. Just my guess.
The weird thing happening in half life with the mouse is due to the lack of pointer capture/relative pointer movement in the ipados apis. See it as if the pointer is glued to the center of the screen by a soft glue, any movement in any direction will be captured, but when the movement stops, the pointer returns to the centre of the screen. If the game expects that "glue" to be there, but it isn't, it'll just rotate the camera forever in the direction the mouse pointer is located on the screen relative to the centre where it was supposed to return. Hope this makes sense.
The mouse issues in Half Life are because the mouse appears to be using absolute mouse input vs relative mouse input. In other words, absolute gives exact coordinates of where the cursor is on the screen, vs relative (which is what you want for games) just gives the difference in the cursor position, i.e. +1 up, +1 right etc. There might be a way to correct that in UTM, but it's an issue in RDP as well.
This applies to virtually almost every extracurricular activity you can think of. Even when you look at somebody gardening or baking something delicious and then you try to do it yourself and you realize that unless you do it for 5-10 years it’s going to suck/not worth the hassle. Or even if you’re an expert right away the amount of work needed it’s not worth the reward even though it looked like it when you were watching somebody do it.
I feel like a lot of Macintosh users have love/hate relationship towards Apple and the only reason we are still on Mac is out of spite. Like. "Oh Apple, you are trying to prevent me from doing this specific thing I want. Well, I will do it anyway. Watch me". I love MacOSX, I don't like Apple. I don't think that is really unusual in Macintosh community.
The problem with the mouse is a current issue regarding touchscreen. When creating a first person 3D game, the cursor is warped to the center of the screen and the motion is based on the distance from the center each frame. However, a touchscreen cannot warp the mouse position, because the user presses the screen to activate it.
"you certainly couldn't do audio or video production over remote desktop" I worked in a design agency that had such awful computers that I used to do most work remotely in my computer at home
You have to jailbreak the newer iPads, I believe this was killed when they switched to iPad OS 14 and many of the game emulators stopped working with 14.4. I recently installed this on my M1 and got a notification that it would not work without jail breaking and I could not get anything to launch. Super disappointed.
@@LazyPCRehab There are workarounds for that, for example there is a "slow edition" called UTM SE that, well, runs VMs slower but perhaps still be usable on an M1 iPad, or there is also a solution that involves a second device to actively give JIT permissions to UTM (regardless of jb status) called Jitterbug, its on the Reddit Jailbreak forum.
I think you should re-do this with the M1 iPad Pro with 16GB RAM. I think that would make for an incredible video. Please try macOS (Big Sur! Native ARM) and also Windows ARM on it (see my previous comment). I think the M1 iPad Pro would have a much better time even emulating x86 because of the M1, but I'd like to see ARM versions as well
You’re expecting them to do something that’s not mediocre? These guys are 1m sub channel. What you’re saying is actually doing it the right way but you can’t expect that out of such a big channel.
All this proves is that macOS running on a iPad pro would be great. Honestly I am posting this from a Surface 8 Pro and while its raw CPU power is nothing compared to the Apple chips it is WAY more functional then iPad. It really shows how much iOS holds the iPad back these days.
in half life, try turning on raw mouse input, on old valve games (pre source) this is a problem. you can also adjust the resolution. (assuming pressing esc doesn't exit the program.)
@@k4rim799 GTA V came out on the ps3 and 360, which were 2 gens ago at this point, so theoretically any good phone from the last few years could run it if it was ported with the same requirements as the ps3 and 360 versions
@@queenbiscuit311 that is incorrect, the arm architecture in phones can never support such a demanding game unless they add a good dedicated gpu and proper cooling system.
@@evenstevensteven cooling system yes, phones already _have_ dedicated GPUs. Most good, newish phone processors are more capable than ps3 and xbox 360s, and even the Nintendo switch. It’s not surprising, that’s hardware from 2005 by now. If GTA can run on an Xbox 360, it can run on a significantly more capable phone. The oculus quest is more powerful than a switch, which is significantly more powerful than a wii u, which is significantly more powerful than last gen consoles. Thats running on a three year old snapdragon 835. The samsung xr2 chips in newer mobile AR and VR devices are even more powerful, and they’re just glorified 865s.
Fun fact: If you have iOS 14-15.1.1 on an M1 iPad, you can use Trollstore to run Windows 10 ARM as an actual virtual machine with good performance (Trollstore lets you get hypervisor access through arbitrary entitlements)
"you would never use editing software on a remote desktop, gross." "So here I'm going to use a maximum of 2GB of RAM" One of these is more limiting than the other...
16:38 you just have to lower the mouse sensitivity in the game settings. Modern mice have a much higher DPI settings and make the mice move faster for less distance in order to get accross high res screens. This game was meant for mice at sub 2000dpi
Or it's because the mouse isn't locked to the VM. The game locks the mouse cursor to the middle of the screen but because the mouse isn't locked to the VM the cursor will still move. It's a bit similar to having really high dpi but it can't be fixed by adjusting it because the mouse movement isn't what the game expects
Running Mac Os X on an iPad is technically in accordance with the Mac Os X terms of service, because it's Apple hardware. (It says you must run it on Apple hardware).
@@malikkelly The terms of service says it has to be on Apple hardware. It doesn't say emulation would invalidate it. In fact Apple supports emulation software like parallels for emulating Mac Os X.
except you cant. vscode cant run on XP or any old OS for that matter. Your best bet is an Android. You can run ubuntu / debian and install vscode on it.
I almost had decided it was a clickbait/Remote Desktop. But still chose to click, it is the first time it was actually something!! May be I try it or don’t but thumbs for giving something real. Man you after all, booted Windows on an iPad!! 🔥
I love how "you certainly couldn't do audio or video work over remote desktop" ended up becoming a thing you can actually do with technology like parsec and moonlight game streaming
Ok, wow, this video is really interesting. Not only it shows how amazing it would be to run a full fledged OS such as MacOS on something the size of an iPad, but it also shows that there is a “community” of people actually interested in something like this. Personally, as a musician, I am able to do everything on my iPad, which I originally bought “just” to read sheet music, and then discovered that it was a fully capable machine that could almost replace my laptop entirely. Sadly, it can’t do that yet because there just isn’t a good enough app for music writing on iPadOS (something like Finale or even Musescore), and that’s the ONLY reason I’m still rocking my old 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro, which is plenty fast enough now that I’ve upgraded it with a modern SSD an 16 GBs of RAM. But let me tell you: the MOMENT Apple releases either some kind of Mac with a touch screen, or MacOS for the iPad... count me in! Awesome video as alwas Quinn, keep up the outstanding work!
Well I use Presonus Notion for IPad for score writing and although it’s most recent update was awkward it still makes good scores and I’ve written symphonies,concertos all sorts on mine over the past few years.
Ok so basically, games will, after reading the cursor position, reset the cursor to the center of the screen. However (I know this from TeamViewer), when the mouse stays where it is when the game tells it to move to the center, the game just thinks on every mouse move that you've moved the mouse as far as before + the amount you've actually moved it now. This it what causes the game to go crazy, because it receives wrong mouse values.
20:58 Those activation servers ARE still online, Leopard just sees your install as iffy as if it were an early hackintosh so some features like that just won't work if you're not on real hardware. Apple is VERY good at keeping their legacy updates and servers online.
never clicked so fast in my life edit: JESUS CHRIST GUYS THIS IS THE MOST LIKES AND REPLIES IVE GOTTEN LMAO, IT TOOK TWO YEARS (and no, I'm not a bot lol) @choxed shameless plug
I plated with the Android emulator for a while which was based on qemu. It was DOG slow. but if you run in on KVM it is fine. qemu usually has a version for kvm. It uses kernel level virtualizations.
On the same screen where you selected the amount of RAM to allocate, there was an option to allocate CPU cores. I'm not sure if it would allow to dedicate more than 1 CPU core to the Virtual Machine
I believe the issue with the mouse on half life is the mouse input for some reason is emulating the touchscreen input which is then emulating a mouse input. The weird camera movement is exactly what happens when I play an fps on my laptop and touch the touchscreen.
no its just the high sens that mouse and trackpad have, they are meant to run on 2000x2000more or less pxels and im shure halflife is running on 640x480 its just like trying to move the mouse in a little angle of your screen almost the same size of your cursor... so I suggest to put the lowest sens possible on the mouse and maybe it could be a bit playable..
@@maximiacovacci that makes no sense, and if that was an issue, it would be a problem on the desktop as well. The issue is that the mouse isn't being captured, directly, it's being moved relatively by the emulator and the game doesn't know how to handle it
Nice one Quinn, this looks like so much fun. On a side note I'm always amazed at how much effort and work goes into something that is just not gonna see a wide user base.
You addressed interesting features especially the UI being workable for MacOS with touchscreen. Currently the best solutions for 2-in-1 are fundamentally SPLITTING FUNCTIONS of tablet and laptop: 1. Native is not possible due to boot-loader locking ie dual-boot is not an option. 2. UTM / iSH is about as close proximation (to date before alt stores launch more openly) to VM so again not 'full solution' though it's possible as above. Offical App Store legislation is against emulation software as main obstacle. This might change in the future with Alt stores as said. 3. Remote Desktop is probably the optimal solution but requires multiple hardware work-around eg desktop/laptop/pi at home to network into and use. Still a very powerful option for solving the 2-in-1 device on Apple products problem and successfully too. Man Mini with iPad seems the perfect combination for cost. Again multiple software solutions exist some of the best seem to be: Screens, Duet, RealVNC to investigate. 4. Cloud PC: Very flexible but costly at present eg MacOS, Win11, Linux (any distro) possible using a variety of solutions.
*You describe the virtual machine thing* "Oh, now I want an iPad" *You describe how AltStore actually works, and how you have to pay Apple to game their system as long as they decide to let you do it* "Oh, now I don't want an iPad anymore, also I want to burn Apple's Headquarters"
Everyone was complaining that MacOS features never came to the M1 iPad. If you have one, you can use this mod to get the latest MacOS on there and even use almost all of its sixteen gigabytes of ram. That way, you get MacOS features on the iPad.
It’s not Debian, but “iSH Shell” can be found in the App Store. It emulates x86_64 Alpine, and to be permitted in the App Store it has a limited package manager, but the full alpine repo can be added (the project’s website explains more)
It's like they don't want my money lol I had to settle on a Surface Pro 8 to get a full desktop on a tablet even though the iPad is better in almost every single way, but the dealbreaker for me is the lack of a decent OS
@@robinrai4973 shoot I'd even settle for Mac OS even though I barely know to use it, I'm willing to figure it out. I just want an iPad with a fully functioning OS, not a slighty better but still crappy phone OS
Unfortunately Apple's ARM chips in iPads don't support hardware virtualization so even when running ARM code it's not running natively like a normal app would. Everything has to go through an application layer (which is why even ARM stuff will be slow)
I have touchscreen fully working from my MacBook Pro using a dell p2418ht monitor and touch base drivers. Multitouch gestures working also, 5 fingers to swipe through desktops etc. will make a video to detail
It is a very unintuitive design to put the back-button on the right, and the continue-button on the left. Many users will, without looking, guess that the left button will cancel the whole thing, or not think at all that the button on the left of all will get you to the next step. What a simple button switch can do. How many people will have entered their address when they did not want to initially, only because of that simple trick. Crazy.
That moment when Mac OS was asking for your address and you didn't bother to read the non default option to continue reminded me of my grandparents lol
I use QEMU to emulate PPC macOS 9.2, 10.0, and 10.3 on my desktop. It seems very familiar to the command line setup, but it uses a GUI to set up. I used the mac99 option too!
Okay let me guess, remote desktop? We'll see :D Edit: local virtualization, i'm pleasantly surprised! Shouldn't have expect anything less of you Quinn :D
@@franzlyonheart4362 I think it's because the software is designed to emulate x86 hardware. If you tried to run Android on a windows computer, your only options are either an Android emulator as an application on top of the core OS, or Android x86, which is redesigned to work natively on the hardware. This is a lot of guesswork on my part, but that's my understanding of it
This was very cool and entertaining to watch! I'll like to see an arm64 Linux VM performance compared to a laptop or a raspberry pi, it'll make a good video and a good insight to future arm virtualization
I hope Apple hear you!!! Mac os on an iPad is the best thing, specially for music producer, DJs, Designer ect , you can take the iPad any where and creat something. And it get even better once you introduce the Ipen. Sometimes Inspirations just kicks in and you have the ipad with you.
"you certainly couldn't do audio or video production over remote desktop" The entire TV and movie post-production industry as of this year disagrees with you. I've been doing that since March and so have most of my colleagues.
I'd still guess most people (needing some extra horsepower for their work) just brought their work computer home with them when the home office period started... I know this can lead to other problems like suddenly it takes ages to send a finished project to the renderfarm since it's now ones own sluggish internet connection separating the work pc from the server instead of a 10GBps (or more) internal company network so there are arguments for both sides depending on ones personal workflow but as far as my subjective experience reaches there are more people valuing their sanity (an unresponsive laggy system is driving ME crazy) over uploadtimes from hell cause you can do this while spending quality time, or sleep and if the uploadtime is maxing out with taking more than 6h just put the project on a hard disk and drive it there yourself or send it by mail (worth it with uploadtimes >24/48h)....
All the mouse issues are due to a fact that the mouse positions to the vm are only ABSOLUTE positions, so they are essentialy where the cursor is, but games require RELATIVE mouse positions, ie how much the mouse moved every frame, so the games try to use the position from the vm but it gets crazy values which result with unusable experience. I haven't figured out how to fix it, but this issue is common with vm's and remote desktop software, especially on android.
‘That’s pretty slow, not the speed of a usable device’. Me: looks at my laptop I use everyday. Me: it’s sort of fine...
I understand you, I had a Lenovo from 2010 that the keyboard, battery and screen didn't work and the HD was dying I used it until months ago when I switched to a new lenovo
oh yes the noise he made was like an plane and he was extremely slow i had to use windows xp for him to have a little more performance
No, upgrade.
WellBeSerious12 What if they don’t have enough money to upgrade or don’t need a fast pc?
Will it ever run a 64bit win 10? Doubt it an x86 has trouble enough emulating arm properly and it can do it reasonably fast but go the other way around and it's really difficult
"Run ANY OS"
Runs XP
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 this is useless because iOS is better than Aindroid
There is not any other os worth it
@@loveiphones4550 ?
@@RodrigoVzq yes no os is perfect!
@@loveiphones4550 no even ios is not perfect same for android no os is perfect
When the covid quarantine started in my country, nostalgia took over me and I felt the need to play counter strike 1.6 online. So I made some video calls with my old school friends to invite them to play.
I installed on my macbook pro, a virtual pc with windows xp, also CS 1.6 and Hamachi (a LAN emulator on devices connected by WAN) and this way I could play with my friends via internet and remember old times of vices in the cybercafe.
I spent days testing multiple programs to create virtual machines, and many windows and CS installations that are stable. Parallels was the ultimate solution.
Your joy in the video testing old systems mounted on modern devices made me remember that happiness of playing again with my friends at a distance. Greetings from Argentina!
1.6 days with friends are memories i will always look back on fondly some of those friends aint around anymore sadly but the memories and fun we had ill forever remember.
“Run any os”
I’ll run iPad os on my iPad
I’m watching this on IPad os
pi this hurt my head,
_hmm_
_yes_
_the floor here is made out of floor_
Prithviraj Das lol
@pi recursive VM torture
If memory is very tight, keep in mind that 32-bit applications and OSes use a *lot* less memory (both storage and RAM) than 64 bit. I bet this is half the reason you got XP running pretty well.
I'm actually impressed that x86 emulation runs that well. Always go native architecture if you can. Would love to see ARM Windows running with this.
That would be neat, but there is a big issue, you're using Windows on ARM.
well yeah, 32 bit systems can only have up to about 4 gigs of ram, so their applications would of course have to be designed to use a conservative amount so that the actual OS can run
@@HearMeLearn This isn't quite right. PAE means that only individual applications are limited to 4GB. The reason 64 bit uses more storage and RAM is that pointers and registers are larger. Basically it uses/wastes more space when storing things.
BTW, big fan, watch TTL all the time! ;-)
@@beauslim You know that's npt linus right?
@@jordanturner97 he is sinus
Please do a follow up with the M1 iPads when you receive them!
With 16 gigs of ram in the 1 and 2 terabyte iPad you could potentially run Mac OS big sur with 4 gigs of ram without over going the 25% barrier and if you have the 2 tb one you could make an modernly sized 1tb disk. And with how ridiculously fast they are, you might just be able to run it close to the performance of the oldest Macs that can run big sur.
Yeah try windows 10 on it
@@davinprasetyo395 windows 10 for ARM could potentially run really well. (As good as windows 10 for ARM is anyway…)
I bet some apple engineer is currently working on cock blocking this in their authentication as I type this.
You get an error message stating that "Your version of iOS does not support running virtual machines". (This is with the current version of iOS).
20:57 Could've just clicked Continue again.
I WAS UNDER SO MUCH PRESSURE LOL
This ^
@@snazzy We all get it, Apple does the whole "we're going to highlight the button for the action we want the user to take."
Can't count how many times I've been in one these popup loops because I wasn't focusing on the text
@@Skandha_ I think the back button has always been blue in every macOS pop-up.
21:45 You know you could’ve just hit Command + Q to skip all of this.
yeah but this is cool too
That's pretty awful user experience for new users
David Shlemayev he’s been using macs for a long time. I think he should know better. That’s my opinion though.
@@ORIOLESFan02 modifier keys are probably not taken by the VM, so hitting command + q might just result in closing the app in the host system. Just my guess.
Bill Z. That’s not true. I have an iPad with a keyboard case and when I hit Command + Q, it doesn’t force close the app on my iPad
The weird thing happening in half life with the mouse is due to the lack of pointer capture/relative pointer movement in the ipados apis. See it as if the pointer is glued to the center of the screen by a soft glue, any movement in any direction will be captured, but when the movement stops, the pointer returns to the centre of the screen. If the game expects that "glue" to be there, but it isn't, it'll just rotate the camera forever in the direction the mouse pointer is located on the screen relative to the centre where it was supposed to return. Hope this makes sense.
"Run any os on iPad or iPhone"
Estimated battery life left: 15 minutes
u dont need stove though,
Honestly I tried running Windows 10 with the app mentioned in the video, the battery life was really great definitely over a few hours with battery.
Darren Wang really cool
Darren Wang did it run smoothly?
Aren't we funny
The mouse issues in Half Life are because the mouse appears to be using absolute mouse input vs relative mouse input. In other words, absolute gives exact coordinates of where the cursor is on the screen, vs relative (which is what you want for games) just gives the difference in the cursor position, i.e. +1 up, +1 right etc. There might be a way to correct that in UTM, but it's an issue in RDP as well.
I have the same problem trying to play Daggerfall in iDOS
These videos are a service.. It makes me realise that things I think would be fun to do.. are really only fun to watch someone else do.
Amen to that!
This applies to virtually almost every extracurricular activity you can think of. Even when you look at somebody gardening or baking something delicious and then you try to do it yourself and you realize that unless you do it for 5-10 years it’s going to suck/not worth the hassle. Or even if you’re an expert right away the amount of work needed it’s not worth the reward even though it looked like it when you were watching somebody do it.
Snazz: *Running Android 4.0 on an Ipad*
Apple: wait, that's illegal
ILLLLEGALLL
Quinn: “For legal reasons that’s a joke”
I like the Enthusiasm of this guy with Apple products and how he always find hidden cool tricks to do with them
Which is very difficult actually
I too commend him especially when they epically fail in the process.
Me too
I feel like a lot of Macintosh users have love/hate relationship towards Apple and the only reason we are still on Mac is out of spite.
Like. "Oh Apple, you are trying to prevent me from doing this specific thing I want. Well, I will do it anyway. Watch me".
I love MacOSX, I don't like Apple. I don't think that is really unusual in Macintosh community.
when a verified you tuber comes:
😲
“I run a large business of over 500 employees”
“Also I’m retired”
Yes
Yeah
Yep
YAS
yes
Honestly never expected seeing Windows XP on an iPad Pro
@Hand Grabbing Fruits how do you think did he get verified?
I saw one running Windows 95 on an Apple Watch. :-)
I actually ran a Windows XP VM on my iPad mini 2 a few years back with a VM app from cydia (don’t remember its name). Surprisingly worked really well
ever seen an apple watch run windows?
@@justanobody2347 oh wow i remember that
The problem with the mouse is a current issue regarding touchscreen. When creating a first person 3D game, the cursor is warped to the center of the screen and the motion is based on the distance from the center each frame. However, a touchscreen cannot warp the mouse position, because the user presses the screen to activate it.
I can't tell which is more impressive
The fact he's running Windows on iPad OS, or the fact he's running XP with a 15 GB storage volume
XP is only1.5 Gigs, you could install it on a 4 Gig volume.
15gb is plenty for XP dude
"you certainly couldn't do audio or video production over remote desktop"
I worked in a design agency that had such awful computers that I used to do most work remotely in my computer at home
What an absolute legend
You gotta redo this video with the 16gb m1 ipad pro this time. Please man.
Yes
You have to jailbreak the newer iPads, I believe this was killed when they switched to iPad OS 14 and many of the game emulators stopped working with 14.4. I recently installed this on my M1 and got a notification that it would not work without jail breaking and I could not get anything to launch. Super disappointed.
iOS apps have a hard cap of 5gb RAM anyway, you can't use more than that.
@@LazyPCRehab There are workarounds for that, for example there is a "slow edition" called UTM SE that, well, runs VMs slower but perhaps still be usable on an M1 iPad, or there is also a solution that involves a second device to actively give JIT permissions to UTM (regardless of jb status) called Jitterbug, its on the Reddit Jailbreak forum.
@@SD-xl2lb SE wouldn't boot the VM for me.
i love the way you could clearly see how much fun quinn was having when he started half-life
11:07 Hey Quinn could you tell Nate Wixom from the COD CREW that we said "sup" back 😌
He says hi. 😉
@@snazzy what a gentleman indeed 😳
I think it is appropriate to throw in the line: "Oh hi Mark!"
I think you should re-do this with the M1 iPad Pro with 16GB RAM. I think that would make for an incredible video. Please try macOS (Big Sur! Native ARM) and also Windows ARM on it (see my previous comment). I think the M1 iPad Pro would have a much better time even emulating x86 because of the M1, but I'd like to see ARM versions as well
This
You’re expecting them to do something that’s not mediocre? These guys are 1m sub channel. What you’re saying is actually doing it the right way but you can’t expect that out of such a big channel.
If you hackmac the M1 iPad and run Logic on it, my dreams will come true
The M1 iPad Pro have 16GB ram?
@@AsianFlex the 1tb and 2tb models do.
Half Life running was the coolest thing Ive seen in a long while.
Brilliant. I love these sort of hyper-specific videos looking into a fun little corner of tech, and you deliver them excellently
All this proves is that macOS running on a iPad pro would be great. Honestly I am posting this from a Surface 8 Pro and while its raw CPU power is nothing compared to the Apple chips it is WAY more functional then iPad. It really shows how much iOS holds the iPad back these days.
in half life, try turning on raw mouse input, on old valve games (pre source) this is a problem. you can also adjust the resolution. (assuming pressing esc doesn't exit the program.)
The input lag is most likely caused by the software being too slow to track movement and emulate it in the VM in real-time
Stylus is primary touch input for Hackbook
Steve Jobs: *Furious
Steve Jobs: Dead :(
2050: Today we will play gta v on my $100 phone
Comrade Mapping
I bet this will be possible in 10 years
@@k4rim799 GTA V came out on the ps3 and 360, which were 2 gens ago at this point, so theoretically any good phone from the last few years could run it if it was ported with the same requirements as the ps3 and 360 versions
@@queenbiscuit311 If the game is imported...I will buy a iphone 12 to run it🤣
@@queenbiscuit311 that is incorrect, the arm architecture in phones can never support such a demanding game unless they add a good dedicated gpu and proper cooling system.
@@evenstevensteven cooling system yes, phones already _have_ dedicated GPUs. Most good, newish phone processors are more capable than ps3 and xbox 360s, and even the Nintendo switch. It’s not surprising, that’s hardware from 2005 by now. If GTA can run on an Xbox 360, it can run on a significantly more capable phone. The oculus quest is more powerful than a switch, which is significantly more powerful than a wii u, which is significantly more powerful than last gen consoles. Thats running on a three year old snapdragon 835. The samsung xr2 chips in newer mobile AR and VR devices are even more powerful, and they’re just glorified 865s.
Running Windows on an IPan is really Snazzy!
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 this is useless because iOS is better than Aindroid
Love iPhone's if you reply to me can you please use more emojis?
@@loveiphones4550 As an apple user, I'm offended you exist
get off your high horse
@@NonsensicalSpudz 🤡🤡🤡 Scam aindroid Spy You don't really use Apple 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@loveiphones4550 aindroid?
“I can tap that no problem” - Quinn Nelson
no
no
no
‘“‘I can tap that no problem” - Quinn Nelson” - Danny Winget” - Hand Grabbing Fruits
No
Fun fact: If you have iOS 14-15.1.1 on an M1 iPad, you can use Trollstore to run Windows 10 ARM as an actual virtual machine with good performance (Trollstore lets you get hypervisor access through arbitrary entitlements)
"you would never use editing software on a remote desktop, gross."
"So here I'm going to use a maximum of 2GB of RAM"
One of these is more limiting than the other...
I would go with the 2 GB RAM option since I literally used to edit videos on 1.5 GB RAM
But that would require a MacBook
Premiere cs2 works fine with 2gb ram sooooo.... yeah no to Remote Desktop
i’ve done it before and i gotta way it isn’t that bad.
yeah, but windows xp doesn’t even need 2
16:38 you just have to lower the mouse sensitivity in the game settings. Modern mice have a much higher DPI settings and make the mice move faster for less distance in order to get accross high res screens. This game was meant for mice at sub 2000dpi
Or it's because the mouse isn't locked to the VM. The game locks the mouse cursor to the middle of the screen but because the mouse isn't locked to the VM the cursor will still move. It's a bit similar to having really high dpi but it can't be fixed by adjusting it because the mouse movement isn't what the game expects
I'm just impressed that Half-Life even works on XP and other NT operating systems as well as it does.
it's QEMU's USB tablet (it's mouse)
“Ok! MacOS is-“
*Smoke starts coming out of iPad Pro*
if that would have happened to me i wouldve died of a heart attack before any chips in the ipad get fried
@@x3dwany371 yummy fried chips well its not edible :((((
@@janiceispog he means internal chips
The emulated Windows XP is faster than my school's XP machines, probably combined together.
Oh boy, so much progress in so little time, wonderful.
Running Mac Os X on an iPad is technically in accordance with the Mac Os X terms of service, because it's Apple hardware. (It says you must run it on Apple hardware).
Jacob Martin But running the émulation software is not
@@malikkelly The terms of service says it has to be on Apple hardware. It doesn't say emulation would invalidate it. In fact Apple supports emulation software like parallels for emulating Mac Os X.
@@JakeSDN sorry but Apple simply won't allow macos vms. If that was the case, mac cloud would be so much more convenient and cheaper
@@shiskeyoffles I am not saying they will allow it on not Apple hardware, I am just saying it is technically within terms of service.
@@shiskeyoffles maybe they don’t “allow Mac vms” on non apple hardware however Jacob Is correct running Mac OS on the iPad doesn’t violate tos
Please create a video "Run any operating system on your iPad or iPhone" part 2, with the new iPad Pro with M1.
I managed to barely run windows 7 starter edition on an iPad mini 5th gen
It works but barely
C M why not
Quarantine boredom makes stuff like that entertaining
That’s ok. My old actual laptop could barely run windows vista
I have an iPad Mini 5 also best and newest OS can run on this iPad kinda smoothly is Windows XP it works really good for me
How much ram did you get working
Lucas Zhu VM ofc
I don’t think it’s possible to run natively on a hardware level
This is actually pretty useful for my as I am a coder so running vscode on ipad will be so damn cool
except you cant. vscode cant run on XP or any old OS for that matter. Your best bet is an Android. You can run ubuntu / debian and install vscode on it.
@@yokowasis or you could install ubuntu on the ipad
Xubuntu is probably your best bet in that scenario
@@yokowasis Windows 7 would run in theory, but really slow
Arch is running extremely well. I didn't get into it cause the video was long and we thought it a bit too nerdy but that's an option!
I almost had decided it was a clickbait/Remote Desktop. But still chose to click, it is the first time it was actually something!! May be I try it or don’t but thumbs for giving something real. Man you after all, booted Windows on an iPad!! 🔥
Microsoft: make tablet based on windows xp
The tablet: crap
Apple: "Let's make the one that does not crap
iPad: *imma turn to xp*
Apple:NOOOOOOOO
@@walker4541 ruined the jokr
I can see it now
"Apple execs HATE this INCREDIBLE hack!"
I love how "you certainly couldn't do audio or video work over remote desktop" ended up becoming a thing you can actually do with technology like parsec and moonlight game streaming
21:48 "What explains what I do? I'm retired" That made me crack up lololol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok, wow, this video is really interesting. Not only it shows how amazing it would be to run a full fledged OS such as MacOS on something the size of an iPad, but it also shows that there is a “community” of people actually interested in something like this.
Personally, as a musician, I am able to do everything on my iPad, which I originally bought “just” to read sheet music, and then discovered that it was a fully capable machine that could almost replace my laptop entirely. Sadly, it can’t do that yet because there just isn’t a good enough app for music writing on iPadOS (something like Finale or even Musescore), and that’s the ONLY reason I’m still rocking my old 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro, which is plenty fast enough now that I’ve upgraded it with a modern SSD an 16 GBs of RAM.
But let me tell you: the MOMENT Apple releases either some kind of Mac with a touch screen, or MacOS for the iPad... count me in!
Awesome video as alwas Quinn, keep up the outstanding work!
Well I use Presonus Notion for IPad for score writing and although it’s most recent update was awkward it still makes good scores and I’ve written symphonies,concertos all sorts on mine over the past few years.
Ok so basically, games will, after reading the cursor position, reset the cursor to the center of the screen. However (I know this from TeamViewer), when the mouse stays where it is when the game tells it to move to the center, the game just thinks on every mouse move that you've moved the mouse as far as before + the amount you've actually moved it now. This it what causes the game to go crazy, because it receives wrong mouse values.
This is actually AMAZING so psyched to get Linux and try some other random crap
Yeah it is, I'm not an iPad user but I've been using similar apps for Android for a while.
20:58 Those activation servers ARE still online, Leopard just sees your install as iffy as if it were an early hackintosh so some features like that just won't work if you're not on real hardware. Apple is VERY good at keeping their legacy updates and servers online.
Woah that’s cool
I updated macOS x tiger in 2021, i can tell their good at running their old stuff well
never clicked so fast in my life
edit: JESUS CHRIST GUYS THIS IS THE MOST LIKES AND REPLIES IVE GOTTEN LMAO, IT TOOK TWO YEARS (and no, I'm not a bot lol)
@choxed shameless plug
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 this is useless because iOS is better than Aindroid
Same
@@loveiphones4550 how so?
@@Noah-or5gr Android is very useless and slow 🐢🐢🐢
Ok
I plated with the Android emulator for a while which was based on qemu. It was DOG slow. but if you run in on KVM it is fine. qemu usually has a version for kvm. It uses kernel level virtualizations.
On the same screen where you selected the amount of RAM to allocate, there was an option to allocate CPU cores. I'm not sure if it would allow to dedicate more than 1 CPU core to the Virtual Machine
MacOS on the 'Not a Computer' HELL YES
The fact you got most of these OS running on a iPad is impressive ❤️
I believe the issue with the mouse on half life is the mouse input for some reason is emulating the touchscreen input which is then emulating a mouse input. The weird camera movement is exactly what happens when I play an fps on my laptop and touch the touchscreen.
no its just the high sens that mouse and trackpad have, they are meant to run on 2000x2000more or less pxels and im shure halflife is running on 640x480 its just like trying to move the mouse in a little angle of your screen almost the same size of your cursor... so I suggest to put the lowest sens possible on the mouse and maybe it could be a bit playable..
@@maximiacovacci that makes no sense, and if that was an issue, it would be a problem on the desktop as well.
The issue is that the mouse isn't being captured, directly, it's being moved relatively by the emulator and the game doesn't know how to handle it
Nice one Quinn, this looks like so much fun. On a side note I'm always amazed at how much effort and work goes into something that is just not gonna see a wide user base.
You addressed interesting features especially the UI being workable for MacOS with touchscreen.
Currently the best solutions for 2-in-1 are fundamentally SPLITTING FUNCTIONS of tablet and laptop:
1. Native is not possible due to boot-loader locking ie dual-boot is not an option.
2. UTM / iSH is about as close proximation (to date before alt stores launch more openly) to VM so again not 'full solution' though it's possible as above. Offical App Store legislation is against emulation software as main obstacle. This might change in the future with Alt stores as said.
3. Remote Desktop is probably the optimal solution but requires multiple hardware work-around eg desktop/laptop/pi at home to network into and use. Still a very powerful option for solving the 2-in-1 device on Apple products problem and successfully too. Man Mini with iPad seems the perfect combination for cost. Again multiple software solutions exist some of the best seem to be: Screens, Duet, RealVNC to investigate.
4. Cloud PC: Very flexible but costly at present eg MacOS, Win11, Linux (any distro) possible using a variety of solutions.
*You describe the virtual machine thing*
"Oh, now I want an iPad"
*You describe how AltStore actually works, and how you have to pay Apple to game their system as long as they decide to let you do it*
"Oh, now I don't want an iPad anymore, also I want to burn Apple's Headquarters"
I mean tbf I use alt store to use RUclips vanced on my Ipad works fine, just have to connect it the the same wifi as my laptop every week.
Altstore is free though
@@pumpkin_314 But not having to renew it every week costs money.
You could install Windows XP tablet PC edition so you can use touch support
Everyone was complaining that MacOS features never came to the M1 iPad. If you have one, you can use this mod to get the latest MacOS on there and even use almost all of its sixteen gigabytes of ram. That way, you get MacOS features on the iPad.
I would've loved to see Debian run. You teased us with it being on the UTM menu and all!
Felipe Flores exactly and also the only OS that can run just fine on 2gb of ram lol
It’s not Debian, but “iSH Shell” can be found in the App Store. It emulates x86_64 Alpine, and to be permitted in the App Store it has a limited package manager, but the full alpine repo can be added (the project’s website explains more)
The Modbook was primarily meant for artists who wanted a mobile option for their Mac+Cintiq workflow; for the time it was pretty amazing.
Just WHY do you need a computer to do this??? I Want to do this because I HAVE no computer.
UTM with JIT needs a computer. UTM SE is on the app store.
@@GGamer11247 this is 3 years ago
1:21 Whoops! You accidentally turned it on.
Probably not accidental
@@killrproductions7411 Nope. Not r/whooosh
@@killrproductions7411 this is not the right time to use it, I'm sorry
I felt nostalgic seeing XP and osx leopard. Those were the days
Boggles my mind how they still haven't just made a touch screen Mac when they make the most competent tablets running pretty much the same hardware
It's like they don't want my money lol I had to settle on a Surface Pro 8 to get a full desktop on a tablet even though the iPad is better in almost every single way, but the dealbreaker for me is the lack of a decent OS
@@Contra_1776 deadass 100%! Just give me an iPad with windows or something lol
@@robinrai4973 shoot I'd even settle for Mac OS even though I barely know to use it, I'm willing to figure it out. I just want an iPad with a fully functioning OS, not a slighty better but still crappy phone OS
Hey, I wanted to see how that Debian goes! At least it's ARM so even if there's no hypervisor it should be faster, right?
Unfortunately Apple's ARM chips in iPads don't support hardware virtualization so even when running ARM code it's not running natively like a normal app would. Everything has to go through an application layer (which is why even ARM stuff will be slow)
@@bpfuels even if it's not native it will be probably be much faster than windows and macos
Exactly my first thought is UTM. Though the emulator isn’t highly optimise I suggest running arm linux.
I have touchscreen fully working from my MacBook Pro using a dell p2418ht monitor and touch base drivers. Multitouch gestures working also, 5 fingers to swipe through desktops etc. will make a video to detail
Apple watching this:
Interesting.
20:58 could have just clicked continue if you bothered to read the prompt lmao
THANK YOU! made me so mad! Also, selects 900mhz PowerPC instead of X86 emulation and complaints that it is slow.
It is a very unintuitive design to put the back-button on the right, and the continue-button on the left. Many users will, without looking, guess that the left button will cancel the whole thing, or not think at all that the button on the left of all will get you to the next step.
What a simple button switch can do. How many people will have entered their address when they did not want to initially, only because of that simple trick. Crazy.
That moment when Mac OS was asking for your address and you didn't bother to read the non default option to continue reminded me of my grandparents lol
I was screaming “Just hit continue!”.
Let's all take a minute to appreciate the grand Seiko on his wrist 😱😱😱😱
iamblackjebus good eyes my friend
yeah damn that's nice
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That's so cool! These kinda things fly under the radar unless you really look for them
The production quality on this video is amazing! What are you doing differently?
(not that it wasn't before...)
We pulled the cam off the tripod and went handheld with a lavalier mic to make it a little more personal! :D
Snazzy Labs I think it’s also the lighting and change of scenery. On point 👌
I use QEMU to emulate PPC macOS 9.2, 10.0, and 10.3 on my desktop. It seems very familiar to the command line setup, but it uses a GUI to set up. I used the mac99 option too!
Android user: Lol u can’t open apk files!
Windows user: Lol u can’t open exe files!
Apple user: oh really?
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LOL
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Android and Windows can emulate other os too
@Alken Rey Bagares Yea... I run a win XP VM on a win 10 VM and the win 10 VM on MacOS... just to waste some power...
So you chose a whole different thumbnail 😅
I don't even like Apple products, but I like how you do your videos enough to keep clicking on them!
4:22
So, basically Sidequest (for the Oculus Quest) on iOS instead.
yes, both are called sideloading
Hey SnazzyQ, Pro Tip: To skip the registration window on a old MacOSX installer, just press CMD-Q to quit that part.
You should do an update video to this with the upcoming m1 chip ipad
got patched or something
Your quality of content has been great recently and on top of that increasingly clear, keep this up really liking it.
Okay let me guess, remote desktop? We'll see :D
Edit: local virtualization, i'm pleasantly surprised! Shouldn't have expect anything less of you Quinn :D
- Run a large Business with 500+ employees
- Also retired
"I have this strange feeling that Android was never intended to run on an iPad..." un-huh
But why Android x86? Sounds like Sheeple reaction. I use iPad iPhone iMac myself, but this smells very Appletardish. Why not Android ARM native?
@@franzlyonheart4362 I think it's because the software is designed to emulate x86 hardware. If you tried to run Android on a windows computer, your only options are either an Android emulator as an application on top of the core OS, or Android x86, which is redesigned to work natively on the hardware. This is a lot of guesswork on my part, but that's my understanding of it
@@julianlee4227 No you can select the environment. In the end he also settled for Mac OSX on a Power PC Plattform.
This is why I got a Microsoft Surface. A real OG touchpad! :)
Could you revisit this on the M1 iPad Pro with 16 GB Ram. I would love to see how it would run now that Mac OS supports ARM architecture.
Your window xp is even faster than my pc. 🤣
This was very cool and entertaining to watch! I'll like to see an arm64 Linux VM performance compared to a laptop or a raspberry pi, it'll make a good video and a good insight to future arm virtualization
yeah.. do a follow up with the M1 IPAD pro.. and yeah a windows 10 arm install would be cool to see !! Great video though!
I hope Apple hear you!!! Mac os on an iPad is the best thing, specially for music producer, DJs, Designer ect , you can take the iPad any where and creat something. And it get even better once you introduce the Ipen. Sometimes Inspirations just kicks in and you have the ipad with you.
"you certainly couldn't do audio or video production over remote desktop"
The entire TV and movie post-production industry as of this year disagrees with you. I've been doing that since March and so have most of my colleagues.
I'd still guess most people (needing some extra horsepower for their work) just brought their work computer home with them when the home office period started...
I know this can lead to other problems like suddenly it takes ages to send a finished project to the renderfarm since it's now ones own sluggish internet connection separating the work pc from the server instead of a 10GBps (or more) internal company network so there are arguments for both sides depending on ones personal workflow but as far as my subjective experience reaches there are more people valuing their sanity (an unresponsive laggy system is driving ME crazy) over uploadtimes from hell cause you can do this while spending quality time, or sleep and if the uploadtime is maxing out with taking more than 6h just put the project on a hard disk and drive it there yourself or send it by mail (worth it with uploadtimes >24/48h)....
Finally someone who actually covered wtf I been tryna do
@7:21 when he said “iOS would just kill the app” what I saw flash before my eyes was iOS stabbing the app and yelling “DIE! DIE!! DIE!!!” 🗡 😂
Oh man I remember that modbook! I wanted it so much when I was 15!
a min and half in and SUBD great quality production man
Just download more ram! Dealing with noobs here
All the mouse issues are due to a fact that the mouse positions to the vm are only ABSOLUTE positions, so they are essentialy where the cursor is, but games require RELATIVE mouse positions, ie how much the mouse moved every frame, so the games try to use the position from the vm but it gets crazy values which result with unusable experience. I haven't figured out how to fix it, but this issue is common with vm's and remote desktop software, especially on android.
Wathing this after M4 ipad pros were launched. I hope quin could do this again in 2024
21:03 There is a "Continue" button next to "Go Back"
I was looking for this comment.